INFO-VAX Sun, 26 Oct 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 579 Contents: Bell Labs closes Re: Bell Labs closes Re: Bell Labs closes Re: Enhancing DCL, was: Re: How do I add 2 letters to a long Re: History of the qio efn issue One Last Advanced Server Story? OT: newsgroups.comcast.net (was:Re: Who is left at VMS engineering ?) supported SCSI interfaces in a VMS cluster Re: Who is left at VMS engineering ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:15:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Rieck Subject: Bell Labs closes Message-ID: After 73 years, 6 Nobel prizes, and numerous inventions from transistors and lasers to fiber optics and cell phones (not to mention the UNIX operating system and the C programming language), Bell Labs is closing. What has happened to the sputnik society? http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/08/bell-labs-kills.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_labs Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/OpenVMS.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:29:04 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Bell Labs closes Message-ID: <00A81AEE.E5AB9B2F@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , Neil Rieck writes: >After 73 years, 6 Nobel prizes, and numerous inventions from >transistors and lasers to fiber optics and cell phones (not to mention >the UNIX operating system and the C programming language), Bell Labs >is closing. What has happened to the sputnik society? Of course, Unix and C were its downfall! ;) -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:48:30 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Bell Labs closes Message-ID: <00A81AF1.9CB1945E@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , Neil Rieck writes: >After 73 years, 6 Nobel prizes, and numerous inventions from >transistors and lasers to fiber optics and cell phones (not to mention >the UNIX operating system and the C programming language), Bell Labs >is closing. What has happened to the sputnik society? Most of my college professors were adjuncts from Bell Labs. One of my favorite professors was a Dr. Leonard Cimini from Bell Labs whom I had as professor for several information and communications theory classes when I was working on my MSEE at Monmouth. Hard to believe this news. I'd nominate the transistor as one of the MOST important and influential inventions/discoveries of the 20th cen- tury. Most all of us here on c.o.v would not be here today if it were not for the transistor, invented/discovered at Bell Labs. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 07:33:29 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Enhancing DCL, was: Re: How do I add 2 letters to a long Message-ID: <00A81A9B.B1C0DF63@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , Rob Brown writes: >On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 at 19:13 -0000, VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >> In article , Rob Brown writes: >>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 at 11:17 -0700, AEF wrote: >>> >>>> $ TYPE RECA.COM >>>> $ pipe recall/out=x.lis ! ; search x.lis sea >>>> $ @RECA >>>> $ DIR/SIZE X.LIS >>>> %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files found >>>> $ >>> >>> I don't remember all that has gone on in the past on this thread, but >>> as I recall RECALL/OUT in a command file does not create an output >>> file. It does not on Eisner and it does not on my 7.1 system. Did >>> anybody ever say that this had been made to work? >> >> I wrote a DCL program to do it. > >Yes, you said that on Thu, 23 Oct 2008 at 01:23 -0000, >VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG: > >> ... >> >> I copied a file to your EISNER account default. It is called: >> >> GET_COMMAND_LINE_RECALL.COM >> >> It uses SYMBOL (which is installed on EISNER) and gets the DCL >> command line recall info similar to RECALL/ALL. This procedure >> shows how easy it is to get this using DCL... > >It sounds to me like you are saying that you did not use the RECALL >command, but did something else that provides the same information. >Am I misunderstanding you? Correct! No RECALL/ALL but DCL code which walks through the DCL recall buffer to effect the same. >If not, then I stand by my previous statement: RECALL/OUT does not >work inside a command file. In fact I will expand my previous >statement and say that RECALL/ALL does not work either. It appears >that there is no recall buffer when you are in a command file that is >accessible by the RECALL command. Here is a demonstration on EISNER: > > $ show system/noproc > OpenVMS V8.3 on node EISNER ... > $ show time > 25-OCT-2008 23:39:15 > $ recall/all ! commands in recall buffer > 1 show time > 2 show system/noproc > $ @tt: ! start a command file > _$ recall/all ! recall buffer is empty! > _$ show time ! do a command > 25-OCT-2008 23:39:32 > _$ recall/all ! recall buffer is still empty! > _$ Exit > $ show time > 25-OCT-2008 23:40:00 > $ recall/all ! outside of command file there are > 1 show time ! commands in the recall buffer > 2 @tt: ! but not what I did inside the command > 3 show time ! file > 4 show system/noproc > >So if you used the DCL RECALL command in GET_COMMAND_LINE_RECALL.COM, >I would sure like to know what the difference is between what you are >doing and what I am doing. I've copied the command procedure to your default directory on EISNER. The procedure uses my SYMBOL program to obtain some values for several system constants but you could look them up and hard-code them. Using SYMBOL only eliminates having to do the lookup for each release of VMS. I'd love to post the procedure here but I won't; I will explain why not on EISNER. