INFO-VAX Fri, 25 Jul 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 411 Contents: Re: Another BIND vulnerability (cache poisoning) Re: Another BIND vulnerability (cache poisoning) Re: Another BIND vulnerability (cache poisoning) Re: Another BIND vulnerability (cache poisoning) Re: Another BIND vulnerability (cache poisoning) Re: Another BIND vulnerability (cache poisoning) Re: Another BIND vulnerability (cache poisoning) Re: Another BIND vulnerability (cache poisoning) Re: Another BIND vulnerability (cache poisoning) Re: Another BIND vulnerability (cache poisoning) Re: Another BIND vulnerability (cache poisoning) Re: Another BIND vulnerability (cache poisoning) Re: Another BIND vulnerability (cache poisoning) Re: Another BIND vulnerability (cache poisoning) Re: DIMM size DIMM size Re: DIMM size Re: DIMM size Re: DIMM size Re: DIMM size Re: DIMM size Distributed NetBeans 5.5 Re: Distributed NetBeans 5.5 Re: Distributed NetBeans 5.5 Re: OT: Carly as VP? Re: OT: Carly as VP? 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Re: Were can I buy a cheap vaxstation Re: Were can I buy a cheap vaxstation Re: Were can I buy a cheap vaxstation Re: Were can I buy a cheap vaxstation Re: Were can I buy a cheap vaxstation Re: Were can I buy a cheap vaxstation Re: Were can I buy a cheap vaxstation Re: Were can I buy a cheap vaxstation Re: Were can I buy a cheap vaxstation Re: Were can I buy a cheap vaxstation Re: Were can I buy a cheap vaxstation Re: Were can I buy a cheap vaxstation Re: Were can I buy a cheap vaxstation Re: Were can I buy a cheap vaxstation Re: Were can I buy a cheap vaxstation ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:34:20 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Another BIND vulnerability (cache poisoning) Message-ID: <488806ac$0$5435$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> JF Mezei wrote: > Offfical CERT article: > http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/800113 Have VMS customers on support contract been furnished with the required patches for the above ? Or is HP intent on not releasing patches for VMS so it can claim VMS has fewer patches than Windows/Linux ? Lack of patch for BIND on VMS makes a VMS manager look quite bad when their management asks if the VMS ssrvers have been patched for that vulnerability when all others servers in the corportayion have been patched. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:30:05 -0700 From: Malcolm Dunnett Subject: Re: Another BIND vulnerability (cache poisoning) Message-ID: <48889ffd$1@flight> JF Mezei wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: > >> Offfical CERT article: >> http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/800113 > > > Have VMS customers on support contract been furnished with the required > patches for the above ? > Nothing on ITRC as of this morning (most recent TCP/IP kit is from Sept/07). I did get a BIND patch for Multinet (from Process Software) a couple of days ago. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:44:59 -0700 (PDT) From: IanMiller Subject: Re: Another BIND vulnerability (cache poisoning) Message-ID: <0d8141d7-7321-4358-a1a3-dd6e7b8ec580@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On 24 Jul, 16:30, Malcolm Dunnett wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: > > JF Mezei wrote: > > >> Offfical CERT article: > >>http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/800113 > > > Have VMS customers on support contract been furnished with the required > > patches for the above ? > > =A0 =A0Nothing on ITRC as of this morning (most recent TCP/IP kit is from > Sept/07). > > =A0 =A0 I did get a BIND patch for Multinet (from Process Software) a cou= ple > of days ago. Exploits have now been described on a full disclosure mailing list. Process Software have released patches for current version of MULTINET and TCPware and intend to back port the fix to earlier versions. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:41:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: Another BIND vulnerability (cache poisoning) Message-ID: On Jul 23, 11:34=A0pm, JF Mezei wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: > > Offfical CERT article: > >http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/800113 > > Have VMS customers on support contract been furnished with the required > patches for the above ? > > Or is HP intent on not releasing patches for VMS so it can claim VMS has > fewer patches than Windows/Linux ? > > Lack of patch for BIND on VMS makes a VMS manager look quite bad when > their management asks if the VMS ssrvers have been patched for that > vulnerability when all others servers in the corportayion have been patch= ed. Hope we get some "official word" soon. The script kiddy 'metasploit' tool now has an exploit for this problem built in. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:26:24 -0700 (PDT) From: DaveG Subject: Re: Another BIND vulnerability (cache poisoning) Message-ID: <425e2c81-9e30-4e99-953a-7f623cf0a5cd@w1g2000prk.googlegroups.com> On Jul 24, 10:46=A0am, davi...@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > In article <48889ffd$1@flight>, Malcolm Dunnett writes: > >JF Mezei wrote: > >> JF Mezei wrote: > > >>> Offfical CERT article: > >>>http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/800113 > > >> Have VMS customers on support contract been furnished with the require= d > >> patches for the above ? > > > =A0 Nothing on ITRC as of this morning (most recent TCP/IP kit is from > >Sept/07). > > And it is getting a bit late now - there is now an exploit in the metaspl= oit > hacking toolkit see > > http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/072408-attack-code-released-for... > > > =A0 =A0I did get a BIND patch for Multinet (from Process Software) a co= uple > >of days ago. > > The latest versions of multinet and TCPWARE can be run on versions of VMS= going > back to VAX VMS 5.5-2. Given how tied UCX is to the OS version nowadays I > wonder whether HP will produce patches for older versions of UCX Bind or = just > the latest release (when they do produce a patch that is) ? > > David Webb > Security team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University OpenVMS engineering is moving from NH to MA probably as I'm writing this. I know they put off the June ECOs because of the move. Not making excuses, but that *might* be a reason we haven't seen anything from them yet. Of course with some (all?) of the TCPIP group being across ponds, that might negate what I said above unless all things OpenVMS related need to get qualified before being released in the US. Dunno. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:46:36 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Another BIND vulnerability (cache poisoning) Message-ID: In article <48889ffd$1@flight>, Malcolm Dunnett writes: >JF Mezei wrote: >> JF Mezei wrote: >> >>> Offfical CERT article: >>> http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/800113 >> >> >> Have VMS customers on support contract been furnished with the required >> patches for the above ? >> > > Nothing on ITRC as of this morning (most recent TCP/IP kit is from >Sept/07). > And it is getting a bit late now - there is now an exploit in the metasploit hacking toolkit see http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/072408-attack-code-released-for-new.html > I did get a BIND patch for Multinet (from Process Software) a couple >of days ago. The latest versions of multinet and TCPWARE can be run on versions of VMS going back to VAX VMS 5.5-2. Given how tied UCX is to the OS version nowadays I wonder whether HP will produce patches for older versions of UCX Bind or just the latest release (when they do produce a patch that is) ? David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:19:18 -0600 From: Mark Berryman Subject: Re: Another BIND vulnerability (cache poisoning) Message-ID: <48888157@mvb.saic.com> Rich Jordan wrote: > On