INFO-VAX Wed, 19 Nov 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 627 Contents: Re: 150 year Re: 150 year Re: 150 year Re: 150 year Re: 150 year Re: 150 year Re: 150 year Re: 150 year Re: 150 year Re: Anyone want a ride on the SS Itanic? Re: Canadian Weather (was Re: In-house testing and patches) Re: More strategic resource allocation from the HP/VMS congoscente Re: More strategic resource allocation from the HP/VMS congoscente Re: More strategic resource allocation from the HP/VMS congoscente Re: Most impressive VAX installations Re: OT: Former VMS guy need small free database Re: OT: Former VMS guy need small free database Re: OT: Former VMS guy need small free database OT: Metric in Canada (was Re: 150 year) Re: OVMS NetBeans IDE Error Re: OVMS NetBeans IDE Error Re: OVMS NetBeans IDE Error Re: OVMS NetBeans IDE Error Re: OVMS NetBeans IDE Error Re: OVMS NetBeans IDE Error Re: Seagate ST31051N on MicroVAX 3100 Re: SWB 1.1.10 -- New quirk? Re: VMS, HP and the recession ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:12:45 +0100 From: "Fred Zwarts" Subject: Re: 150 year Message-ID: "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote in message = news:57ydnViXJc-qd7_UnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@giganews.com... >=20 > Yes, there is. The end of Unix! And good riddance! >=20 > Actually, Unix will be moving to 64 bits for timekeeping. This will=20 > delay the "end of time" for about 30,000 years.=20 If 32 bits were enough for 68 years, then 64 bits are enough for roughly = 4,000,000,000 * 68 years. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Nov 2008 08:17:45 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: 150 year Message-ID: <6Jn8DAl7u4ft@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > > You can buy metric wrenches and, if you have a Japanese or a German car, > you will need them. There a probably three times as many "English" > wrenches sold as there are metric. There's a LOT of "English" hardware > still in use and will be for many years. My dad used to joke with trainees by asking them to hand him his "adjustable metric wrench". They thought they were going to have to get themselves one, until he reached over and picked up his product from Cresent. > About thirty years ago, during an early "gasoline crisis", a few gas > stations were selling gasoline by the liter. It didn't last! When the > shortage ended, liters disappeared and gasoline was once again sold by > the gallon. Mostly liter pricing was a temporary fix for mechanical pumps that couldn't handle prices in more than two digits. Years ago I asked a Canadian who's father did construction what units they used for a standard ceiling height. I've lived in houses with 7 1/2 ft. and 8 ft. ceilings. I wondered what was used for a good round number in metric. She didn't know. Then a year ago I was suprised to realise that I was watching a Canadian television production when the carpenter kept doing everything in feet. Some things just fit well. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Nov 2008 08:28:54 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: 150 year Message-ID: <$D5OaMRbeE2T@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <000f5869$0$4013$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: > Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > >> What, exactly, is your objection? That YOU were not allowed to choose it? > > Perhaps it has to do with the creation of those sects in the USA that > refuse to beleive in evolution/science and focus on creationism. As > such, they would only accept dec 25 in the year 0 as the start of time > when Jesus was born. Of all of those folks that I met, not one has refused the notion that Adam, Abraham, David, and others, lived before Jesus. But there was a Catholic theologian (pope?) who sat down with his Bible and calculated the exact start of time to be about 6000 years ago. I think he said it was in October. Meanwhile the established age of the universe requires a clock that only goes back about 13.7 billion years. How many bits does that take in your favorite counter? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:24:41 GMT From: gerry77@no.spam.mail.com Subject: Re: 150 year Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:19:00 -0500, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > > No, defined in terms of metres, etc... and litres... > > It may depend on what language you are writing in! > > In the U.S. meters and liters are correct. I won't even attempt to > guess how the French, Germans, Italians, British, etc, spell these words. In Italian we write metro (pl. metri) and litro (pl. litri) :-) G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:25:59 GMT From: gerry77@no.spam.mail.com Subject: Re: 150 year Message-ID: On 19 Nov 2008 08:17:45 -0600, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > Years ago I asked a Canadian who's father did construction what units > they used for a standard ceiling height. I've lived in houses with > 7 1/2 ft. and 8 ft. ceilings. I wondered what was used for a good > round number in metric. She didn't know. In Italy, the required minimum ceiling height for new houses built in plain is usually 2,50 metres, anyway most homes have ceilings about 3 meters high. These figures are usually reduced for houses built 500 metres above sea level, to conserve heat in winter. I don't know about other European countries. G. P.S.: See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator (we use comma) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:31:43 -0800 (PST) From: Galen Subject: Re: 150 year Message-ID: <2399a37b-e707-46d5-90e4-332fd6a4c61b@g17g2000prg.googlegroups.com> > When you're talking about 'still using', shouldn't the original, > uncorreupted spelling be used? That was my point... > -- > Bob Eager When you're talking about uncorrupted spelling, shouldn't the original, uncorrupted spelling of "uncorrupted" be used? Seriously, though... :-& How can we talk about English having _any_ uncorrupted spelling? It wasn't until fairly modern times ("fairly modern" to be taken flexibly) that anything like standardized spelling began to emerge. The greatest writer ever of English literature spelled his own name several ways--but I'm not going to mention his actual name, lest I start a war over his true identity/identities. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:56:13 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: 150 year Message-ID: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > But there was a Catholic theologian (pope?) who sat down with his > Bible and calculated the exact start of time to be about 6000 years > ago. I think he said it was in October. That was Bishop Ussher, who dated the first day of Creation as being on October 23, 4004 BC. And there were predictions for the end of the world in October 1996, exactly* 6000 years later. I know of a poster warning of the Rapture on that date that's still plastered to a traffic light pole. (*) except for the thing that there was no Year 0. