INFO-VAX Wed, 11 Jun 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 325 Contents: AlphaStation 200 and RZ29B-E Re: AlphaStation 200 and RZ29B-E Re: AlphaStation 200 and RZ29B-E Re: AlphaStation 200 and RZ29B-E Re: AlphaStation 200 and RZ29B-E DS10L clock battery question Re: DS10L clock battery question Re: Happy 10 years of continuous virus free computing on OpenVMS alpha 7.1 alpha Re: Happy 10 years of continuous virus free computing on OpenVMS alpha 7.1 Re: How secur is delete/erase ? Re: How to read a damaged TK50 tape Re: Interesting job ad from HP Re: Interesting job ad from HP Re: Interesting job ad from HP Re: Interesting job ad from HP LAT SET PORT problem Re: LAT SET PORT problem Re: LAT SET PORT problem Re: LAT SET PORT problem Re: NCL question Re: Need an external CD/DVD writer for DS10. OpenVMS v8.3 on Integrity and DVD/CD Rewritable Drive (Model DRX-800UL) with USB Re: OpenVMS v8.3 on Integrity and DVD/CD Rewritable Drive (Model DRX-800UL) wit Re: OpenVMS v8.3 on Integrity and DVD/CD Rewritable Drive (Model DRX-800UL) with Re: OT: What filtering does Hotmail use? Python for VMS Re: Python for VMS Re: Python for VMS Re: Python for VMS Re: where to buy these 2 vms books? Re: where to buy these 2 vms books? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:13:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gezelter Subject: AlphaStation 200 and RZ29B-E Message-ID: <2e0f166f-1083-4466-9ac4-aa36b16ad311@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com> To all, Does anyone have (or a pointer) to the power and thermal specifications for the AlphaStation 200? I would like to check the power and cooling vis-a-vis a RZ29B-E (aka Seagate Barracuda ST15150- N). - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:26:37 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: AlphaStation 200 and RZ29B-E Message-ID: In article <2e0f166f-1083-4466-9ac4-aa36b16ad311@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>, Bob Gezelter writes: > To all, > > Does anyone have (or a pointer) to the power and thermal > specifications for the AlphaStation 200? I would like to check the > power and cooling vis-a-vis a RZ29B-E (aka Seagate Barracuda ST15150- > N). I have several RZ29L-%% disks. IIRC, they run too hot for the AlphaStation 200. External SCSI boxes are cheap; why not put the disk(s) in an external box? Much easier to swap. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jun 2008 15:36:51 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaStation 200 and RZ29B-E Message-ID: <484ff113$0$5018$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article , helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: >In article ><2e0f166f-1083-4466-9ac4-aa36b16ad311@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>, Bob >Gezelter writes: > >> To all, >> >> Does anyone have (or a pointer) to the power and thermal >> specifications for the AlphaStation 200? I would like to check the >> power and cooling vis-a-vis a RZ29B-E (aka Seagate Barracuda ST15150- >> N). > >I have several RZ29L-%% disks. IIRC, they run too hot for the >AlphaStation 200. External SCSI boxes are cheap; why not put the >disk(s) in an external box? Much easier to swap. I do have one in an AS200. It's been happily running for years. However, they do run hot so I have only one in the AS200 and I modified the mounting sled to allow the drive to be mounted in the middle of the space. I do not, however, have any thermal documentation to satisfy Bob's initial request. Sorry Bob. I do have one of the original specs for mounting the Alpha chip and its heat sink. That, I believe, is all that I have with any thermal figures/specs. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:25:04 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.info (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: AlphaStation 200 and RZ29B-E Message-ID: <08061110250423_20200492@antinode.info> From: Bob Gezelter > Does anyone have (or a pointer) to the power and thermal > specifications for the AlphaStation 200? I would like to check the > power and cooling vis-a-vis a RZ29B-E (aka Seagate Barracuda ST15150- > N). If all you want to know is whether you can use an ST15150N in the thing, you could go to seagate.com, and get the specs for it and for some supported drive(s), and compare them. This is bound to be easier than trying to find and interpret any thermal specs for an AlpSta 200. Personally, many years ago, when they were new, I found the