From: UUCP%"henderson@esvax.hamavnet.com" 25-FEB-1991 12:42:03.39 To: jeh@simpact CC: Subj: Here's what I promised From esvax.hamavnet.com!henderson Mon, 25 Feb 91 12:40:23 PST remote from hamavnet Received: from hamavnet by dcs.simpact.com (DECUS UUCP ///1.3-1/2.5/); Mon, 25 Feb 91 12:41:58 PST Received: by esvax.hamavnet.com (DECUS UUCP ///1.2a/2.5/); Mon, 25 Feb 91 12:40:23 PST Date: Mon, 25 Feb 91 12:40:23 PST Message-Id: <00944C265F066560.242001FF@esvax.hamavnet.com> From: "Javier Henderson - TMS Group" Subject: Here's what I promised To: jeh@simpact Jamie, Below is a series of messages about connecting a machine directly to the Internet. I thought this information would be of interest to some DECUS UUCP users. I also have all the RFC documents. Do you want all of those? There's TONS of them, literally. Let me know. Javier henderson@esvax.hamavnet.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: UUCP%"elroy!uunet.uu.net!ebersman" 13-NOV-1990 13:14:16.78 To: hamavnet.com!henderson (Javier Henderson) CC: Subj: Re: Direct connection to Internet From uunet.uu.net!ebersman Tue Nov 13 12:51:23 1990 remote from elroy Received: from elroy by hamavnet.com (DECUS UUCP ///1.2a/2.5/); Tue, 13 Nov 90 13:14:14 PST Received: from uunet.uu.net by elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXR) id AA21490; Tue, 13 Nov 90 12:51:23 PST Received: by uunet.uu.net (5.61/1.14) id AA17911; Tue, 13 Nov 90 15:51:11 -0500 From: elroy!uunet.uu.net!ebersman (Paul Ebersman) Message-Id: <9011132051.AA17911@uunet.uu.net> Subject: Re: Direct connection to Internet To: hamavnet.com!henderson (Javier Henderson) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 90 15:51:10 EST Organization: UUNET Communications, Falls Church, VA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL6] >From mimsy!ames!elroy!hamavnet!hamavnet.com!henderson Fri Nov 9 18:16:19 1990 > Received: from mimsy.UUCP by uunet.uu.net (5.61/1.14) with UUCP > id AA04857; Fri, 9 Nov 90 18:16:17 -0500 > Received: by mimsy.UMD.EDU (smail2.5) > id AA13129; 9 Nov 90 18:15:56 EST (Fri) > Received: by ames.arc.nasa.gov (5.64/1.2); Fri, 9 Nov 90 15:15:13 -0800 > Received: from hamavnet.UUCP by elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXR) > id AA00105; Fri, 9 Nov 90 15:05:02 PST > Received: by hamavnet.com (DECUS UUCP ///1.2a/2.5/); > Fri, 9 Nov 90 14:06:45 PST > Date: Fri, 9 Nov 90 14:06:45 PST > Message-Id: <0093F7548B13A360.232001B7@hamavnet.com> > From: "Javier Henderson" > Subject: Direct connection to Internet > Apparently-To: ames!mimsy!uunet!jeannie > Status: OR > > To: jeannie@uunet.uu.net > X-VMS-Mail-CC: henderson > > Hi there, > > I am not sure if I am asking the right person, but if I'm not maybe you can > direct me to the right direction. > > I'm trying to find out how to get one of our machines to be connected directly > to the Internet. Do you have any information on what is involved, as far as > paperwork, fees, etc.? > > Thanks in advance, > > Javier Henderson > henderson@hamavnet.com > > Here is the information on our Alternet service. If you have any questions, please call or email to me. -- Paul A. Ebersman @ UUNET Communications uunet!ebersman or ebersman@uunet.uu.net The difference between theory and practice in practice is greater than the difference between theory and practice in theory. -- AlterNet IP Networking for the rest of us Projects in high-speed computer internetworking, such as the ARPANET (sponsored by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) and NSFNET (sponsored by the National Science Foundation) have shown that benefits such as increased productivity, coopera- tion, and cost savings result from the increased interaction and collaboration made possible by researchers using the largely Federally funded Internet. The objective of AlterNet is to make these benefits available to the community at large. Because much of the cost of running the Internet is subsi- dized by government grants, Internet use is restricted to organi- zations doing government sponsored or approved research and development. AlterNet receives no government funding, so can al- low commercial use of its network. A typical customer could use AlterNet to connect its engineering facility in California to its European sales office in Amsterdam, NL. A 56 kbps connection between these two sites would cost under $3,500 per month. This is the all-inclusive price and there are no hidden charges such as packets or kilocharacters. For comparison, running IP over an X.25 Public Data Network connection would cost $4,000 