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:38:05 +0200 From: Mike Rechtman Subject: Re: 150 year Message-ID: Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <000f5869$0$4013$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: >> Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >> >>> What, exactly, is your objection? That YOU were not allowed to choose it? >> Perhaps it has to do with the creation of those sects in the USA that >> refuse to beleive in evolution/science and focus on creationism. As >> such, they would only accept dec 25 in the year 0 as the start of time >> when Jesus was born. > > Of all of those folks that I met, not one has refused the notion that > Adam, Abraham, David, and others, lived before Jesus. > > But there was a Catholic theologian (pope?) who sat down with his > Bible and calculated the exact start of time to be about 6000 years > ago. I think he said it was in October. Look for "Bishop Usher" (He made it 23 October 4004 BC, according to the Julian calendar) > > Meanwhile the established age of the universe requires a clock that > only goes back about 13.7 billion years. How many bits does that > take in your favorite counter? > -- Mike R. http://alpha.mike-r.com/ -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:59:30 -0800 From: Alan Frisbie Subject: Re: 150 year Message-ID: <3PCdnYSaQqyeybnUnZ2dnUVZ_rHinZ2d@supernews.com> Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: >> Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >> >>> What, exactly, is your objection? That YOU were not allowed to >>> choose it? >> >> Perhaps it has to do with the creation of those sects in the USA that >> refuse to beleive in evolution/science and focus on creationism. As >> such, they would only accept dec 25 in the year 0 as the start of time >> when Jesus was born. >> >> The smithsonian date is way too scientific to their liking and they >> would rather have a religious event as start of time. >> >> :-) > > No, no, no. . . . The universe was created ca. 1 September 1940. I was > born nine months later. . . . And this is a Big Bang reference? :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:57:27 -0800 (PST) From: FrankS Subject: Re: Anyone want a ride on the SS Itanic? Message-ID: On Nov 18, 3:59=A0pm, moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote: > There's a company that's been selling a whole bunch of Itanium rx2600 > systems on Ebay, for as low as $100 each (without management processor > card) or $250 for ones with it. =A0Has anyone here grabbed one and put VM= S > on it? I did, back when they were selling as an open auction, and I payed a lot more. I believe many others here picked on (or two) up during the $399 phase. OpenVMS works fine, installed without issues. By the book. I think the management processor connector wasn't plugged in on mine (vague recollection) and I updated all the firmware first. At $250 they're even more of a bargain then when I bought one. You will need to get a DVD player, but I got one on eBay as well. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:31:54 -0500 From: "Syltrem" Subject: Re: Canadian Weather (was Re: In-house testing and patches) Message-ID: Hmmm. Where in Canada is that ? Victoria ? I find a snowblower does a better job from December to March. :-) Syltrem "Fred Bach" wrote in message news:gfsrl4$9fp$2@aioe.org... > Michael Kraemer wrote: >> JF Mezei schrieb: >>> While picking up leaves, I got to think... (it happens sometimes). >> >> I always thought Canada would be buried unter several meters >> of snow at this time of the year ... > > > Are you kidding? I live in Canada too, and I use my lawnmower every > month of the year. > And yes, I do let my friends up in Edmonton know that, as often as I can. > > Today we're having pleasant spring-like weather, and I intend to cut the > grass > after work today. > > .. Fred Bach music at triumf dot c a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:27:29 +0100 From: Michael Kraemer Subject: Re: More strategic resource allocation from the HP/VMS congoscente Message-ID: Richard Maher schrieb: > http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=08/11/18/1050594 There's nothing wrong with that. Can only make VMS more attractive. > VMS's going down the S-bend has *nothing* to do with advertising. Absolute > Disbelief! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:19:00 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: More strategic resource allocation from the HP/VMS congoscente Message-ID: <000fe145$0$12286$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Michael Kraemer wrote: > Richard Maher schrieb: >> http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=08/11/18/1050594 > > There's nothing wrong with that. > Can only make VMS more attractive. It is puzzling that they just released Seamonkey and would now release Firefox. This would however show that they have developped the tools to facilitate the porting of such apps and middleware to VMS and can now do this much faster with fewer resources. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:19:57 -0800 (PST) From: IanMiller Subject: Re: More strategic resource allocation from the HP/VMS congoscente Message-ID: <87bc122e-e2fc-4302-b292-14190ae496f7@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com> On Nov 19, 12:19=A0pm, JF Mezei wrote: > Michael Kraemer wrote: > > Richard Maher schrieb: > >>http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=3D08/11/18/1050594 > > > There's nothing wrong with that. > > Can only make VMS more attractive. > > It is puzzling that they just released Seamonkey and would now release > Firefox. > > This would however show that they have developped the tools to > facilitate the porting of such apps and middleware to VMS and can now do > this much faster with fewer resources. A new browser based on firefox has been on the roadmap for a while. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:53:24 -0800 (PST) From: FrankS Subject: Re: Most impressive VAX installations Message-ID: <5248eca3-ef17-40da-abeb-35abf38104f8@35g2000pry.googlegroups.com> On Nov 18, 10:36=A0am, hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig--- remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote: > I'm not sure, but it is in a class by itself, in that it has Kirk, Spock > and McCoy etc but---oh, sacrilege!