ST15150N (one of the very first Barracuda -- 7200r/m -- drives) to be better for making toast than for storing data, and, barring physical coercion, I emphatically would _not_ install one in the very tight interior of an AlpSta 200. At , we found them overheating and dying within a year or so in normal external SCSI enclosures, where other older 5400r/m (Hawk) drives had had no trouble at all. Adding a fan inside the box, blowing directly onto the top of the disk drive, helped considerably, but it'd be hard to add such a fan in an AlpSta 200, and there are all kinds of newer, bigger, faster, cooler SCSI disk drives which I'd use long before I'd install one of those obsolete furnaces in any equipment which I wanted to work for more than a few months. Did I mention that I was not a big fan of the ST15150N (which definitely _needs_ a big fan)? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-info 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:21:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: AlphaStation 200 and RZ29B-E Message-ID: <906d9e28-8223-4899-9013-1ec1d5d00b5e@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> On Jun 11, 9:13 am, Bob Gezelter wrote: > To all, > > Does anyone have (or a pointer) to the power and thermal > specifications for the AlphaStation 200? I would like to check the > power and cooling vis-a-vis a RZ29B-E (aka Seagate Barracuda ST15150- > N). > > - Bob Gezelter,http://www.rlgsc.com Bob, I don't have full specs handy but here's what little I do have. This is from the pre-release AS200 user guide: 100-120VAC Rated Input Current 4A (including outlet) 220-240VAX Rated Input Current 3A (including outlet) Power supply max rating: 180W (no breakdown of max current for different voltage supplies) Following is for the other (later?) power supply, a 210W unit: Auxiliary AC output 2 Amps max at 115 volts (1 Amp at 230 volts) DC Outputs Max Load Max Power Ripple (Peak to Peak) +3.3 V 35.0 Amp 115.5 W 50 mV +5.0 V 30.0 Amp 150.0 W 50 mV -5.0 V 0.3 Amp 1.5 W 150 mV +12.0 V 4.6 Amp 55.2 W 100 mV -12.0 V 0.3 Amp 3.6 W 150 mV Total 210 W Note: The maximum power from any combination of +3.3 V and +5.0 V together does not exceed 150 W. Environmental only lists the following: Operating temperature range 10C to 40C Maximum rate of change 11C per hour Relative humidity 20% to 80% with diskette or tape Altitude 2400 meters (8000 feet) @36C Acoustic - power 4.8 B LWAd (Idle), 4.9 B LWAd (operating) Acoustic - pressure 39 dBA LpAm (idle), 40 dBA LpAm (operating) Nothing about internal heat or heat/power handling for the drives; that would probably be in a tech or service manual that I don't have. The RZ29s were Barracuda's weren't they? You could probably find the power/heat specs for them online. I agree with Phillip; we ran an RZ29 in an AS200 for about 1 week in the internal bay; the heat radiating from the top of the case over the drive was impressive (the drive touched the case lid). We then put it into the CDROM bay with a front cooling fan (the same thing we used to do to keep RZ29s alive in a DECAXP PC150) and that was OK for the time we had to run it (when we got a newer, thinner, cooler, bigger drive to run in the internal bay). I would not recommend this drive in the inside bay. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:45:10 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: DS10L clock battery question Message-ID: <48500262$0$12270$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> With a DS10L "soft" powered off Aka: hardware button is "ON", but system is OFF, with the RMC active on serial port, Does this status result in external power being used to keep the motherboard's clock alive ? AKA: if the system remains in this state for a long period of time, will it draw down the clock's battery as it would if it were unplugged ? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:51:34 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.info (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: DS10L clock battery question Message-ID: <08061111513485_20200492@antinode.info> From: JF Mezei > With a DS10L "soft" powered off > > Aka: hardware button is "ON", but system is OFF, with the RMC active on > serial port, > > Does this status result in external power being used to keep the > motherboard's clock alive ? If it's talking to a serial port, then (all) the power's not really off, is it? Or do you think that the RMC is running off the battery? I know nothing, but this sounds unlikely. And if there's some power, it might be running the clock. too. > AKA: if the system remains in this state for a long period of time, will > it draw down the clock's battery as it would if it were unplugged ? I'd assume not, but if you're worried, measure the current. I'd assume that a suitable probe could be constructed from a bit of paper and two bits of aluminum foil. Faster and easier than finding anyone who actually knows the answer (a priori). And more reliable. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-info 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:19:17 -0700 (PDT) From: ultradwc@gmail.com Subject: Re: Happy 10 years of continuous virus free computing on OpenVMS alpha 7.1 alpha Message-ID: On Jun 10, 7:38 pm, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > In article <90d9d32c-ee99-435b-84d9-c46d97012...@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, > ultra...@gmail.com writes: > > > how many other OS's can claim that? > > I have never had a virus on Unix and I have been running it in it's many > different flavors, frequently in rather hostile environments, for more > than 20 years. I haven't had a virus on a windows box under my control > in more than 10 years. I have never seen a virus on a machine running > Primos and they have been around for more than 20 years as well. How > about Unisys EXEC? zOS? MVS? It is much easier to count the OSes that > are susceptible to viruses than those not. And even the worst can be > safely operated. > > bill > > -- > Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves > billg...@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton | > Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include how many cert patches have you had though? ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jun 2008 07:38:47 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Happy 10 years of continuous virus free computing on OpenVMS alpha 7.1 Message-ID: In article <6b8hjeF37og03U2@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > > I have never had a virus on Unix and I have been running it in it's many > different flavors Now you know "UNIX is the first virus witrh a human interface", so your statement refutes itself. 8-) As for Windows, we haven't had a security issue or BSOD since yesterday. Probably because we just got in this morning. Might not know if it's a virus for a while. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jun 2008 07:35:35 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: How secur is delete/erase ? Message-ID: <5FHmvfUznOi0@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <484efd78$0$11606$607ed4bc@cv.net>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > > Would those be the $700.00 or $7,000.00 sledgehammers? > Depends on who's doing the purchasing. I've actually worked with government personnel who know how to buy hammers from hardare stores. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:26:44 +0100 From: baldrick Subject: Re: How to read a damaged TK50 tape Message-ID: <4fSdnQ3NFuUdK9LVRVnygwA@posted.plusnet> Robert Jarratt wrote: > I am attempting to read a tape that may be physically damaged in a few > places. It contains a backup saveset and I get some parity errors when > trying to read it. I would like to recover what I can. What is the best way > to do this with VMS? Just wanted to add this to the thread... If you have old tapes stored in a cool and unknown humidity environment, you would find it is well worth holding them in a warm and dry location (circa 40-50 degrees C) for at least 24 hours prior to attempting to read them. I find that an airing cupboard with a hot water tank is quite suitable. 60 degrees C is probably the maximum you'd consider. I've had a few TK's (TK50 and TK70) jam in drives, and this process helps no end. It is also known as baking and it was designed to address a particular troublesome tape formulation but in my experience it holds with most long term stored tape. I also leave the tapes in the dry warm environment for several days before I try to use them. because my airing cupboard is at the lower end of the temp scale I leave the tapes in for a few days. it won't fix "damaged" but it could help reduce the collective problems that prevent successful reading. Google "baking tapes" Nic -- nclews at csc dot com aka Mr. CP Charges ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:48:18 +0200 From: Michael Kraemer Subject: Re: Interesting