INFO-VAX Thu, 27 Mar 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 173 Contents: Re: Bracknell (Berkshire, UK) and VMS Re: Disk shadowing with bad blocks Re: HP Alpha TCPIP active passive leftover junk on my system disk. Re: leftover junk on my system disk. Re: leftover junk on my system disk. Re: Please critique my backup practices Re: Please critique my backup practices Re: Please critique my backup practices Re: Polycenter Scheduler Re: RX3600 and VMS 8.3 Re: scripting a telnet session to VMS Re: scripting a telnet session to VMS Re: scripting a telnet session to VMS Re: scripting a telnet session to VMS Re: scripting a telnet session to VMS Re: scripting a telnet session to VMS Re: scripting a telnet session to VMS Re: VMS Mail translates incoming tilde character into a dollar sign. Re: VMS Mail translates incoming tilde character into a dollar sign. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:07:55 GMT From: Martyn Subject: Re: Bracknell (Berkshire, UK) and VMS Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:40:17 -0700, etmsreec wrote: > There may be support people for HP in Bracknell, but the labs got > migrated up the M4 to a site near an old airfield IIRC. that's why > India support calls get directed through a Swindon number (01793)... > > Steve That site is just a datacentre with Operations staff onsite, not VMS techies, most of their VMS support went out to Bangalore. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:28:02 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: Disk shadowing with bad blocks Message-ID: tadamsmar writes: >Yes, it finds some bad blocks and put their addresses in the bad block >file, but that file is wiped out when you put a disk in a shadow set. >You are mixing the non-shadow and shadow algorithms for addressing bad >blocks. ANAL/MEDIS/EXER is a tool handling bad blocks when you are not >shadowing. It will tell you if the blocks are actually bad, and from what you write, they really are. I wouldn't add it to your shadowset. Right now it appears none of the bad blocks land in a file when you do, but why take the chance? You don't know for certain whether the drive is dying. I would either: 1) Run ANALYZE/MED/EXER/RETRY and have it update the bad block file and then use the drive for data you don't care about 2) Low level format it (unsupported tool to do so in SYS$ETC:) and see if it gets better (run ANALYZE/MED/EXER after) 3) Attach a chain to it, and use to keep a small boat in place in reverse order of preference. You could add the blocks to the shadowset's bad block file, but why? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:36:16 -0600 From: Jeff Campbell Subject: Re: HP Alpha TCPIP active passive Message-ID: <1206588471_23@isp.n> M White wrote: > Can someone tell me if HP OVMS TCPIP 5.3 supports FTP passive mode or only > active mode? > I have previously been able to FTP from the OVMS Alpha but now when I try to > send files I get connected and get conformation that I can cd (change dir) > but a dir, put, get all I get is a timeout. The network admin says nothing > has changed on the firewall etc.. But something has changed as I can't get > my windoz ftp client to work either which it use to be able to send/receive > also. > Any thoughts from the OVMS community? Thanks. > > M. White > > Yes it does. See: Jeff ----== Posted via Pronews.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.pronews.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:09:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Rieck Subject: leftover junk on my system disk. Message-ID: <2cb26bd8-eda6-4f25-af4c-a3366bdf8b59@8g2000hsu.googlegroups.com> While installing OpenVMS-8.3-update-6 on one of my systems today, the task failed due to lack of disk space. Prior to restarting the update I poked around the disk looking for stuff to delete when I discovered 100,000 (allocated) blocks hiding in a directory called "[PCSI $UNDO_001]". The create date of that directory was 21-OCT-2007 and the only things I did on that that were: 1) upgrade from OpenVMS 8.2 to 8.3 2) apply OpenVMS-8.3-update-4 ========== $set def KAWC15$DKA0:[000000] $dir Directory KAWC15$DKA0:[000000] 000000.DIR;1 BACKUP.SYS;1 BADBLK.SYS;1 BADLOG.SYS; 1 BITMAP.SYS;1 CONTIN.SYS;1 CORIMG.SYS;1 DECSERVER $SRC.DIR;1 DELIVER.DIR;1 ERRLOG.CVT;1 HSZ22.DIR;1 INDEXF.SYS; 1 PCSI$UNDO_001.DIR;1 SECURITY.SYS;1 SYS$REGISTRY.DIR;1 SYS0.DIR;1 SYSLOST.DIR;1 VMS$COMMON.DIR;1 VOLSET.SYS; 1 Grand total of 37 directories, 737 files. $dir [PCSI$UNDO_001...]