---played by different actors! In which movie of the series were they all played by the same actor? :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:12:45 -0700 From: Randy Park Subject: Re: OT: Former VMS guy need small free database Message-ID: Arne Vajhøj wrote: > Randy Park wrote: >> I know this is the wrong forum, but I used to lurk around here a lot >> and I know that you guys will give a straight answer plus many of you >> may have already done what I trying to do. >> >> First of all my background. I was a software developer from 1975 >> until the late 1990s. I developed software on OpenVMS systems >> eventually writing code to interface to Oracle, Ingres, Rdb, Sybase, >> Progress, and Interbase databases, somtimes simultaneously. I would >> use their native call routines whenever possible. I had very little >> use for any tools that sat on top of the database engine other than >> the interactive SQL tool. I also have very extensive experience with >> indexed file structures (ISAM, B-Tree, etc.). I haven't done any >> database development now for at least 15 years, so I'm a bit rusty. >> Plus I'm now retired. >> >> I'm looking for free PC based database (I use that word loosely) >> application development tool. I have a very small database >> application that I need to develop for our hiking club. The club has >> no money to buy any software, let alone any computers to run it. It >> works with volunteers only. I volunteered to look at better solution >> than a spreadsheet to keep track of the hikes and the hikers. I need >> to develop this application in a manner that allows me to transfer the >> entire application and database to someone else when I'm no longer >> around, move away, get hit by a truck, or whatever. >> >> The application involves only 4 tables, 3 which will be relatively >> stable once loaded, maybe 10% growth in number of rows per year, while >> the 4th table will be fairly active, which will be basically a log of >> every hike performed by every hiker. Two of the tables will have less >> than 10 columns, while the other two may have up to 20 columns. >> Pretty simple. >> >> I need to be able to have a tool that will allow me to develop a form >> for easy adding, changing, and deleting of rows in each of the tables. >> It would be nice if the form would allow some simple data validation >> as it was entered by the end user, such as looking up the Hiker_ID in >> the Hiker table when it is being entered into the Hike_Log table. I >> also need to develop a few reports, some to validate the integrity of >> the data and some to list subsets of the data. >> >> I looked at the Open Office suite and MySQL. After spending several >> hours experimenting, the Open Office database product doesn't appear >> to have the capabilities that I need. Some strange requirements >> involving a unique integer primary index. Perusing the MySQL web >> pages I was not able to find any free tool that allowed the data entry >> form development. Maybe it's there, but I couldn't find it. >> >> Oracle appears to offer a FREE database product called Oracle 10g XE. >> (I remember when they wanted thousands of $ from application software >> developers to have their application support the Oracle database. So >> seeing FREE was a nice surprise.) Their web page also indicates that >> SQL developer is also free. But Oracle is so big and complex. The >> reporting that I need appears to be available in SQL developer. I >> haven't done enough research to see if it allows me to develop the >> table maintenance forms that I want. >> >> Soooo.... Does anyone know of any free PC based database software >> tools that provide for fairly simple table data maintenance using forms? > > The database is not the problem. > > There are big commercial databases with free edititions: > Oracle > MS SQLServer > IBM DB2 > Sybase > typical they are called express edition and has a max. of 4 GB data. > > There are open source database: > MySQL > PostgreSQL > FireBird > Derby > > And then there are the embedded or embeddable databases: > MS Access > HypersonicSQL/HSQLDB/H2 > MS SQLServer CE > Firebird > > You need to decide on whether you want a server that can support > multiple users or an embedded database which will work best for > single user. > > Still possible. > > The problem is the tool to edit data. > > MS Access is probably easiest but it cost money unless you > happen to have MS Office Pro already. > > OpenOffice is build on top of HSQLDB, but you don't like that. > > The typical DBA tool is not very end user friendly. > > You are sure that you don't want to slam some screens together in > Java/C#/VB.NET - it is not that difficult - especially not > with your background. > > Arne Thanks for the info. I will look at these. I spent time yesterday looking at Oracle Express Edition. It is simply too big and complex of a product for me to be able to pass on to someone else. I suspect the other big free databases are the same way. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:14:21 -0700 From: Randy Park Subject: Re: OT: Former VMS guy need small free database Message-ID: <4IYUk.163$9k5.352@eagle.america.net> Thanks to all that replied. I will continue to look for a good solution that once developed allows me to pass on the solution to someone else. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:12:06 -0800 (PST) From: Rob Subject: Re: OT: Former VMS guy need small free database Message-ID: <712579a0-e815-4b44-9f60-b621e37a2e26@a29g2000pra.googlegroups.com> On Nov 18, 9:00=A0pm, Randy Park wrote: > I know this is the wrong forum, but I used to lurk around here a lot and > I know that you guys will give a straight answer plus many of you may > have already done what I trying to do. > > First of all my background. =A0I was a software developer from 1975 until > the late 1990s. =A0I developed software on OpenVMS systems eventually > writing code to interface to Oracle, Ingres, Rdb, Sybase, Progress, and > Interbase databases, somtimes simultaneously. =A0I would use their native > call routines whenever possible. =A0I had very little use for any tools > that sat on top of the database engine other than the interactive SQL > tool. =A0I also have very extensive experience with indexed file > structures (ISAM, B-Tree, etc.). =A0I haven't done any database > development now for at least 15 years, so I'm a bit rusty. =A0Plus I'm no= w > retired. > > I'm looking for free PC based database (I use that word loosely) > application development tool. =A0I have a very small database application > that I need to develop for our hiking club. =A0The club has no money to > buy any software, let alone any computers to run it. =A0It works with > volunteers only. =A0I volunteered to look at better solution than a > spreadsheet to keep track of the hikes and the hikers. =A0I need to > develop this application in a manner that allows me to transfer the > entire application and database to someone else when I'm no longer > around, move away, get hit by a truck, or whatever. > > The application involves only 4 tables, 3 which will be relatively > stable once loaded, maybe 10% growth in number of rows per year, while > the 4th table will be fairly active, which will be basically a log of > every hike performed by every hiker. =A0Two of the tables will have less > than 10 columns, while the other two may have up to 20 columns. =A0Pretty > simple. > > I need to be able to have a tool that will allow me to develop a form > for easy adding, changing, and deleting of rows in each of the tables. > It would be nice if the form would allow some simple data validation as > it was entered by the end user, such as looking up the Hiker_ID in the > Hiker table when it is being entered into the Hike_Log table. =A0I also > need to develop a few reports, some to validate the integrity of the > data and some to list subsets of the data. > > I looked at the Open Office suite and MySQL. =A0After spending several > hours experimenting, the Open Office database product doesn't appear to > have the capabilities that