INFO-VAX Sat, 17 May 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 274 Contents: Re: 2007 OpenVMS.org Readers' Choice Awards Re: Account creation Re: EDS and LSE Re: OT: HP wants to buy EDS Re: OT: HP wants to buy EDS Re: OT: lost Re: Really low special on Xp1000 Re: Really low special on Xp1000 Re: Really low special on Xp1000 Re: Really low special on Xp1000 Re: VAX 6310 Free to a good home Re: VMS equivalent of Unix su (was Account creation) Re: VMS equivalent of Unix su (was Account creation) Re: VMS equivalent of Unix su (was Account creation) Re: VMS equivalent of Unix su (was Account creation) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 13:58:34 -0700 (PDT) From: IanMiller Subject: Re: 2007 OpenVMS.org Readers' Choice Awards Message-ID: <32189c77-b8f6-47c2-a9e3-0a043627ee87@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Don't forget to nominate your favourite VMS related companies, Nominations close tonight. Voting starts tomorrow. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 11:09:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken.Fairfield@gmail.com Subject: Re: Account creation Message-ID: On May 15, 6:41 am, JKB wrote: > Hello, > > I suppose I have made a mistake... I'm trying to create a normal > account. Thus, I have made : > > $ define/system/trans=(concealed)/exec disk$users dka0:[users.] > $ set default disk$users:[000000] > $ create /directory bertrand > $ set default sys$system > $ run authorize > UAF> add bertrand/password=mypassword /device=disk$users - > _UAF> /directory=[bertrand] /owner="BERTRAND Joel" /nopwdexpired - > _UAF> /nopwdexpiration Besides the comments of others downt-thread, please note that you *never* assigned a UIC for the new account. 1) When you use ADD in Authorize, and *omitted* fields are filled in with those from the DEFAULT account (which is one reason the new account got Flags: DISUSER, by the way). 2) Best practice is to give every account a unique UIC. There are exceptions, but I seem to recall that Authorize gives a warning message when you do that. Since you didn't specify a UIC, the new account got the DEFAULT account's UIC, [200,200]: > UAF> show bertrand > Username: BERTRAND Owner: BERTRAND Joel > Account: UIC: [200,200] ([DEFAULT]) > CLI: DCL Tables: DCLTABLES > Default: DISK$USERS:[BERTRAND] > LGICMD: > Flags: DisUser And that led to the other problem. Any files created by the new account will be owned by [200,200], which is associated with the identifier DEFAULT. There is not UIC identifier for BERTRAND, and therefore, you can't for example, $ CREATE/DIRE/OWNER=BERTRAND ... The upshot is that most of your problems would have been avoided if you 1) used /UIC=[ggg,uuu] on the ADD command in Authorize, and 2) if you simply make a habit of adding /Flags=NoDisuser, knowing that the DEFAULT account *has* Flags: Disuser. Oh, also note that the group "ggg" and user "uuu" fields in a UIC are in *octal* notation: after user "7" comes user "10", etc. The other recommendations, for example, create the user's login directory *after* the account, are all good ones. -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 23:24:16 +0200 From: Marc Van Dyck Subject: Re: EDS and LSE Message-ID: Bob Koehler brought next idea : > In article , Marc Van Dyck > writes: >> >> Well, I haven't used LSE very much lately, but last time I tried, >> if I remember well, it was still a pure monochrome editor. Adding >> colors to language sensitivity to match parenthesis, highlight syntaxes >> and structures, etc, would definitely be a plus. > > Colors are really handy when working with cryptic languages based on > C, where you never know what "}" means. > > Some of us actually prefer to work in languages that don't have that > problem. In such cases colors are not so helpfull. Well, it depends... I usually program in Pascal, and when you have a suite of heavily nested IF-THEN-ELSE statements, colors to mark the differents levels would be nice. Just one example... In anycase, if they annoy you you can always turn them off, but if they haven't been implemented, you can't turn them on ! -- Marc Van Dyck ------------------------------ Date: 16 May 2008 21:29:17 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: OT: HP wants to buy EDS Message-ID: <696clcF309k4kU1@mid.individual.net> In article <482c3ebb$0$12323$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: > etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > >> If you look on the HP website (which I did Tuesday night), the website >> says that it will be branded "EDS - An HP Company" > > Ars Technica had a blurb about that. It seems it will remain a separate > division with its own headquarters in whatecver city they are now > headquartered, and not be melted into HP. They will only streamline > administrative functions. > > So no quick integration "à la Carly". > > But, my guess is that "remains a separate division" may not last many years. I wonder if it will remain as employee hostile as it was the last time I looked at them as an employer. I quickly made the decision to never work for them. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 00:37:46 -0400 From: "William Webb" Subject: Re: OT: HP wants to buy EDS Message-ID: <8660a3a10805162137q6e87c97akbc98a5f238facea@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Bill Gunshannon wro= te: > In article <482c3ebb$0$12323$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, > JF Mezei writes: >> etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote: >> >>> If you look on the HP website (which I did Tuesday night), the website >>> says that it will be branded "EDS - An HP Company" >> >> Ars Technica had a blurb about that. It seems it will remain a separate >> division with its own headquarters in whatecver city they are now >> headquartered, and not be melted into HP. They will only streamline >> administrative functions. >> >> So no quick integration "=E0 la Carly". >> >> But, my guess is that "remains a separate division" may not last many ye= ars. > > I wonder if it will remain as employee hostile as it was the last time I = looked > at them as an employer. I quickly made the decision to never work for th= em. > > bill > > -- > Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolve= s > billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton | > Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include > Undoubtedly one of the most *interesting* companies I've ever worked for. I will say no more. WWWebb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 07:39:46 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: OT: lost Message-ID: Hi Brian, Sorry for the loss of your friend, and really hope things pick up for you soon! (Maybe a couple of days at Bootcamp would be just the tonic? Having experienced your company, I know your turning up would certainly be beneficial for others even if not for you!) Hi Brad, > Any chance we can persuade one of the companies sponsoring a bootcamp > scholarship to consider you as a potential nominee? I believe the last of the Attendee-Funding budget went into helping press-gang some of the hotel-cleaners and cafeteria-workers into making up the attendance figures. They've agreed to sit in on many of the sessions as an alternative to painting the empty seats different colors so that they don't look crap on camera. (You know, like they do in football stadiums when know one wants to see the game) Regards Richard Maher "bradhamilton" wrote in message news:482CC820.7030202@comcast.net... > VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > > In article <531e6213-203e-4c46-9e11-7444c87cc20f@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, IanMiller writes: > >> I had hoped to see you in Nashua this year. I thought they where > >> getting the black stuff in just for you :-) > > > > Me too but I've been too busy making scumbags monetarily wealthy at the > > detriment to my health, my sanity, and my ability to afford bootcamp. > > Any chance we can persuade one of the companies sponsoring a bootcamp > scholarship to consider you as a potential nominee? ISTM that your > wealth of experience with VMS could only make a good bootcamp experience > better for the attendees. > > Besides, the Arthur Guinness brewing company will miss a substantial > portion of their yearly income from the Nashua, NH area. :-) > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 13:33:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: Really low special on Xp1000 Message-ID: On May 15, 7:15 pm, David Turner wrote: > Granted these are not perfect looking and do not have the front doors in > most cases but look below > > XP1000 667Mhz 4Mb Cache > 512MB (4 x 128mb) memory > CDROM and Floppy > 10/100 Ethernet > on boars sound > Permedia 2 Graphics > 9GB UW 7200rpm SCSI Disk > > Only $859 + shipping > > Add 1GB Memory for only $350 > Add $159 for an U160 Dual channel scsi ctr > Add $55 for a new dvd-dl-rw/cdrw > Call about bigger disks > > 30 days warranty on this special > Email or call me > dtur...@islandco.com > tel: USA 001 912 786 8501 or toll free 877 636 4332 Wish I had the cash on hand... my PWS600au is starting to feel a little bit slow with the browser. But the stimulus check already got spent, darn it... ------------------------------ Date: 16 May 2008 21:14:23 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Really low special on Xp1000 Message-ID: <482df92f$0$15175$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article , Rich Jordan writes: >On May 15, 7:15 pm, David Turner wrote: >> Granted these are not perfect looking and do not have the front doors in >> most cases but look below >> >> XP1000 667Mhz 4Mb Cache >> 512MB (4 x 128mb) memory >> CDROM and Floppy >> 10/100 Ethernet >> on boars sound >> Permedia 2 Graphics >> 9GB UW 7200rpm SCSI Disk >> >> Only $859 + shipping >> >> Add 1GB Memory for only $350 >> Add $159 for an U160 Dual channel scsi ctr >> Add $55 for a new dvd-dl-rw/cdrw >> Call about bigger disks >> >> 30 days warranty on this special >> Email or call me >> dtur...@islandco.com >> tel: USA 001 912 786 8501 or toll free 877 636 4332 > >Wish I had the cash on hand... my PWS600au is starting to feel a >little bit slow with the browser. But the stimulus check already got >spent, darn it... Stimulus check? -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 16:36:16 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.info (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: Really low special on Xp1000 Message-ID: <08051616361644_2020CE0A@antinode.info> From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG > Stimulus check? You live in a hole? Google it. > >On May 15, 7:15 pm, David Turner wrote: > >> on boars sound "Snort, snort"? > >> Only $859 + shipping Well out of my (junk-only) price range. > >> Add 1GB Memory for only $350 This must be some new meaning for "only". The memory for these things is only slightly dearer than dirt on Ebay. No bids yet on: Compaq 110958-032 4 x 256MB 1gig ECC PC100 $ 9.95 + $ 6.50 Lot of 10 HP Compaq 256MB PC100 CL2 ECC RAM 110958-032 $ 14.99 + $11.70 Buy-it-now: $ 24.99 + $11.70 and so on. A warranty is nice, but $350 will buy a bushel basket of spares. (Well, perhaps only a peck.) If anyone wants to spend hundreds of dollars on this stuff, you can buy some from my pile of spares, too. (Come to think of it, $350 bought my pair of 500MHz XP1000 systems.