<<< TEMBEL::OFFICE$DISK:[NOTES$LIBRARY]PERSONAL_WORKSTATIONS.NOTE;1 >>> -< The Personal Workstations SIG >- ================================================================================ Note 1.0 Welcome ... No replies BIGUN::KEOGH "I feel better than James Brown" 5 lines 6-AUG-1991 00:10 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Welcome to VAX NOTES This conference is for discussions relating to The Personal Workstations SIG  ================================================================================ Note 2.0 Generating BREAK on VS3100 Serial ports? 3 replies VAXNET::BAKERB27 "Bruce Baker, Dow Chemical (Aust) Ltd" 11 lines 19-AUG-1991 16:01 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The burning question of my life at the moment is how to send a BREAK on a serial port on my VAXstation 3100 M38/SPX. I'm trying to use it to control an intelligent switch by doing a SET HOST/DTE TTA2: which works fine until I try to disconnect from the Intelligent switch. It requires a BREAK for disconnection and I have yet to find out how to generate one. The commands specified in the on-line help for SET HOST/DTE do not work for me. Is it possible? If so, how do I do it? Bruce Baker. (Mostly happy) ================================================================================ Note 2.1 Generating BREAK on VS3100 Serial ports? 1 of 3 TEMBEL::CAUNTG16 4 lines 20-AUG-1991 10:56 -< Maybe using a later version of VMS? >- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What version of VMS are you running ? The SET HOST /DTE in VMS 5.4-2 has at command interface that includes SEND BREAK. ================================================================================ Note 2.2 Generating BREAK on VS3100 Serial ports? 2 of 3 TEMBEL::SOMMERVILB19 "Brian Sommerville - BT Aust." 11 lines 20-AUG-1991 11:17 -< Don't type cntrl x just x >- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work for us. The syntax is a bit confusing, but goes something like: SET HOST/DTE/BREAK=x where x is the control character you wish to use as the break key. (don't type ^x just x) eg SET HOST/DTE/BREAK=] brian ================================================================================ Note 2.3 Generating BREAK on VS3100 Serial ports? 3 of 3 TEMBEL::BAKERB27 "Bruce Baker, Dow Chemical (Aust) Ltd" 5 lines 20-AUG-1991 18:17 -< VAXstation BREAK not possible >- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm on VMS 5.4-2 and my problem was that the SEND BREAK command did not work. I have since had the definitive answer from Jim Kovac after the Workstation Product update. Basically there are no smarts in the serial ports on a VAXstation. I'm afraid my hardware is NOT capable of generating a BREAK regardless of the SET HOST/DTE command interface.  ================================================================================ Note 3.0 Pathworks Form Feed on Printing Problem 4 replies TEMBEL::JOHNSONS24 10 lines 19-AUG-1991 16:51 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Does anyone have a solution to the problem of printing from DOS PC over Pathworks redirected LPT ports to a network printer, whereby I am getting a blank page after EVERY print job. This occurs on any packages to Impact/Gestetner Laser printers which are emulating Epson FX100 printers. The VMS print queues are stock std, running with no forms, with the printers attached to termianl servers under xon/xoff protocol. Does Pathworks send down a form feed at the end of each print job, can this be stopped. This extra page does not occur if the PC is hardwired direct to the Laser printer. ================================================================================ Note 3.1 Pathworks Form Feed on Printing Problem 1 of 4 TEMBEL::MCINTOSHR2 8 lines 19-AUG-1991 18:30 -< FF's are a "feature" of VMS >- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a "feature" of the VMS print symbiont. When it sees any characters it thinks might be printable, it attempts to print them and form feed the page. There is a patch for LATSYM available off the Internet if you access (via SMIFFY). Otherwise I think it is fixed in the next release of PathWorks :-( ================================================================================ Note 3.2 Pathworks Form Feed on Printing Problem 2 of 4 TEMBEL::NOSWORTHYD22 7 lines 20-AUG-1991 08:50 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We are using the Pathworks print facility to print to LPT2 (an Impact Laser printer - rebadged TI 2115) but the laser is a postscript unit. We don't have the problem you have indicated when printing to this unit and our queues are 'stock standard' Denis Nosworthy ================================================================================ Note 3.3 Pathworks Form Feed on