/grand/siz Grand total of 37 directories, 737 files, 84175 blocks. $ ========== What is worse is that the junk directory was also found on three other platforms. I deleted the junk and rebooted without any problems. Hopefully this information will be of use to someone else. Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:28:26 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: leftover junk on my system disk. Message-ID: <08032618282578_2020CE0A@antinode.org> From: Neil Rieck > $dir [PCSI$UNDO_001...]/grand/siz > > Grand total of 37 directories, 737 files, 84175 blocks. > [...] > What is worse is that the junk directory was also found on three other > platforms. I deleted the junk and rebooted without any problems. > Hopefully this information will be of use to someone else. I believe that you can compress the PCSI$UNDO_xxx directory contents (using, say, "zip -V"), but don't remove the actual directory, as that will confuse PCSI. That way you could save some space while retaining the UNDO capability. (Be sure to re-expand the stuff before trying that, though.) Of course, once the UNDO stuff becomes obsolete, it's largely (and I do mean _LARGE_ly) a waste of disk space. It's been a long time, and my memory is not good, but I thought that I did some VMS upgrade or other which deleted all that stuff automaically. But I could be delusional (again). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:12:44 -0400 From: bradhamilton Subject: Re: leftover junk on my system disk. Message-ID: <47EAE67C.8090404@comcast.net> Steven M. Schweda wrote: > From: Neil Rieck > >> $dir [PCSI$UNDO_001...]/grand/siz [...] > It's been a long time, and my memory is not good, but I thought that > I did some VMS upgrade or other which deleted all that stuff > automaically. But I could be delusional (again). No, you are not delusional. Major VMS upgrades destroy those directories and contents (if you think about it, it makes perfect sense). Certain layered-product upgrades will warn you, but will not install if you wish to preserve the UNDO sets. Given the choice, I have the layered-product upgrades delete the UNDO sets. The UNDO sets just allow for a convenient way to "back out" a patch. Someone from VMS engineering will no doubt chime in here, and offer a quick overview of UNDO "features". :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:35:35 GMT From: John Santos Subject: Re: Please critique my backup practices Message-ID: AEF wrote: > On Mar 25, 6:53 pm, David J Dachtera > wrote: > >>AEF wrote: >> >> >>>On Mar 21, 11:41 am, David J Dachtera >>>wrote: >>> >>>>Dale Dellutri wrote: >> >>>>>On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:36:19 -0700 (PDT), tadamsmar wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Mar 20, 2:36?pm, Dale Dellutri wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:02:14 -0700 (PDT), tadamsmar wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>To do a backup, I pop a drive out of a shadowset, back it up and put >>>>>>>>it back. >> >>>>>>>I assume you're talking about VMS Volume Shadowing. ?As far as I know, >>>>>>>taking a drive out of a shadowset causes the drive to look the same as >>>>>>>if there'd been a power failure. ?In other words, it does not properly >>>>>>>close open files. >> >>>>>>>I assume that you take image backups. ?If so, there's no benefit to >>>>>>>taking the drive out of the shadowset to take the image backup. >>>>>>>According to service techs that I talked to when I first set up >>>>>>>volume shadowing, there's no advantage over taking an image backup >>>>>>>of the volume set (the DSA device). >> >>>>>>>I assume that this is still true. >> >>>>>>>>The problem is, I don't record the backup dates. >> >>>>>>>You could record backup dates if you simply took an image backup >>>>>>>of the volume set. >> >>>>>>Don't I have to shutdown my system to do that? >> >>>>>I finally found the relevant item in "HP Volume Shadowing for >>>>>OpenVMS", v7.3-2. Chapter 7, Section titled "Data Consistency >>>>>Requirements": "Removal of a shadow set member results in what >>>>>is called a crash-consistent copy. That is, the copy of the >>>>>data on the removed member is of the same level of consistency >>>>>as what would result if the system had failed at that instant." >>>>>(pg 124 in my copy). >> >>>>>Actually, reading the entire section titled "Guidelines for >>>>>for Using a Shadow Member for Backup" would be very useful. >> >>>>The usual technique is to quiesce the application (cause it to close its >>>>files), THEN split the shadow-sets. We do something similar with BCVs on >>>>an EMC DMX array. This minimizes your "backup window". >> >>>Why not... >>>shut the app >>>check that