INFO-VAX Thu, 09 Oct 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 545 Contents: Re: Elvis is dead - get over it! Re: media of old VMS versions Re: mounting USB Sandisk Re: New LaserJet fun (or upward compatibility? What is that?) Re: New LaserJet fun (or upward compatibility? What is that?) Re: New LaserJet fun (or upward compatibility? What is that?) Re: New LaserJet fun (or upward compatibility? What is that?) Re: New LaserJet fun (or upward compatibility? What is that?) Re: printer recommendation for hobbyist cluster Re: printer recommendation for hobbyist cluster Re: printer recommendation for hobbyist cluster Re: printer recommendation for hobbyist cluster Starting a CDE session over SSH? Re: Starting a CDE session over SSH? Re: Trying to contact the Hoff (and I dont mean Hasselhoff) Re: VMS news reader Re: VMS news reader Re: VMS news reader Re: VMS news reader ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:25:11 -0700 (PDT) From: PR Subject: Re: Elvis is dead - get over it! Message-ID: <355b41ea-08b9-4a37-873d-a72620a8881d@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com> On Oct 8, 7:46=A0am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > In article <871eaafc-2d55-41cd-82c2-cd1f9882b...@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.= com>, > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PR writes: > > > > > On Oct 5, 4:53=A0am, "Richard Maher" > > wrote: > >> Hi Michael, > > >> > Then why do you bother with VMS at all? > > >> 'cos it's the best server on the planet you fucking idiot! > > >> If only the incompetent, self-serving, vms-appologists at HP would ope= n the > >> flood-gates and let the users *INTEGRATE* their VMS apps with this > >> feature-rich, cheap, ubiquitous, full-function client platform(s) then= maybe > >> we might get somewhere? > > >> Regards Richard Maher > > >> "Michael Kraemer" wrote in message > > >>news:gc9spk$1lc$00$1@news.t-online.com... > > >> > Richard Maher schrieb: > > >> > > Personally, I love FireFox and Firebug! I love Flex (and FlexBuild= er)! I > >> > > love .NET (a bit less)! Silverlight is getting better! I love Java > >> Applets! > >> > > (and the new 1.6_10 jnlp deployment options) I love Chrome's Appli= cation > >> > > Launch shortcuts! I love HTML/DOM/Javascript! I love the price of > >> laptops, > >> > > PCs and Macs! I have no problem with Windows! *And so do the users= !* > > >> > Then why do you bother with VMS at all? > > Amen brother =A00 thou do preach to the choir! > > I've said it before and I will say it yet again, from a dead zero > > start, I've put in five VMS installations in a little less than a > > year, including the time to convert the darn software, spec out RX26xx > > servers, install em, and even - get this - > > *get paid!* > > If 100 more people would get out there and evangelize VMS, a whole > > hell of a lot of GOOD things would happen. > > Yeah, that will be great great for youyr career. =A0I did it here for > years and I can still hear then snickering when I walk by in the hall > as they whisper to each other, "There goes our resident dinosaur". > I just recently had someone visiting the department on business look > at my Storageworks Cabinet and comment on it's obsoleteness. > I don't get laughed at, though people are often laughing with me. Especially customers who get what they need at a price that is fair and affordable. Most especially when we have figured out a way to outsmart the "common wisdom". Who needs "common" wisdom anyway? That just pretty much means you are running with the herd - not that you are doing things "right". > > It is a GREAT server, and affordable. > > How is VMS more affordable than Windows? =A0We pay something like $300-60= 0 > a year and can run any and as much MS Server software as we want. =A0No d= oubt > it's a great server, but technical superiority has never been a requireme= nt > in this industry. > Even with educational discounts, I fail to see how your $600 per person works. And it *certainly* does not work for business, where discounts are more in the 20 to 30 percent range on "market priced" Microsoft products. Windows Vista or XP, A Windows Server license, a Windows Server CAL, and Exchange CAL, a Terminal Services CAL, MS Office license, AntiVirus license, and custom software license. I can put a small VMS system, and MacOS on the desktops (or LInux), in a site and make it all work for a heck of a lot less than the cost of Windos. At least in the vertical markets where I sell my software. And it makes a hell of a difference the the bottom line in a small business - a concept foreign indeed to some of your colleagues in academia. I will grant you that in large business settings, there are other operators that come into play and make it difficult to move in VMS and phase out Winders, but those factors are not present at all in the SMB world, and melt away in the face of hard cold facts in most rational large businesses. VMS is far from dead, it is easily sold into the right markets, and far from being ignored by HP sales reps. It is often not promoted because they do not understand it, nor do they have any idea how to evaluate it in a business situation. Ignorance like that, is easily corrected. The expertise and support *is* available from HP. Don't get me wrong, VMS is far from perfect, and in some ways, the existence of the hobbyist world is holding VMS back from being embraced by the business world. It *is* kinda cool to watch something old world, like a PDP-11 or a MicroVAX. But it is not presenting a great face to the potential buyers. YMMV. -Paul > bill > > -- > Bill Gunshannon =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0| =A0de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. = =A0Three wolves > billg...