INFO-VAX Fri, 16 May 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 272 Contents: Re: Account creation Re: Account creation Re: Account creation Re: Account creation Bookreader files on a PC Re: DEFINE and reboot Re: DEFINE and reboot Re: DEFINE and reboot Re: EDS and LSE Re: mail$message_select problem Re: OT: lost Re: OT: lost Re: OT: lost Re: OT: lost Re: OT: lost Really low special on Xp1000 Re: RZ25-E specs Re: RZ25-E specs RZ25-E specs? TCPIP sequence number question Using Oracle APEX (ApplicationExpress) on VMS / installing mod_plsql on apache ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 16:45:15 -0500 From: Michael Austin Subject: Re: Account creation Message-ID: Rob Brown wrote: > On Thu, 15 May 2008, JKB wrote: > >> Le 15-05-2008, ? propos de >> Re: Account creation, >> Ken Robinson ?crivait dans comp.os.vms : >>> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:41 AM, JKB wrote: > >>>> UAF> show bertrand >>>> Username: BERTRAND Owner: BERTRAND Joel >>>> Account: UIC: [200,200] >>>> ([DEFAULT]) > >>> Also, I usually create the account, then create the directory. >>> >>> When you create the directory, you should make the owner the account, >>> so it can be used: >>> >>> $ cre/dir/own=bertrand disk$users:[bertrand] >> >> Thank you for your answer. I have deteled home directory and I have >> tried to create a new one with >> >> $ create/dir/own=bertrand disk$users:[bertrand] >> %CREATE-F-SYNTAX, error parsing 'BERTRAND' >> -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHID, unknown right identifier > > Since you did not specify /UIC when you created the account, the > BERTRAND identifier was not created. In this case the command should > have been: > > $ CREATE/DIRECTORY/OWNER=[200,200] DISK$USERS:[BERTRAND] > > In your place I would either delete the account and recreate it > specifying /UIC=[201,1] or something, or else modify the account and add > the identifier: > > UAF> MOD BERTRAND/UIC=[201,1] > UAF> ADD/IDENTIFIER/USER=BERTRAND > > Each new account should be created with a different UIC. It is the UIC > that specifies the ownership of a file. The VMS UIC [group, member] is > similar to the GID / UID in *IX. To get a list of UICs in use, type > > UAF> SHOW/IDENTIFIER/USER=[*,*] > > One other note: I always thought that when creating the user directory > you specified the owner in brackets, thus: > > $ CREATE/DIRECTORY/OWNER=[BERTRAND] DISK$USERS:[BERTRAND] > >> Other question... Is there a equivalent of 'su' unix command ? > > Not really. $ SET HOST 0 is close. > > hth > > Actually, there was a "Setuser" executable - that if you had the appropriate privs could "become" another user. I have used it on VMS6 and VMS7.2 and 7.3-1. I currently do not have 8.anything, so I can't say if it will work there as well. Also note, that if it is not compiled/linked correctly - it will crash your system :) ------------------------------ Date: 15 May 2008 21:10:02 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Account creation Message-ID: In article , JKB writes: > Hello, > > I suppose I have made a mistake... I'm trying to create a normal > account. Thus, I have made : You have made several. > > $ define/system/trans=(concealed)/exec disk$users dka0:[users.] > $ set default disk$users:[000000] > $ create /directory bertrand That command should have failed, and would have left you the owner instead of bertrand, the correct syntax is: $ create/directory [bertrand]/owner=[new-uic-goes-here] > $ set default sys$system > $ run authorize > UAF> add bertrand/password=mypassword /device=disk$users - > _UAF> /directory=[bertrand] /owner="BERTRAND Joel" /nopwdexpired - > _UAF> /nopwdexpiration > Now bertran is the same UIC as default, you need to add a /uic=[new-uic-goes-here], which you can still do via UAF> modify; but be carefull you don't reassign the DEFAULT identifer. If you do accidentally modify it, then put it back with UAF> modify/identifier DEFAULT=uic=[200,200], then think about adding one for bertrand so he doesn't have to look at numbers UAF> add/identifer=bertrand=uic=[new-uic-goes-here] > UAF> show bertrand > Username: BERTRAND Owner: BERTRAND Joel > Account: UIC: [200,200] ([DEFAULT]) > CLI: DCL Tables: DCLTABLES > Default: DISK$USERS:[BERTRAND] > LGICMD: > Flags: DisUser ^^^^^^^ The account is disabled, and can't be used until you UAF> modify bertrand/flag=nodisuser > ... > No access restrictions > ... > Login fails : 13 ! > ... > Authorized privileges > NETMBX TMPMBX > ... > > I have tried to use this account, but I cannot perform any login > (CDE of remote login by SSH) : > > cauchy:[~] > ssh -l bertrand dirac > bertrand@dirac's password: > Permission denied, please try again. > bertrand@dirac's password: > Permission denied, please try again. > bertrand@dirac's password: > Permission denied (publickey). > cauchy:[~] > You'ld have made it all easier if you did the UAF work first, and always include the /uic= stuff when adding a new user. Then when you creat the directory you could simply use: $ create/directory [bertran]/owner=bertrand because the identifier would have automatically been made for you. ------------------------------ Date: 15 May 2008 21:12:38 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Account creation Message-ID: In article , JKB writes: > > $ create/dir/own=bertrand disk$users:[bertrand] > %CREATE-F-SYNTAX, error parsing 'BERTRAND' > -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHID, unknown right identifier > $ > Since you let the bertrand account be created with the UIC for the DEFAULT account UAF did not automatically create the BERTRAND identifier. > Why ? > > Nevertheless, I can perform a login with ssh : > > cauchy:[~] > ssh dirac > bertrand@dirac's password: > Welcome to OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V8.3 > > $ dir > %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening DISK$USERS:[BERTRAND]*.*;* as input > -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation > $ > You need to get bertrand to be the owner of the directory. > Normal :-( > > Other question... Is there a equivalent of 'su' unix command ? Please, please read the FAQ. ------------------------------ Date: 15 May 2008 21:14:33 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Account creation Message-ID: In article , "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > > There's no way it could be since you created the file before creating > the account! That is simply not true. If he had created the directory and the account be specifying the same numeric UIC for the directory owner and the account he could have come out fine even though he created the directory first. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 22:55:07 -0500 From: Slor Subject: Bookreader files on a PC Message-ID: Sorry if this has subject has been beat on previously, but I've been perusing the group archives trying to find the solution to reading bookreader files on a DOS or MS Windows-based PC. I have some old ODS CDs with the bookreader files on them, which I would like to pull down onto a laptop and be able to read them there. From what I can gather reading previous posts, my best bet is a Windows version of BNU, which I have not yet been able to locate on the web. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Besides following up here, feel free to reach me directly by reversing each segment of my public email address. thanks! -- James http://www.e-host-direct.com Reliable web hosting from $12/year. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 12:09:35 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: DEFINE and reboot Message-ID: <32683b48-a71a-411c-a3a0-6ebee81d5a15@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On May 15, 1:39 pm, Bob Gezelter wrote: > On May 15, 1:00 pm, AEF wrote: > > > > > On May 15, 8:49 am, Bob Gezelter wrote: > > > > On May 15, 4:58 am, JKB wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > I'm trying to reinstall a OpenVMS 8.3 on a AS800. I try to create a > > > > logical name like DISK$USERS to create users home directories. > > > > I have tried : > > > > $ CREATE/SYSTEM DISK$USERS SYS$SYSROOT:[USERS] > > > [...] > > > That said, to reduce the chance for mis-adventure, my general > > > recommendation is to put those commands in a separate file in SYS > > > $MANAGER, and execute them AFTER the appropriate disk has been > > > mounted, with the appropriate check that the underlying disk is > > > actually present. > > > Pardon me if I'm missing something obvious, but what problem would > > occur if it was down before? Either way, if you reference the logical > > name before both are done, you'll get the "error in device name..." > > error. > > > > For invoking this file, my preferred mechanism is > > > the STARTUP database (see "SYSMAN for Improved Restart Performance", > > > from the 1999 US DECUS Symposium; slides available viahttp://www.rlgsc.com/decus/usf99/index.html). My alternative > > > mechanism is to invoke this file using a SPAWN command from within SYS > > > $MANAGER:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM (also with the appropriate check for file > > > existence). > > > Why not just put it in the file? How long does it take to DEFINE/ > > SYSTEM a logical name? > > > > - Bob Gezelter,http://www.rlgsc.com > > > AEF > > AEF, > > It is not a time-efficiency question. > > One of the most common STARTUP related problems that I encounter > repeatedly is the silent termination of SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM because of > editing errors. I therefore try to discourage people, particularly > less experienced system managers, from adding more than the linkage > (and then using a SPAWN) so that a clumsy edit in the secondary file > will not terminate the execution of SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM. > > - Bob Gezelter,http://www.rlgsc.com OK. Every system I've inherited has SET NOON at the beginning of its SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM and I've just left them that way. Maybe that's a bad