I need. =A0Some strange requirements involving > a unique integer primary index. =A0Perusing the MySQL web pages I was not > able to find any free tool that allowed the data entry form development. > =A0 Maybe it's there, but I couldn't find it. > > Oracle appears to offer a FREE database product called Oracle 10g XE. (I > remember when they wanted thousands of $ from application software > developers to have their application support the Oracle database. =A0So > seeing FREE was a nice surprise.) =A0Their web page also indicates that > SQL developer is also free. =A0But Oracle is so big and complex. =A0The > reporting that I need appears to be available in SQL developer. =A0I > haven't done enough research to see if it allows me to develop the table > maintenance forms that I want. > > Soooo.... =A0Does anyone know of any free PC based database software tool= s > that provide for fairly simple table data maintenance using forms? > > Thanks in advance. I'm with Ken on this one. I maintain a number of websites (www.hpug.org.uk for instance) and the easiest ones are running PHP/MySQL. This combination will even work on VMS boxes, if you really wanted to. Oddly, I'm also about to host (and probably create) www.backpaq.org.uk, which is the HP UK's staff hiking site, so I'd be interested in what you come up with. Rob. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:29:25 -0800 (PST) From: Peter Weaver Subject: OT: Metric in Canada (was Re: 150 year) Message-ID: On Nov 19, 9:17=A0am, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > In article , "Richard B. G= ilbert" writes: > > > > > You can buy metric wrenches and, if you have a Japanese or a German car= , > > you will need them. =A0There a probably three times as many "English" > > wrenches sold as there are metric. =A0There's a LOT of "English" hardwa= re > > still in use and will be for many years. > > =A0 =A0My dad used to joke with trainees by asking them to hand him his > =A0 =A0"adjustable metric wrench". =A0They thought they were going to hav= e to > =A0 =A0get themselves one, until he reached over and picked up his produc= t > =A0 =A0from Cresent. > > > About thirty years ago, during an early "gasoline crisis", a few gas > > stations were selling gasoline by the liter. =A0It didn't last! =A0When= the > > shortage ended, liters disappeared and gasoline was once again sold by > > the gallon. > > =A0 =A0Mostly liter pricing was a temporary fix for mechanical pumps that > =A0 =A0couldn't handle prices in more than two digits. > > =A0 =A0Years ago I asked a Canadian who's father did construction what un= its > =A0 =A0they used for a standard ceiling height. =A0I've lived in houses w= ith > =A0 =A07 1/2 ft. and 8 ft. ceilings. =A0I wondered what was used for a go= od > =A0 =A0round number in metric. =A0She didn't know. > > =A0 =A0Then a year ago I was suprised to realise that I was watching a > =A0 =A0Canadian television production when the carpenter kept doing > =A0 =A0everything in feet. =A0Some things just fit well. Router Workshop??? Although Canada is officially metric a lot of things are still Imperial. A few years ago a friend mentioned that when you ask a Canadian teenager how far something is away from him you will get an answer in metres, if you ask him how much a small package weighs you will get an answer in kilograms. But ask the same person how tall they are then you will get an answer in feet and inches, ask how much they weigh and the answer is in pounds. Since then I have tested this on a few people and the results always matched my friend's observation. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:13:21 +0100 From: Jur van der Burg <"lddriver at digiater dot nl"> Subject: Re: OVMS NetBeans IDE Error Message-ID: <4923bc91$0$201$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> Two things: if the vms host has multiple network interfaces you need to specify the logical name IDE$HOST_IPNAME pointing to the interface to use, like this: $ define/system ide$host_ipname "vmshost.example.com" Second, if you use netbeans over a vpn tunnel you must start the ide with an option telling the application the ip address of the windows system, so add this option to the shortcut starting the ide: -J-Djava.rmi.server.hostname=mywindowsbox.example.com Then it should work. Jave and rmi are very unfriendly for tunnels and very sensitive to network setup. I did however not use netbeans, it needs either ftp access or a network share in the vms system. A network share can be done with Samba, but that's far too unstable to be of any serious use. And ftp does not cut it if you want to work from multiple systems on the same project, like I tried to (work in the office and work on my system at home over a vpn tunnel). That gives so much issues that I just use plain terminal serssions (lots of them). Fwiw, Jur. sccr13plyr@gmail.com wrote: > On Nov 18, 1:06 pm, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob > Koehler) wrote: >> In article <1162ca5f-c114-4ad0-829c-c6cb82ded...@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, sccr13p...@gmail.com writes: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hello, >>> Our System Admin recently installed the OpenVMS component for >>> NetBeans. I installed NetBeans and the OVMS module on my machine. >>> When I try to establish a connection with the remote IDE server, I get >>> a popup with the error: >>> error during JRMP connection establishment; nested exception is: >>> javax.net.ssl.SSLHandshakeException: Remote host closed connection >>> during handshake >>> The sysadmin has been too busy to look at the issue right now, so I >>> was curious if anyone around here might have some suggestions as to >>> what the problem might be... >>> TIA >>> sccr13plyr >> Since you have no data and we're just wild guessing here, I'd suspect >> something in your LOGIN.COM on the remote server that the connection >> doesn't expect.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Bob, > > Thank you for your response! I have provided pretty much the data I > have. I was looking for someone who has installed and used the > NetBeans IDE and perhaps had come across this error. If everyone who > is using NetBeans has not seen this error, then I would assume that my > friendly neighborhood admin has missed a setup step. > > As for the login.com, the NetBeans application connects to an IDE > $SERVER daemon. It apparently uses my OVMS credentials for > authentication somewhere along the road, but I don't think it is even > getting that far (as putting in an invalid password or username does > not change the error message). Even if it did, I had already changed > the login to immediately exit as a safeguard. > > There is an IDE$SERVER log on the VMS box and this some addtional > information: > > java.rmi.ConnectIOException: error during JRMP connection > establishment; nested exception is: > javax.net.ssl.SSLHandshakeException: Remote host closed > connection during handshake > > at sun.rmi.transport.tcp.TCPChannel.createConnection > (TCPChannel.java:273) > > at sun.rmi.transport.tcp.TCPChannel.newConnection > (TCPChannel.java:171) > > at sun.rmi.server.UnicastRef.newCall(UnicastRef.java:306) > > at sun.rmi.registry.RegistryImpl_Stub.rebind(Unknown Source) > > at org.netbeans.modules.distributed.util.RMIMethodInvoker > $1BindThread.run(Unknown Source) > > Caused by: javax.net.ssl.SSLHandshakeException: Remote host closed > connection during handshake > > at com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.SSLSocketImpl.readRecord > (SSLSocketImpl.java:742) > > at > com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.SSLSocketImpl.performInitialHandshake > (SSLSocketImpl.java:1030) > > at com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.SSLSocketImpl.writeRecord > (SSLSocketImpl.java:622) > > at com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.AppOutputStream.write > (AppOutputStream.java:59) > > at java.io.BufferedOutputStream.flushBuffer > (BufferedOutputStream.java:65) > > at java.io.BufferedOutputStream.flush > (BufferedOutputStream.java:123) > > at java.io.DataOutputStream.flush(DataOutputStream.java:106) > > at sun.rmi.transport.tcp.TCPChannel.createConnection > (TCPChannel.java:198) > > ... 