@cs.scranton.edu | =A0and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton =A0 | > Scranton, Pennsylvania =A0 | =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 #include = =A0 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:05:44 -0700 (PDT) From: H Vlems Subject: Re: media of old VMS versions Message-ID: On 8 okt, 19:29, shadoooo wrote: > Hello! > I'm an enthusiast of retrocomputing, especially of big/large machines. > Recently I acquired my first VAX machines, a 4000-100A and a 3100/20 > (no frame buffer). > The 4000 works good (except a problem with the cache, that has to be > disabled) and has VMS 5.5 installed. I managed to reset the system > passwd and to start to learn about. I did a backup of the disk on DAT > tape and found that the licenses installed are good and working, good > thing! Unfortunately I don't have an installation media for thie > version of VMS. > The 3100 has some problem to boot the OS. Thre disks (two RZ23) seems > to work, but if I boot it, only the first row of text presenting VMS > 5.3 appears, then the system seems to search something on all other > SCSI devices connected, in sequence, until an HALT error appears... > I tried to do a conversational boot, putting the system to "MIN" and > to enable the step-by-step log, but again nothing happens. > The idea is to reinstall the same OS in this machine (I have also 7.3, > but it's too big for this disks and RAM amount, I think), so basically > is a bootable an installation media on some kind of support, to > reinstall VMS 5.3. As far as I know, this version is no more available > around for an affordable "collector" price, > so my question is if it is possible to receive by internet an image or > something like it, in way I can use SIMH and then DD to create a DAT > tape to boot the machine from. > I think I should already have licence also for it, inside the disk of > the 3100 (as is for the 4000). > Is it a praticable idea? There's some other way to try to recover the > machine? > Thanks You can boot the 3100 via ethernet off the system disk of the 4000-100A. If you have a CDrom drive on it, boot V7.3 from cd and mount the RZ23's manually Look for dkannn:[000000...]LMF$LICENSE.LDB (where nnn is the device id). Next: $ def/sys LMF$LICENSE DKAnnn:[]LMF$LICENSE.LDB so that you can use lic list * /full for the licenses If you want to save them, use $ license/issue/procedure/out= * Hans ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:32:03 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: mounting USB Sandisk Message-ID: <48ED6D23.6E398274@spam.comcast.net> Malcolm Dunnett wrote: > > forrret.kenney@hp.com_nospam wrote: > > "Tom Linden" wrote in message > > news:op.uiat9kr2hv4qyg@murphus.hsd1.ca.comcast.net... > >> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 05:56:04 -0700, forrret.kenney@hp.com_nospam > >> wrote: > >> > >>> "Tom Linden" wrote in message > >>> news:op.uh9n7fiyhv4qyg@murphus.hsd1.ca.comcast.net... > >>>> I initialized /gpt on a RX2620 runing 1H1 and mounted it with > >>>> /cluster, but it only gets mounted on that box. Why? > >>>> > >>> There are capabilities needed for MSCP serving that are not in the > >>> driver. > >> Any plans to do so? BTW, what is the transfer rate on USB? > > > > No to the MSCP question. > > Apparently shadowing doesn't work either. I tried shadowing a couple > of external 500GB drives (HP Personal Media drives). The first drive > mounted and worked ok, but the system crashed when I tried to add the > second drive to the shadowset(exception above ASTDEL). I also found that > dismounting the single member shadowset would crash the system. Question: Might you try using LDDRIVER to "shield" DSDRIVER from the weirdnesses of USB? Specifically, I'm suggesting using LD CONNECT to specify a block range from the USB devices, then INIT the LD devices and shadow them instead of the "raw" USB device. Working from (admittedly defective) memory here - my V7.3-2 system is not currently booted/-able. D.J.D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:11:12 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: New LaserJet fun (or upward compatibility? What is that?) Message-ID: <48ed22b5$0$9640$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Just a sideline note/question: Is this the "PC" mentality that it is OK to go proprietary when it is Windows, but not OK when it is something else ? Postscript is the one fully documented and stable and upwards compatible printing language and has been for decades now. And while it is owned by Adobe and technically proprietary, the language is fully documented and easily available in books etc. If you're going to be developping business applications, do businesses really think about the impact of going "cheaper" PCL vs going with quality long term postscript ? And since PCL is inferior to postscript, and since postscript allows far more flexibility and thus makes is more productive for programmers to design forms and other postcript programs, it should have been easy to justify the extra cost of a printer vs the extra cost of programmers (especially since PCL keeps changing). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:20:02 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: New LaserJet fun (or upward compatibility? What is that?) Message-ID: <6u9Hk.3171$U5.17735@newsb.telia.net> JF Mezei wrote: > Just a sideline note/question: > > Is this the "PC" mentality that it is OK to go proprietary when it is > Windows, but not OK when it is something else ? > > Postscript is the one fully documented and stable and upwards compatible > printing language and has been for decades now. And while it is owned by > Adobe and technically proprietary, And has license costs if you want to include a "interpreter" in your printer, not ? > the language is fully documented and > easily available in books etc. > > If you're going to be developping business applications, do businesses > really think about the impact of going "cheaper" PCL vs going with > quality long term postscript ? It's, as far as I've seen, far easier to write PCL-commands then Postscript code. In particular if you're "just" including some PCL commands in your otherwise text-only reports. > And since PCL is inferior to postscript,... Says who? Maybe in some ways. Not in other ways... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:40:25 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: New LaserJet fun (or upward compatibility? What is that?) Message-ID: <48ED6F19.9423035F@spam.comcast.net> Rich Jordan wrote: > > Just a note if any of you are still spec'ing LaserJet printers for use > on VMS systems. [snip] Well, yes, with caveats. First and foremost, of course, is - it's HP. Strike one. Secondly, be careful of some newer LaserJets which offload some of the rendering to the host and contain only a very basic and limited engine / processor. Strike two. Thirdly, if you're getting into color printing, expect the HP units to ship with "sample" size toner cart.'s, while full-size or extended life toners can exceed the cost of the printer itself by as much as a factor of two. Strike three. HP's out - again! D.J.D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:00:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Weaver Subject: Re: New LaserJet fun (or upward compatibility? What is that?) Message-ID: <89243b9d-8800-4927-b946-415125a93eae@v13g2000pro.googlegroups.com> >... > At the same time, the HP developer website that was supposed to > provide links to the various PCL5/PCL6 specs and docs has apparently > been lobotomized. =A0All my searches ended up going to dead pages or to > the hp.com pages with the PCL5 docs; nothing on PCL6. =A0If anyone knows > where the PCL6 developer or spec docs are I'd appreciate a heads-up. >... According to http://www.maths.usyd.edu.au/u/psz/ps.html the PCL 6 manual was at http://www.hpdevelopersolutions.com/downloads/64/358/xl_ref20= r22.pdf, so a search for xl_ref20r22.pdf gives http://www.fea.unicamp.br/pclcount/do= cs/xl_ref20r22.pdf. A quick glance at it tells me that I am glad I never had to get into PCL 6. The page http://www.piclist.com/techref/language/pcl/6.htm has a couple of corrections/comments for the examples in the manual. Peter Weaver www.weaverconsulting.ca www.openvmsvirtualization.com www.vaxvirtualization.com www.alphavirtualization.com Winner of the 2007 OpenVMS.org Readers' Choice Award for System Management/Performance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:40:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: New LaserJet fun (or upward compatibility? What is that?) Message-ID: <86437192-dfc3-48f8-bf20-58a0233671e7@u27g2000pro.googlegroups.com> On Oct 8, 1:00=A0pm, Peter Weaver wrote: > >... > > At the same time, the HP developer website that was supposed to > > provide links to the various PCL5/PCL6 specs and docs has apparently > > been lobotomized. =A0All my searches ended up going to dead pages or to > > the hp.com pages with the PCL5 docs; nothing on PCL6. =A0If anyone know= s > > where the PCL6 developer or spec docs are I'd appreciate a heads-up. > >... > > According tohttp://www.maths.usyd.edu.au/u/psz/ps.htmlthe PCL 6 > manual was athttp://www.hpdevelopersolutions.com/downloads/64/358/xl_ref2= 0r22.pdf, > so a search for xl_ref20r22.pdf giveshttp://www.fea.unicamp.br/pclcount/d= ocs/xl_ref20r22.pdf. > A quick glance at it tells me that I am glad I never had to get into > PCL 6. The pagehttp://www.piclist.com/techref/language/pcl/6.htmhas > a couple of corrections/comments for the examples in the manual. > > Peter