Jul 23, 11:34 pm, JF Mezei wrote: >> JF Mezei wrote: >>> Offfical CERT article: >>> http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/800113 >> Have VMS customers on support contract been furnished with the required >> patches for the above ? >> >> Or is HP intent on not releasing patches for VMS so it can claim VMS has >> fewer patches than Windows/Linux ? >> >> Lack of patch for BIND on VMS makes a VMS manager look quite bad when >> their management asks if the VMS ssrvers have been patched for that >> vulnerability when all others servers in the corportayion have been patched. > > Hope we get some "official word" soon. The script kiddy 'metasploit' > tool now has an exploit for this problem built in. Look folks, this is tempest in a teapot. If your DNS server is properly configured on a properly configured network, an attacker's ability to poison your cache is close enough to nil as to be practically indistinguishable from it. Specifically, if your DNS server is configured to not accept recursive queries from anything except your own hosts, and your network is configured to block packets that spoof your own addresses, both of which are long, long, established best practices, then the mechanism by which an attacker can exploit the fact that your UDP source port is not random (which is all this patch addresses) simply doesn't exist. In a nutshell, in order to poison the cache of a properly configured DNS server, an attacker must *guess* your DNS transaction ID, the UDP source port of your DNS query, the host you are querying, and the exact query you are making. The crafted packet with the attacker's guesses must also beat the real answer to your system. The transaction ID is a 16-bit random number. All this patch does is add a portion of the 16-bit range of the UDP source port to the randomness. The level of guessing needed is impractical (and nearly mathmatically impossible) unless the attacker can cause your DNS server to issue known queries. It cannot do that unless you don't have recursive query permissions set correctly. Mark Berryman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:32:09 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Another BIND vulnerability (cache poisoning) Message-ID: <4888f53e$0$5454$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Mark Berryman wrote: > The level of guessing needed is impractical (and nearly mathmatically > impossible) unless the attacker can cause your DNS server to issue known > queries. It cannot do that unless you don't have recursive query > permissions set correctly. Not so. You visit some web site which causes your DNS server to resolve some host names. The DNS server at the other end then responds with additional data that loads the cache with www.google.com pointing to www.yahoo.com This isn't a case of some hacker attacking your DNS server. It is a case of your DNS server receiving corrupt responses because it is easy to guess the transaction ID once you've already received a transaction and you know it uses the same port to listen all the time. And it look very bad for VMS when no patch is available and everyone else has had a patch available for weeks. Note that HP and other vendors had been made aware of this vulnerability well before it was announced, this is why various Linux distros had the patch available the minute the ulnerability was announced. So next time Mr Kerry Main uses the "VMS has fewer patches", please keep this in mind. When there needs to be a patch, VMS doesn't get them. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:23:02 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Another BIND vulnerability (cache poisoning) Message-ID: In article <4888f53e$0$5454$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: >Mark Berryman wrote: > >> The level of guessing needed is impractical (and nearly mathmatically >> impossible) unless the attacker can cause your DNS server to issue known >> queries. It cannot do that unless you don't have recursive query >> permissions set correctly. > >Not so. You visit some web site which causes your DNS server to resolve >some host names. The DNS server at the other end then responds with >additional data that loads the cache with www.google.com pointing to >www.yahoo.com > >This isn't a case of some hacker attacking your DNS server. It is a case >of your DNS server receiving corrupt responses because it is easy to >guess the transaction ID once you've already received a transaction and >you know it uses the same port to listen all the time. > > >And it look very bad for VMS when no patch is available and everyone >else has had a patch available for weeks. Note that HP and other vendors >had been made aware of this vulnerability well before it was announced, >this is why various Linux distros had the patch available the minute the >ulnerability was announced. > Especially since HP were publicising the availability of a patch for this on HP-UX by the 17th July see http://groups.google.com/group/comp.security.misc/msg/437a894a706bfd93 which was then updated on the 19th July http://groups.google.com/group/comp.security.misc/msg/66cb7b1849a67e1f David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University >So next time Mr Kerry Main uses the "VMS has fewer patches", please keep >this in mind. When there needs to be a patch, VMS doesn't get them. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:20:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: Another BIND vulnerability (cache poisoning) Message-ID: On Jul 25, 5:23=A0am, davi...@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > In article <4888f53e$0$5454$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: > > > > >Mark Berryman wrote: > > >> The level of guessing needed is impractical (and nearly mathmatically > >> impossible) unless the attacker can cause your DNS server to issue kno= wn > >> queries. =A0It cannot do that unless you don't have recursive query > >> permissions set correctly. > > >Not so. You visit some web site which causes your DNS server to resolve > >some host names. The DNS server at the other end then responds with > >additional data that loads the cache withwww.google.compointing to > >www.yahoo.com > > >This isn't a case of some hacker attacking your DNS server. It is a case > >of your DNS server receiving corrupt responses because it is easy to > >guess the transaction ID once you've already received a transaction and > >you know it uses the same port to listen all the time. > > >And it look very bad for VMS when no patch is available and everyone > >else has had a patch available for weeks. Note that HP and other vendors > >had been made aware of this vulnerability well before it was announced, > >this is why various Linux distros had the patch available the minute the > >ulnerability was announced. > > Especially since HP were publicising the availability of a patch for this= on > HP-UX by the 17th July see > > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.security.misc/msg/437a894a706bfd93 > > which was then updated on the 19th July > > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.security.misc/msg/66cb7b1849a67e1f > > David Webb > Security team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University > > >So next time Mr Kerry Main uses the "VMS has fewer patches", please keep > >this in mind. When there needs to be a patch, VMS doesn't get them. > > Update from SANS for today. They are not taking this lightly. http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?date=3D2008-07-25 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:25:30 -0600 From: Mark Berryman Subject: Re: Another BIND vulnerability (cache poisoning) Message-ID: <48899c0b$1@mvb.saic.com> JF Mezei wrote: > Mark Berryman wrote: > >> The level of guessing needed is impractical (and nearly mathmatically >> impossible) unless the attacker can cause your DNS server to issue known >> queries. It cannot do that unless you don't have