4 more > > Caused by: java.io.EOFException: SSL peer shut down incorrectly > > at com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.InputRecord.read > (InputRecord.java:333) > > at com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.SSLSocketImpl.readRecord > (SSLSocketImpl.java:723) > > ... 11 more > > > But, I am not 100% they are related. > > Any further thoughts? > > sccr13plyr, HP ASE (Of the OVMS flavor) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:14:00 +0100 From: Jur van der Burg <"lddriver at digiater dot nl"> Subject: Re: OVMS NetBeans IDE Error Message-ID: <4923bcb8$0$201$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> Two things: if the vms host has multiple network interfaces you need to specify the logical name IDE$HOST_IPNAME pointing to the interface to use, like this: $ define/system ide$host_ipname "vmshost.example.com" Second, if you use netbeans over a vpn tunnel you must start the ide with an option telling the application the ip address of the windows system, so add this option to the shortcut starting the ide: -J-Djava.rmi.server.hostname=mywindowsbox.example.com Then it should work. Jave and rmi are very unfriendly for tunnels and very sensitive to network setup. I did however not use netbeans, it needs either ftp access or a network share in the vms system. A network share can be done with Samba, but that's far too unstable to be of any serious use. And ftp does not cut it if you want to work from multiple systems on the same project, like I tried to (work in the office and work on my system at home over a vpn tunnel). That gives so much issues that I just use plain terminal serssions (lots of them). Fwiw, Jur. sccr13plyr@gmail.com wrote: > On Nov 18, 1:06 pm, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob > Koehler) wrote: >> In article <1162ca5f-c114-4ad0-829c-c6cb82ded...@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, sccr13p...@gmail.com writes: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hello, >>> Our System Admin recently installed the OpenVMS component for >>> NetBeans. I installed NetBeans and the OVMS module on my machine. >>> When I try to establish a connection with the remote IDE server, I get >>> a popup with the error: >>> error during JRMP connection establishment; nested exception is: >>> javax.net.ssl.SSLHandshakeException: Remote host closed connection >>> during handshake >>> The sysadmin has been too busy to look at the issue right now, so I >>> was curious if anyone around here might have some suggestions as to >>> what the problem might be... >>> TIA >>> sccr13plyr >> Since you have no data and we're just wild guessing here, I'd suspect >> something in your LOGIN.COM on the remote server that the connection >> doesn't expect.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Bob, > > Thank you for your response! I have provided pretty much the data I > have. I was looking for someone who has installed and used the > NetBeans IDE and perhaps had come across this error. If everyone who > is using NetBeans has not seen this error, then I would assume that my > friendly neighborhood admin has missed a setup step. > > As for the login.com, the NetBeans application connects to an IDE > $SERVER daemon. It apparently uses my OVMS credentials for > authentication somewhere along the road, but I don't think it is even > getting that far (as putting in an invalid password or username does > not change the error message). Even if it did, I had already changed > the login to immediately exit as a safeguard. > > There is an IDE$SERVER log on the VMS box and this some addtional > information: > > java.rmi.ConnectIOException: error during JRMP connection > establishment; nested exception is: > javax.net.ssl.SSLHandshakeException: Remote host closed > connection during handshake > > at sun.rmi.transport.tcp.TCPChannel.createConnection > (TCPChannel.java:273) > > at sun.rmi.transport.tcp.TCPChannel.newConnection > (TCPChannel.java:171) > > at sun.rmi.server.UnicastRef.newCall(UnicastRef.java:306) > > at sun.rmi.registry.RegistryImpl_Stub.rebind(Unknown Source) > > at org.netbeans.modules.distributed.util.RMIMethodInvoker > $1BindThread.run(Unknown Source) > > Caused by: javax.net.ssl.SSLHandshakeException: Remote host closed > connection during handshake > > at com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.SSLSocketImpl.readRecord > (SSLSocketImpl.java:742) > > at > com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.SSLSocketImpl.performInitialHandshake > (SSLSocketImpl.java:1030) > > at com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.SSLSocketImpl.writeRecord > (SSLSocketImpl.java:622) > > at com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.AppOutputStream.write > (AppOutputStream.java:59) > > at java.io.BufferedOutputStream.flushBuffer > (BufferedOutputStream.java:65) > > at java.io.BufferedOutputStream.flush > (BufferedOutputStream.java:123) > > at java.io.DataOutputStream.flush(DataOutputStream.java:106) > > at sun.rmi.transport.tcp.TCPChannel.createConnection > (TCPChannel.java:198) > > ... 4 more > > Caused by: java.io.EOFException: SSL peer shut down incorrectly > > at com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.InputRecord.read > (InputRecord.java:333) > > at com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.SSLSocketImpl.readRecord > (SSLSocketImpl.java:723) > > ... 