Weaverwww.weaverconsulting.ca=A0www.openvmsvirtualization.comwww.va= xvirtualization.com=A0www.alphavirtualization.com > Winner of the 2007 OpenVMS.org Readers' Choice Award for System > Management/Performance Peter, thanks for the links. I think we'll still replace these printers but if we have to we can at least try some format mods to get things working. Rich ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:24:32 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: printer recommendation for hobbyist cluster Message-ID: Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: >> I have no printer in my hobbyist cluster (VAX and ALPHA, nothing very >> new). I would like to have one. The minimum would be a printer which >> would print plain text as well as PostScript. These days, it should >> also be possible to print a PDF file on it. Another requirement would >> be the ability for a web browser to print a given page (not sure how >> this works behind the scenes). Colour would be nice, but I could live >> with black and white if colour is going to cost me a lot more (in >> initial costs or in maintenance). >> I don't care how it is connected up, as long as it can be. (Serial? >> Parallel? Network?) An added plus would be the ability for non-VMS >> stuff on the LAN to use it as well (presumably this would imply a >> network connection). >> >> 300 DPI should be enough, but 600 (or even more) would be nice. >> >> Can I buy some new printer off the shelf in any old shop? >> >> What new HP printers would fit the bill? >> >> What used DEC/Compaq/HP printers would fit the bill? >> >> To save paper, the ability to print double-sided would be nice. >> >> A4 is the only size I need. >> >> If anyone has such a printer to give away or sell cheap in Europe, let >> me know and I'll see if I can come and get it. >> > > Now, *many* of your points would be answered by reading some > sales material... ;-) > > I use a HP LaserJet P2015n as noted in a another thread. > PCL5, PCL6 and Postscript. It "works". I also have a > HP Color Laserjet 2600n on my office LAN, but not setup from my > VMS box yet, but I see no reason why that should be any problem. > > I've used the n-up feature of DCPS to print 2-page pages of COBOL > source code on the P2015n, nice... > > I guess that a printer with a builtin LAN interface is what > most would use today. > > With todays prices on laser printers I see no reason to > look for used/old stuff. Newer printers always have nice > builtin setup web pages which makes them realy easy to > work with. And of course you use a PC browser to do that... > > Jan-Erik. Correction ! HP printers (of any type) using *host-based* rendering (such as the cheaper Color LJ's) are of course not supported on VMS or anything else then Windows (and maybe some Mac's)... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:23:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken.Fairfield@gmail.com Subject: Re: printer recommendation for hobbyist cluster Message-ID: On Oct 8, 12:20=A0pm, hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig--- remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote: > In article , > =3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=3DF6derholm?=3D > writes: > > > Now, *many* of your points would be answered by reading some > > sales material... ;-) > > Perhaps, but even quite old, used printers might be an option for me. > Also, "Will it work with VMS?" is a question the sales literature > probably doesn't answer. > > > With todays prices on laser printers I see no reason to > > look for used/old stuff. Newer printers always have nice > > builtin setup web pages which makes them realy easy to > > work with. And of course you use a PC browser to do that... > > I would use CSWB on an ALPHA! Then to shorten what Jan-Erik was saying, look through the DCPS documentation for supported printers and get one of those. That will address everything you asked for except the pdf printing (which I think Xpdf would address) and which specific models do duplex printing. I'd definitely network-attached high on the list of required features. I'll also note the current versions of DCPS are much easier to use with "unsupported" printers, e.g., newer models... -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:12:22 -0400 From: "William Webb" Subject: Re: printer recommendation for hobbyist cluster Message-ID: <8660a3a10810081812w32fc0511vde3d73dc124d793c@mail.gmail.com> ------=_Part_27206_30296334.1223514742850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 5:23 PM, wrote: > On Oct 8, 12:20 pm, hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig--- > remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote: > > In article , > > =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= > > writes: > > > > > Now, *many* of your points would be answered by reading some > > > sales material... ;-) > > > > Perhaps, but even quite old, used printers might be an option for me. > > Also, "Will it work with VMS?" is a question the sales literature > > probably doesn't answer. > > > > > With todays prices on laser printers I see no reason to > > > look for used/old stuff. Newer