practice, but I have yet to have it cause a problem. AEF ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 18:47:48 -0600 From: Jeff Campbell Subject: Re: DEFINE and reboot Message-ID: <1210898513_2423@isp.n> JKB wrote: > Le 15-05-2008, =E0 propos de > Re: DEFINE and reboot, > JF Mezei =E9crivait dans comp.os.vms : >> JKB wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I'm trying to reinstall a OpenVMS 8.3 on a AS800. I try to create a >>> logical name like DISK$USERS to create users home directories. >>> I have tried : >>> $ CREATE/SYSTEM DISK$USERS SYS$SYSROOT:[USERS] >>> >>> and I can use this logical name to acces to SYS$SYSROOT:[USERS] >>> but this logical name is not permanent. >> To create a proper root: >> >> $DEFINE/SYSTEM/TRANS=3D(CONCEALED)/EXEC DISK$USERS SYS$SYSROOT:[USERS= =2E] >> >> To be safer, you should have: >> >> $DEFINE/SYSTEM/TRANS=3D(CONCEALED,TERMINAL)/EXEC DISK$USERS - =09 >> 'f$trnlnm("SYS$DISK","LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE")'[USERS.] >> >> Note that the . after Users is important. This allows you to use synta= x >> such as DISK$USERS:[JOHN_DOE] which will map to dua0:[USERS.JOHN_DOE= ] >> >> It is not recommended to put your users under SYS$SYSROOT. This is the= >> OS specific directory tree. (in fact, this would go into the node >> specific area of the OS). >=20 > Which node ? >=20 >> Also, logical names are not permanent. You need to define them wheneve= r >> the system boots. You can add the "define" commands in systartup_vms.c= om >> or in sylogicals.com (both are in sys$manager: directory). >=20 > Problem, I cannot modify this file because I have a PWS keyboard > that is not correctly mapped for X. I have tried a lot of > configurations to fix it without any success. I should tried to boot > in text mode to modify these files. If you are running DECwindows, from the DECterm you want to do the editing on enter the following DCL command: $ DEFINE/SYSTEM EVE$KEYPAD EDT The keypad will now behave like a VTxxx terminal's keypad as far as EDIT/TPU is concerned. Once you have a working keyboard 8-) edit SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGICALS.COM removing the comment character "!" from the file's EVE$KEYPAD command. Now each time you boot, all your DECterms will have the editor's keypad mapping defined. >=20 >> Note that if you are in a cluster, you can use >> >> /TABLE=3DLNMS$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE instead of /SYSTEM and this logical na= me >> definition will automatically propage to all nodes in a cluster. >> >> Note that the /EXEC is there to define the logical in an executuve mod= e >> which makes it impossible for unprivileged users to redefine. (which >> would be a security issue). >=20 > Thanks a lot, >=20 > JKB >=20 Jeff ----== Posted via Pronews.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.pronews.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- ------------------------------ Date: 15 May 2008 21:01:22 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: DEFINE and reboot Message-ID: In article <085a3589-1886-47ff-a852-3a954fe4a0f0@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, Bob Gezelter writes: > > One of the most common STARTUP related problems that I encounter > repeatedly is the silent termination of SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM because of > editing errors. I therefore try to discourage people, particularly > less experienced system managers, from adding more than the linkage > (and then using a SPAWN) so that a clumsy edit in the secondary file > will not terminate the execution of SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM. I always SET NOON at the start of all boot scripts unless I have specific error handling, just for this reason. If you SPAWN, don't you have to wait for all those subprocesses to complete before the STARTUP process logs out? Having the subprocess wind down unexpectedly could leave you in an unpredictable state. I did once work with some systems that used SUBMIT a lot during boot, but then when you logged in some things might not yet be ready. ------------------------------ Date: 15 May 2008 20:51:09 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: EDS and LSE Message-ID: In article , Marc Van Dyck writes: > > Well, I haven't used LSE very much lately, but last time I tried, > if I remember well, it was still a pure monochrome editor. Adding > colors to language sensitivity to match parenthesis, highlight syntaxes > and structures, etc, would definitely be a plus. Colors are really handy when working with cryptic languages based on C, where you never know what "}" means. Some of us actually prefer to work in languages that don't have that problem. In such cases colors are not so helpfull. ------------------------------ Date: 15 May 2008 21:20:24 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: mail$message_select problem Message-ID: In article <482c6259$0$1521$9b622d9e@news.freenet.de>, "Klaus-D. Bohn" writes: > > > What i do wrong ? > I suspect if you bothered to check the status value you captured from each function call, one of them might tell you. Perhaps you are trying to do two things at once that cannot be done together. ------------------------------ Date: 15 May 2008 18:41:58 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: OT: lost Message-ID: <482c83f6$0$11633$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <531e6213-203e-4c46-9e11-7444c87cc20f@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, IanMiller writes: >I had hoped to see you in Nashua this year. I thought they where >getting the black stuff in just for you :-) Me too but I've been too busy making scumbags monetarily wealthy at the detriment to my health, my sanity, and my ability to afford bootcamp. I should have taken 'early expirement'. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 13:03:19 -0700 (PDT) From: IanMiller Subject: Re: OT: lost Message-ID: <2144fe46-693e-4c72-887d-49ff8ad2cb60@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> nil carborundum illegitimi About your friend - Don't despair - it will get easier to live with the loss after a while. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 19:32:48 -0400 From: bradhamilton Subject: Re: OT: lost Message-ID: <482CC820.7030202@comcast.net> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <531e6213-203e-4c46-9e11-7444c87cc20f@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, IanMiller writes: >> I had hoped to see you in Nashua this year. I thought they where >> getting the black stuff in just for you :-) > > Me too but I've been too busy making scumbags monetarily wealthy at the > detriment to my health, my sanity, and my ability to afford bootcamp. Any chance we can persuade one of the companies sponsoring a bootcamp scholarship to consider you as a potential nominee? ISTM that your wealth of experience with VMS could only make a good bootcamp experience better for the attendees. Besides, the Arthur Guinness brewing company will miss a substantial portion of their yearly income from the Nashua, NH area. :-) ------------------------------ Date: 16 May 2008 00:09:21 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: OT: lost Message-ID: <482cd0b1$0$25048$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <482CC820.7030202@comcast.net>, bradhamilton writes: >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> In article <531e6213-203e-4c46-9e11-7444c87cc20f@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, IanMiller writes: >>> I had hoped to see you in Nashua this year. I thought they where >>> getting the black stuff in just for you :-) >> >> Me too but I've been too busy making scumbags monetarily wealthy at the >> detriment to my health, my sanity, and my ability to afford bootcamp. > >Any chance we can persuade one of the companies sponsoring a bootcamp >scholarship to consider you as a potential nominee? ISTM that your >wealth of experience with VMS could only make a good bootcamp experience >better for the attendees. I'd think it a little late in the game. >Besides, the Arthur Guinness brewing company will miss a substantial >portion of their yearly income from the Nashua, NH area. :-) Well, Arthur Guinness and co will have no problem staying afloat. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 11:13:48 +1000 From: Jim Duff Subject: Re: OT: lost Message-ID: <482cdfce@dnews.tpgi.com.au> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > I lost a good friend to CRF this week. As you may or may not know, I > suffer from chronic nephritis and myriad health issues, so his passing > has touched me deeply. We were acquianted about 12+ years ago and he > helped console me when I was contemplating 'early expiry' as a result > of my life's path crossing with the path of the most vile, pernicious, > evil, bigoted, and hate-filled despot I have ever had the misfortune of > knowing. Thanks in part to this friend, I'm here to write today. I'm > telling this to c.o.v. because I have been blessed to know and to meet > some truly wonderful people here due to another shared interest -- VMS. > I'm saddened that I will not be able to meet up with my many VMS friends > next week in Nashua. So, to those of you here that will be there, have > fun at bootcamp. > > PS. Lepers, and you know who you are, drink up! > > Maybe next year? > Brian, My sympathies. I just lost a long time friend as well, and I know how hard it can be. Unfortunately, I can't make the boot camp either (again). Next year it will have to be. Cheers, Jim. -- www.eight-cubed.