INFO-VAX	Mon, 09 Jun 2008	Volume 2008 : Issue 320

   Contents:
Re: Configuring an MSL fibre NSR via serial port
Re: NCL question
Re: NCL question
OT: What filtering does Hotmail use?
Re: OT: What filtering does Hotmail use?
Re: You're not being the ball Danny. (Was: OpenVMS Boot Camp Update)
Re: You're not being the ball Danny. (Was: OpenVMS Boot Camp Update)
Re: You're not being the ball Danny. (Was: OpenVMS Boot Camp Update)
Re: You're not being the ball Danny. (Was: OpenVMS Boot Camp Update)

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Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 16:34:19 -0500
From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Configuring an MSL fibre NSR via serial port
Message-ID: <484C505B.B51171C4@spam.comcast.net>

"David Turner, Island Computers" wrote:
> 
> 300576-001
> This is the cable fyi for the MSL
> Just looked it up

How much for your time to trace out the cable and post a pinout?

D.J.D.

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Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 18:23:24 GMT
From: "Colin Butcher" <colinDOT.butcherAT@xdeltaDOT.coDOT.uk>
Subject: Re: NCL question
Message-ID: <wsV2k.5664$E41.1164@text.news.virginmedia.com>

The easy way is to type "@SYS$MANAGER:NET$CONFIGURE.COM ADVANCED" and 
reconfigure the circuits that way, or indeed redo the whole configuration 
making other changes as needed (eg: drop hello timer to say 30 rather than 
600, set the naming to be LOCAL,DOMAIN and the DOMAIN naming BIND resolver 
to be 127.0.0.1, etc.).

Alternatively search the NCL script files (in SYS$STARTUP) and edit the ones 
that contain the device name you need to change. You're probably looking for 
ROUTING CIRCUITS and CSMA STATIONS. Once you're done I recommend renaming 
the NCL files (and indeed any other critical files) to ;32767 just to 
prevent inadvertent changes by someone with a text editor and a careless set 
of fingers...

-- 
Cheers, Colin.
Legacy = Stuff that works properly! 

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Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 14:46:43 -0400
From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Subject: Re: NCL question
Message-ID: <484c2a20$0$12305$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>

Tom Linden wrote:
> Recently rebooted 8.3 which had been running on DS10L onto
> ES45.  Now can do a SET HOST to that node, and can't wade
> my way throught NCL to find device names and how to change
> them


simplest:

product remove decnet-5
product install decnet-4

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 00:07:44 -0400
From: "Peter Weaver" <info-vax@weaverconsulting.ca>
Subject: OT: What filtering does Hotmail use?
Message-ID: <044101c8c9e6$5f928cc0$2802a8c0@CHARONLAP>

This is completely off-topic, but I hope someone here knows the answer.=20

When talking to one of my sisters today I asked about an invitation I =
sent
her last week to her hotmail.com address. She said that she did not =
receive
it. One of my other sisters did not respond to the same email and it =
turns
out that she also uses hotmail.com. Another friend who uses hotmail did =
not
respond to a recent email as I expected them to.

I created my own hotmail account tonight and sent an email to it from my
domain more than two hours ago, that email has not yet arrived in my =
hotmail
account. My outgoing SMTP logs show no errors at all, hotmail accepted =
the
email fine. I sent an email from hotmail to weaverconsulting.ca and that
email arrived within seconds, a reply to that email made it back to my
hotmail account.

Every time I reply to an email hotmail.com delivers the message with no
problems. But if I send an email that is not a reply, even though I
cut/pasted the hotmail.com address, the message is not delivered to my
hotmail inbox. I even searched through my SMTP log file to make sure the
address I am replying to is exactly the same as the address I use when =
not
doing a reply.

The hotmail junk email filter is set to standard, junk email should go =
to
the junk folder. But nothing appears in the junk folder. I did try =
adding
weaverconsulting.ca to the hotmail safe sender list, but that did not =
help.

Does anyone know why hotmail.com is silently dropping emails after =
accepting
them? (Yes, I did send this question to hotmail, using their 1000 =
character
limit webpage that actually reject anything over 970 some-odd =
characters,
but I do not expect any answer from them other than a cut/paste FAQ.)