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-info 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 15:17:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: Really low special on Xp1000 Message-ID: <18b86629-e018-4cd3-8c9d-ecdd5bdd2ff6@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On May 16, 4:14 pm, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article , Rich Jordan writes: > > > > >On May 15, 7:15 pm, David Turner wrote: > >> Granted these are not perfect looking and do not have the front doors in > >> most cases but look below > > >> XP1000 667Mhz 4Mb Cache > >> 512MB (4 x 128mb) memory > >> CDROM and Floppy > >> 10/100 Ethernet > >> on boars sound > >> Permedia 2 Graphics > >> 9GB UW 7200rpm SCSI Disk > > >> Only $859 + shipping > > >> Add 1GB Memory for only $350 > >> Add $159 for an U160 Dual channel scsi ctr > >> Add $55 for a new dvd-dl-rw/cdrw > >> Call about bigger disks > > >> 30 days warranty on this special > >> Email or call me > >> dtur...@islandco.com > >> tel: USA 001 912 786 8501 or toll free 877 636 4332 > > >Wish I had the cash on hand... my PWS600au is starting to feel a > >little bit slow with the browser. But the stimulus check already got > >spent, darn it... > > Stimulus check? > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" > > http://tmesis.com/drat.html We po folk are inadequately stimulating the economy so our dear dear crooks in deecee have deigned to give some of us who have paid lots of taxes (but not TOO much taxes, oh no, giving those who paid metric buttloads of taxes any back, why, that would not be FAIR) some of our OWN damn money back so we can spend it on stimulating things and sales tax for those things. So we are spending ours on something our dear dear deecee crooks would rather we didn't and doing as much as possible via interstate mail order ;) Though I have to admit I gave serious thought to buying a stockpile of rice and corn ;) Rich ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 12:53:09 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: VAX 6310 Free to a good home Message-ID: On Fri, 16 May 2008 08:20:01 -0700, Marty Kuhrt wrote: > Michael Austin wrote: >> kiwi wrote: >>> San Jose. Pick it up and its yours. VMS 5.5-2. Working order. >>> >> Boy, talking about a heater... and just try and move it into your >> basement... :) > > Try as I might, I couldn't get the wife to allow me to bring home a 6640 > my former employer was retiring. I had garage space for it, just no > way to get three phase power to it. There may have been a way to rewire it, some computers had that ability, IR. -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 16:29:21 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: VMS equivalent of Unix su (was Account creation) Message-ID: <482def4a$0$12284$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Joseph Huber wrote: > The question was not which privileges are needed to do certain system > management tasks, but "Is there a equivalent of 'su' unix command ?". And what do you use "su" for ? To do management tasks that your user doesn't have privileges for. On unix, this measn assuming the identity of "root". On VMS, this can be achieved by enabling certain privileges that your account is allowed to have. ------------------------------ Date: 16 May 2008 21:13:50 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: VMS equivalent of Unix su (was Account creation) Message-ID: <482df90e$0$15175$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <482def4a$0$12284$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: >Joseph Huber wrote: > >> The question was not which privileges are needed to do certain system >> management tasks, but "Is there a equivalent of 'su' unix command ?". > >And what do you use "su" for ? To do management tasks that your user >doesn't have privileges for. The all or nothing mentality of 'su' and 'sudo'. If he wants an equivalent, he should go ask his system manager for the password to the SYSTEM account. If his system manager has got more than half of a brain cell, he'll be sent packing. >On unix, this measn assuming the identity of "root". On VMS, this can be >achieved by enabling certain privileges that your account is allowed to >have. There's a reason for limiting what users can do. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 20:03:32 -0400 From: bradhamilton Subject: Re: VMS equivalent of Unix su (was Account creation) Message-ID: <482E20D4.4050904@comcast.net> JF Mezei wrote: > Joseph Huber wrote: > >> The question was not which privileges are needed to do certain system >> management tasks, but "Is there a equivalent of 'su' unix command ?". > > And what do you use "su" for ? To do management tasks that your user > doesn't have privileges for. My apologies in advance for pedantry, but doesn't "su" allow you to "become" *any* other user (with the proper password)? If my recollection is correct, that would bring the $persona services closest to this meaning. [...] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 20:14:57 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: VMS equivalent of Unix su (was Account creation) Message-ID: <9Oidndfc3bRTvrPVnZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@comcast.com> bradhamilton wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: >> Joseph Huber wrote: >> >>> The question was not which privileges are needed to do certain system >>> management tasks, but "Is there a equivalent of 'su' unix command ?". >> >> And what do you use "su" for ? To do management tasks that your user >> doesn't have privileges for. > > My apologies in advance for pedantry, but doesn't "su" allow you to > "become" *any* other user (with the proper password)? If my > recollection is correct, that would bring the $persona services closest > to this meaning. > [...] su does just that. You become whatever user you su to. Normally it's used to acquire the privileges of root but it's by no means limited to that. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.274 ************************