INFO-VAX	Sun, 08 Jun 2008	Volume 2008 : Issue 318

   Contents:
Re: Has anybody ported VAX notes to Integrity?
Re: Has anybody ported VAX notes to Integrity?
Re: Has anybody ported VAX notes to Integrity?
Re: Has anybody ported VAX notes to Integrity?
Re: Python on VMS status ?

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Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 20:56:59 -0500
From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>
Subject: Re: Has anybody ported VAX notes to Integrity?
Message-ID: <f_G2k.4329$N87.295@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>

Graham Burley wrote:
> In article <8660a3a10806061615m71061468t4cc16431cecd1709@mail.gmail.com>, "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> writes:
>> Inquiring minds want to know.
> 
> Notes for IA64 is on the OpenVMS Freeware V7.0
> 

On that same "note" - wasn't there an web interface for Notes?

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Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 22:26:45 -0400
From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Subject: Re: Has anybody ported VAX notes to Integrity?
Message-ID: <484b44ac$0$7279$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>

Michael Austin wrote:

> On that same "note" - wasn't there an web interface for Notes?
> 

I believe this had been developped on eisner/>decuserve/<whatever the
name of the user gorup is this week>serve.

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Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 02:28:15 +0000 (UTC)
From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Subject: Re: Has anybody ported VAX notes to Integrity?
Message-ID: <g2fg3v$rsj$1@pcls6.std.com>

Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes:

>Graham Burley wrote:
>> In article <8660a3a10806061615m71061468t4cc16431cecd1709@mail.gmail.com>, "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> writes:
>>> Inquiring minds want to know.
>> 
>> Notes for IA64 is on the OpenVMS Freeware V7.0
>> 

>On that same "note" - wasn't there an web interface for Notes?

There was a web interface to Notes within Digital; I don't know what
became of it.

Notes does speak TCPIP as well, so it can be used over the internet.

Who still uses Notes?  Even within HP, except for a very limited few 
(including a couple by the VMS group), Notes is practically dead.

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Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 23:08:53 -0400
From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Has anybody ported VAX notes to Integrity?
Message-ID: <8660a3a10806072008i2c2f4c8ep67eba629ea424754@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Michael Moroney
<moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote:
> Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes:
>
>>Graham Burley wrote:
>>> In article <8660a3a10806061615m71061468t4cc16431cecd1709@mail.gmail.com>, "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> Inquiring minds want to know.
>>>
>>> Notes for IA64 is on the OpenVMS Freeware V7.0
>>>
>
>>On that same "note" - wasn't there an web interface for Notes?
>
> There was a web interface to Notes within Digital; I don't know what
> became of it.
>
> Notes does speak TCPIP as well, so it can be used over the internet.
>
> Who still uses Notes?  Even within HP, except for a very limited few
> (including a couple by the VMS group), Notes is practically dead.
>
>

The Deathrow Cluster does.

And their groups are quite lively sometimes, due to the nature of the users.

WWWebb

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Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 13:51:42 +0930
From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au>
Subject: Re: Python on VMS status ?
Message-ID: <QJ6dnaSkUIdBw9bVnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@internode>

Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:
> In article <484822e9$0$7210$426a34cc@news.free.fr>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois_Pi=E9ronne?= <jf.pieronne@laposte.net> writes:
> 
>>Marty Kuhrt wrote:
>>
>>>Bob Koehler wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <J0km51h0NmFJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 
>>>>clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes:
>>>>
>>>>>What is the current status of Python on VMS ?
>>>>>
>>>>>Is the existing port considered to be robust and production ready ?
>>>>>
>>>>>Are there any plans for HP to do a Perl/PHP style official port ?
>>>>
>>>>   I've never had any problems with the Python on VMS that I grabbed
>>>>   a few months ago.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Is there a mod_python for CSWS (Apache) readily available?  I'm 
>>>interested in trying out the Python stuff JFP has done, but I'm using 
>>>Apache.  I'd rather find a mod_python than learn a new web server.
>>
>>I remember that years ago, someone has tried to build mod_python.
>>But Python set numbers of crtl features and some of these features break 
>>CSWS. After this I have add the ability to control these features 
>>settings using some specific Python logical names, but doing this will 
>>probably break some python tools (for example I suspect that Mercurial 
>>or Django won't work correctly). May be latest version of CSWS doesn't 
>>have this problem, I don't know.
>>You can try to build mod_python or better mod_wsgi, I expect that it 
>>will be not very difficult.
>>Or you can use the Python embedded web server using mod_proxy. But a 
>>WASD solution has many advantages.
>>I know sites which run, successfully, WASD/Python on production system 
>>for years.
> 
> 
> But if you're committed to Apache and just want to run Python scripts, 
> you can wrap them in .COM files and put them in CGI-BIN, or you can access
> them via MOD_OSU and copy the code in the DECnet object which invokes perl
> for perl scripts and invoke python for .py scripts.

This could only be for experimental or casual purposes for at least a 
couple of reasons.  1) The VMS Apache CGI implementation is notoriously 
latent and resource intensive as to make it unusable for anything but 
casual access (using mod_osu would probably circumvent this, I haven't 
experimented).  2) The Python engine itself is expensive to instantiate 
(again latency and resources).

> That obviously won't give you the highest possible performance - in general,
> WASD is the way to go for highest performance as a VMS webserver - but it 
> cleanly separates the Python and Apache execution environments, lets you set
> whatever CRTL things you need for Python, and lets you test your Python 
> programs from the command line, which is handy.

Web server skirmishes aside; most interpreted web environments intended 
for non-trivial usage require a persistent engine.  Hence much of the 
rationale for the mod_perl, mod_php, mod_wsgi, etc., of this world. 
More so for VMS.  Most non-trivial web applications are themselves 
expensive and latent to load and initialise.  For (at least) these 
reasons the Python developers and Python web application designers 
appear to go to some trouble to make an application equally capable of 
persistence.

> -- Alan 

--
The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the simple 
unconscious expedient of discouraging rational inquiry.
[Richard Dawkins; The Selfish Gene]

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