no files are open (except for INDEXF.SYS by the system) >>>dismount the shadows set entirely >> >>Doing so disables mini-copy. See HELP DISMOUNT /POLICY >> >>David J Dachtera >>(formerly dba) DJE Systems > > > Then why does the fine manual say to do it that way? > > I guess it's a case of safety vs. speed. > > AEF What version of the manual? Maybe it predates minicopy, or maybe it wasn't updated when minicopy was added, or maybe it is referring to the safe way to do a backup when you can't follow the 237 caveats that have been posted in this thread about the dangers of doing an online backup of an active application. -- John Santos Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:50:25 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: Please critique my backup practices Message-ID: <286cc6e7-d218-4b7a-a7b6-f700c2deda13@p73g2000hsd.googlegroups.com> On Mar 26, 7:35 pm, John Santos wrote: > AEF wrote: > > On Mar 25, 6:53 pm, David J Dachtera > > wrote: > > >>AEF wrote: > > >>>On Mar 21, 11:41 am, David J Dachtera > >>>wrote: > > >>>>Dale Dellutri wrote: > > >>>>>On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:36:19 -0700 (PDT), tadamsmar wrote: > > >>>>>>On Mar 20, 2:36?pm, Dale Dellutri wrote: > > >>>>>>>On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:02:14 -0700 (PDT), tadamsmar wrote: > > >>>>>>>>To do a backup, I pop a drive out of a shadowset, back it up and put > >>>>>>>>it back. > > >>>>>>>I assume you're talking about VMS Volume Shadowing. ?As far as I know, > >>>>>>>taking a drive out of a shadowset causes the drive to look the same as > >>>>>>>if there'd been a power failure. ?In other words, it does not properly > >>>>>>>close open files. > > >>>>>>>I assume that you take image backups. ?If so, there's no benefit to > >>>>>>>taking the drive out of the shadowset to take the image backup. > >>>>>>>According to service techs that I talked to when I first set up > >>>>>>>volume shadowing, there's no advantage over taking an image backup > >>>>>>>of the volume set (the DSA device). > > >>>>>>>I assume that this is still true. > > >>>>>>>>The problem is, I don't record the backup dates. > > >>>>>>>You could record backup dates if you simply took an image backup > >>>>>>>of the volume set. > > >>>>>>Don't I have to shutdown my system to do that? > > >>>>>I finally found the relevant item in "HP Volume Shadowing for > >>>>>OpenVMS", v7.3-2. Chapter 7, Section titled "Data Consistency > >>>>>Requirements": "Removal of a shadow set member results in what > >>>>>is called a crash-consistent copy. That is, the copy of the > >>>>>data on the removed member is of the same level of consistency > >>>>>as what would result if the system had failed at that instant." > >>>>>(pg 124 in my copy). > > >>>>>Actually, reading the entire section titled "Guidelines for > >>>>>for Using a Shadow Member for Backup" would be very useful. > > >>>>The usual technique is to quiesce the application (cause it to close its > >>>>files), THEN split the shadow-sets. We do something similar with BCVs on > >>>>an EMC DMX array. This minimizes your "backup window". > > >>>Why not... > >>>shut the app > >>>check that no files are open (except for INDEXF.SYS by the system) > >>>dismount the shadows set entirely > > >>Doing so disables mini-copy. See HELP DISMOUNT /POLICY > > >>David J Dachtera > >>(formerly dba) DJE Systems > > > Then why does the fine manual say to do it that way? > > > I guess it's a case of safety vs. speed. > > > AEF > > What version of the manual? Maybe it predates minicopy, or maybe > it wasn't updated when minicopy was added, or maybe it is referring > to the safe way to do a backup when you can't follow the 237 caveats > that have been posted in this thread about the dangers of doing an > online backup of an active application. > > -- > John Santos > Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. > 781-861-0670 ext 539 The most current version on www.hp.com: The one under the V8.3 tab, but the manual itself is OpenVMS Alpha 7.3-2. I assume that's the most current. Has anything been added since? If so, why is it not documented at www.hp.com ? AEF ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 03:24:46 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: Please critique my backup practices Message-ID: "John Wallace" writes: >"Michael Moroney" wrote in message >news:fs9n15$vfi$1@pcls4.std.com... >> >> The application maps data files via $CRMPSC/$MGBLSC and generally forces a >> writeback ($UPDSEC) when something important changes. The application is >> homegrown and plays *very* fast and loose with the data, but