11 more > > > But, I am not 100% they are related. > > Any further thoughts? > > sccr13plyr, HP ASE (Of the OVMS flavor) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:17:49 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: OVMS NetBeans IDE Error Message-ID: Jur van der Burg wrote: > Two things: if the vms host has multiple network interfaces you need to > specify > the logical name IDE$HOST_IPNAME pointing to the interface to use, like > this: > > $ define/system ide$host_ipname "vmshost.example.com" > > Second, if you use netbeans over a vpn tunnel you must start the ide with > an option telling the application the ip address of the windows system, > so add this option to the shortcut starting the ide: > > -J-Djava.rmi.server.hostname=mywindowsbox.example.com > > Then it should work. Have you actualy tried it ? I have, with the active help from the OVMS NetBeans IDE maintiners at HP, still with no luck... Jave and rmi are very unfriendly for tunnels and > very sensitive to network setup. > > I did however not use netbeans, it needs either ftp access or a network > share > in the vms system. A network share can be done with Samba, but that's > far too > unstable to be of any serious use. And ftp does not cut it if you want to > work from multiple systems on the same project, like I tried to (work in > the > office and work on my system at home over a vpn tunnel). That gives so much > issues that I just use plain terminal serssions (lots of them). > > Fwiw, > > Jur. > > sccr13plyr@gmail.com wrote: >> On Nov 18, 1:06 pm, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob >> Koehler) wrote: >>> In article >>> <1162ca5f-c114-4ad0-829c-c6cb82ded...@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, >>> sccr13p...@gmail.com writes: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> Our System Admin recently installed the OpenVMS component for >>>> NetBeans. I installed NetBeans and the OVMS module on my machine. >>>> When I try to establish a connection with the remote IDE server, I get >>>> a popup with the error: >>>> error during JRMP connection establishment; nested exception is: >>>> javax.net.ssl.SSLHandshakeException: Remote host closed connection >>>> during handshake >>>> The sysadmin has been too busy to look at the issue right now, so I >>>> was curious if anyone around here might have some suggestions as to >>>> what the problem might be... >>>> TIA >>>> sccr13plyr >>> Since you have no data and we're just wild guessing here, I'd suspect >>> something in your LOGIN.COM on the remote server that the connection >>> doesn't expect.- Hide quoted text - >>> >>> - Show quoted text - >> >> Bob, >> >> Thank you for your response! I have provided pretty much the data I >> have. I was looking for someone who has installed and used the >> NetBeans IDE and perhaps had come across this error. If everyone who >> is using NetBeans has not seen this error, then I would assume that my >> friendly neighborhood admin has missed a setup step. >> >> As for the login.com, the NetBeans application connects to an IDE >> $SERVER daemon. It apparently uses my OVMS credentials for >> authentication somewhere along the road, but I don't think it is even >> getting that far (as putting in an invalid password or username does >> not change the error message). Even if it did, I had already changed >> the login to immediately exit as a safeguard. >> >> There is an IDE$SERVER log on the VMS box and this some addtional >> information: >> >> java.rmi.ConnectIOException: error during JRMP connection >> establishment; nested exception is: >> javax.net.ssl.SSLHandshakeException: Remote host closed >> connection during handshake >> >> at sun.rmi.transport.tcp.TCPChannel.createConnection >> (TCPChannel.java:273) >> >> at sun.rmi.transport.tcp.TCPChannel.newConnection >> (TCPChannel.java:171) >> >> at sun.rmi.server.UnicastRef.newCall(UnicastRef.java:306) >> >> at sun.rmi.registry.RegistryImpl_Stub.rebind(Unknown Source) >> >> at org.netbeans.modules.distributed.util.RMIMethodInvoker >> $1BindThread.run(Unknown Source) >> >> Caused by: javax.net.ssl.SSLHandshakeException: Remote host closed >> connection during handshake >> >> at com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.SSLSocketImpl.readRecord >> (SSLSocketImpl.java:742) >> >> at >> com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.SSLSocketImpl.performInitialHandshake >> (SSLSocketImpl.java:1030) >> >> at com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.SSLSocketImpl.writeRecord >> (SSLSocketImpl.java:622) >> >> at com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.AppOutputStream.write >> (AppOutputStream.java:59) >> >> at java.io.BufferedOutputStream.flushBuffer >> (BufferedOutputStream.java:65) >> >> at java.io.BufferedOutputStream.flush >> (BufferedOutputStream.java:123) >> >> at java.io.DataOutputStream.flush(DataOutputStream.java:106) >> >> at sun.rmi.transport.tcp.TCPChannel.createConnection >> (TCPChannel.java:198) >> >> ... 4 more >> >> Caused by: java.io.EOFException: SSL peer shut down incorrectly >> >> at com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.InputRecord.read >> (InputRecord.java:333) >> >> at com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.SSLSocketImpl.readRecord >> (SSLSocketImpl.java:723) >> >> ... 11 more >> >> >> But, I am not 100% they are related. >> >> Any further thoughts? >> >> sccr13plyr, HP ASE (Of the OVMS flavor) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:54:49 +0100 From: Jur van der Burg <"lddriver at digiater dot nl"> Subject: Re: OVMS NetBeans IDE Error Message-ID: <4923fe8a$0$200$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> > Have you actualy tried it ? Yes I have. And it works. I never got any response from HP, so I found th= is out myself after doing network traces trying to find out why the !@#$%^ thing did no= t work. Enter it as a parameter to netbeans, literally. No space between the -J a= nd -D. And watch out that if you run a tunnel that you use the ip address that y= our machine got from the tunnel server, if you use the real box's ip adress you go wr= ong too. This is the address it uses to setup a connection back to the vms host. That java rmi stuff really sucks (personal opinion). Jur. Jan-Erik S=F6derholm wrote: > Jur van der Burg wrote: >> Two things: if the vms host has multiple network interfaces you need=20 >> to specify >> the logical name IDE$HOST_IPNAME pointing to the interface to use,=20 >> like this: >> >> $ define/system ide$host_ipname "vmshost.example.com" >> >> Second, if you use netbeans over a vpn tunnel you must start the ide w= ith >> an option telling the application the ip address of the windows system= , >> so add this option to the shortcut starting the ide: >> >> -J-Djava.rmi.server.hostname=3Dmywindowsbox.example.com >> >> Then it should work. >=20 > Have you actualy tried it ? > I have, with the active help from the OVMS NetBeans IDE > maintiners at HP, still with no luck... >=20 >=20 > Jave and rmi are very unfriendly for tunnels and >> very sensitive to network setup. >> >> I did however not use netbeans, it needs either ftp access or a=20 >> network share >> in the vms system. A network share can be done with Samba, but that's = >> far too >> unstable to be of any serious use. And ftp does not cut it if you want= to >> work from multiple systems on the same project, like I tried to (work = >> in the >> office and work on my system at home over a vpn tunnel). That gives so= =20 >> much >> issues that I just use plain terminal serssions (lots of them). >> >> Fwiw, >> >> Jur. >> >> sccr13plyr@gmail.com wrote: >>> On Nov 18, 1:06 pm, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob >>> Koehler) wrote: >>>> In article=20 >>>> <1162ca5f-c114-4ad0-829c-c6cb82ded...@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,= =20 >>>> sccr13p...