INFO-VAX Sun, 15 Jun 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 332 Contents: Re: ampersand in DCL script Re: Chuck Norris says "Drill now in America for oil" Re: Chuck Norris says "Drill now in America for oil" Re: http://vmspython.dyndns.org/DownloadAndInstallationPython Re: What is a Weendoze .CHM file? Re: What is a Weendoze .CHM file? Re: What is a Weendoze .CHM file? Re: What is a Weendoze .CHM file? Re: What is a Weendoze .CHM file? Re: What is a Weendoze .CHM file? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 18:43:22 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: ampersand in DCL script Message-ID: On Jun 12, 1:03 pm, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > In article <74b17c72-2f0e-42a6-8ef2-b2b2275dc...@q27g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, kiwi-red writes: > > > Looking through some code that I am trying to debug and I came > > across the following. Can't figure out why its been done. > > > Anyone got any suggestions? > > Read the DCL manual? > > > Sorry if I am being a bit vague > > & has a similar function to '. Each causes substitution of a symbol. > Substitution by & is delayed, which many be necessary under some > circumstances. There may also be circumstances where ' is necessary > in order to prevent delay of substitution. In practice I've seen & > be needed in a situation that involved passing parameters from one .COM > file to another. > > If delay of substitution is not an issue, &symbol and 'symbol are > just alternate syntax for symbol substitution. Hang on: There are so many uses for the ampersand that it's going to take a while for me to finish preparing a post. . . . Stay tuned. AEF ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 18:41:40 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: Chuck Norris says "Drill now in America for oil" Message-ID: On Jun 13, 2:49 pm, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > In article <820d9f14-9ab1-4120-8e46-8911cd92d...@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, ultra...@gmail.com writes: > > > an interview on fox > > You get your information from Fox and you listen to an actor for > environmental advice? > > Q.E.D. My dad used to work for Exxon and just today he said that if we allowed drilling in and near the U.S. we may well have more oil than Saudi Arabia. (I don't recall the exact details.) On top of that there are the tar pits and shale oil to exploit. And we can work on turning coal into oil. If you're unhappy with today's fuel prices you can blame that and OPEC. I just heard on the news radio that Saudi Arabia will increase production slightly. And people are mad at the oil companies! Most of the money is going to OPEC, enriching our enemies. If the oil companies suddenly made zero profits the prices would be almost as high, and OPEC wouldn't notice any difference. Three Mile Island shows how safe the plant was. The operators made every mistake in the book. They did everything wrong, and STILL no one was hurt. The containment dome worked. Some will say there are alternatives to nuclear. Well, we've been hearing for years (decades?) that solar energy is coming real soon. Yeah, like the Bushies saying the same about the end of the Iraq war. And I agree with Dan that biofuels are a bad idea. I find it morally repugnant to turn food into fuel and you get plenty of greenhouse gases from them anyway, and the energy savings are probably not worth it. Windmills have problems too, like snagging aircraft, and bothering the Kennedys (;-) by being unsightly (from Martha's Vineyard, IIRC) and noisy. Hydro-power disrupts ecosystems. I think regardless of all this we need to find a way to peacefully achieve zero population growth (ZPG). The alternative will be mass starvation, disease, and wars over resources. Maybe not now, maybe not even in a few years, but just how many people can we support on this planet? 12 billion? 20 billion? 100 billion? With that much more clean water, food, energy -- good luck. Maybe technology will save the day -- who knows. Will Malthus have the final laugh? Who knows. If global warming really is as bad as some say, what's an occasional Three Mile Island (in which no one got harmed), or even a few Chernobyls compared to turning Earth into a Venus-like planet? If you want to continue banning oil drilling in and near the U.S. and construction of new nuclear power plants, then you have to pay big energy prices. If you want solar and wind power, you probably have to pay big energy prices. JMO AEF ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 22:39:02 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Chuck Norris says "Drill now in America for oil" Message-ID: <48548239$0$7271$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> AEF wrote: > On top of that there are the tar pits and shale oil to exploit. And we > can work on turning coal into oil. Full exploitation of the alberta tar sands would, by itself, generate enough CO2 to go beyond the limits for global Co2 emissions. AKA: the fossil fuels burned in the process of extracting the fossil fuels from the tar sands would generate pollution of global proportions. Gas To Liquid and Coal To Liquid are young technologies that also pollute a hell of a lot during their processing. They may mature into something which becomes environmentally and commercially viable. Not long ago, I read that 40% of the CO2 produced by Canada came from the oil industry itself (oil extraction, burning waste gas, reginery processing and the tar sands.). It is no wonder that George W Harper, loyal to oil like his uncle Bush, stopped implementation of Kyoto in canada because the oil industry itself would have had to cleanup its act (and of course, would have seen a