due to the >> nature of this beast, that's not as bad as it sounds. > If the backup happens to contain valid data from these section files, >you're presumably better off than if it didn't? But how do you *know* it >will contain valid restorable data? These guys have been running wild for years, and have had problems with bad data, but they brush it off. I figure a bad backup might be better than no backup. >In addition to the usual open file concerns, I'd also want to know about the >relationship between the files - as the apps are still active, backups of >files may be individually valid but may relate to different points in time, >which, depending on the app, may or may not actually be a valid consistent >restorable dataset? >Even if you test the backup/restore and it appears to work when you test it, >as far as I can see you've no guarantee that the standard backup will not, >one day, contain inconsistent data e.g. because of unfortunate timing. >Murphy says that sooner or later, you will actually need to restore the data >but it won't be there in a usable form. What would the impact be if (when) >that happened? It has happened. The system is mostly for tracking and they reenter things manually when there are problems. >If this data really is important to you, and you really really really cannot >quiesce the app somehow, maybe you might want to think about doing something >application-specific (but probably outside the main application) to save a >copy of the important live data; maybe something which "knows" about the >application's behaviour and knows when a good time to take a self-consistent >snapshot might be???? I'm sure there are folks around who could provide >better advice than I'm offering. They might want $$$, which would >presumably be worthwhile if the data in these files is valuable to you. We're the ones trying to make some sanity out of the customer's system. If we get the contract we will do a rewrite, including MUCH better data protection, including such things as quiescing the app for proper backups, and so much more. You don't want to know. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:19:08 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Polycenter Scheduler Message-ID: <47EA939C.7090800@comcast.net> Lawrence Newton wrote: > Has anyone been able to make the old Polycenter Scheduler V2.1 work on > VMS V8.x?? > I have it running at V7.3-2. I had to register the image sched_rtl.exe using > @sys$update:register_privileged_image and restore vms$ieee_handler.exe to > sys$library after each VMS upgrade. > > It fusses about the sched_rtl image and it won't register. That is only > supplied as an .exe so I can't relink. > > Any ideas?? > > Lawrence That's got to be at least ten years old now. Don't you think you've gotten your money's worth out of it yet? I don't blame you for not upgrading though, I think I'd rather swim with sharks than deal with Computer Associates!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:04:53 +1030 From: Jeremy Begg Subject: Re: RX3600 and VMS 8.3 Message-ID: <13um5evd9855j69@corp.supernews.com> Hi, > If anyone is running the RX3660 or better server with VMS 8.3, can you > share > your experience and comments. I am considering moving from an Alpha DS25 > running > vms 8.3 to the Itanium. > > Thank you in Advance, > > Chuck I'll second Steve's advice and strongly suggest you consider an rx2660. It has the same CPU as the rx3660 but is much cheaper. The extra RAM and PCI slots in the rx3660 come at a very high price. You don't give any details about your DS25 configuration but I suggest you should have 8GB RAM in your Integrity server (4GB is the minmum to get real work done, in my experience). You'll find the inbuilt SAS controller and drives to be a lot quicker than anything internal the DS25 but of course if your DS25 is using a SAN then the I/O performance probably won't change that much. In general the Integrity servers are much faster than the DS-series AlphaServers (the only ones I have an direct experience of). Make sure you install OpenVMS V8.3-1H1 on your Integrity box; amongst other things it gives you USB 2.0 so a range of cheap storage peripherals become an option. (The hardware of course has alwways supported USB 2.0 devices but OpenVMS restricted it to low-speed operation.) Regards, Jeremy Begg  ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:50:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Another Steve Subject: Re: scripting a telnet session to VMS Message-ID: <73a23e97-209a-4bdf-b24c-7dfae3affc26@u69g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Mar 25, 8:12 pm, David J Dachtera wrote: > Another Steve wrote: > > > I am attempting to script a telnet session via vb.net to a VMS > > system. > > My trick knee tells me that is *NOT* WHAT you're trying to do, that's > HOW you're trying to do it. > > What are you REALLY trying to do? > > ...and why are you using Telnet instead of REXEC, RSHELL or something > more appropriate to the task? > > David J Dachtera > (fomerly dba) DJE Systems the connection itself is now working, but I am timing out while waiting for the "Username: " prompt. all I am receiving back from the telnet connection is "??