recursive query >> permissions set correctly. > > Not so. You visit some web site which causes your DNS server to resolve > some host names. The DNS server at the other end then responds with > additional data that loads the cache with www.google.com pointing to > www.yahoo.com Nope. No DNS server released in, oh the past 10 years or so, will accept any data in the "additional data" section of a reply that does not match the domain of the original query. This is a bug that was discovered around 1995 or so and fixed long since. (Microsoft may be an exception to this. Their DNS server is broken in so many ways that I have never used it or checked its security bona fides. The Internet reference server, which comes from ISC, does work this way). > > This isn't a case of some hacker attacking your DNS server. It is a case > of your DNS server receiving corrupt responses because it is easy to > guess the transaction ID once you've already received a transaction and > you know it uses the same port to listen all the time. You can't force the DNS server to send a transaction to you so you can look at its transaction ID (which is already random and not easily guessed) unless the DNS server is not properly configured. And there is a lot more to sending a bogus response than just knowing the transaction ID. Mark Berryman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:40:10 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Another BIND vulnerability (cache poisoning) Message-ID: In article <48899c0b$1@mvb.saic.com>, Mark Berryman writes: >JF Mezei wrote: >> Mark Berryman wrote: >> >>> The level of guessing needed is impractical (and nearly mathmatically >>> impossible) unless the attacker can cause your DNS server to issue known >>> queries. It cannot do that unless you don't have recursive query >>> permissions set correctly. >> >> Not so. You visit some web site which causes your DNS server to resolve >> some host names. The DNS server at the other end then responds with >> additional data that loads the cache with www.google.com pointing to >> www.yahoo.com > >Nope. No DNS server released in, oh the past 10 years or so, will >accept any data in the "additional data" section of a reply that does >not match the domain of the original query. This is a bug that was >discovered around 1995 or so and fixed long since. > >(Microsoft may be an exception to this. Their DNS server is broken in >so many ways that I have never used it or checked its security bona >fides. The Internet reference server, which comes from ISC, does work >this way). > >> >> This isn't a case of some hacker attacking your DNS server. It is a case >> of your DNS server receiving corrupt responses because it is easy to >> guess the transaction ID once you've already received a transaction and >> you know it uses the same port to listen all the time. > >You can't force the DNS server to send a transaction to you so you can >look at its transaction ID (which is already random and not easily >guessed) unless the DNS server is not properly configured. And there is >a lot more to sending a bogus response than just knowing the transaction ID. > >Mark Berryman Mark, As the SAN's article http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?date=2008-07-25 says your DNS systems which are setup to be recursive for your internal users are vulnerable via code downloaded from websites your users visit or from code on infected systems in your organisation eg botnet members. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:13:26 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Another BIND vulnerability (cache poisoning) Message-ID: In article , david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk writes: >In article <48899c0b$1@mvb.saic.com>, Mark Berryman writes: >>JF Mezei wrote: >>> Mark Berryman wrote: >>> >>>> The level of guessing needed is impractical (and nearly mathmatically >>>> impossible) unless the attacker can cause your DNS server to issue known >>>> queries. It cannot do that unless you don't have recursive query >>>> permissions set correctly. >>> >>> Not so. You visit some web site which causes your DNS server to resolve >>> some host names. The DNS server at the other end then responds with >>> additional data that loads the cache with www.google.com pointing to >>> www.yahoo.com >> >>Nope. No DNS server released in, oh the past 10 years or so, will >>accept any data in the "additional data" section of a reply that does >>not match the domain of the original query. This is a bug that was >>discovered around 1995 or so and fixed long since. >> It appears that JF may be almost correct. Apparently the flaw relates to getting an entry for a non-existent subdomain of your target into the DNS cache and passing additional data for the main domain of the target ie related data see http://blaynesucks.com/2008/07/22/protocol-level-dns-flaw ( With a name like blaynesucks.com I'm not sure how accurate this description is.) David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University >>(Microsoft may be an exception to this. Their DNS server is broken in >>so many ways that I have never used it or checked its security bona >>fides. The Internet reference server, which comes from ISC, does work >>this way). >> >>> >>> This isn't a case of some hacker attacking your DNS server. It is a case >>> of your DNS server receiving corrupt responses because it is easy to >>> guess the transaction ID once you've already received a transaction and >>> you know it uses the same port to listen all the time. >> >>You can't force the DNS server to send a transaction to you so you can >>look at its transaction ID (which is already random and not easily >>guessed) unless the DNS server is not properly configured. And there is >>a lot more to sending a bogus response than just knowing the transaction ID. >> >>Mark Berryman > >Mark, > >As the SAN's article > >http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?date=2008-07-25 > >says your DNS systems which are setup to be recursive for your internal users >are vulnerable via code downloaded from websites your users visit or from >code on infected systems in your organisation eg botnet members. > >David Webb >Security team leader >CCSS >Middlesex University ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:41:41 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Another BIND vulnerability (cache poisoning) Message-ID: <488a10c0$0$14356$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> This issue is now a high visibility one and it doesn't really matter much if I am correct or not, or whether VMS can or cannot be affected. If VMS is not affected, then HP should post this info on the CERT web site to indicate that VMS has been tested and while the public tests show it as vulnerable, it is not vulnerable to actual "attacks". Lack of any/all information about VMS and this CERT issue sends a strong message that VMS is no longer getting critical patches and they only produce patches now and then when they have spare time. Thankfully, the media already thinks VMS is dead, so they don't cover the story of HP not producing a patch for VMS. But VMS customers on support contracts should be mighty worried. If you have fought hard to keep VMS systems in place, and argued VMS had superior security, the lack of available patch for a very public issue makes you look like a fool within your organisation because you "so secure" VMS systems are no longer "so secure" and you will have to keep your mouth shut from now on. The standards have gone WAY down in terms of how much support is given to VMS. Whether this is due to staff reductions, clueless VMS group management who don't know how to manage human resources and see this as an important enoiugh issue to divert resources to get a fix out ASAP, or whether this is an HP strategy to wind down VMS ever so slowly doesn't matter. What matters is that VMS has not gotten a patch in a timely fashion for a high visibility item when tests show VMS is vulnerable. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:37:21 -0400 From: Robert Deininger Subject: Re: DIMM size Message-ID: In article <205642.17162.qm@web83906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, "James J. O'Shea" wrote: > I know SHO MEM gives me the total memory, but is there > a command from VMS that will give me the size of the > DIMMs? Not directly. Depending on the system type, the error log may have DIMM information saved at boot time. ANALYZE/ERROR, DECevent, or WEBES/Compaq Analyze will usually tranlate the error log entries. Which tool to use depends on the system. Integrity servers will show you DIMM information via the management processor without help from VMS. -- Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:25:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "James J. O'Shea" Subject: DIMM size Message-ID: <205642.17162.qm@web83906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I know SHO MEM gives me the total memory, but is there a command from VMS that will give me the size of the DIMMs? Thanks, Jim O'Shea Chicago ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 01:14:09 -0700 (PDT) From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: DIMM size Message-ID: On 25 Jul, 00:42, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > James J. O'Shea wrote: > > I know SHO MEM gives me the total memory, but is there > > a command from VMS that will give me the size of the > > DIMMs? =A0 > > > Thanks, > > Jim O'Shea > > Chicago > > Why don't you just skin the box and look? =A0That will tell you both > what's installed, and how many sockets are available to add more. > > If you want to buy memory, tell the vendor the make/model of the box and > how many MB/GB you want. =A0The owners manual for the box will frequently > tell you what kind of memory it uses. Perhaps because you have to be in front of the box to take covers off and, in some cases, the box will go down if you remove the covers? An rx2660 will just pump the fans up. An AlphaServer 1000A will power down if you take the top cover off... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:35:29 -0700 (PDT) From: IanMiller Subject: Re: DIMM size Message-ID: On Jul 24, 11:25=A0pm, "James J. O'Shea" wrote: > I know SHO MEM gives me the total memory, but is there > a command from VMS that will give me the size of the > DIMMs? =A0 > > Thanks, > Jim O'Shea > Chicago ANALYZE/SYSTEM >SDA CLUE FRU will write a file which can be processed using DECevent or WEBES SEA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:49:02 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: DIMM size Message-ID: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > On 25 Jul, 00:42, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: >> James J. O'Shea wrote: >>> I know SHO MEM gives me the total memory, but is there >>> a command from VMS that will give me the size of the >>> DIMMs? >>> Thanks, >>> Jim O'Shea >>> Chicago >> Why don't you just skin the box and look? That will tell you both >> what's installed, and how many sockets are available to add more. >> >> If you want to buy memory, tell the vendor the make/model of the box and >> how many MB/GB you want. The owners manual for the box will frequently >> tell you what kind of memory it uses. > > Perhaps because you have to be in front of the box to take covers off > and, in some cases, the box will go down if you remove the covers? An > rx2660 will just pump the fans up. An AlphaServer 1000A will power > down if you take the top cover off... I don't see why that is a problem. After all, when you install the additional memory, you will have to power down and remove the cover. . . . ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 2008 12:10:07 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: DIMM size Message-ID: In article <205642.17162.qm@web83906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, "James J. O'Shea" writes: > I know SHO MEM gives me the total memory, but is there > a command from VMS that will give me the size of the > DIMMs? I don't think even the console can get that. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:42:35 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: DIMM size Message-ID: James J. O'Shea wrote: > I know SHO MEM gives me the total memory, but is there > a command from VMS that will give me the size of the > DIMMs? > > Thanks, > Jim O'Shea > Chicago Why don't you just skin the box and look? That will tell you both what's installed, and how many sockets are available to add more. If you want to buy memory, tell the vendor the make/model of the box and how many MB/GB you want. The owners manual for the box will frequently tell you what kind of memory it uses. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:03:15 +0200 From: Martin Vorlaender Subject: Distributed NetBeans 5.5 Message-ID: <6eu4p3F8ujfdU1@mid.individual.net> All, today I got the time to try out the recently published NetBeans 5.5. So I installed IDESERVER on my OpenVMS I64 V8.3 (+ UPDATE6) box, and the NBM into my WinXP SP3 NetBeans 5.5.1. But: when I enter the Integrity system as a "Remote IDE Server" with my quota-bumped-up account, the IDE tells me "Server Connection Error" and "rmi://:1099/DistNBRemoteLoginServer" and IDE$LOGS:IDE$SERVER.LOG has java.rmi.ConnectException: Connection refused to host: ; nested exception is: java.net.ConnectException: connection timed out (errno:60) Having two network cards in both systems, I defined the IDE$HOST_IPNAME and the java.rmi.server.hostname property in the server and client, respectively. Any idea where to look for an error? cu, Martin -- One OS to rule them all | Martin Vorlaender | OpenVMS rules! One OS to find them | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de One OS to bring them all | http://vms.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin.vorlaender@t-online.de ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:18:49 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Distributed NetBeans 5.5 Message-ID: Martin Vorlaender wrote: > All, > > today I got the time to try out the recently published NetBeans 5.5. > So I installed IDESERVER on my OpenVMS I64 V8.3 (+ UPDATE6) box, and > the NBM into my WinXP SP3 NetBeans 5.5.1. > > But: when I enter the Integrity system as a "Remote IDE Server" with > my quota-bumped-up account, the IDE tells me "Server Connection Error" > and "rmi://:1099/DistNBRemoteLoginServer" and IDE$LOGS:IDE$SERVER.LOG > has > > java.rmi.ConnectException: Connection refused to host: ; > nested exception is: > java.net.ConnectException: connection timed out (errno:60) > > Having two network cards in both systems, I defined the IDE$HOST_IPNAME > and the java.rmi.server.hostname property in the server and client, > respectively. > > Any idea where to look for an error? > > cu, > Martin Is this on a all-LAN natwork ? I get similar errors when trying over my DSL/NAT routers. And in that case IDE$HOST_IPNAME and/or java.rmi.server.hostname doesn't help either. I'll try the lastes kits as soon as the summer is over... :-) I run Alpha, FWIW... Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:31:39 +0200 From: "Martin Vorlaender" Subject: Re: Distributed NetBeans 5.5 Message-ID: Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: > Martin Vorlaender wrote: >> today I got the time to try out the recently published NetBeans 5.5. >> So I installed IDESERVER on my OpenVMS I64 V8.3 (+ UPDATE6) box, and >> the NBM into my WinXP SP3 NetBeans 5.5.1. >> >> But: when I enter the Integrity system as a "Remote IDE Server" with >> my quota-bumped-up account, the IDE tells me "Server Connection Error" >> and "rmi://:1099/DistNBRemoteLoginServer" and IDE$LOGS:IDE$SERVER.LOG >> has >> >> java.rmi.ConnectException: Connection refused to host: ; >> nested exception is: >> java.net.ConnectException: connection timed out (errno:60) >> >> Having two network cards in both systems, I defined the IDE$HOST_IPNAME >> and the java.rmi.server.hostname property in the server and client, >> respectively. >> >> Any idea where to look for an error? > Is this on a all-LAN natwork ? Yep. It's our in-house LAN. The server is connected with a fix address, the client to the WLAN with DHCP. > I get similar errors when trying over my DSL/NAT routers. > And in that case IDE$HOST_IPNAME and/or java.rmi.server.hostname > doesn't help either. > > I'll try the lastes kits as soon as the summer > is over... :-) > I run Alpha, FWIW... Testing the Alpha version of the IDE server is on my todo list, too. cu, Martin -- One OS to rule them all | Martin Vorlaender | OpenVMS rules! One OS to find them | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de One OS to bring them all | http://vms.