Printing Problem 3 of 4 TEMBEL::JOHNSONS24 5 lines 20-AUG-1991 11:07 -< Postscript not a problem >- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quite correct, we also have Postscripts and these do not cause problems. It is only the Impact laser running Epson FX100 or Hplaserjet that are causing the extra page feeds. Shane Johnson ================================================================================ Note 3.4 Pathworks Form Feed on Printing Problem 4 of 4 TEMBEL::SOMMERVILB19 "Brian Sommerville - BT Aust." 4 lines 20-AUG-1991 11:18 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Try the tsc patch kit called LAT286. See the CSC stand. brian  ================================================================================ Note 4.0 Backing up PC's hard disk from VAX via pathworks 1 reply TEMBEL::BUTLERC22 "Chris Butler, NZ Ministry of Forestry" 16 lines 19-AUG-1991 18:55 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Folks, Here's a PCSA, woops, LAN Works, woops, Pathworks question: I have a need to backup a PC's hard disk to a LAD drive initiated by a batch job on the VAX. Has anyone implemented this? I guess something like FAL running on the PC would be used. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Chris Butler, Forest Research Institute ================================================================================ Note 4.1 Backing up PC's hard disk from VAX via pathworks 1 of 1 TEMBEL::JOHNSONS24 5 lines 20-AUG-1991 11:10 -< Pathworks 4.0 has an answer >- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There is a section in Pathworks 4.0 manuals on backing up a local hard disk using FAL and a VMS batch job. Have not tried it but is does look easy to setup. Shane Johnson  ================================================================================ Note 5.0 DECwindows hangs - where do I look? 13 replies TEMBEL::BEISSELC15 "Craig Beissel Coles Myer Ltd." 20 lines 20-AUG-1991 08:35 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have a problem with DECwindows running on a satellite 3100 model 30. It is running DECwrite most of the time. The symptoms that I see are that all windowing activity, select, pull down etc. slows, stops, and may resume again a few minutes later. Examination of the SYS$MANAGER:DECW$*.LOG files reveals nothing. I can connect via LAT to the VAXstation, and from a VMS point of view, nothing is happening: - No processes in an abnormal state - No paging - No computable processes AUTOGEN does not suggest any major changes to my parameters. Anyone have any ideas? Where should I be looking? ================================================================================ Note 5.1 DECwindows hangs - where do I look? 1 of 13 PENCEL::DEMO 1 line 20-AUG-1991 10:33 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Have you checked for system things like SRP, IRP, LRP exhaustion? ================================================================================ Note 5.2 DECwindows hangs - where do I look? 2 of 13 TEMBEL::JOHNSONS24 26 lines 20-AUG-1991 11:17 -< VWS Problem the Same >- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We are also running VAXstation 3100's models 30 and 76 with the VWS window system and a fortran written 3d graphics package. We to are having the "sleeping sickness" as our draftsmen call it!! The VAx's go to sleep for 30sec upto 2 mins with NOTHING at all happening. We were told by DEC UK that it was to do with the VWS window system and that we needed to upgrade our s/w to DECwindows to solve the problem. This is of real concern to us if the problem exits under DECwindows aswell! DEC have logged onto our system from Tele Support and have no solution. All VMS quotas look OK. Our software developers believe that the problem is related to using more than one graphics plane under VWS. Thus is the drafties keep to only one screen view, (pretty difficult way to work) that the "sleeping disease" does not occur. Limited trials of this seem to confirm this. Any other people with solutions?? Shane Johnson ================================================================================ Note 5.3 DECwindows hangs - where do I look? 3 of 13 VAXNET::KOSTENM19 5 lines 20-AUG-1991 15:20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just to forestall further discussion on this: There is a parameter you can change with ncp (on the pc) that can alleviate this problem. I have it back in my hotel room and will post it either later today or Thursday. ================================================================================ Note 5.4 DECwindows hangs - where do I look? 4 of 13 TEMBEL::BEISSELC15 "Craig Beissel Coles Myer Ltd." 10 lines 20-AUG-1991 16:07 -< Re 5.1 - SRPs, IRPs and LRPs >- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re 