=18" Any ideas on progressing In the past I was able to successfully script a session using Expect on linux but due to some constraints on some other features I cannot continue to use linux for our X-windows needs. This is being run on a closed network, and will essentially amount to a front end control for Cygwin. I am open to other suggestions to automate the process of launching windows from a remote VMS system but I am trying to come up with something so we can get away from Exceed. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:20:47 -0700 (PDT) From: pfaut Subject: Re: scripting a telnet session to VMS Message-ID: <01f442d3-144b-415c-a9d2-d379152fb442@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On Mar 26, 2:50 pm, Another Steve wrote: > the connection itself is now working, but I am timing out while > waiting for the "Username: " prompt. all I am receiving back from the > telnet connection is "?? " Find the RFC for the TELNET protocol. Immediately after the connection is established, there is a dialog that goes on between the client and server to determine parameters for the session. The characters you received were the server telling you what it will and won't do and it's waiting for you to tell it the same. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Mar 2008 20:12:23 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: scripting a telnet session to VMS Message-ID: <47eaae27$0$15158$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <01f442d3-144b-415c-a9d2-d379152fb442@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, pfaut writes: >On Mar 26, 2:50 pm, Another Steve wrote: >> the connection itself is now working, but I am timing out while >> waiting for the "Username: " prompt. all I am receiving back from the >> telnet connection is "?? " > >Find the RFC for the TELNET protocol. Immediately after the >connection is established, there is a dialog that goes on between the >client and server to determine parameters for the session. The >characters you received were the server telling you what it will and >won't do and it's waiting for you to tell it the same. That's pretty low-level handshaking to just establish and automate a TELNET login to VMS. We still haven't heard as to WHY someone would want to automate such a login to VMS. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:24:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Another Steve Subject: Re: scripting a telnet session to VMS Message-ID: On Mar 26, 3:20 pm, pfaut wrote: > On Mar 26, 2:50 pm, Another Steve wrote: > > > the connection itself is now working, but I am timing out while > > waiting for the "Username: " prompt. all I am receiving back from the > > telnet connection is "?? " > > Find the RFC for the TELNET protocol. Immediately after the > connection is established, there is a dialog that goes on between the > client and server to determine parameters for the session. The > characters you received were the server telling you what it will and > won't do and it's waiting for you to tell it the same. Thanks, got that resolved I am happy with what I have right now, thanks for the help ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:25:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Another Steve Subject: Re: scripting a telnet session to VMS Message-ID: On Mar 26, 4:12 pm, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <01f442d3-144b-415c-a9d2-d379152fb...