@gmail.com writes: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> Our System Admin recently installed the OpenVMS component for >>>>> NetBeans. I installed NetBeans and the OVMS module on my machine. >>>>> When I try to establish a connection with the remote IDE server, I = get >>>>> a popup with the error: >>>>> error during JRMP connection establishment; nested exception is: >>>>> javax.net.ssl.SSLHandshakeException: Remote host closed connection >>>>> during handshake >>>>> The sysadmin has been too busy to look at the issue right now, so I= >>>>> was curious if anyone around here might have some suggestions as to= >>>>> what the problem might be... >>>>> TIA >>>>> sccr13plyr >>>> Since you have no data and we're just wild guessing here, I'd=20 >>>> suspect >>>> something in your LOGIN.COM on the remote server that the connect= ion >>>> doesn't expect.- Hide quoted text - >>>> >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> >>> Bob, >>> >>> Thank you for your response! I have provided pretty much the data I >>> have. I was looking for someone who has installed and used the >>> NetBeans IDE and perhaps had come across this error. If everyone who= >>> is using NetBeans has not seen this error, then I would assume that m= y >>> friendly neighborhood admin has missed a setup step. >>> >>> As for the login.com, the NetBeans application connects to an IDE >>> $SERVER daemon. It apparently uses my OVMS credentials for >>> authentication somewhere along the road, but I don't think it is even= >>> getting that far (as putting in an invalid password or username does >>> not change the error message). Even if it did, I had already changed= >>> the login to immediately exit as a safeguard. >>> >>> There is an IDE$SERVER log on the VMS box and this some addtional >>> information: >>> >>> java.rmi.ConnectIOException: error during JRMP connection >>> establishment; nested exception is: >>> javax.net.ssl.SSLHandshakeException: Remote host closed >>> connection during handshake >>> >>> at sun.rmi.transport.tcp.TCPChannel.createConnection >>> (TCPChannel.java:273) >>> >>> at sun.rmi.transport.tcp.TCPChannel.newConnection >>> (TCPChannel.java:171) >>> >>> at sun.rmi.server.UnicastRef.newCall(UnicastRef.java:306) >>> >>> at sun.rmi.registry.RegistryImpl_Stub.rebind(Unknown Source) >>> >>> at org.netbeans.modules.distributed.util.RMIMethodInvoker >>> $1BindThread.run(Unknown Source) >>> >>> Caused by: javax.net.ssl.SSLHandshakeException: Remote host closed >>> connection during handshake >>> >>> at com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.SSLSocketImpl.readRecord >>> (SSLSocketImpl.java:742) >>> >>> at >>> com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.SSLSocketImpl.performInitialHandshake >>> (SSLSocketImpl.java:1030) >>> >>> at com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.SSLSocketImpl.writeRecord >>> (SSLSocketImpl.java:622) >>> >>> at com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.AppOutputStream.write >>> (AppOutputStream.java:59) >>> >>> at java.io.BufferedOutputStream.flushBuffer >>> (BufferedOutputStream.java:65) >>> >>> at java.io.BufferedOutputStream.flush >>> (BufferedOutputStream.java:123) >>> >>> at java.io.DataOutputStream.flush(DataOutputStream.java:106) >>> >>> at sun.rmi.transport.tcp.TCPChannel.createConnection >>> (TCPChannel.java:198) >>> >>> ... 4 more >>> >>> Caused by: java.io.EOFException: SSL peer shut down incorrectly >>> >>> at com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.InputRecord.read >>> (InputRecord.java:333) >>> >>> at com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.SSLSocketImpl.readRecord >>> (SSLSocketImpl.java:723) >>> >>> ... 11 more >>> >>> >>> But, I am not 100% they are related. >>> >>> Any further thoughts? >>> >>> sccr13plyr, HP ASE (Of the OVMS flavor) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:43:03 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: OVMS NetBeans IDE Error Message-ID: Jur van der Burg wrote: > > Have you actualy tried it ? > > Yes I have. And it works. I never got any response from HP, so I found > this out myself > after doing network traces trying to find out why the !@#$%^ thing did > not work. > Enter it as a parameter to netbeans, literally. No space between the -J > and -D. > And watch out that if you run a tunnel that you use the ip address that > your machine > got from the tunnel server, if you use the real box's ip adress you go > wrong too. This > is the address it uses to setup a connection back to the vms host. > > That java rmi stuff really sucks (personal opinion). > > Jur. OK. Was this using a NAT router at *one* of the ends ? That is, either at the client *or* the server end ? In my case the client was NAT'et at home and the server was NAT'ed at my office down-town, and I never got it to work over that link. Jan-Erik. > > Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: >> Jur van der Burg wrote: >>> Two things: if the vms host has multiple network interfaces you need >>> to specify >>> the logical name IDE$HOST_IPNAME pointing to the interface to use, >>> like this: >>> >>> $ define/system ide$host_ipname "vmshost.example.com" >>> >>> Second, if you use netbeans over a vpn tunnel you must start the ide >>> with >>> an option telling the application the ip address of the windows system, >>> so add this option to the shortcut starting the ide: >>> >>> -J-Djava.rmi.server.hostname=mywindowsbox.example.com >>> >>> Then it should work. >> >> Have you actualy tried it ? >> I have, with the active help from the OVMS NetBeans IDE >> maintiners at HP, still with no luck... >> >> >> Jave and rmi are very unfriendly for tunnels and >>> very sensitive to network setup. >>> >>> I did however not use netbeans, it needs either ftp access or a >>> network share >>> in the vms system. A network share can be done with Samba, but that's >>> far too >>> unstable to be of any serious use. And ftp does not cut it if you >>> want to >>> work from multiple systems on the same project, like I tried to (work >>> in the >>> office and work on my system at home over a vpn tunnel). That gives >>> so much >>> issues that I just use plain terminal serssions (lots of them). >>> >>> Fwiw, >>> >>> Jur. >>> >>> sccr13plyr@gmail.com wrote: >>>> On Nov 18, 1:06 pm, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob >>>> Koehler) wrote: >>>>> In article >>>>> <1162ca5f-c114-4ad0-829c-c6cb82ded...@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, >>>>> sccr13p...@gmail.com writes: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> Our System Admin recently installed the OpenVMS component for >>>>>> NetBeans. I installed NetBeans and the OVMS module on my machine. >>>>>> When I try to establish a connection with the remote IDE server, I >>>>>> get >>>>>> a popup with the error: >>>>>> error during JRMP connection establishment; nested exception is: >>>>>> javax.net.ssl.SSLHandshakeException: Remote host closed connection >>>>>> during handshake >>>>>> The sysadmin has been too busy to look at the issue right now, so I >>>>>> was curious if anyone around here might have some suggestions as to >>>>>> what the problem might be... >>>>>> TIA >>>>>> sccr13plyr >>>>> Since you have no data and we're just wild guessing here, I'd >>>>> suspect >>>>> something in your LOGIN.COM on the remote server that the >>>>> connection >>>>> doesn't expect.