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:39:36 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: History of the qio efn issue Message-ID: IanMiller writes: >If you are really curious you can look though the listings for use of >event flag 129 That's interesting. Routines like SETEF have additional parameters for it that aren't used for any other EF. (And if you don't specify them, it assumes you made an error supplying a bad event flag number and returns SS$_ILLEFC instead of something like BADPARAM) It's used for threads. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:48:30 GMT From: D Gillbilly Subject: One Last Advanced Server Story? Message-ID: <49057381.583387828@news.aliant.net> One Last Advanced Server Story? Investigating some issues with Advanced Server led me to find some hostile domain admins to be causing the server performance problem. Caught with their computers trying to get into the OpenVMS cookie jar, the admins successfully argued: "It looks like NT. It acts like NT. But it doesn't behave like NT." I tried to argue that this might actually be a good thing. Not surprisingly, I lost. Maybe I should have let them hack the server. Now they get to choose between ftp and manual data entry? If you can't break the system, pissing off the users always works. Someday I am going to have to take the time and collect up some material to support my position. Selling OpenVMS on merit alone just doesn't seem to work. I hope I did not give anyone the impression that SELLING OpenVMS is easy. But it sure is fun to defend. I still manage to smile (and learn) more in defeat then they do in victory. Goodbye Advanced Server. ---- And Helloooo Samba. What Yin takes, Yang gives back. :-) I have been having fun learning and testing Samba. Never knowing if what I was doing was right or wrong and unable to know if I was correctly verifying the results (or even getting correct results), led to some very interesting test sessions. I have been driving our nosey bling-bling-dows server crazy. (I am working with an untrusted domain that it can see) It watches as I test Samba, trying to figure out what I am doing and I don't think it likes what it sees. I am pretty sure that some issues with that server are related to me! Hey, I didn't know my test was going to knock it off the air. (but I did know that verifying my result would :-) And now I have an Admin Guide!!! A new look, in the Vendor "Your Part Of The Family" font to boot! With examples, explanations and suggestions of more to come!! There even is a ( still weak ) configuration tool that is helping me to more quickly get up to speed. Make SWAT strong! Just a loonies worth ($1.00 CDN $0.782718 USD (2008.10.26 12:51:19 UTC)) Duane --- And I wonder if that proprietary open source initiative is going to work out? Does anybody actually read what they are typing into some of their newer OpenVMS only documents? Interesting times indeed. Oh and a happy belated birthday. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 08:31:01 -0500 From: BRAD@rabbit.turquoisewitch.com (Brad Hamilton) Subject: OT: newsgroups.comcast.net (was:Re: Who is left at VMS engineering ?) Message-ID: In article <3eudnZAZ2IUbymPVnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@comcast.com>, Richard B. Gilbert wrote: [...] >I might be among the missing soon! > >Comcast has decided it does not want to provide access to newsgroups as >part of "High Speed Internet" service. They want me to get it from some >third party for more money! > >It DOES seem like a conspiracy! OK - here it is, day one after Comcast was supposed to disable newsgroup access, and here I am, still posting... I don't have a Giganews subscription (the only way that Comcast subscribers are supposed to remain unaffected by the change). So for now, Richard, it looks "safe" to continue using Comcast for newsgroup posting. Better have a backup, though, just in case... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:08:32 -0700 (PDT) From: H Vlems Subject: supported SCSI interfaces in a VMS cluster Message-ID: Last month I bought five KZPCM-DX SCSI adapters. Three of them are in use and work wel under both VMS V8.3 and V7.3-2 in Alpha Server 1200's and Digital Server 5305. This afternoon the idea of forming a VMS cluster with two 1200's came up. I read the manual on configuring OpenVMS clusters for scalability (V8.3 kit), especially appendix A. The KZPCM is not listed as a supported SCSI interface. Questions that I have: - the manual doesn't mention the KZPCM at all, perhaps it is supported to connect to a common SCSI bus? - if not supported, will it work (after all this is a hobbyist environment)? - if it's not supported and won't work, what's the reason? Hans ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:09:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Rieck Subject: Re: Who is left at VMS engineering ? Message-ID: <6c77490c-50c3-40d6-992b-3331201f3017@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On Oct 21, 4:14=A0pm, JF Mezei wrote: > I get the feeling we are in some Star Trek episode where the crew, one > by one, disapears without any sound/noise and it isn't until someone > does a head count or tries to contact a crew member that they notice he > is no longer aboard. > > Anyone else having similar feelings ? > > Or is it truly just a case of the formely regular posters to COV no > longer participating here ? You are correct that there are fewer people working in OpenVMS engineering. On the flip side, I am in private contact with some OpenVMS developers and maintainers who toldf me they never post here because of the constant bickering and negativity. One HP employee told me that the "comp" in "comp.os.vms" stands for "complain" and sometimes I agree with them. Lets hope those same "non posters" are still lurking. Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/OpenVMS.html ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.579 ************************