job ad from HP Message-ID: yyyc186 schrieb: > > It might be a response to some rumors I've heard in the steel > industry. Virtually all of the steel mills use some form of DEC OS, > from PDP all the way through Itanic. There have been some serious > grumblings there about the level of service VMS is receiving and the > level of commitment on the part of HP. If just a couple of the global > steel companies banded together, they could do a hostile take over of > HP that the HP family could not defend against. > When your down time > is measured in tens of thousands of dollars per second, you don't take > lightly someone messing with a tool you've used for years. Highly unlikely, IMHO. From the perspective of the respective CEOs, the actual OS in the control rooms is just a minor detail, a single component among many others. It's the IT division leader's job to fix downtime issues on his own. If he can't, he'll be fired. In this situation, it's more likely that he will switch to another platform which receives better attention, rather than trying to convince his higher-ups to launch a - probably very expensive - take-over. $1xx Bn to save an OS with (probably) less than $1Bn annual revenue ? When IBM started to "mistreat" OS/2, did banks and insurance even think about taking over IBM ? Absurd idea. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 05:20:54 -0700 (PDT) From: yyyc186 Subject: Re: Interesting job ad from HP Message-ID: On Jun 11, 1:48=A0am, Michael Kraemer wrote: > yyyc186 schrieb: > > > > > It might be a response to some rumors I've heard in the steel > > industry. =A0Virtually all of the steel mills use some form of DEC OS, > > from PDP all the way through Itanic. =A0There have been some serious > > grumblings there about the level of service VMS is receiving and the > > level of commitment on the part of HP. =A0If just a couple of the global= > > steel companies banded together, they could do a hostile take over of > > HP that the HP family could not defend against. > > When your down time > > is measured in tens of thousands of dollars per second, you don't take > > lightly someone messing with a tool you've used for years. > > Highly unlikely, IMHO. From the perspective of the respective CEOs, > the actual OS in the control rooms is just a minor detail, > a single component among many others. It's the IT division > leader's job to fix downtime issues on his own. > If he can't, he'll be fired. In this situation, it's > more likely that he will switch to another platform which > receives better attention, rather than trying to convince > his higher-ups to launch a - probably very expensive - take-over. > $1xx Bn to save an OS with (probably) less than $1Bn annual revenue ? > > When IBM started to "mistreat" OS/2, did banks and insurance > even think about taking over IBM ? Absurd idea. Banks and insurance companies had both options and regularly scheduled business hours. Most steel mills for profitable steel companies run 3 shifts. The lines are non-stop. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jun 2008 07:45:04 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Interesting job ad from HP Message-ID: In article , Michael Kraemer writes: > > Highly unlikely, IMHO. From the perspective of the respective CEOs, > the actual OS in the control rooms is just a minor detail, > a single component among many others. When you need an F18, you don't buy a C-172 and hope it'll do. You get someone to build an F18. You don't let them stop building F18s until you have met your need. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:53:34 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Interesting job ad from HP Message-ID: <029b45ed$1$25049$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Bob Koehler wrote: > When you need an F18, you don't buy a C-172 and hope it'll do. > You get someone to build an F18. You don't let them stop building > F18s until you have met your need. You don't need an F18. You need a plane with certain functions/capabilities. When a better plane comes along, you gradually replace your fleet with the newer plane. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:51:05 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: LAT SET PORT problem Message-ID: Hi. I've got a LAT problem that extensive googling and VMS doc-search hasn't solved. For a specific LTA-number, I can't SET PORT. Below is the output for one port (2312) that works OK and one (2311) that always gives BADPARAM back. The same command line was used, just "recalled" and edited inline to change "12" into "11". I saw some (very) old entry on some forum where there was a note about some earlier problem with "some port-numbers". But that was *very* old... This site uses 100's of LTA devices, and I do not think that they have seen this error before. VMS 8.2 on a DS20e using UPDATE-6 patch level. Jan-Erik. $ LCP CREATE PORT LTA2312: /NOLOG $ LCP SET PORT LTA2312: /APPLICATION /NODE=TS23 /PORT=PORT_12 $ $ LCP CREATE PORT LTA2311: /NOLOG $ LCP SET PORT LTA2311: /APPLICATION /NODE=TS23 /PORT=PORT_11 %LAT-W-CMDERROR, error reported by command executor -SYSTEM-F-BADPARAM, bad parameter value ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:48:36 -0700 (PDT) From: BHall Subject: Re: LAT SET PORT problem Message-ID: <111911b1-7a3b-48d7-bcb7-4caf4a815297@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On Jun 11, 10:51 am, Jan-Erik S=F6derholm wrote: > Hi. > I've got a LAT problem that extensive googling and > VMS doc-search hasn't solved. > > For a specific LTA-number, I can't SET PORT. > > Below is the output for one port (2312) that > works OK and one (2311) that always gives > BADPARAM back. The same command line was used, > just "recalled" and edited inline to change > "12" into "11". > > I saw some (very) old entry on some forum where > there was a note about some earlier problem with > "some port-numbers". But that was *very* old... > > This site uses 100's of LTA devices, and I do not > think that they have seen this error before. > > VMS 8.2 on a DS20e using UPDATE-6 patch level. > > Jan-Erik. > > $ LCP CREATE PORT LTA2312: /NOLOG > $ LCP SET PORT LTA2312: /APPLICATION /NODE=3DTS23 /PORT=3DPORT_12 > $ > > $ LCP CREATE PORT LTA2311: /NOLOG > $ LCP SET PORT LTA2311: /APPLICATION /NODE=3DTS23 /PORT=3DPORT_11 > %LAT-W-CMDERROR, error reported by command executor > -SYSTEM-F-BADPARAM, bad parameter value My guess is someone renamed the port on the terminal server. We normally do this for ports used for reverse LAT so we can tell from the terminal server console what "device" is supposed to be at the end of the asynch line attached to the port. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:58:23 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: LAT SET PORT problem Message-ID: BHall wrote: > On Jun 11, 10:51 am, Jan-Erik Söderholm > wrote: >> Hi. >> I've got a LAT problem that extensive googling and >> VMS doc-search hasn't solved. >> >> For a specific LTA-number, I can't SET PORT. >> >> Below is the output for one port (2312) that >> works OK and one (2311) that always gives >> BADPARAM back. The same command line was used, >> just "recalled" and edited inline to change >> "12" into "11". >> >> I saw some (very) old entry on some forum where >> there was a note about some earlier problem with >> "some port-numbers". But that was *very* old... >> >> This site uses 100's of LTA devices, and I do not >> think that they have seen this error before. >> >> VMS 8.2 on a DS20e using UPDATE-6 patch level. >> >> Jan-Erik. >> >> $ LCP CREATE PORT LTA2312: /NOLOG >> $ LCP SET PORT LTA2312: /APPLICATION /NODE=TS23 /PORT=PORT_12 >> $ >> >> $ LCP CREATE PORT LTA2311: /NOLOG >> $ LCP SET PORT LTA2311: /APPLICATION /NODE=TS23 /PORT=PORT_11 >> %LAT-W-CMDERROR, error reported by command executor >> -SYSTEM-F-BADPARAM, bad parameter value > > My guess is someone renamed the port on the terminal server. We > normally do this for ports used for reverse LAT so we can tell from > the terminal server console what "device" is supposed to be at the end > of the asynch line attached to the port. > > Bill 1. No, it's not renamed (I should/could have said that). 2. Are you sure that the SET PORT command actualy tries to access the term-server ? $ $ mc latcp cre port lta111: $ mc latcp set port lta111: /appl /node=xyz /port=abc $ That dosn't report any error even if neither the node nor the port exists. Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:39:03 -0700 (PDT) From: BHall Subject: Re: LAT SET PORT problem Message-ID: <828ba42a-926a-4fda-a92b-d70803e56bbd@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Jun 11, 11:58 am, Jan-Erik S=F6derholm wrote: > BHall wrote: > > On Jun 11, 10:51 am, Jan-Erik S=F6derholm = > > wrote: > >> Hi. > >> I've got a LAT problem that extensive googling and > >> VMS doc-search hasn't solved. > > >> For a specific LTA-number, I can't SET PORT. > > >> Below is the output for one port (2312) that > >> works OK and one (2311) that always gives > >> BADPARAM back. The same command line was used, > >> just "recalled" and edited inline to change > >> "12" into "11". > > >> I saw some (very) old entry on some forum where > >> there was a note about some earlier problem with > >> "some port-numbers". But that was *very* old... > > >> This site uses 100's of LTA devices, and I do not > >> think that they have seen this error before. > > >> VMS 8.2 on a DS20e using UPDATE-6 patch level. > > >> Jan-Erik. > > >> $ LCP CREATE PORT LTA2312: /NOLOG > >> $ LCP SET PORT LTA2312: /APPLICATION /NODE=3DTS23 /PORT=3DPORT_12 > >> $ > > >> $ LCP CREATE PORT LTA2311: /NOLOG > >> $ LCP SET PORT LTA2311: /APPLICATION /NODE=3DTS23 /PORT=3DPORT_11 > >> %LAT-W-CMDERROR, error reported by command executor > >> -SYSTEM-F-BADPARAM, bad parameter value > > > My guess is someone renamed the port on the terminal server. We > > normally do this for ports used for reverse LAT so we can tell from > > the terminal server console what "device" is supposed to be at the end > > of the asynch line attached to the port. > > > Bill > > 1. No, it's not renamed (I should/could have said that). > > 2. Are you sure that the SET PORT command actualy > tries to access the term-server ? > $ > $ mc latcp cre port lta111: > $ mc latcp set port lta111: /appl /node=3Dxyz /port=3Dabc > $ > > That dosn't report any error even if neither the node > nor the port exists. > > Jan-Erik. Jan-Erik, Yes, on an VMS 8.3 system LATCP does not attempt to verify the set port definition is valid. Off the top of my head I thought it did at one time. I've tried to reproduce your error and can't. Does $latcp show port lta2311: look "normal" to you? Did you try deleting the port and recreating it? Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:48:45 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: NCL question Message-ID: <029b44cb$0$25049$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > Don't know what "f s c n c e ""*""" might mean or do but I'd suggest > spelling it out in full if you are going to put it in a command file! [airplane !!! mode] No. That is exactly what your successor will expect. [/airplane !!! mode] Besides, if your successor comes from unix land, he'll be used to cryptic commands :-) ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jun 2008 07:34:23 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Need an external CD/DVD writer for DS10. Message-ID: In article <484efe38$0$11606$607ed4bc@cv.net>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > > Not at all or just for OpenVMS? I was thinking of trying a Linux distro > on a DS10L. Before I go pulling out large handfuls of hair (and those'd > be big handfuls with my mop) trying to get it to support USB, this would > be good to know. What I learned here is that the DS10L USB couldn't even be fixed by a firware upgrade, assuming one had the ability to burn a new PROM, or whatever it uses. If it had just been a driver issue, even a not-really-fixable issue, I would have looked into it further. A working USB would be a quick, cheap way to expand the storage on my DS10L. Maybe someday I'll buy an I/O card for the empty PCI slot instead. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 03:18:26 -0700 (PDT) From: andrewr@cornasys.com Subject: OpenVMS v8.3 on Integrity and DVD/CD Rewritable Drive (Model DRX-800UL) with USB Message-ID: Hi, Has anyone had any experience attaching DVD USB writers to OpenVMS v8.3 on HP Integrity? Do they work? Thanks Andrew ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jun 2008 13:00:50 +0200 From: vaxinf@chemie.uni-konstanz.de Subject: Re: OpenVMS v8.3 on Integrity and DVD/CD Rewritable Drive (Model DRX-800UL) wit Message-ID: <484fb062$1@merkur.rz.uni-konstanz.de> In article , andrewr@cornasys.com writes: |>Hi, |> |>Has anyone had any experience attaching DVD USB writers to OpenVMS |>v8.3 on HP Integrity? |> |>Do they work? |> |>Thanks |>Andrew |> My advice is to switch to V8.3-1H1. USB V2.0 instead of slow V1.1. eberhard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:58:07 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Re: OpenVMS v8.3 on Integrity and DVD/CD Rewritable Drive (Model DRX-800UL) with Message-ID: FYI we can provide an external USB/Firewire DVD-DL/CDRW for $169 -- David B Turner ============================================= Island Computers US Corp PO Box 86 Tybee GA 31328 Toll Free: 1-877 636 4332 x201, Mobile x251 Email: dturner@islandco.com International & Local: (001)- 404-806-7749 Fax: 912 786 8505 Web: www.islandco.com ============================================= wrote in message news:a15f1fe4-f856-475e-99a0-e88d7575846d@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... > Hi, > > Has anyone had any experience attaching DVD USB writers to OpenVMS > v8.3 on HP Integrity? > > Do they work? > > Thanks > Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:04:34 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: OT: What filtering does Hotmail use? Message-ID: In article <6b8i41F37og03U3@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >In article , > Michael Austin writes: >> David Turner, Island Computers wrote: >>> STCTON10-1168104581.sdsl.bell.ca is the RDNS listing for your IP. >>> It should be weaverconsulting.ca >>> >>> >>> >> >> my guess is that his problem is the same as mine has always been. You >> are being bounced because you are using Dynamic DNS or have not had >> bell.ca add your static IP address as the RDNS. >> >> Most companies now reject anything that does not properly RDNS. Period. >> Not only does it make it harder for spammers, it screws the legitimate >> guys that want to maintain their own SMTP sites. Some ISP's (ATT, SBC, >> etc....) now block ANY outbound port 25 traffic forcing you to use their >> authenticated, SSL smtp server. > >As it should be!! If all networks, especially ISP's blocked port 25 for >all machines except those specifically registered as email MTA's SPAM >would quickly become almost non-existant. > It would definitely help with viruses but spammers would adapt. Instead of the zombies sending directly they would send via the ISP's mailhub. With viruses it is easy for the ISP just to scan outgoing mail for viruses just as it should be doing for incoming mail. However scanning for outgoing spam is more problematic. Spam detecting software is fairly error prone with false positives and false negatives. Also there are lots of cases where something might be spam if it was sent unrequested but unknown to the ISP's mailhub the recipient had explicitly requested it. When you scan incoming mail you can cater for these possibilities by tagging, quarantining and allowing your users to set up their own whitelists. It's difficult to do that when the recipients are external to your organisation (and in my experience users can get extremely upset if you tag their "legitimate" mail as SPAM.) I suppose you might be able to slow things down slightly with throttling on the central mailhub but with the large botnets available the spammers don't really need to send spam out at any really high rate. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University >bill > >-- >Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves >billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. >University of Scranton | >Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:28:01 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Python for VMS Message-ID: As a response to my recent post regarding newsreaders etc, someone suggested a Python script. This would fit the bill for my urgent need and I can keep running the old stuff otherwise. Where can I get Python for VMS? Are VAX and ALPHA versions available? How long does a bare-bones installation take? How much disk space do I need? How much RAM? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:43:47 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Python for VMS Message-ID: Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > As a response to my recent post regarding newsreaders etc, someone > suggested a Python script. This would fit the bill for my urgent need > and I can keep running the old stuff otherwise. > > Where can I get Python for VMS? Are VAX and ALPHA versions available? http://vmspython.dyndns.org/ http://vmspython.dyndns.org/DownloadAndInstallationPython No VAX. Alpha and IA64. > How long does a bare-bones installation take? The download time, more or less. > How much disk space do I need? Same as the size of the LD-containers. Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:46:37 +0100 From: "R.A.Omond" Subject: Re: Python for VMS Message-ID: Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > As a response to my recent post regarding newsreaders etc, someone > suggested a Python script. This would fit the bill for my urgent need > and I can keep running the old stuff otherwise. > > Where can I get Python for VMS? Are VAX and ALPHA versions available? > How long does a bare-bones installation take? How much disk space do I > need? How much RAM? Phillip, this has been discussed *very* recently here. I'm sure JFP will respond in due course, but here's a recent post from jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com: http://vmspython.dyndns.org/ It uses the two LD-disks. Just to download and mount as LDA drives. They are pre-installed and ready to run. Works like a charm, inkl the Rdb interface and a lot of VMS specific system functions. I second this; it's very easy to setup. There's no VAX version that I am aware of (possibly because of lack of IEEE floating-point ?). I've got it setup using logical disks on my Mac Mini as an NFS server (how's that for convoluted ;-) Wizard» dire dnfs4:[Python] Directory DNFS4:[Python] .DS_Store;1 13/13 JFPLIB0002.DSK;1 200000/200000 JFPPY0011.DSK;1 700000/700000 Wizard» sh dev ld Device Device Error Volume Free Trans Mnt Name Status Count Label Blocks Count Cnt $1$LDA1: (WIZARD) Mounted 0 JFPLIB0002 61424 1 1 $1$LDA2: (WIZARD) Mounted 0 JFPPY0011 194800 4 1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:38:36 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: Python for VMS Message-ID: In article , "R.A.Omond" writes: > > Where can I get Python for VMS? Are VAX and ALPHA versions available? > > How long does a bare-bones installation take? How much disk space do I > > need? How much RAM? > > Phillip, this has been discussed *very* recently here. I don't doubt it, but since I haven't had any need for Python up until now, I haven't been following any discussion on it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:31:07 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht Subject: Re: where to buy these 2 vms books? Message-ID: <20080611103107.GA19340@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:41:04AM -0700, johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com wrote: > On Jun 10, 11:37 am, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > I'm interested in these 2 books, both 2nd edition, but cannot > > find any bookseller that have either. The books appear on various > > bookseller sites, but all "unavailable". Moreover, the details, > > e.g. publication year, differ slightly from one site to another, > > but ISBNs seem to be correct. > > > > Could anybody recommend a bookseller > > that might have either books in stock please. > > > > many thanks > > anton > > > > OpenVMS Performance Management > > von Hein VanKoelen (Autor), Joginder Sethi (Autor), Hein van Koelen (Autor) > > * Verlag: Digital Press; Auflage: 2nd Ed (30. April 2003) > > * ISBN-10: 1555582753 > > * ISBN-13: 978-1555582753 > > > Available at Amazon (US) http://www.amazon.com/OpenVMS-Performance-Management-HP-Technologies/dp/1555581269 > Amazon IK > http://www.amazon.co.uk/OpenVMS-Performance-Management-HP-Technologies/dp/1555581269/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1213119058&sr=8-1 > > Or from the publisher Elsevier (Formerly Digital Press) > http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/bookdescription.cws_home/677438/description#description no, that's the 1st edition. I need the 2nd edition, from 2003. thanks anton -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jun 2008 10:15:18 -0400 From: brooks@cuebid.zko.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks) Subject: Re: where to buy these 2 vms books? Message-ID: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >>>>> Writing Open VMS Alpha Device Drivers in C: >>>>> Developer's Guide and Reference Manual (Paperback) >>>>> by Margie Sherlock (Author), Leonard Szubowicz (Author) >>>>> >>>>> * Paperback: 896 pages >>>>> * Publisher: Digital Press; 2nd Ed edition (31 Jul 1999) or 2003 ? >>>>> * Language English >>>>> * ISBN-10: 1555582095 >>>>> * ISBN-13: 978-1555582098 > C'mon! We all know that the definitive documentation is called the source > listings. I have two copies of the book (one Margie signed for me) and I > have only used it for cursory reference. Lenny's book (he provided the technical content; Margie was the technical writer) is very much out of date. If you are unfamiliar with the VMS device driver model and the various data structures involved (UCB, IRP, DDT, FDT, DPT, etc.), reading this book can be a good first step in seeking to understand this stuff. -- Rob Brooks MSL -- Nashua brooks!cuebid.zko.hp.com ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.325 ************************