per month for only 9.6 kbps (1/6 the speed), plus there would be an additional charge for each kilosegment sent. For even medium volumes, this is prohibitively expensive. A similar AlterNet 56 kbps connection only between Mountain View, CA, and Washington, DC, would cost under $2,500 per month. For small to medium sized corporations who want their own corporate network but cannot afford the costs of installing their own dedicated lines, AlterNet can frequently provide a cost ef- fective alternative. AlterNet's cost savings are achieved through shared usage of the basic infrastructure. For all but the most demanding applications, this sharing provides equivalent perfor- mance at significantly reduced costs. 56 kbps AlterNet service is priced at $1,000 per month plus the telephone company's charge for connection to AlterNet's local hub. 9.6 kbps service is of- fered as inexpensively as $250 per month (in limited areas). AlterNet is not limited to commercial organizations and is available to any interested organizations, including educational institutions and non-profit corporations. For those organizations who meet the appropriate use qualifications and who have the proper government authorizations, Internet access can be provided at no extra charge. UUNET is offering full service. E.g., we will maintain name servers for you (if you wish). Support is currently offered from 8:00 a.m. - midnight Monday to Friday, with people on call 24 hours, 7 days per week. The network consists of a backbone of cisco routers connect- ed via lines ranging from 512 kbps to 1.536 mbps in speed. To connect at 56 kbps or faster, a cisco router must be placed at your location. Slower speeds may not require this hardware. AlterNet charges consist of one time costs and recurring costs. There are two one-time costs. You must purchase the equipment necessary for your end (we can sell you all the equip- ment or you can buy it yourself). There is a one-time startup fee to UUNET to recover some of the costs of the backbone equip- ment. Lastly, there is the recurring monthly usage charge. You are also responsible for the local line costs from your facility to the hub site where you connect. AlterNet Cost Summary Line Speed T1 T1-LV 56k 19.2k 9.6k 9.6k SLIP Monthly AlterNet Charges $2,500 $1,000 $1,000 $ 750 $ 500 $ 250 Monthly Telco Charges $ 750 $ 750 $ 500 $ 130 $ 130 $ 130 Initial Hardware $8,500 $8,500 $6,000 $7,200 $5,750 $ 750 Startup Charge $5,000 $5,000 $2,000 $4,000 $2,250 $2,000 or Monthly Lease $1,000 $1,000 $1,000 $ 500 $ 500 $ 250 9.6k SLIP connectivity uses the Serial Line IP protocol to provide a low cost IP connection using a computer that supports SLIP (e.g. Sun, Pyramid, DEC). The only additional hardware re- quired is a V.32 modem. SLIP access may be either via a leased line or dedicated dialup modem. T1-LV (Low Volume) is a special rate to encourage those sites who only need the capacity of a 56 kbps line to connect at T1. This gives them benefits such as lower latency at only slightly higher cost. Sites requiring higher bandwidth than used by 56 kbps sites will be required to pay the higher T1 rate. Initial Hardware costs cover the equipment you need to pur- chase for your site. These are typically cisco routers and the appropriate modems or DSU/CSUs. Startup charges cover the hardware necessary for your connection at the AlterNet facility. The hardware purchased for the AlterNet facility remains UUNET's property. For those companies who prefer to spread out the ini- tial costs, we can provide all necessary equipment for both ends of the connection for the listed Monthly Lease fee. AlterNet Charges are monthly fees payable to UUNET for net- work management and other services. Telco Charges is the cost of a typical link from your facility to the nearest AlterNet hub. This charge may differ considerably from our examples. Contact your local phone company for a more reliable price. Listed speeds are for the connection to the AlterNet hub and do not represent guarantees of end-to-end bandwidth. Currently operational hubs are located in Falls Church, VA (Washington, DC metro area); Mountain View, CA; Portland, OR; Boston, MA; Amsterdam, The Netherlands; and Dortmund, West Germany. Other locations are being added and other cooperative agreements with international networking providers are in progress. (European access is provided by EUnet through a cooperative agreement with UUNET Communications Services.) UUNET Communications Services 3110 Fairview Park Drive, Suite 570 Falls Church, VA 22042 +1 