5.1 I have not looked at LRPs, but AUTOGEN with feedback does not significatly change IRPs and SRPs, so I believe that they are OK. Roll on v5.4 and feedback on LRP usage. P.S. did I tell you that this VAXcluster (4000/300, 3800, VAXstation 3100/30 *2) is running VMS v5.3-2. Just thought that you would like to know. ================================================================================ Note 5.5 DECwindows hangs - where do I look? 5 of 13 TEMBEL::WHALANA25 5 lines 20-AUG-1991 18:51 -< A Patch May Help ( It May Not Be A Panacea ) >- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I had the same problem with VMS 5.3-1 . I contacted DEC TSC and they had a patch which at least alleviated the problem. It could be a possible tuning problem ( I was running a badly tuned 3100/30 with 8 MB and retuning the machine sorted things out ). If you want more information call back. ================================================================================ Note 5.6 DECwindows hangs - where do I look? 6 of 13 TEMBEL::BEISSELC15 "Craig Beissel Coles Myer Ltd." 1 line 20-AUG-1991 19:17 -< More details thanks >- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks 5.5, more deatils would be appreciated. ================================================================================ Note 5.7 DECwindows hangs - where do I look? 7 of 13 TEMBEL::WHALANA25 4 lines 22-AUG-1991 17:03 -< Some More Details That May Help >- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The patch was for VS3100's with an SPX board under VMS 5.3-1. I'm trying to find out the details from the TSC Digit who handled my call ( Robert O'Meley ) ( OMELEYR22 ) and hopefully he will get back to either of us. ================================================================================ Note 5.8 DECwindows hangs - where do I look? 8 of 13 TEMBEL::JOHNSONS24 10 lines 22-AUG-1991 18:06 -< vmw 5.4 and vws >- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- please ignore Marks comment in 5.3 as he thought this NOTE was about a PC version. The problem we have with the Windows sleeping is with VMS 5.4 and VWS windows. We don't use the SPX board, just the std 8 plane colour system!! I am sure with have checked lrp, srp etc and all look OK Shane Johnson ================================================================================ Note 5.9 DECwindows hangs - where do I look? 9 of 13 VAXNET::OMELEYR22 "Never mind the answer... what's the question" 32 lines 23-AUG-1991 08:46 -< Try this, then perhaps the patches >- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ok guy's... the good oil is: VMS V5.3-* and the SPX platform had some initial problems. These manifested themselves as DECW$SERVER_n processes unceremoniously exitting. The server never recovered,necessitating an @sys$manager:decw$startup. These problems were ultimately addressed in the V5.4-1 update (from memory). So I doubt that this is Craigs problem. From memory though I sent Andrew a kit for the session manager that stopped a bytlm "leak". This problem was typified on workstations that have their sessions "Paused" rather than logged out, resulting in a gradual slo-w--i---n----g of the applications, and in the case of DECTerms, the decw$te_n process failing. This may be the problem you are seeing. I'd suggest going to V5.4-2 ASAP (or give the CSC a call for the kit). Failing all this start having a look at resource usage on the Session Manager, the decw$te_n and the one running DECWrite (as well as the Server process). These should point the way to what is going wrong. You may also try starting DECWrite from a DECTerm or Batch job rather than from the session manager. If you are already doing this and you are running the DECWrite client on the X-Server node (ie: all on the one workstation) make sure you are using the LOCAL transport rather than the default (from SET DISPLAY/CREATE) DECNet. Cheers Rob Sydney CSC ================================================================================ Note 5.10 DECwindows hangs - where do I look? 10 of 13 VAXNET::OMELEYR22 "Never mind the answer... what's the question" 25 lines 23-AUG-1991 09:04 -< Try this, but I need more info... >- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re .2 Shane you omitted VWS version and VMS version, but the Model 76 gave it away ! I'll assume your running VMS V5.4-2 and VWS V4.3 (both the latest). A few places to look. Check that VWS has "ample" memory (refer to the installation guide for the recommendations on this... err on the large-ish side for starters). I have not seen this "sleeping sickness" and would suggest that there are quite possibly other issues here, namely system tuning. VWS builds a display list in paged memory, which is typically flushed when you exit the