INFO-VAX Mon, 07 Apr 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 194 Contents: Re: Computer operating systems Re: Computer operating systems DNS root files updated Re: Immediate:TOLAS Programmer in McHenry, IL - DIRECT CLIENT Requirement Requir Re: New contact details for Guy Peleg RE: OpenVMS Integrity + Blades Testimonials - Financial and Telecom Markets Power off does work Re: Power off does work Re: System Programming Resources for Alpha Architecture Re: System Programming Resources for Alpha Architecture ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 20:41:06 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Computer operating systems Message-ID: <47F97BB2.C738AB73@spam.comcast.net> George wrote: > > Are you crazy about different operating systems like C++, > java in computers? > If you want to check about that please visit > http://operatingsys.blogspot.com/ C++ and Java are programming languages, not operating systems. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 22:37:42 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Computer operating systems Message-ID: <47F988F6.70902@comcast.net> Arne Vajhøj wrote: > David J Dachtera wrote: > >> George wrote: >> >>> Are you crazy about different operating systems like C++, >>> java in computers? >>> If you want to check about that please visit >>> http://some.spammer.site/ >> >> >> C++ and Java are programming languages, not operating systems. > > > Consider not reposting the spammers URL. > > Arne Consider not responding to spam at all. Any response is likely to encourage him. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:17:15 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: DNS root files updated Message-ID: <02447062$0$25037$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> This past february, there was an update to the DNS root file. Mr Hoff has a good page on this on his HoffmanLabs web site. http://64.223.189.234/node/791 If your run your won DNS server, you may wish to look into this. (the L-root-servers.net was changed) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 20:36:55 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Immediate:TOLAS Programmer in McHenry, IL - DIRECT CLIENT Requirement Requir Message-ID: <47F97AB7.F8925836@spam.comcast.net> yyyc186 wrote: > > When is EDS going to smell the coffee?? They have been opening this > up to a cattle call since November 2007 and offering illegal alien > wages the entire time. They still haven't filled it. > > Here's a hint. > > When they triple the billing rate they are offering, they will "start" > to get people interested. It won't get interesting for anyone with > TOLAS skills until they quadruple it. Actually, based on my experiences with trying "crack" another TOLAS site, I'm failry sure that the issue their insistance on TOLAS experience. From what I gather, TOLAS is a VAX/DEC BASIC application that is at least somewhat modularized, similar to DAI's offering(s) in the DIBOL world. Anyone with a modicum of API experience should be able to handle it. As long they insist on TOLAS experience, their field of potential candidates will remain very limited. Thus, if the compensation offering is not up to snuff, it is likely to remain vacant for rather a good while longer. Perhaps if it stays open for a another year or so, that will be long enough for someone to gain some credible experience and land the position, even if it only pays minimum wage. David J Dachtera (formerly dba) DJE Systems ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 20:40:31 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: New contact details for Guy Peleg Message-ID: <47F97B8F.EF46AFFD@spam.comcast.net> Guy Peleg wrote: > > All, > > I wanted to bring to your attention that I have recently > left Bruden, and founded a new company called Maklee engineering. > > Maklee provides services for all enterprise operating systems (meaning > not Windows), focusing on OpenVMS, OpenVMS performance and > Oracle on OpenVMS. You may read more about us at http://www.maklee.com > (the site is still under construction it will take about 10 days before all > information is available > online). > > My new email address is guy.peleg@remove_this_maklee.com > > I look forward hearing from you. Congratulations and best wishes in your new endeavour! Should you find yourself with more business than you can handle, please remember your colleagues out here in VMS-land who are still trying to feed and house their families from their OpenVMS income. David J Dachtera (formerly dba) DJE Systems ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 18:30:56 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: OpenVMS Integrity + Blades Testimonials - Financial and Telecom Markets Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Robinson [mailto:kenrbnsn@gmail.com] > Sent: April 6, 2008 12:20 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrity + Blades Testimonials - Financial and > Telecom Markets Markets Markets > > On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:48 AM, JF Mezei > wrote (in part): > > In my universe, Blades have always been pitched to large > organisations > > who need extra space in their data centre and wish to stuff many > servers > > into a single box. And Blades have been seen as a higher margin > products > > since they provide additional "value" in terms of having more > servers > > per rack units of space. > > > > Funny, I never saw those beasts as being targettes at small to > medium > > business. > > > > Perhaps in the VMS universe, "small medium" business now refer to > the > > lower end of Fortune 500, with "large business" being in the top 25 > of > > the Fortune 500 ? > > No, just like large disk farms have been replaced by either larger > disks or disk arrays which use much less space, blades can be used by > any size organization to reduce the amount of space needed by the same > number of regular servers. And the space needed for possible expansion > is greatly reduced or eliminated. > > Consider a small shop with a 3 node cluster of ES40/45 style Alpha > servers. Those three machine can all fit in one rack and at least > another rack is needed for storage. If another ES style alpha server > is needed for expansion, another rack is needed, but there may not be > room to fit it so they do without. Now consider replacing the 3 > original machines with a c7000 blade enclosure and 3 blades -- leaving > 5 empty slots. That fits in the space of one ES40/45 Alpha Server and > you have room left over in the rack, maybe enough for all of the > storage needs. Now when expansion is needed, just buy another blade > and insert into the same enclosure. No need to find space for another > rack. Even small shops can see the savings in that scenario. > > Ken An to build on what Ken stated - with OpenVMS, each blade server can be in the same active-active cluster. As a blade is added, it simply boots off a common SAN system disk different root. Of course, this assumes one does the normal cluster stuff and offload common files to shared disk on cluster SAN. There are also a number of GUI mgmt agents for blades that are applicable for OpenVMS as well (one of advantages of sharing same HW as other platforms). Reference: (beware - url's may wrap) http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/system_management_new.html http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/integrity-bl/c-class/870c/index.= html http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/blades/components/c-class-components.htm= l Blades are not the answer to all environments, but they sure are attractive to many Cust environments doing server consolidation and/or ISP's or other similar environments that need to be able to quickly add capacity very quickly. Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-254-8911 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. Regards ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 14:11:37 -0600 From: John Nebel Subject: Power off does work Message-ID: <47F92E79.4090604@csdco.com> ... in spite of the many doubters How many minutes until final shutdown [0]: Reason for shutdown [Standalone]: Do you want to spin down the disk volumes [NO]? Do you want to invoke the site-specific shutdown procedure [YES]? Should an automatic system reboot be performed [NO]? When will the system be rebooted [later]: Shutdown options (enter as a comma-separated list): REMOVE_NODE Remaining nodes in the cluster should adjust quorum CLUSTER_SHUTDOWN Entire cluster is shutting down REBOOT_CHECK Check existence of basic system files SAVE_FEEDBACK Save AUTOGEN feedback information from this boot DISABLE_AUTOSTART Disable autostart queues POWER_OFF Request console to power-off the system Shutdown options [NONE]: reb,power [cut] waiting for poll to complete pga0.0.0.1.1 ..Poll done SYSTEM SHUTDOWN COMPLETE halted CPU 0 halt code = 5 HALT instruction executed PC = ffffffff8008db24 POWER OFF - return to MBM to continue system operation ~PCO-I-(pco_00) Powering off partition. HP: Default_HP [2008/04/07 20:04:06] ~PCO-I-(pco_00) Preparing to power off partition. HP: Default_HP The DUO is powered down MBM> sho power Cabinet OCP switch position: ON Cab Drw Type Power Fan WPI/SDI PS/VRM Temperature( C) Voltage 0123456 0123 0123456789ABC 0 1 2 3 0 0 SBB OFF pp..... p... ppp.......... 36.0 24.0 .... .... p 0 0 DUO0 OFF ....... .... ppppp...ppppp 33.5 34.3 35.2 .... p 0 0 DUO1 OFF ....... .... ppppp...ppppp 34.0 36.9 36.1 .... p 0 4 PCI OFF ppp.... .... pp........... 35.0 30.0 30.5 22.5 p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 20:42:32 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Power off does work Message-ID: <47F97C08.2236FEAD@spam.comcast.net> John Nebel wrote: > > ... in spite of the many doubters > > How many minutes until final shutdown [0]: > Reason