703 876 5050 (voice) +1 703 876 5059 (fax) info@uunet.uu.net AlterNet is a trademark of UUNET Communications Services, Inc. UUNET is a trademark of UUNET Communications Services, Inc. 900521 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: UUCP%"elroy!venera.isi.edu!westine" 13-NOV-1990 21:07:40.92 To: "Javier Henderson - Engineering Services" CC: Subj: Re: Internet access From venera.isi.edu!westine Tue Nov 13 16:55:31 1990 remote from elroy Received: from elroy by hamavnet.com (DECUS UUCP ///1.2a/2.5/); Tue, 13 Nov 90 21:07:37 PST Received: from venera.isi.edu by elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXR) id AA00725; Tue, 13 Nov 90 16:55:31 PST Posted-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 90 16:55:18 PST Message-Id: <9011140055.AA06954@venera.isi.edu> Received: from LOCALHOST by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local) id ; Tue, 13 Nov 90 16:55:21 -0800 To: "Javier Henderson - Engineering Services" Reply-To: elroy!venera.isi.edu!westine Subject: Re: Internet access In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 12 Nov 90 15:14:16 -0800. <0093F9B978C663C0.22E024C5@hamavnet.com> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 90 16:55:18 PST From: Ann Westine Javier, > I was given your name by a person at the Arizona State University. > > Basically, I am trying to find a way for the company that I work for >to connect to the Internet. > > Any information on this topic would be appreciated. There are several ways you can go. I will send you the Los Nettos information in this message, and in another message I will send you information on the US Domain. Regards, Ann The Los Nettos Story -------------------- In early 1988 it became obvious that circumstances in the world of IP/TCP networking had changed due to changes in technical, economic, policy, and political factors. It became necessary to create regional networks to provide connectivity between individual campuses and research centers in an area and to provide connections to long haul networks for all the campuses and centers in that area. With cooperation and encouragement from DARPA/ISTO, and the support of Charles Seitz of Caltech, Leonard Kleinrock of UCLA, and Richard Kaplan of USC, Danny Cohen and Jon Postel of ISI formed a Los Angeles area network to provide the connectivity as a regional level between the campus level and the national level. The commitments to create the network were made in June 1988, and operation began in November 1988. Los Nettos is that regional network. Los Nettos connects to several long haul and national networks using the IP/TCP protocols. Los Nettos is a part of the Internet which is an interconnected set of over 1,000 networks and over 200,000 host computers using the TCP/IP protocol suite. One important feature of Los Nettos is that it is "high speed", all connections and links are at least T1 (1.5 Mb/s) capacity. This provides a very low-delay, high-throughput service suitable for large data transfers, or for very interactive applications. It is intended that Los Nettos always provide a very high quality service. Los Nettos is operated by the member organizations, not by DARPA, or NSF, or DOE, etc. It may be used for any educational, research, or other purpose. The use of the long-haul (or other) networks reached via Los Nettos must follow the policies of the providers of those long-haul (or other) networks. The member organizations are universities and research laboratories. The cooperating organizations are represented on a board of directors to set the rules for membership and approve the budget. ISI is the agent for Los Nettos and handles the details of purchasing and installing equipment, collecting the funds and paying the bills. ISI also monitors the network performance and does trouble shooting as necessary. The current estimate for the costs is a one time $25,000 set up cost and $25,000 per year continuing costs. The set up cost effectively pays for a gateway and the installation costs for one T1 line. The annual costs effectively pays for one organizations share of the monthly cost of the T1 lines and maintenance. The network became operational with five sites in late 1988. Eleven organizations are now participating in this network (ISI, USC, Caltech, UCLA, TIS, JPL, RAND, TRW, UNISYS, and NOSC). Additional research centers have discussed joining Los Nettos. For further information on Los Nettos please contact Ann Westine (Westine@ISI.EDU or 213-822-1511). ========================================================================= ISI