marketf or their products that wasn't growing anymore. > If you're unhappy with today's fuel prices you can blame that and > OPEC. I just heard on the news radio that Saudi Arabia will increase > production slightly. Saudi Arabia's total contribution to worldwide production is not that significant. A small increase in production is to please certain politicians, but won't impact overall production that much. There are limits to how much it can physically increase production and distribution. > And people are mad at the oil companies! Most of > the money is going to OPEC, enriching our enemies. Yep. And making the USA poorer in the process, and your enemies now buying up portions of the USA. Hope a lesson is learned in this: don't make enemies, especially if they are rich in a commodity you need. The Bush rethoric against Venezuella is beyond logic since Venezuella is the second largest provider of Oil to the USA (after canada). And its contribution makes middle east exports to the USA pale in comparison. You'd think the USA would wanty to have a cool relationship with Venezuella if it is to mess the middle east and make lots of enemies in the middle east. > If the oil > companies suddenly made zero profits the prices would be almost as > high, and OPEC wouldn't notice any difference. If conservation measures were in place and overall consumption were to drop (including china and india), the price of oil would go down and less money would go to the mdidle east. But the western oil companies don't have any incentive for that. They love selling the oil their produce at $130 pr barrel, even if they sell it to their own refineries and then bill cosumers those inflated proces. > If global warming really is as bad as some say, what's an occasional > Three Mile Island (in which no one got harmed), or even a few > Chernobyls compared to turning Earth into a Venus-like planet? Problem with nuclear powr plants is that they take over a decade to get into commercial operation. Before pitching nuclear to the world, you need to have a logical and unified policy towards it. You can't veto Iran because they buy from Russia (despite having signed the NPT and allowing IAEA inspectors) and let Isarel get away with nukes without signing the NPT. (and lately, Bush started to help India and allowing GE to sell technoology to India despite India refusing to sign the NPT and India refusing to let go of its nuclear bombs.) > energy prices. If you want solar and wind power, you probably have to > pay big energy prices. I have news for you: high energy prices are here to stay. Learn to live with it. Learn to reduce your dependance on energy, conserve. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:53:05 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois_Pi=E9ronne?= Subject: Re: http://vmspython.dyndns.org/DownloadAndInstallationPython Message-ID: <48540583$0$3602$426a34cc@news.free.fr> Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: [snip] >> If I remember correctly the problem was that the LD container was too >> small. The latest version has been enlarged. > > I got it from http://vmspython.dyndns.org/DownloadAndInstallationPython. > > The files are > > JFPLIB0002.DSK;1 JFPPY0011.DSK;1 > > Nevertheless, it seems to work for what I want to do. > You're correct the AXP LD Python image is slightly too small... I have thought that the problem was fixed for both AXP and IA64 but only the IA64 version is correct. I will fix this in the next version of the LD images. You can safely ignore the messages and if you need room in the Python ld container delete all .pyo files. Thanks for reporting. JFP ------------------------------ Date: 14 Jun 2008 19:43:15 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: What is a Weendoze .CHM file? Message-ID: <48541f53$0$5010$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article , "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> In article , Michael Kraemer writes: >>> Robert Jarratt schrieb: >>> >>>> It is a Compiled HTML help file. I think any reasonably modern version of >>>> Windows will include a reader for it. Wikipedia has some information here: >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Compiled_HTML_Help >>> Weird. As if plain HTML with an ordinary browser would not be >>> good enough for displaying a help text. >>> That's M$ at its best (or worst). >> >> I found a program called xCHM and installed it on my Linux box. It opened >> the manual (which wasn't worth a shit anyway) and I can't see WHY this was >> not just simple HTML or PDF other than to expand Billzebub's evil empire. >> > >I don't know about HTML but generating PDF usually costs money. There >MAY be freeware tools but I haven't heard of them! Ghostscript... free! -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:25:09 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: What is a Weendoze .CHM file? Message-ID: ewilts wrote: > On Jun 14, 9:45 am, "Richard B. Gilbert" > wrote: >> I don't know about HTML but generating PDF usually costs money. There >> MAY be freeware tools but I haven't heard of them! > > There are many free print-to-PDF type of applications out there for > Windows. I'm sure that there are others for other operating systems. > A Google search for "print to pdf" will help you find them. > OpenOffice also exports to PDF (I've used this on Linux) as does the > current version of Microsoft Office. > > Editing PDFs is harder but generating them has been pretty much free > for many years. Well, I knew about Microsoft Word but that does cost money, lots of money. I think Adobe Acrobat does so as well but that is not cheap either. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:36:25 -0400 From: bradhamilton Subject: Re: What is a Weendoze .CHM file? Message-ID: <485455F9.6060206@comcast.net> Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > ewilts wrote: >> On Jun 14, 9:45 am, "Richard B. Gilbert" >> wrote: >>> I don't know about HTML but generating PDF usually costs money. There >>> MAY be freeware tools but I haven't heard of them! >> >> There are many free print-to-PDF type of applications out there for >> Windows. I'm sure that there are others for other operating systems. >> A Google search for "print to pdf" will help you find them. >> OpenOffice also exports to PDF (I've used this on Linux) as does the >> current version of Microsoft Office. >> >> Editing PDFs is harder but generating them has been pretty much free >> for many years. > > Well, I knew about Microsoft Word but that does cost money, lots of > money. I think Adobe Acrobat does so as well but that is not cheap either. > OpenOffice is free, and available for Windows... ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jun 2008 02:24:12 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: What is a Weendoze .CHM file? Message-ID: <6bjcqcF3brg2aU1@mid.individual.net> In article , "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> In article , Michael Kraemer writes: >>> Robert Jarratt schrieb: >>> >>>> It is a Compiled HTML help file. I think any reasonably modern version of >>>> Windows will include a reader for it. Wikipedia has some information here: >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Compiled_HTML_Help >>> Weird. As if plain HTML with an ordinary browser would not be >>> good enough for displaying a help text. >>> That's M$ at its best (or worst). >> >> I found a program called xCHM and installed it on my Linux box. It opened >> the manual (which wasn't worth a shit anyway) and I can't see WHY this was >> not just simple HTML or PDF other than to expand Billzebub's evil empire. >> > > I don't know about HTML but generating PDF usually costs money. There > MAY be freeware tools but I haven't heard of them! I make PDF's on my BSD boxes all the time and they don't cost a dime. I just print to a PDF file. Just because it costs miney on Windows and can't be done on VMS doesn't mean there aren't more than adequate free solutions. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:39:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "winston19842005@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: What is a Weendoze .CHM file? Message-ID: On Jun 14, 10:24 pm, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > In article , > "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > > > > > VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >> In article , Michael Kraemer writes: > >>> Robert Jarratt schrieb: > > >>>> It is a Compiled HTML help file. I think any reasonably modern version of > >>>> Windows will include a reader for it. Wikipedia has some information here: > >>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Compiled_HTML_Help > >>> Weird. As if plain HTML with an ordinary browser would not be > >>> good enough for displaying a help text. > >>> That's M$ at its best (or worst). > > >> I found a program called xCHM and installed it on my Linux box. It opened > >> the manual (which wasn't worth a shit anyway) and I can't see WHY this was > >> not just simple HTML or PDF other than to expand Billzebub's evil empire. > > > I don't know about HTML but generating PDF usually costs money. There > > MAY be freeware tools but I haven't heard of them! > > I make PDF's on my BSD boxes all the time and they don't cost a dime. > I just print to a PDF file. > > Just because it costs miney on Windows and can't be done on VMS doesn't > mean there aren't more than adequate free solutions. > OS X, too! ;) Really nice to have the ability to print directly to pdf, compressed pdf, or even post-script formats. I had a pdf-print utility on my WinMe system a few years back... Just had to put up with it adding text to each page advertising itself. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:29:34 +0930 From: Mark Daniel Subject: Re: What is a Weendoze .CHM file? Message-ID: Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article , > "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > >>VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> >>>In article , Michael Kraemer writes: >>> >>>>Robert Jarratt schrieb: >>>> >>>> >>>>>It is a Compiled HTML help file. I think any reasonably modern version of >>>>>Windows will include a reader for it. Wikipedia has some information here: >>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Compiled_HTML_Help >>>> >>>>Weird. As if plain HTML with an ordinary browser would not be >>>>good enough for displaying a help text. >>>>That's M$ at its best (or worst). >>> >>>I found a program called xCHM and installed it on my Linux box. It opened >>>the manual (which wasn't worth a shit anyway) and I can't see WHY this was >>>not just simple HTML or PDF other than to expand Billzebub's evil empire. >>> >> >>I don't know about HTML but generating PDF usually costs money. There >>MAY be freeware tools but I haven't heard of them! > > > I make PDF's on my BSD boxes all the time and they don't cost a dime. > I just print to a PDF file. > > Just because it costs miney on Windows and > can't be done on VMS The PDF versions of the WASD documentation http://wasd.vsm.com.au/ are produced on the same VMS system. > doesn't mean there aren't more than adequate free solutions. > > bill -- No doubt soaring cathedrals, stirring music, moving stories and parables, help a bit. But by far the most important variable determining your religion is the accident of birth. [Richard Dawkins; Viruses of the Mind] ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.332 ************************