printers always have nice > > > builtin setup web pages which makes them realy easy to > > > work with. And of course you use a PC browser to do that... > > > > I would use CSWB on an ALPHA! > > Then to shorten what Jan-Erik was saying, look through > the DCPS documentation for supported printers and get > one of those. That will address everything you asked for > except the pdf printing (which I think Xpdf would address) > and which specific models do duplex printing. I'd definitely > network-attached high on the list of required features. > > I'll also note the current versions of DCPS are much easier > to use with "unsupported" printers, e.g., newer models... > > -Ken > I've used LaserJet Series IIs, LaserJet IIIs, IVs and 5si with no problem. Of course, the older you go, the more the toner cartridges seem to cost. WWWebb ------=_Part_27206_30296334.1223514742850 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline


On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 5:23 PM, <Ken.Fairfield@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 8, 12:20 pm, hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---
remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:
> In article <UG6Hk.3160$U5.17...@newsb.telia.net>,
> =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= <jan-erik.soderh...@telia.com>
> writes:
>
> > Now, *many* of your points would be answered by reading some
> > sales material... ;-)
>
> Perhaps, but even quite old, used printers might be an option for me.
> Also, "Will it work with VMS?" is a question the sales literature
> probably doesn't answer.
>
> > With todays prices on laser printers I see no reason to
> > look for used/old stuff. Newer printers always have nice
> > builtin setup web pages which makes them realy easy to
> > work with. And of course you use a PC browser to do that...
>
> I would use CSWB on an ALPHA!

Then to shorten what Jan-Erik was saying, look through
the DCPS documentation for supported printers and get
one of those.  That will address everything you asked for
except the pdf printing (which I think Xpdf would address)
and which specific models do duplex printing.  I'd definitely
network-attached high on the list of required features.

I'll also note the current versions of DCPS are much easier
to use with "unsupported" printers, e.g., newer models...

   -Ken
 
I've used LaserJet Series IIs, LaserJet IIIs, IVs and 5si with no problem.
 
Of course, the older you go, the more the toner cartridges seem to cost.
 
WWWebb
------=_Part_27206_30296334.1223514742850-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 04:07:23 GMT From: John Santos Subject: Re: printer recommendation for hobbyist cluster Message-ID: <%rfHk.1646$yI6.466@nwrddc01.gnilink.net> Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: > Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: > >> Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: >> >>> I have no printer in my hobbyist cluster (VAX and ALPHA, nothing very >>> new). I would like to have one. The minimum would be a printer which >>> would print plain text as well as PostScript. These days, it should >>> also be possible to print a PDF file on it. Another requirement would >>> be the ability for a web browser to print a given page (not sure how >>> this works behind the scenes). Colour would be nice, but I could live >>> with black and white if colour is going to cost me a lot more (in >>> initial costs or in maintenance). >>> I don't care how it is connected up, as long as it can be. (Serial? >>> Parallel? Network?) An added plus would be the ability for non-VMS >>> stuff on the LAN to use it as well (presumably this would imply a >>> network connection). >>> >>> 300 DPI should be enough, but 600 (or even more) would be nice. >>> >>> Can I buy some new printer off the shelf in any old shop? >>> >>> What new HP printers would fit the bill? >>> >>> What used DEC/Compaq/HP printers would fit the bill? >>> >>> To save paper, the ability to print double-sided would be nice. >>> >>> A4 is the only size I need. >>> >>> If anyone has such a printer to give away or sell cheap in Europe, >>> let me know and I'll see if I can come and get it. >>> >> >> Now, *many* of your points would be answered by reading some >> sales material... ;-) >> >> I use a HP LaserJet P2015n as noted in a another thread. >> PCL5, PCL6 and Postscript. It "works". I also have a >> HP Color Laserjet 2600n on my office LAN, but not setup from my >> VMS box yet, but I see no reason why that should be any problem. >> >> I've used the n-up feature of DCPS to print 2-page pages of COBOL >> source code on the P2015n, nice... >> >> I guess that a printer with a builtin LAN interface is what >> most would use today. >> >> With todays prices on laser printers I see no reason to >> look for used/old stuff. Newer printers always have nice >> builtin setup web pages which makes them realy easy to >> work with. And of course you use a PC browser to do that... >> >> Jan-Erik. > > > Correction ! > HP printers (of any type) using *host-based* rendering (such > as the cheaper Color LJ's) are of course not supported on VMS > or anything else then Windows (and maybe some Mac's)... Maybe things have changed recently, but I got a deskjet 5550 free with my Mac PowerBook (about 5 years ago, can that be?) which works fine with my VMS systems... I have it plugged the USB port on my Airport wifi router, and print to it using TCPware's telnet printer symbiont on port 9100 of the router, using a device control library we wrote many years ago for a laserjet 3D. Just simple stuff, mostly plain text, but it works. Can't get cheaper than "free". :-) -- John Santos Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:58:16 -0700 (PDT) From: sampsal@gmail.com Subject: Starting a CDE session over SSH? Message-ID: Is this possible? I've got X forwarding enabled and running individual programs works (e.g. CREATE/TERM) but I can't figure out how to start a full CDE session, I've tried running DTSESSION.EXE but nothing happens aside from some font messages like these ones: X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "-dt-interface user-medium-r- normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" to type FontStruct X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-Menu-Medium-R-Normal-- *-120-*-*-P-*-ISO8859-1" to type FontStruct X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "-dt-interface user-medium-r- normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" to type FontStruct X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-Menu-Medium-R-Normal-- *-120-*-*-P-*-ISO8859-1" to type FontStruct I've seen similar messages when running say the graphical MAIL client so I assume they're not the problem. Sampsa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 07:16:02 +0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kari_Uusim=E4ki?= Subject: Re: Starting a CDE session over SSH? Message-ID: <48ed8583$0$25380$9b536df3@news.fv.fi> sampsal@gmail.com wrote: > Is this possible? I've got X forwarding enabled and running individual > programs works (e.g. CREATE/TERM) but I can't figure out how to start > a full CDE session, I've tried running DTSESSION.EXE but nothing > happens aside from some font messages like these ones: > > X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "-dt-interface user-medium-r- > normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" to type FontStruct > X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-Menu-Medium-R-Normal-- > *-120-*-*-P-*-ISO8859-1" to type FontStruct > X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "-dt-interface user-medium-r- > normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" to type FontStruct > X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-Menu-Medium-R-Normal-- > *-120-*-*-P-*-ISO8859-1" to type FontStruct > > I've seen similar messages when running say the graphical MAIL client > so I assume they're not the problem. > > Sampsa > Have you configured your X-emulator to make the request to your VMS host? Regards, Kari ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:34:32 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Trying to contact the Hoff (and I dont mean Hasselhoff) Message-ID: <48ED6DB8.BDCF891F@spam.comcast.net> DaveG wrote: > > On Oct 7, 12:25 pm, Baxt...@tessco.com wrote: > > Hoff, > > Went to your site (HoffmanLabs.org) and hit the "Contact Us" > > button. Unfortunately, there is no contact information there. > > Can you send me some contact info by e-mail? (see my profile) > > > > Dave > > If you complete the "Contact Us" portion on Hoff's site, he'll get > back to you, usually quickly. > > He doesn't spend a whole lot of time here anymore. I think he > misplaced his foil hat. ;-) Apparently, Hoff lurks here at least occasionally - he has responded privately to some of my posts. D.J.D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:12:57 -0700 (PDT) From: H Vlems Subject: Re: VMS news reader Message-ID: <7564229e-7b0c-4af2-86d3-d91e049fb358@v30g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> On 8 okt, 13:23, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article , hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phi= llip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: > > >In article <48ebdfa1$0$12363$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei > > writes: > > >> It is very memory hungry, and you want to give yourself some inordinat= e > >> amount of PGFILQUOTA like 1 gig. Also, some newsgroups with very long > >> names may not work under VMS when the software tries to create its own > >> files. (comp.os.vms is nowhere near the limit, but some newsgroup name= s > >> are extremely long (like the one about the hamster and ducttape) > > >As long as alt.sex.fetish.dec-hardware is not too long, you should be > >OK! =A0:-) > > What about alt.binaries.erotica.fetish.dec-hardware.unibus.flip-chip? > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker =A0 =A0 =A0VAXman(at)TME= SIS(dot)COM > > ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional prote= ction > no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (= NJSC) > > Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. =A0Publication of _this_ usenet