Peter Weaver
www.weaverconsulting.ca=A0=A0 =A0 www.openvmsvirtualization.com
www.vaxvirtualization.com=A0  www.alphavirtualization.com
Winner of the 2007 OpenVMS.org Readers' Choice Award for
System Management/Performance

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 00:48:18 -0400
From: "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: OT: What filtering does Hotmail use?
Message-ID: <7dd80f60806082148j1d07d098x8dd2503693821a6a@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Peter Weaver
<info-vax@weaverconsulting.ca> wrote:
> I created my own hotmail account tonight and sent an email to it from my
> domain more than two hours ago, that email has not yet arrived in my hotmail
> account. My outgoing SMTP logs show no errors at all, hotmail accepted the
> email fine. I sent an email from hotmail to weaverconsulting.ca and that
> email arrived within seconds, a reply to that email made it back to my
> hotmail account.
>
> Every time I reply to an email hotmail.com delivers the message with no
> problems. But if I send an email that is not a reply, even though I
> cut/pasted the hotmail.com address, the message is not delivered to my
> hotmail inbox. I even searched through my SMTP log file to make sure the
> address I am replying to is exactly the same as the address I use when not
> doing a reply.

Take a look at this
<http://www.itinfusion.ca/anti-spam/cant-send-email-to-hotmail/> page.

The reason that your email makes it to hotmail once you send from
there is that your address is now on the "whitelist".

Ken

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Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 12:35:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: You're not being the ball Danny. (Was: OpenVMS Boot Camp Update)
Message-ID: <6e0455d0-20c7-4777-a6b7-50a61691078f@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>

On Jun 8, 7:39=A0am, "pos" <p...@pawz.ws> wrote:

Pos> Do you think that HP charge them nothing for the stands.
Hein> >>Correct. HP does not charge them, nor pays them. >>Free lunch!
>
> Uh? ...I was told to cough up the air fare, hotel...

Ah yes.
While HP does not charge for the stands,
as a vendor there certainly is a significant cost involved.
As I happen to live in Nashua, I conveniently forgot about travel and
lodging costs. Sorry.


> Has the Sheraton improved in anyway at all since I was there before,

It now is a Radison. So all must be well. :-).
Some of my friends from Europe called it 'the platic castle'
capturiing the fakeness of it all.

Cheers,
Hein.

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Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 16:09:47 -0500
From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>
Subject: Re: You're not being the ball Danny. (Was: OpenVMS Boot Camp Update)
Message-ID: <484C4A9B.7A9956F0@spam.comcast.net>

Sue wrote:
> 
> Dear JF,
> 
> Thank you for your support and kind words.  This years boot camp was
> excellent with 100% attendance.  What was very cool to me was that we
> had 6 or so folks under the age of 30
> 
> Richard,  I am sorry that you seem to have had a bad experience at an
> event, if you would like to come to the Boot Camp next year maybe you
> could look at the boot camp from an insiders perspective, you are
> certainly welcome.  So far the feedback has been excellent and the
> attendees thought it was worth their money.
> 
> Regards,
> Sue

I'll back up Sue on that. I've been to the bootcamp - twice, actually.

Having immediate access to the some of the people who actually maintain
the code is indeed quite a rare experience.

Highly recommended.

David J Dachtera
(formerly dba) DJE Systems

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Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 16:20:53 -0500
From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>
Subject: Re: You're not being the ball Danny. (Was: OpenVMS Boot Camp Update)
Message-ID: <484C4D35.AF683C04@spam.comcast.net>

pos wrote:
> 
> >>70 - Supplier/Partner representatives ready to hawk their wares like any
> >>other trade show
> >>50 - Independant Contractors/Consultants touting for work any chance they
> >>10 - Or so, sponsored extras
> >>60 - The Bait-Ball, representing about 30 real customers who expect to
> >>learn something
> >>10 - Clearners and passers-by making up the numbers
> 
> It is marginal if HP will continue to sponsor (ie pay for) VMS boot camps at
> all in this climate.

Sue can correct me here if I'm in error - the BootCamp is entirely self
supporting, based on what Sue has said in the past. The "tuition" pays
the entire cost of the event (halls, meeting rooms, catering, etc.). As
I understand it, Sue gets zero budget for the event from HP, but
corporate allows the VMS and hardware staff to participate (give
sessions, etc.) on company time. 

I don't happen to know what the minimum attendance level would be for
break-even; however, I've yet to see a bootcamp cancelled for lack of
interest.

David J. Dachtera
(formerly dba) DJE Systems

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Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 23:45:40 +0200
From: Michael Kraemer <M.Kraemer@gsi.de>
Subject: Re: You're not being the ball Danny. (Was: OpenVMS Boot Camp Update)
Message-ID: <g2hjta$7me$03$1@news.t-online.com>

Tom Linden schrieb:
> 
> where did you find that?
> 

as said, last time I checked was Q2 2007
(but somehow I doubt things have changed much):

http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=07/05/17/3285093

says ESS is < $5B per quarter,
with BCS (includes VMS) contributing < 20%,
that's $4B per year.
Margin is some 8 or 9%
(not much better than the ink divisions, IIRC).
I think last year theres was a thread here on this topic
(" Question for the Group").

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