program. Depending on the complexity of the drawing this can take a few seconds as the display list is walked and the elements removed. When are your users seeing the sleeping ? Also have a look at the VWS display manager process and see if it is running low on anything. How committed is your page file.. VWS applications benefit from a big pagefile, large VIRTUALPGCNT and process PGFLQUOTA. Review these areas and get back to us... or wander up to the CSC stand today for a yarn. Rob Sydney CSC ================================================================================ Note 5.11 DECwindows hangs - where do I look? 11 of 13 PENCEL::DEMO 1 line 23-AUG-1991 09:17 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is the patch for logical links timeout in? ================================================================================ Note 5.12 DECwindows hangs - where do I look? 12 of 13 VAXNET::KOSTENM19 13 lines 23-AUG-1991 11:05 -< Solving hanging problems >- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you experience these problems: PC DECwindows seems to hang every now and again, or you lose connections randomly or you have a slow PC try this on the PC: ncp define line ether-1 rec buff 10 you can also try 15 instead of 10. PathWORKS 4 has set the buffer size down to 4 for some reason, so this should set it back up. ================================================================================ Note 5.13 DECwindows hangs - where do I look? 13 of 13 VAXNET::KANOWSKIT28 5 lines 23-AUG-1991 11:10 -< Why? >- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > PathWORKS 4 has set the buffer size down to 4 for some reason, so this > should set it back up. Does anyone know why this was done?  ================================================================================ Note 6.0 Dual-Headed display on 3100-76 SPX? No replies VAXNET::GRANTA15 4 lines 20-AUG-1991 09:47 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is it possible to (is there a patch to the driver?) to run a dual-headed display on a VAXstation 3100-76 SPX? Thanks, Alistair  ================================================================================ Note 7.0 Remote boot for PCSA/NETWare coexistance? No replies TEMBEL::SOMMERVILB19 "Brian Sommerville - BT Aust." 8 lines 20-AUG-1991 11:22 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We are looking at the NETware/PCSA coexistance product SPD and find that the product doesn't allow remote boot for either protocols. Is this likely to change in a future version? brian  ================================================================================ Note 8.0 Pathwork Engineering LAN Slide Copies 3 replies TEMBEL::JOHNSONS24 10 lines 20-AUG-1991 13:12 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anyone who attended the Pathworks -from Engineering Desktop to Plant Computer talk on Monday and missed out on a copy of the slides, the DECUS office WILL NOT provide copies. Please VAXmail me here on JOHNSONS24 with your name and Address or give me a business card if you see me and I will attempt to get copies sent out via post on my return to the office. Shane Johnson ================================================================================ Note 8.1 Pathwork Engineering LAN Slide Copies 1 of 3 TEMBEL::NOSWORTHYD22 12 lines 20-AUG-1991 16:15 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would like a copy of the notes please. The talk was very interesting Denis Nosworthy, Director of Information Services South Western Sydney Area Health Service PMB 17, LIVERPOOL. NSW Australia. Thank you very much. Denis Nosworthy. ================================================================================ Note 8.2 Pathwork Engineering LAN Slide Copies 2 of 3 VAXNET::NORTHB25 3 lines 21-AUG-1991 11:24 -< slides >- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shane. Missed session, but would like copy of slides. Tks. Bruce North, NPR Systems, Sydney ================================================================================ Note 8.3 Pathwork Engineering LAN Slide Copies 3 of 3 VAXNET::SMITHB10 12 lines 22-AUG-1991 11:46 -< Me too please >- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please add me to the list . I thought it a very useful presentation. Bob Smith Kembla Coal & Coke Pty Limited P.O. Box 1770 Wollongong NSW 2500 Australia Phone 042 287455 x 510 Thanks.  ================================================================================ Note 9.0 Decnet Tcp/ip simultaneous connections 4 replies VAXNET::TILBYG5 11 lines 20-AUG-1991 13:56 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is anyone interested in running Pathworks with both Decnet and Tcp/Ip as simultaneous transports and when needed IPX also ? With a 386 and DOS5/Netroom/Qemm it is possible to do so with still a usable amount of conventional memory left. The process requires only a little file editing and appending and appears to work very well. I assume that this ability will be included in a future Pathworks release given the popularity of Ultrix servers and the cost of having all your servers running decnet and/or Tcp/Ip just so each PC can access all services provided. The process is a little lengthy to type, so I will list it only if there is a use for it. ================================================================================ Note 9.1 Decnet Tcp/ip simultaneous connections 1 of 4 TEMBEL::NOSWORTHYD22 8 lines 20-AUG-1991 16:17 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes I believe it would be worthwhile knowing the procedure. Maybe it owuld be better to mail the procedure to those who respond as it is easier to get a printout of a single mail message than out of notes. Denis Nosworthy (NOSWORTHYD22) ================================================================================ Note 9.2 Decnet Tcp/ip simultaneous connections 2 of 4 VAXNET::SMITHB10 3 lines 22-AUG-1991 11:48 -< another >- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd be intersted too please. Bob Smith ================================================================================ Note 9.3 Decnet Tcp/ip simultaneous connections 3 of 4 VAXNET::WATSONS29 4 lines 22-AUG-1991 12:12 -< Decnet/TCP/IP interest. >- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, I am definitely interested. Simon Watson. ================================================================================ Note 9.4 Decnet Tcp/ip simultaneous connections 4 of 4 TEMBEL::STOKESR20 2 lines 23-AUG-1991 11:17 -< DECnet/TCP >- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am also interested. Rex Stokes..  ================================================================================ Note 10.0 Print-Screen on DECterm's 2 replies TEMBEL::WALLACEA21 7 lines 20-AUG-1991 15:54 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Any chance that DECterm will support the Print-Screen functionality of 'real' VT-300 terminals? It would be great if F2 (?) would send the current screen of a DECterm to a print queue (SYS$PRINT would be enough) in text mode, with could do a Sixel dump and could trap continuously to a file, and print at the next . ================================================================================ Note 10.1 Print-Screen on DECterm's 1 of 2 VAXNET::TAYLORT29 2 lines 23-AUG-1991 12:59 -< Coming soon to a screen near you! >- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It does in the next release!!! Look at the Print menu in the DECterm menu bar on one of the VAXstations in the Exhibition. ================================================================================ Note 10.2 Print-Screen on DECterm's 2 of 2 VAXNET::OMELEYR22 "Never mind the answer... what's the question" 6 lines 23-AUG-1991 14:32 -< Print widget also... >- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A further feature of the next release is the supplying of the "Print" widget (like the one in DECWrite.. etc), so you can put this in your appl's. Rob Sydney CSC  ================================================================================ Note 11.0 DEC 433 Workstation PC No replies TEMBEL::JOHNSONS24 11 lines 22-AUG-1991 08:39 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Has anyone tried running OS/2 v1.21, v1.3 or v2.0 (beta) on the DEC 433 PC workstation? Any comments on how the display (being non-std Texas chip driven) responds? What about DOS aswell? I know that DEC provide drivers for Windows 3 and a few other major packages, but what about running a std DOS graphics package outside of Windows 3. Again how does it handle the Texis driven display. Does it only use a inner portion at VGA resolution? Shane Johnson  ================================================================================ Note 12.0 Pathworks/DECquery 1 reply TEMBEL::WALKERR17 6 lines 22-AUG-1991 08:40 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We have a PC running DECquery connected via Pathworks to a MicroVAX 3100. When that PC attempts to access a database on another VAX, it fails. Does the MicroVAX 3100 need to be a router rather than an end node for this to work? ================================================================================ Note 12.1 Pathworks/DECquery 1 of 1 TEMBEL::JOHNSONS24 7 lines 22-AUG-1991 13:22 -< NCP database >- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- do you have the node and number defined in the PC's NCp database? This is required for remote pathworks connections on the WAN. Define the node in the PC's NCP database and then reboot PC and it should work. shane Johnson