- Hide quoted text - >>>>> >>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>> >>>> Bob, >>>> >>>> Thank you for your response! I have provided pretty much the data I >>>> have. I was looking for someone who has installed and used the >>>> NetBeans IDE and perhaps had come across this error. If everyone who >>>> is using NetBeans has not seen this error, then I would assume that my >>>> friendly neighborhood admin has missed a setup step. >>>> >>>> As for the login.com, the NetBeans application connects to an IDE >>>> $SERVER daemon. It apparently uses my OVMS credentials for >>>> authentication somewhere along the road, but I don't think it is even >>>> getting that far (as putting in an invalid password or username does >>>> not change the error message). Even if it did, I had already changed >>>> the login to immediately exit as a safeguard. >>>> >>>> There is an IDE$SERVER log on the VMS box and this some addtional >>>> information: >>>> >>>> java.rmi.ConnectIOException: error during JRMP connection >>>> establishment; nested exception is: >>>> javax.net.ssl.SSLHandshakeException: Remote host closed >>>> connection during handshake >>>> >>>> at sun.rmi.transport.tcp.TCPChannel.createConnection >>>> (TCPChannel.java:273) >>>> >>>> at sun.rmi.transport.tcp.TCPChannel.newConnection >>>> (TCPChannel.java:171) >>>> >>>> at sun.rmi.server.UnicastRef.newCall(UnicastRef.java:306) >>>> >>>> at sun.rmi.registry.RegistryImpl_Stub.rebind(Unknown Source) >>>> >>>> at org.netbeans.modules.distributed.util.RMIMethodInvoker >>>> $1BindThread.run(Unknown Source) >>>> >>>> Caused by: javax.net.ssl.SSLHandshakeException: Remote host closed >>>> connection during handshake >>>> >>>> at com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.SSLSocketImpl.readRecord >>>> (SSLSocketImpl.java:742) >>>> >>>> at >>>> com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.SSLSocketImpl.performInitialHandshake >>>> (SSLSocketImpl.java:1030) >>>> >>>> at com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.SSLSocketImpl.writeRecord >>>> (SSLSocketImpl.java:622) >>>> >>>> at com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.AppOutputStream.write >>>> (AppOutputStream.java:59) >>>> >>>> at java.io.BufferedOutputStream.flushBuffer >>>> (BufferedOutputStream.java:65) >>>> >>>> at java.io.BufferedOutputStream.flush >>>> (BufferedOutputStream.java:123) >>>> >>>> at java.io.DataOutputStream.flush(DataOutputStream.java:106) >>>> >>>> at sun.rmi.transport.tcp.TCPChannel.createConnection >>>> (TCPChannel.java:198) >>>> >>>> ... 4 more >>>> >>>> Caused by: java.io.EOFException: SSL peer shut down incorrectly >>>> >>>> at com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.InputRecord.read >>>> (InputRecord.java:333) >>>> >>>> at com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.SSLSocketImpl.readRecord >>>> (SSLSocketImpl.java:723) >>>> >>>> ... 11 more >>>> >>>> >>>> But, I am not 100% they are related. >>>> >>>> Any further thoughts? >>>> >>>> sccr13plyr, HP ASE (Of the OVMS flavor) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:43:40 -0800 (PST) From: sccr13plyr@gmail.com Subject: Re: OVMS NetBeans IDE Error Message-ID: <36008c8e-2886-4a30-bd9e-8e5a33086c0b@k1g2000prb.googlegroups.com> All, Thank you for your responses! I will work with the system admin in regards to the network interfaces and potential NAT issue. I will post back if we resolve the issue or still have a problem. He has been very helpful! sccr13plyr ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:35:39 -0800 (PST) From: shadoooo Subject: Re: Seagate ST31051N on MicroVAX 3100 Message-ID: <2d9ce768-db83-41c0-91eb-b74d05e779b1@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com> On Nov 19, 2:01=A0am, Jeff Campbell wrote: > shadoooo wrote: > > I double checked with SCU the ARRE and ARWE, they are disabled. > > They have to be enabled for VMS. > > Jeff > > ----=3D=3D Posted via Pronews.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet = News=3D=3D----http://www.pronews.comThe #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! = >100,000 Newsgroups > ---=3D - Total Privacy via Encryption =3D--- I knew that the ARRE, ARWE should be disabled... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:50:41 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: SWB 1.1.10 -- New quirk? Message-ID: In article , cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) writes: > Several years back I had an opportunity to mention to various IT > managers here that Mozilla was supported on VMS. All of the comments > were like these: > > I thought VMS was dead. > I thought VMS was in maintenance mode. > I didn't know VMS was still being actively developed. > I didn't know open source software was being ported to VMS. > I didn't know GUI applications were still supported on VMS. > > The implication being that Mozilla support was a strong indication > to them that VMS was still being actively supported and developed. > I suspect that 99.9+% of IT managers who even know what VMS is > would have similar comments given HP's dead silence concerning VMS > to all but the few remaining faithful. Already back in 1997 I heard "Is that still legal?". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:46:20 -0500 From: "William Webb" Subject: Re: VMS, HP and the recession Message-ID: <8660a3a10811182346m5d853067y43ee2725594cea64@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 5:35 PM, JF Mezei w= rote: > Arne Vajh=F8j wrote: > >> HP has 320000 employees (per Wikipedia). >> >> A cut of 5-10% will mean 16000-32000 people. >> >> I have no idea about the size of VMS engineering, but >> I am pretty sure that it is completely insignificant >> compared to those numbers. > > > When rounds of cuts start, this high management guys with power > negotiate sweeter deals for their division in exchange for harsher cuts > in some other division. > > So Stallard might negotiate a 5% cut for his strategic disk array unit, > while having 35% cuts in the non strategic VMS (exageration here, just > to make the point) > > > Remember that HP's goal is to claim VMS is still being developped. > Whether 8.4 comes out in 2008, 2009 or 2010 doesn't really change HP's > abilities to claim VMS is still being developped. There is no > competition for VMS. > > But there is competition for wintel boxes and for ink, so making cuts in > those divisions would result in HP lagging behind competitors and losing > its #1 position. > > Obviously, if demand for PCs and ink drops and they now only need 2 > shifts at the assembly plants, then they can fire the 3rd shift. > Remember that HP's goal is to claim VMS is still being developped. Whether 8.4 comes out in 2008, 2009 or 2010 doesn't really change HP's abilities to claim VMS is still being developped. I'm tired of this shit, jf. I can't discuss what I saw, when, or why. What's planned for the future is nothing short of amazing. It blew me away= . WWWebb ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.627 ************************