Los Nettos Associates ------------------------- The University of Southern California (USC) Information Sciences Institute (ISI) has established the "ISI Los Nettos Associates" program to provide a lower cost alternative to full Los Nettos membership for those organization requiring Internet connectivity yet not requiring the full capabilities of Los Nettos membership. The purpose of Los Nettos is to provide a high-speed, low-delay, computer communication network among the key computer science research centers in the Los Angeles area. Especially of interest is research on highly interactive remote applications. In addition, Los Nettos supports all traditional and innovative uses of computer networks between all members. Traditional uses of computer networks including electronic mail, remote terminal access, and file transfer are supported by Los Nettos. Los Nettos provides connections to other regional networks such as BARRNET and CERFNET, and provides connections to long-haul networks such as the ARPANET, the DRI, the NSFNET, and the Terrestrial Wideband Network. The use of these other networks must conform to their appropriate use policies. The Los Nettos member, and by extension, the ISI Los Nettos Associate is required to ensure that its use of other networks via Los Nettos meets these requirements. Violation of these rules may result in the termination of the connection to Los Nettos. The ISI Los Nettos Associates are expected to participate in some aspect of the research and development work of Los Nettos and the Internet. The costs of membership in the ISI Los Nettos Associates program is $5,000 per year. There are two classes of service for ISI Los Nettos Associates. Class A service requires an initiation fee (the fee is based on the speed of the connecting line). In this class of service ISI provides the equipment at ISI (i.e., a cisco router and serial interface port). The Associate provides the communication line and modems and a compatible cisco at its site. Class A service initiation fees --------------------------------- Speed up to 64Kbs $2,000.00 Speed of 1.5Mbs (T1) $4,000.00 In class B service, the member pay all costs for hardware, software, and communications between their site and ISI; and any equipment or facilities that support that site installed at ISI. Since Los Nettos plans to bill its members for the support cost of the network on a usage basis in the future (e.g., a per packet charge), ISI will pass on the usage charges to the ISI Los Nettos Associates responsible for the packets. For further information of the ISI Los Nettos Associates program please contact Ann Westine (Westine@ISI.EDU) at 213-822-1511. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ NOTE: Other member organizations of Los Nettos may offer similar arrangelents for access at different terms and conditions. Please contact them directory for further information. Also note that there is another regional network for Southern California called CERFNET, which has much wider range of membership and many grades of access and at a variety of line speeds (T1 in the main links, with 56Kb/s common, and 9.6Kb/s, and even dial up access). For information on CERFNET contact Susan Estrada at the San Diego Superconputer Center (Estrada@SDS.SDSC.EDU or 619-534-5067). ========================================================================== ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: UUCP%"elroy!Arizona.edu!LEONARD" 12-NOV-1990 14:40:31.07 To: hamavnet.com!henderson CC: Subj: Re: Internet and news From Arizona.edu!LEONARD Mon Nov 12 14:15:40 1990 remote from elroy Received: from elroy by hamavnet.com (DECUS UUCP ///1.2a/2.5/); Mon, 12 Nov 90 14:40:28 PST Received: from Arizona.edu (Hopey.Telcom.Arizona.EDU) by elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (4.1/SMI-4.1+DXR) id AA04026; Mon, 12 Nov 90 14:15:40 PST Date: Mon, 12 Nov 90 15:15 MST From: Aaron Leonard Subject: Re: Internet and news To: hamavnet.com!henderson Message-Id: <064666EA95A1400149@Arizona.edu> X-Envelope-To: henderson@hamavnet.com X-Vms-To: IN%"henderson@hamavnet.com" Javier: OK, let me answer the tough question ... >How do I hook up directly to the Internet? (did I open a can of >worms?) Yes, but this is a can of worms that is busting out all over. Traditionally, of course, the Internet (or ARPAnet) has been funded by DoD and other federal agencies, and has been "officially" for the use of non-profit research, educational and military organizations. (Although there have been all along connections