Everhart,Glenn From: Brian Cowan [bcowan@ccmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 13, 1998 12:07 PM To: ntsecurity@iss.net Subject: Re:RE: [NTSEC] Code size of NT The other interesting thing is when they modify MFC so that applications that ran perfectly well under one version fail horribly in the next. If you have the Win98 beta, just check to see how well many NON MS 32-bit programs work -- or don't work -- as the case may be. It was once said that "We're not done until Lotus won't run" was a running joke at MS. I'm wouldn't be too surprised if some of that attitude is present @ MS. Brian ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: [NTSEC] Code size of NT Author: "Kevin Fries" Date: 4/12/98 11:28 PM TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email "unsubscribe ntsecurity" to majordomo@iss.net Contact ntsecurity-owner@iss.net for help with any problems! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Actually that was one of IBM's big gripes about working with MS programmers, > IBM would send MS 50,000 lines of code for OS/2 for them to review and MS > would 'sizzle' the code and send back 6,000 lines of code that did the same > thing and ran much faster. IBM measured productivity by lines of code > produced so they would credit MS with -44,000 lines of production for the > week. It also made the IBM developers look rather bad. So I don't think this > is one tag you can stick on MS unless they've changed their ways which I > doubt. > Bryan Actually, IBM programs made IBM developers look bad. MS programmers were just the messenger. One other point that was not made in this thread is that MS modus operendi is to put many of the features that they plan on exploiting in other arenas in their OS. I have yet to see any *NIX manufacturer to that. I am not claiming this as a good thing or bad, but if you watch the next version of MS apps, many of those features are built into MFC. MFC is more often than not just a thin api over the OS features. Kevin Fries ( kfries@cquad.com ) C-Quad Systems ( http://www.cquad.com ) (303) 730-1910