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, pfaut writes: > > >On Mar 26, 2:50 pm, Another Steve wrote: > >> the connection itself is now working, but I am timing out while > >> waiting for the "Username: " prompt. all I am receiving back from the > >> telnet connection is "?? " > > >Find the RFC for the TELNET protocol. Immediately after the > >connection is established, there is a dialog that goes on between the > >client and server to determine parameters for the session. The > >characters you received were the server telling you what it will and > >won't do and it's waiting for you to tell it the same. > > That's pretty low-level handshaking to just establish and automate a TELNET > login to VMS. > > We still haven't heard as to WHY someone would want to automate such a login > to VMS. > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" > > http://tmesis.com/drat.html I want to create a front end for cygwin, the user pushes a button and the commands are sent via telnet to create the window on the local x windows terminal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:12:51 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: scripting a telnet session to VMS Message-ID: <47ead8aa$0$28113$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Another Steve wrote: > I want to create a front end for cygwin, the user pushes a button and > the commands are sent via telnet to create the window on the local x > windows terminal This would have been very trivial to do with Kermit. It has scripting and support for telnet ------------------------------ Date: 26 Mar 2008 23:52:15 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: scripting a telnet session to VMS Message-ID: <47eae1af$0$5628$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article , Another Steve writes: >On Mar 26, 4:12 pm, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> In article <01f442d3-144b-415c-a9d2-d379152fb...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, pfaut writes: >> >> >On Mar 26, 2:50 pm, Another Steve wrote: >> >> the connection itself is now working, but I am timing out while >> >> waiting for the "Username: " prompt. all I am receiving back from the >> >> telnet connection is "?? " >> >> >Find the RFC for the TELNET protocol. Immediately after the >> >connection is established, there is a dialog that goes on between the >> >client and server to determine parameters for the session. The >> >characters you received were the server telling you what it will and >> >won't do and it's waiting for you to tell it the same. >> >> That's pretty low-level handshaking to just establish and automate a TELNET >> login to VMS. >> >> We still haven't heard as to WHY someone would want to automate such a login >> to VMS. >> >> -- >> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >> >> "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" >> >> http://tmesis.com/drat.html > >I want to create a front end for cygwin, the user pushes a button and >the commands are sent via telnet to create the window on the local x >windows terminal Cygwin is a Weendoze terminal emulator? I can't believe you'd be so lax with system security to have username and password to a VMS machine hard- coded into a script that any hacker who gets into the Weendoze box could exploit. I hope this isn't used at any company which has any interests in my well- being! -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:53:12 -0400 From: Paul Anderson Subject: Re: VMS Mail translates incoming tilde character into a dollar sign. Message-ID: In article <47e9d1ce$0$6423$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei wrote: > Now, when you guys move out of ZKO, will the tildes that HP steals > from our emails still end up being dumped on the floor at ZKO ? There's no money in the move budget for moving the tildes. Besides, I think there are environmental regulations against moving them across state lines. Or are you talking about new tildes, collected after the move? I'll have to bring this issue up in our next move planning meeting. Paul -- Paul Anderson OpenVMS Engineering Hewlett-Packard Company ------------------------------ Date: 26 Mar 2008 18:15:28 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: VMS Mail translates incoming tilde character into a dollar sign. Message-ID: <47ea92c0$0$5625$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article , Paul Anderson writes: >In article <47e9d1ce$0$6423$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, > JF Mezei wrote: > >> Now, when you guys move out of ZKO, will the tildes that HP steals >> from our emails still end up being dumped on the floor at ZKO ? > >There's no money in the move budget for moving the tildes. Besides, I >think there are environmental regulations against moving them across >state lines. > >Or are you talking about new tildes, collected after the move? I'll >have to bring this issue up in our next move planning meeting. Can't they be recycled and the money saved used to buy some VMS advertising space in a prestigious magazine like Hustler or PC Magazine. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.173 ************************