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 00:15:07 GMT From: David Turner Subject: Really low special on Xp1000 Message-ID: Granted these are not perfect looking and do not have the front doors in most cases but look below XP1000 667Mhz 4Mb Cache 512MB (4 x 128mb) memory CDROM and Floppy 10/100 Ethernet on boars sound Permedia 2 Graphics 9GB UW 7200rpm SCSI Disk Only $859 + shipping Add 1GB Memory for only $350 Add $159 for an U160 Dual channel scsi ctr Add $55 for a new dvd-dl-rw/cdrw Call about bigger disks 30 days warranty on this special Email or call me dturner@islandco.com tel: USA 001 912 786 8501 or toll free 877 636 4332 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 22:53:31 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.info (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: RZ25-E specs Message-ID: <08051522533099_2020CE0A@antinode.info> From: Slor > Can anyone here point me to specifications (most importantly, heads and > cylinders) for the Digital RZ25-E SCSI drive? I've been able to find > jumper settings, but I can't seem to locate anything on the internal > characteristics. Google might be able to. Seek: rz25 cyl OR cylinder -oxygen Next question: Why do you care? (Still using SunOS 4.x?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-info 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 23:46:12 -0500 From: Slor Subject: Re: RZ25-E specs Message-ID: Despite all prevention efforts, sms@antinode.info (Steven M. Schweda) wrote in news:08051522533099_2020CE0A@antinode.info: > From: Slor > >> Can anyone here point me to specifications (most importantly, heads and >> cylinders) for the Digital RZ25-E SCSI drive? I've been able to find >> jumper settings, but I can't seem to locate anything on the internal >> characteristics. > > Google might be able to. Seek: rz25 cyl OR cylinder -oxygen > > Next question: Why do you care? (Still using SunOS 4.x?) An excellent search string indeed - thanks! Believe it or not, I'm using this drive (which I pulled from an old DEC storage expansion) with a hard drive interface on an 8-bit Atari computer. :) I needed the correct heads and cylinders for the controller interface. -- James http://www.e-host-direct.com Reliable web hosting from $12/year. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 22:39:09 -0500 From: Slor Subject: RZ25-E specs? Message-ID: Can anyone here point me to specifications (most importantly, heads and cylinders) for the Digital RZ25-E SCSI drive? I've been able to find jumper settings, but I can't seem to locate anything on the internal characteristics. thanks! -- James http://www.e-host-direct.com Reliable web hosting from $12/year. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 17:53:59 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: TCPIP sequence number question Message-ID: <482cb1a0$0$12318$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Ok, this isn't specifically VMS related but here it goes... Say I am sending TCP data packets with sequence numbers #10 #11 #12 #13 #14 and #15. Someone meddles with my traffic and changes, while in transit, the sequence number of the second packet from #11 to #789 How will the receiver behave upon receiving the packet with sequence number #789 ? Will it wait a certain amount of time to see if the packet #11 will arrive out of sequence before declaring #11 to be lost and sending NAK to the sender ? How long will it wait before declaring #11 to be lost at sea ? base on what I read, the recipient will send an ack confirming it has received all data intact until/including #10. (instead of sending an actual "I haven't received #11"). Once the sender has realised the recipient hasn't received #11, will the sender then resend #11 and all subsequent packets ? With windowing, will the sender end up stopping transmission at one point, waiting for an ack ? Or will the "sorry I didn,t get #11" realisation reach the sender before the sender has finished sending all packets permitted in the sliding window ? aka: will the data line become idle for some time, or will it remain constantly in full use with packets flowing with retransmissions here and there ? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 16:30:54 -0400 From: "Syltrem" Subject: Using Oracle APEX (ApplicationExpress) on VMS / installing mod_plsql on apache Message-ID: <541Xj.131804$Tj3.67063@en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com> Hello I have the Apache web server and Oracle databases already running on my servers. The Apache is the HP distribution (2.11) not the Oracle one under ORA_ROOT I would like to start using APEX from Oracle, and that requires mod_plsql to be configured Questions: 1) In my old Oracle 9i root I do have an APACHE directory with things inside. In 10g, I have the directory but it only contains 2 empty readme files... I though I might copy mod_plsql from there but apparent there's nothing there, really. And 9i is probably out of date now. Directory ORA$DISQUE:[ORACLE10GR2.apache] readme_modplsql.txt;1 0KB/0KB 31-MAR-2007 17:35:20.94 24-APR-2007 10:43:40.72 readme_modplsql_demo.txt;1 0KB/0KB 31-MAR-2007 17:35:20.96 24-APR-2007 10:43:40.72 Total of 2 files, 0KB/0KB 2) How do I get mod_plsql in my "running" apache ? 3) Is anyone using APEX in this environment ? Thanks -- Syltrem http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS information and help, en français) ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.272 ************************