for shutdown [Standalone]: > Do you want to spin down the disk volumes [NO]? > Do you want to invoke the site-specific shutdown procedure [YES]? > Should an automatic system reboot be performed [NO]? > When will the system be rebooted [later]: > Shutdown options (enter as a comma-separated list): > REMOVE_NODE Remaining nodes in the cluster should adjust quorum > CLUSTER_SHUTDOWN Entire cluster is shutting down > REBOOT_CHECK Check existence of basic system files > SAVE_FEEDBACK Save AUTOGEN feedback information from this boot > DISABLE_AUTOSTART Disable autostart queues > POWER_OFF Request console to power-off the system > > Shutdown options [NONE]: reb,power > > [cut] > > waiting for poll to complete pga0.0.0.1.1 > ..Poll done > > SYSTEM SHUTDOWN COMPLETE > > halted CPU 0 > > halt code = 5 > HALT instruction executed > PC = ffffffff8008db24 > > POWER OFF - return to MBM to continue system operation > > ~PCO-I-(pco_00) Powering off partition. HP: Default_HP > [2008/04/07 20:04:06] > ~PCO-I-(pco_00) Preparing to power off partition. HP: Default_HP > The DUO is powered down > > MBM> sho power > Cabinet OCP switch position: ON > > Cab Drw Type Power Fan WPI/SDI PS/VRM Temperature( C) Voltage > 0123456 0123 0123456789ABC 0 1 2 3 > 0 0 SBB OFF pp..... p... ppp.......... 36.0 24.0 .... .... p > 0 0 DUO0 OFF ....... .... ppppp...ppppp 33.5 34.3 35.2 .... p > 0 0 DUO1 OFF ....... .... ppppp...ppppp 34.0 36.9 36.1 .... p > 0 4 PCI OFF ppp.... .... pp........... 35.0 30.0 30.5 22.5 p Hhmmm... Looks like a GS1280. Is it? David J Dachtera (formerly dba) DJE Systems ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 22:13:15 +0100 From: "John Wallace" Subject: Re: System Programming Resources for Alpha Architecture Message-ID: wrote in message news:19ec7227-cbf1-40ef-91b6-bb6e4bfe18d4@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > On Apr 6, 12:54 am, "Tom Linden" wrote: > > On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 20:59:43 -0700, wrote: > > > I've made a nice little collection of alpha programming related links > > > on my site:http://mattst88.com/?page=links#alpha > > > Hope you find them useful. > > > > In the VMS world SDL was something useful. Why are you posting this here? > > > > -- > > PL/I for OpenVMSwww.kednos.com > > I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. > > I posted a collections of relevant links I've gathered about > programming for alpha. What did I do wrong? I've wondered that too. Both of us have tried to help someone whose question was Alpha related although it wasn't specifically VMS related. Your pointers include a selection of Alpha-related stuff from people other than DEC/Compaq/HP, stuff which wasn't in the stuff I posted earlier, stuff which might be helpful to someone looking for techy Alpha stuff (again, not specifically VMS related, but...). Tom's SDL comment may relate to the fact that "your" SDL isn't the same SDL as VMS folks would be expecting? While I'm here: thanks to Keith Cayemberg for the reminder that various incarnations of the DEC ftp site are still available on the Wayback Machine. It can be (very) slow sometimes, but the data does appear to still be there if you actually get a response. My 2c John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 22:05:23 +0100 From: "John Wallace" Subject: Re: System Programming Resources for Alpha Architecture Message-ID: wrote in message news:19ec7227-cbf1-40ef-91b6-bb6e4bfe18d4@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > On Apr 6, 12:54 am, "Tom Linden" wrote: > > On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 20:59:43 -0700, wrote: > > > I've made a nice little collection of alpha programming related links > > > on my site:http://mattst88.com/?page=links#alpha > > > Hope you find them useful. > > > > In the VMS world SDL was something useful. Why are you posting this here? > > > > -- > > PL/I for OpenVMSwww.kednos.com > > I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. > > I posted a collections of relevant links I've gathered about > programming for alpha. What did I do wrong? I've wondered that too. Both of us have tried to help someone whose question was Alpha related although it wasn't specifically VMS related. Your pointers include a selection of Alpha-related stuff from people other than DEC/Compaq/HP, stuff which wasn't in the stuff I posted earlier, stuff which might be helpful to someone looking for techy Alpha stuff (again, not specifically VMS related, but...). Tom's SDL comment may relate to the fact that "your" SDL isn't the same SDL as VMS folks would be expecting? While I'm here: thanks to Keith Cayemberg for the reminder that various incarnations of the DEC ftp site are still available on the Wayback Machine. It can be (very) slow sometimes, but the data does appear to still be there if you actually get a response. My 2c John ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.194 ************************