to commercial outfits, there was never a real procedure for a for-profit company to hook up.) Now, however, there has been a sea change, and the idea that companies may hook up freely (not to be confused with `for-free'!) to the Internet has become generally accepted. There are several private companies that offer Internet connectivity to commercial outfits: UUNET and PSI.COM are two. If they have points of presence in LA, then that would be Hamavnet's best bet for hookup pricewise probably. Also, non-profit regionals may also offer hookups to private companies (for example, the U. of Ariz. provides a 9.6Kb hookup to Sunquest.COM for $6K/year.) So you may want to get ahold of CERFnet or Los Nettos, which are the main regional Internet networks in So. Cal. THere are a couple of ways that you might effect a connection to the Internet. The canonical way is to have a permanent leased line. The Internet protocols generally assume that any Internet node is permanently connected (unlike store and forward nets like UUCP and BITNET, which can handle dialups and/or erratic connections much better.) Alternately, you might want to get an IP address for occasional dialups. (CERFnet offers a service [I don't know whether it's available to for-profits] called Dial 'N CERFnet, where you can make a local call and connect up dynamically to the Internet.) This can be useful for the occasional FTP; however, dial-up IP is inadequate for handling mail, news, etc., so you'll want to keep your UUCP hookup. There is now a possibility intermediate between permanent and dialup that may be worth checking out, particularly if you are facing long-distance charges. By using Telebit's new Netblazer modem/routers, you can have an Internet connection that appears to be permanently connected, but that actually does a dynamic dialup on demand. This can save on leased line costs. (You will have to pay someone on the other side, of course, to be your partner.) At any rate, I'd recommend that you contact the folks listed in Appendix A for more info. As far as mail servers ... I'm sure there is something like that to let you get the relevant news software. You may want to pop the question in some relevant newsgroup, such as {news.misc, news.software.b, news.software.nntp or news.sysadmin.} Well, now you know as much as I do! Later, Aaron --- Appendix A - possible Internet access contacts for a S. Californian: UUNET: UUNET Communications Services (UU-DOM) 3110 Fairview Park Drive, Suite 570 Falls Church, VA 22042 Domain Name: UU.NET Administrative Contact: Adams, Rick (RA11) rick@UUNET.UU.NET (703) 876-5050 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Partan, Andrew (AP25) asp@UUNET.UU.NET (703) 876-5050 PSI: Performance Systems International Inc. (PSI-DOM) P.O. Box 3850 Reston, VA 22091 Domain Name: PSI.COM Administrative Contact: Schoffstall, Martin (MS9) SCHOFF@PSI.COM (703) 620-6651 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Zort, Robert (RLZ3) ZORT@UU.PSI.COM (518) 283-8860 Los Nettos: los-nettos-request@ISI.EDU Los Nettos attn: Ann Westine c/o USC/ISI 4676 Admiralty Way Marina del Ray CA 90292-6695 CERFnet: help@cerf.net Following is the file /cerfnet/cerfnet_info/dial-n-cerf-general-info.txt from nic.cerf.net: [ This document is available by anonymous ftp to NIC.CERF.NET ( 134.24.99.3) ] DIAL n' CERF: General Information This service provides Dial-up Internet Access to qualified users. DIAL n' CERF ( and similar) services cater chiefly to : Organizations/Individuals with legitimate but low start up needs to access the Internet. Organizations/Individuals with legitimate but short term needs to access the Internet. To "roamers", who already have access to the Internet in their parent organizations, but need this access when traveling. DIAL n' CERF offers: Terminal Service ( telnet, rlogin ) SLIP USENet News Internet Mailboxes DIAL n' CERF modems support all standard speeds up to 19.2 Kbps. Please refer all questions to help@cerf.net or call (619) 534-5087. You may fax a copy of agreements to (619) 534-5167 and follow up by sending originals by mail. DIAL n' CERF LOCATIONS [This document is available by anonymous FTP from NIC.CERF.NET in the file dial-n-cerf-locations.txt ] WHO QUALIFIES --------------- You are required to sign and abide by the cerfnet-acceptable-use-policy DIAL n' CERF SUBSCRIPTION AGREEMENT ------------------------------------ [This document is available by anonymous ftp from NIC.CERF.NET in the file dial-n-cerf-agreement.txt ] Pushpendra Mohta CERFnet pushp@cerf.net (619) 534-5056