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin.vorlaender@t-online.de ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:08:23 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: OT: Carly as VP? Message-ID: In article <3279597d-321e-439e-8ef4-f5910c194989@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Andrew wrote: > don't know about you but I love the idea of Bob having to vote for > one of the people who apparently helped to kill Alpha. LOL! -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:35:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Subject: Re: OT: Carly as VP? Message-ID: <627861f4-e5ea-4c0c-8ab4-e08272a615be@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On 23 Jul, 15:38, Bob Willard wrote: > Andrew wrote: > > On 12 Jul, 00:39, "William Webb" wrote: > > >>On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 7:09 AM, John Smith > >>wrote: > > >>>http://thinkprogress.org/wonkroom/2008/06/20/fiorina-history/ > > >>>"JF Mezei" wrote in message > >>>news:485ef521$0$12292$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... > > >>>>John Smith wrote: > > >>>>>http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11258.html > > >>>>She's been mentioned a few times, especially after McCain admitted he > >>>>wasn't a hot shot when it comes to economic issues. Having her behind > >>>>his back would help him with the economic side. (or so they say). > > >>>>Carly, despite being a blonde bimbo, can speak and say nothing using > >>>>this week,s buzzwords without saying anything or without understanding > >>>>any of it. Sounds like the perfect definition of a politician. > > >>>>I think it will come down to whether McCain feels he needs a token > >>>>female as VP to counter the possibility of Hillary as VP. > > >>>>Hopefully the VP debate will be held in a giant vat of jello which would > >>>>make for a most excellent cat fight between Hillary and Carly. "My > >>>>hairdresser is better than yours", "my business jet is bigger than > >>>>yours", "yeah, but mine is faster than yours". > > >>>>One thing is for sure, Carly understand and supports the patriot act > >>>>very well. She likes the ability to listen in on phone conversations, > >>>>plant emails to fetter out certain people etc etc. > > >>And I thought the current crop of *Presidential* candidates were > >>unpalatable! > > >>WWWebb > > > I don't know about you but I love the idea of Bob having to vote for > > one of the people who apparently helped to kill Alpha. > > What Bob? If you mean GC Bob, then I don't think he ever really liked > Alpha, or any other technology, unless you count suit material. > > {This Bob is in no danger of voting for Carly, or for any other VP > candidate running with John McBush.} > -- > Cheers, Bob No I ment the Bob with the two oo's rather than the Bob with one. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:30:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Rieck Subject: Re: OT: Valley Boy (the Education of Tom Perkins) Message-ID: <37de032f-9f3a-45d4-9949-fdf66b130e90@b30g2000prf.googlegroups.com> On Jul 22, 6:50=A0pm, Neil Rieck wrote: > On Jul 22, 10:23=A0am, DaveG wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 22, 5:34=A0am, Neil Rieck wrote: > > > > On Jul 21, 6:40=A0am, Neil Rieck wrote: > > > > > I just started reading the autobiography of Tom Perkins titled "Val= ley > > > > Boy". In case anyone else is interested, the first twenty pages > > > > discuss in detail what really happened between the HP board and Car= ly > > > > Fiorina, Pattie Dunn, Jay Keyworth. > > > > > p.s. I got the impression that Carly didn't think the board of > > > > directors could tell her what to do. It sounds to me that HP could > > > > have ended up being another company with a megalomaniacal CEO and a= n > > > > impotent board (Enron? Hollinger International? Nortel?). HP really > > > > dodged a bullet by bringing in Mark Hurd. > > > > > Neil Rieck > > > > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, > > > > Ontario, Canada.http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ > > > > Sorry for replying to my own post, but I just wanted to mention that > > > this book contains a lot of cool stories about working for HP in the > > > 1960s (Tom Perkins ran the computer division). It turns out that Bill > > > Hewlett and David Packard were way cooler technophiles that I ever > > > imagined. And although the date isn't given, HP considered buying DEC > > > in the 1960s but the price was too high which is why they decided to > > > build their own computers. > > > > p.s. When I attended college, we had both a DEC PDP-12 as well as an > > > HP-3000. At that time, the PDP was used to teach computer concepts to > > > the technical students which included machine language programming > > > from the front console, and macro assembler programming via macro > > > assembler (programs were saved to DECtape). The HP was used to teach > > > high level languages like COBOL, FORTRAN, and BASIC. > > > > Neil Rieck > > > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, > > > Ontario, Canada.http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ > > > I was weened on a PDP-12 back in the early 70s at Loyola University > > Medical Center. =A0Fond memories. > > > And if this is the same Tom Perkins that was on 60 Minutes earlier > > this year, I found him to be arrogant and disdainful while sitting on > > his mega-million $$ yacht with the interviewer. =A0I now understand he'= s > > getting rid of this toy. =A0I guess he tired of it. =A0I tired of him > > while watching the interview.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Yep, it is the 60 minutes guy. I bought his book for several reasons: > > 1) Both Fiorina and Dunn slagged him in their books so I wanted to > hear his side of the story. (especially since Dunn was the person > who ordered the wire taps then ignored his advice to stop doing > it) > > 2) I knew he had some sort of relationship with HP's founders. > 3) I knew he was one of the VC guys behind Genentech > 4) I knew he was once CEO of Tandem > 5) I knew he was on the board of Compaq after they bought Tandem > 6) I "think" he made it to the board of HP when Compaq merged with HP > > You are correct. In the interview he seemed very arrogant. However, > chapter one of his book covers the cancer-death of his first wife > and this made him seem very humble. > > p.s. he got an EE-CS from MIT and an MBA from Harvard so one of out > two isn't bad :-) > > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, > Ontario, Canada.http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - OK so it turns out that Tom Perkins and his friends "created" Tandem along with the non-stop kernel. They were also the VC people behind SUN and Google. NSR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:03:08 -0700 (PDT) From: IanMiller Subject: Today is System Administrator Appreciation Day Message-ID: http://www.sysadminday.com Be nice to your VMS System Manager today :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:27:57 -0700 (PDT) From: DaveG Subject: Re: Today is System Administrator Appreciation Day Message-ID: <305b376e-271d-44cd-9340-8839c63bee0b@j1g2000prb.googlegroups.com> On Jul 25, 5:03=A0am, IanMiller wrote: > http://www.sysadminday.com > > Be nice to your VMS System Manager today :-) Call me old fashioned but I prefer the term system manager over system admin. One "manages" a system. Reading system admin manuals, etc one often runs into the manage word. Administer seems like an odd word here. It also rings Orwellian to me. Have a nice sysmanagerday. Dave... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:17:49 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Today is System Administrator Appreciation Day Message-ID: In article <305b376e-271d-44cd-9340-8839c63bee0b@j1g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, DaveG writes: >On Jul 25, 5:03=A0am, IanMiller wrote: >> http://www.sysadminday.com >> >> Be nice to your VMS System Manager today :-) > >Call me old fashioned but I prefer the term system manager over system >admin. One "manages" a system. Reading system admin manuals, etc one >often runs into the manage word. Administer seems like an odd word >here. It also rings Orwellian to me. > Historically you managed a VMS system but with a Unix system you constantly wanted to administer punishment to it because it misbehaved so much. :) David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University >Have a nice sysmanagerday. > >Dave... > ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 2008 15:32:06 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Today is System Administrator Appreciation Day Message-ID: <6eu9vmF8v6jrU1@mid.individual.net> In article , david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: > In article <305b376e-271d-44cd-9340-8839c63bee0b@j1g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, DaveG writes: >>On Jul 25, 5:03=A0am, IanMiller wrote: >>> http://www.sysadminday.com >>> >>> Be nice to your VMS System Manager today :-) >> >>Call me old fashioned but I prefer the term system manager over system >>admin. One "manages" a system. Reading system admin manuals, etc one >>often runs into the manage word. Administer seems like an odd word >>here. It also rings Orwellian to me. >> > > > Historically you managed a VMS system > but > with a Unix system you constantly wanted to administer punishment to it because > it misbehaved so much. :) You guys still haven't stopped FUDing Unix. I have been away from work since March. I have only had one major problem and that was caused by someone doing something they should never have done. And I fixed it from here in about 2 hours. That's about 14 Unix servers, a couple of Win2K3 servers, labs of XP machines, etc. Cue "Ain't Misbehavin"..... Oh, by the way, as long as we're talking about "misbehaving", got that patch for VMS DNS yet? I didn't think so. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:51:54 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Today is System Administrator Appreciation Day Message-ID: In article <6eu9vmF8v6jrU1@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >In article , > david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: >> In article <305b376e-271d-44cd-9340-8839c63bee0b@j1g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, DaveG writes: >>>On Jul 25, 5:03=A0am, IanMiller wrote: >>>> http://www.sysadminday.com >>>> >>>> Be nice to your VMS System Manager today :-) >>> >>>Call me old fashioned but I prefer the term system manager over system >>>admin. One "manages" a system. Reading system admin manuals, etc one >>>often runs into the manage word. Administer seems like an odd word >>>here. It also rings Orwellian to me. >>> >> >> >> Historically you managed a VMS system >> but >> with a Unix system you constantly wanted to administer punishment to it because >> it misbehaved so much. :) > >You guys still haven't stopped FUDing Unix. I have been away from work >since March. I have only had one major problem and that was caused by >someone doing something they should never have done. And I fixed it >from here in about 2 hours. That's about 14 Unix servers, a couple of >Win2K3 servers, labs of XP machines, etc. Cue "Ain't Misbehavin"..... Bill lighten up. Didn't you see the :) plus the use of the word historically. My comment wasn't meant to be taken too seriously. > >Oh, by the way, as long as we're talking about "misbehaving", got that >patch for VMS DNS yet? I didn't think so. > I'm well aware of that - if you looked you would have seen that I was one of those posting on that very subject. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University >bill > >-- >Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves >billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. >University of Scranton | >Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include PS. Your Sig is factual nonsense. In any balanced eco-system prey vastly outnumber predators otherwise the predator starves. Hence democracy is more like a thousand sheep and one wolf voting on what's for dinner. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:18:51 -0500 From: pechter@pcp09822625pcs.eatntn01.nj.comcast.net (Bill Pechter) Subject: Re: Today is System Administrator Appreciation Day Message-ID: In article <305b376e-271d-44cd-9340-8839c63bee0b@j1g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, DaveG wrote: >On Jul 25, 5:03 am, IanMiller wrote: >> http://www.sysadminday.com >> >> Be nice to your VMS System Manager today :-) > >Call me old fashioned but I prefer the term system manager over system >admin. One "manages" a system. Reading system admin manuals, etc one >often runs into the manage word. Administer seems like an odd word >here. It also rings Orwellian to me. > >Have a nice sysmanagerday. > >Dave... > The etmology of systems administrator (I think) came from the AT&T/Bell Labs Unix side of the Vax installations. Never heard it mentioned elsewhere in the '80's... Definitely a Unixism. It partly may have had some issues with union vs. managment. Managers had to be non-union and have have people reporting to them... AT&T contracted out a lot of the sysadmin to contractors. So... they couldn't be "managers" of systems or anything else. Bill -- -- Be comforted that in the face of all erridity and disallusionment, and despite the changing fortunes of time, there is always a big future in computer maintainance. --Deteriorata (pechter-at-gmail-dot-com) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:11:28 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: VAX w/zero votes and no QuorumDisk access? Message-ID: norm.raphael@metso.com writes: >moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote on 07/23/2008 >03:11:19 PM: >> Why not skip the quorum disk and give all 3 nodes a vote? >As I 'splained earlier in the thread, the VAX is leaving the cluster. >I just want a way to reboot it into the cluster temporarily in case I >have to recover/reconstruct something before I sell it. I missed that. The rest of my explanation stands, just configure it with 0 votes and no quorum disk. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:52:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Cluster-Karl Subject: Re: Were can I buy a cheap vaxstation Message-ID: <3d288409-eb5a-4863-9ed8-488e6f3d3982@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com> Why not use SIMH as VAX emulation and/or Personal Alpha as Alpha emulation? regards kalle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:00:23 +0200 From: Michael Kraemer Subject: Re: Were can I buy a cheap vaxstation Message-ID: Cluster-Karl schrieb: > Why not use SIMH as VAX emulation and/or Personal Alpha as Alpha > emulation? because it's a crap PC, not the real thing ? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:23:23 -0700 From: Malcolm Dunnett Subject: Re: Were can I buy a cheap vaxstation Message-ID: <48889e6c$1@flight> Steven M. Schweda wrote: > From: nolanh@ymail.com > >> I currently use vms just by using telnet but I would like to have a >> vaxstation of my own , does anyone know were I cant get my own for a >> decent price. > > I know many places where you can't get one. Or did you wish to know > where you _can_ get one? Where are you? > > Define "decent". Why not an Alpha, so you could use some features > added since 2001? Why not an Itanium? If "decent" can go up to $400-600 (ie the cost of a cheap PC) then there are usually a couple of zx6000 workstations on sale on eBay on any given day. (There's a couple right now: one at $525 ($625 buy it now) with dual 1.5Ghz, 4GB and 73GB disk and one with dual 900Mhz, 4gb and 73gb disk for $449 or best offer - he's got 10 of them, I bet he'd accept an offer of under $400). They run VMS just great and would be orders of magnitude faster than any VAX (and quite a bit faster than any Alpha you are likely to find for a similar price) Itaniums are covered under the openvms hobbyist program: http://www.openvmshobbyist.com/viewpage.php?page_id=2 If you'd rather have an Alpha or want to spend less than that try David Turner at Island Computer (dturner@islandco.com). I bet he could set you up with a DS10L pretty cheaply. He may even have an old VAXStation kicking around. ps: I could probably give you an Alphaserver GS140, but it's the size of a large refrigerator and needs 3-phase power :-) ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jul 2008 15:38:59 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Were can I buy a cheap vaxstation Message-ID: <4888a213$0$7348$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <48889e6c$1@flight>, Malcolm Dunnett writes: >Steven M. Schweda wrote: >> From: nolanh@ymail.com >> >>> I currently use vms just by using telnet but I would like to have a >>> vaxstation of my own , does anyone know were I cant get my own for a >>> decent price. >> >> I know many places where you can't get one. Or did you wish to know >> where you _can_ get one? Where are you? >> >> Define "decent". Why not an Alpha, so you could use some features >> added since 2001? > > Why not an Itanium? > > If "decent" can go up to $400-600 (ie the cost of a cheap PC) >then there are usually a couple of zx6000 workstations on sale >on eBay on any given day. (There's a couple right now: one at >$525 ($625 buy it now) with dual 1.5Ghz, 4GB and 73GB disk and >one with dual 900Mhz, 4gb and 73gb disk for $449 or best offer - he's >got 10 of them, I bet he'd accept an offer of under $400). > >They run VMS just great and would be orders of magnitude faster >than any VAX (and quite a bit faster than any Alpha you are >likely to find for a similar price) > > Itaniums are covered under the openvms hobbyist program: > >http://www.openvmshobbyist.com/viewpage.php?page_id=2 > > If you'd rather have an Alpha or want to spend less than >that try David Turner at Island Computer (dturner@islandco.com). > >I bet he could set you up with a DS10L pretty cheaply. He >may even have an old VAXStation kicking around. > > ps: I could probably give you an Alphaserver GS140, but >it's the size of a large refrigerator and needs 3-phase >power :-) Can I pick this up? :) -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:14:55 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Were can I buy a cheap vaxstation Message-ID: <5_CdneqeLOr_WhXVnZ2dnUVZ_rPinZ2d@comcast.com> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <48889e6c$1@flight>, Malcolm Dunnett writes: >> Steven M. Schweda wrote: >>> From: nolanh@ymail.com >>> >>>> I currently use vms just by using telnet but I would like to have a >>>> vaxstation of my own , does anyone know were I cant get my own for a >>>> decent price. >>> I know many places where you can't get one. Or did you wish to know >>> where you _can_ get one? Where are you? >>> >>> Define "decent". Why not an Alpha, so you could use some features >>> added since 2001? >> Why not an Itanium? >> >> If "decent" can go up to $400-600 (ie the cost of a cheap PC) >> then there are usually a couple of zx6000 workstations on sale >> on eBay on any given day. (There's a couple right now: one at >> $525 ($625 buy it now) with dual 1.5Ghz, 4GB and 73GB disk and >> one with dual 900Mhz, 4gb and 73gb disk for $449 or best offer - he's >> got 10 of them, I bet he'd accept an offer of under $400). >> >> They run VMS just great and would be orders of magnitude faster >> than any VAX (and quite a bit faster than any Alpha you are >> likely to find for a similar price) >> >> Itaniums are covered under the openvms hobbyist program: >> >> http://www.openvmshobbyist.com/viewpage.php?page_id=2 >> >> If you'd rather have an Alpha or want to spend less than >> that try David Turner at Island Computer (dturner@islandco.com). >> >> I bet he could set you up with a DS10L pretty cheaply. He >> may even have an old VAXStation kicking around. >> >> ps: I could probably give you an Alphaserver GS140, but >> it's the size of a large refrigerator and needs 3-phase >> power :-) > > Can I pick this up? :) Not without a forklift!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:03:48 -0700 From: Malcolm Dunnett Subject: Re: Were can I buy a cheap vaxstation Message-ID: <4888d217$1@flight> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <48889e6c$1@flight>, Malcolm Dunnett writes: >> ps: I could probably give you an Alphaserver GS140, but >> it's the size of a large refrigerator and needs 3-phase >> power :-) > > Can I pick this up? :) Sure, but it's a continent away from New Jersey (on Vancouver Island) :-) If you feel like a cross-country drive let me know and I'll tell you where to find me. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:15:41 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Were can I buy a cheap vaxstation Message-ID: <4888d51f$0$18540$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> ps: I could probably give you an Alphaserver GS140, but >>it's the size of a large refrigerator and needs 3-phase >>power :-) > > Can I pick this up? :) Be careful not to hurt your back when you do :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:18:21 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Were can I buy a cheap vaxstation Message-ID: <4888d5be$0$18540$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Malcolm Dunnett wrote: > Sure, but it's a continent away from New Jersey (on Vancouver Island) Does BC Ferries have rates for computers ? You could roll it onto the ferry and bring it to the mainland :-) The rack does have wheels, right ? :-) :-) :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:36:14 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: Were can I buy a cheap vaxstation Message-ID: Hi Malcolm, > If "decent" can go up to $400-600 (ie the cost of a cheap PC) > then there are usually a couple of zx6000 workstations on sale > on eBay on any given day. (There's a couple right now: one at > $525 ($625 buy it now) with dual 1.5Ghz, 4GB and 73GB disk and > one with dual 900Mhz, 4gb and 73gb disk for $449 or best offer - he's > got 10 of them, I bet he'd accept an offer of under $400). Sounds great! Not being eBay literate/savy/interested and not having PayPal-stuff (or a face-book or any other bollocks time-waster for the life-challenged) I can only look on in awe at what promises to be an ideal VMS Itanium development box :-( Having said that, if anyone knows of a similar DSPP offer, or a shipping-included arrangement, that can bring just such a box to bf-nowhere Western-Australia then I have the readies! Ah the far pavilions eh; who cares? As if anything interesting happens outside the Nashua love-nest. Cheers Richard Maher "Malcolm Dunnett" wrote in message news:48889e6c$1@flight... > Steven M. Schweda wrote: > > From: nolanh@ymail.com > > > >> I currently use vms just by using telnet but I would like to have a > >> vaxstation of my own , does anyone know were I cant get my own for a > >> decent price. > > > > I know many places where you can't get one. Or did you wish to know > > where you _can_ get one? Where are you? > > > > Define "decent". Why not an Alpha, so you could use some features > > added since 2001? > > Why not an Itanium? > > If "decent" can go up to $400-600 (ie the cost of a cheap PC) > then there are usually a couple of zx6000 workstations on sale > on eBay on any given day. (There's a couple right now: one at > $525 ($625 buy it now) with dual 1.5Ghz, 4GB and 73GB disk and > one with dual 900Mhz, 4gb and 73gb disk for $449 or best offer - he's > got 10 of them, I bet he'd accept an offer of under $400). > > They run VMS just great and would be orders of magnitude faster > than any VAX (and quite a bit faster than any Alpha you are > likely to find for a similar price) > > Itaniums are covered under the openvms hobbyist program: > > http://www.openvmshobbyist.com/viewpage.php?page_id=2 > > If you'd rather have an Alpha or want to spend less than > that try David Turner at Island Computer (dturner@islandco.com). > > I bet he could set you up with a DS10L pretty cheaply. He > may even have an old VAXStation kicking around. > > ps: I could probably give you an Alphaserver GS140, but > it's the size of a large refrigerator and needs 3-phase > power :-) ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 2008 11:42:21 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Were can I buy a cheap vaxstation Message-ID: <4889bc1d$0$20906$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article , "Richard Maher" writes: >Hi Malcolm, > >> If "decent" can go up to $400-600 (ie the cost of a cheap PC) >> then there are usually a couple of zx6000 workstations on sale >> on eBay on any given day. (There's a couple right now: one at >> $525 ($625 buy it now) with dual 1.5Ghz, 4GB and 73GB disk and >> one with dual 900Mhz, 4gb and 73gb disk for $449 or best offer - he's >> got 10 of them, I bet he'd accept an offer of under $400). > >Sounds great! > >Not being eBay literate/savy/interested and not having PayPal-stuff (or a >face-book or any other bollocks time-waster for the life-challenged) I can I've purchased some wonderful "keep the business going" items from eBay over the years. I don't believe it's a time-waster or for the life-chal- lenged. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:14:20 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Were can I buy a cheap vaxstation Message-ID: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article , "Richard Maher" writes: >> Hi Malcolm, >> >>> If "decent" can go up to $400-600 (ie the cost of a cheap PC) >>> then there are usually a couple of zx6000 workstations on sale >>> on eBay on any given day. (There's a couple right now: one at >>> $525 ($625 buy it now) with dual 1.5Ghz, 4GB and 73GB disk and >>> one with dual 900Mhz, 4gb and 73gb disk for $449 or best offer - he's >>> got 10 of them, I bet he'd accept an offer of under $400). >> Sounds great! >> >> Not being eBay literate/savy/interested and not having PayPal-stuff (or a >> face-book or any other bollocks time-waster for the life-challenged) I can > > I've purchased some wonderful "keep the business going" items from eBay > over the years. I don't believe it's a time-waster or for the life-chal- > lenged. > At my last job, I was able to upgrade the disk farm from the old StorageWorks (RZ26, RZ28) to the newer RZ29 (4GB) and 9GB and 18GB drives. I also picked up some StorageWorks (Blue) shelves dirt cheap! I got that hardware for about ten cents on the dollar! Thanks eBay! Instead of hearing "I need 4GB of disk space" and being forced to reply, "I'm sorry, I don't have 4GB to give you", I just bought bigger disks on eBay. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 2008 14:44:33 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Were can I buy a cheap vaxstation Message-ID: <4889e6d1$0$5004$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article , "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> In article , "Richard Maher" writes: >>> Hi Malcolm, >>> >>>> If "decent" can go up to $400-600 (ie the cost of a cheap PC) >>>> then there are usually a couple of zx6000 workstations on sale >>>> on eBay on any given day. (There's a couple right now: one at >>>> $525 ($625 buy it now) with dual 1.5Ghz, 4GB and 73GB disk and >>>> one with dual 900Mhz, 4gb and 73gb disk for $449 or best offer - he's >>>> got 10 of them, I bet he'd accept an offer of under $400). >>> Sounds great! >>> >>> Not being eBay literate/savy/interested and not having PayPal-stuff (or a >>> face-book or any other bollocks time-waster for the life-challenged) I can >> >> I've purchased some wonderful "keep the business going" items from eBay >> over the years. I don't believe it's a time-waster or for the life-chal- >> lenged. >> > >At my last job, I was able to upgrade the disk farm from the old >StorageWorks (RZ26, RZ28) to the newer RZ29 (4GB) and 9GB and 18GB >drives. I also picked up some StorageWorks (Blue) shelves dirt cheap! >I got that hardware for about ten cents on the dollar! Thanks eBay! > >Instead of hearing "I need 4GB of disk space" and being forced to reply, >"I'm sorry, I don't have 4GB to give you", I just bought bigger disks on >eBay. I have a terabyte or more in RZ29s in the garage if they really truly want a 4.3 GB spindle. ;) -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:12:06 -0500 From: pechter@pcp09822625pcs.eatntn01.nj.comcast.net (Bill Pechter) Subject: Re: Were can I buy a cheap vaxstation Message-ID: In article <4888d217$1@flight>, Malcolm Dunnett wrote: >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> In article <48889e6c$1@flight>, Malcolm Dunnett > writes: >>> ps: I could probably give you an Alphaserver GS140, but >>> it's the size of a large refrigerator and needs 3-phase >>> power :-) >> >> Can I pick this up? :) > >Sure, but it's a continent away from New Jersey (on Vancouver Island) > >:-) > >If you feel like a cross-country drive let me know and I'll tell >you where to find me. Well I've got a Vaxstation 3100M38 that worked when I last booted it. I'd be willing to part with it if it's to a good home and not a landfill. I could even be convinced to include a SCSI CDRom and correct cable for the Vaxstation. Unfortunately, I haven't had time to play with it and it should go to someone who'd appreciate it. I think it's full up on memory and has run X (er DECWindows) to an IBM monitor I have with Sync on green. Bill -- -- Be comforted that in the face of all erridity and disallusionment, and despite the changing fortunes of time, there is always a big future in computer maintainance. --Deteriorata (pechter-at-gmail-dot-com) ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 2008 12:08:30 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Were can I buy a cheap vaxstation Message-ID: <+hxG3Sbyp+3z@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <4889e6d1$0$5004$607ed4bc@cv.net>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > > I have a terabyte or more in RZ29s in the garage if they really truly want > a 4.3 GB spindle. ;) Will those things talk narrow SCSI? My hobbyist spindles tend to be 2G and under. I'm stuck using the system disk in my DS10L for new storage. Maybe I should just go out and spend a few pennies. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 2008 17:19:17 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Were can I buy a cheap vaxstation Message-ID: <488a0b15$0$5004$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <+hxG3Sbyp+3z@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >In article <4889e6d1$0$5004$607ed4bc@cv.net>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >> >> I have a terabyte or more in RZ29s in the garage if they really truly want >> a 4.3 GB spindle. ;) > > Will those things talk narrow SCSI? My hobbyist spindles tend to be > 2G and under. I'm stuck using the system disk in my DS10L for new > storage. I can check. Do you need a few? How about a narrow StorageWorks cab? -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.411 ************************