article = outside > of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copy= right > notice, disclaimer and quotations. No no impossible, not enough diskspace to store pictures of those large boards ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:05:41 -0700 (PDT) From: H Vlems Subject: Re: VMS news reader Message-ID: On 8 okt, 20:31, "Bart Z. Lederman" wrote: > I've tried a number of news readers on OpenVMS. > > For groups where you want to retrieve all new articles on > a regular basis and would like to automate the process, > NEWSRDR is the best I've found. =A0It can be set up > to run in a BATCH job that can be self-resubmitting. > > For on-line reading, I liked MXRN the best when I had > DECwindows / Xwindows available. =A0It's the easiest > reader to use that I've seen, and has quite a few good > features. =A0It doesn't always handle extracting binary > encoded files very well, though. > > If you come from the Unix / Linux world, there is a port > of slrn that runs on OpenVMS. =A0I've used it, and it works > reasonably well. =A0I find the user interface to be rather > peculiar and non-intuitive, but that might be because my > background is more VMS than Unix. =A0It does work, and > can be made to do some good things. =A0It's also supposed > to be possible to mark articles you're interested in, and > automate the downloading of them at a later time, but I > never put in much effort to see if that works. > > I've used Netscape/Mozilla to read news, and it's > comperable to MXRN, but I found MXRN to be much > easier to use, and easier to set up and edit the > KILL files than Mozilla. > > The final decision will probably be which user interface > you like the most. > > Bart My choice is rather based on familiarity with the VMS platform. I found NEWSRDR on the freeware 6 cd so decided to install that. However I can't seem to get it started though. Where do I find MXRN? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:34:33 -0600 From: Jeff Campbell Subject: Re: VMS news reader Message-ID: <1223508493_3620@isp.n> H Vlems wrote: > On 8 okt, 13:23, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> In article , hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: >> >>> In article <48ebdfa1$0$12363$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei >>> writes: >>>> It is very memory hungry, and you want to give yourself some inordinate >>>> amount of PGFILQUOTA like 1 gig. Also, some newsgroups with very long >>>> names may not work under VMS when the software tries to create its own >>>> files. (comp.os.vms is nowhere near the limit, but some newsgroup names >>>> are extremely long (like the one about the hamster and ducttape) >>> As long as alt.sex.fetish.dec-hardware is not too long, you should be >>> OK! :-) >> What about alt.binaries.erotica.fetish.dec-hardware.unibus.flip-chip? >> >> -- >> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >> >> ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection >> no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) >> >> Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside >> of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright >> notice, disclaimer and quotations. > > No no impossible, not enough diskspace to store pictures of those > large boards Flip-chips are single height, not quad or hex-height. 8-) Jeff ----== Posted via Pronews.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.pronews.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 00:59:37 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: VMS news reader Message-ID: <00A80D11.3CDFAE43@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article <1223508493_3620@isp.n>, Jeff Campbell writes: >H Vlems wrote: >> On 8 okt, 13:23, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>> In article , hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: >>> >>>> In article <48ebdfa1$0$12363$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei >>>> writes: >>>>> It is very memory hungry, and you want to give yourself some inordinate >>>>> amount of PGFILQUOTA like 1 gig. Also, some newsgroups with very long >>>>> names may not work under VMS when the software tries to create its own >>>>> files. (comp.os.vms is nowhere near the limit, but some newsgroup names >>>>> are extremely long (like the one about the hamster and ducttape) >>>> As long as alt.sex.fetish.dec-hardware is not too long, you should be >>>> OK! :-) >>> What about alt.binaries.erotica.fetish.dec-hardware.unibus.flip-chip? >>> >>> -- >>> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >>> >>> ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection >>> no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) >>> >>> Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside >>> of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright >>> notice, disclaimer and quotations. >> >> No no impossible, not enough diskspace to store pictures of those >> large boards > >Flip-chips are single height, not quad or hex-height. 8-) ..but they did go both ways! :roll: -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.545 ************************