INFO-VAX Tue, 18 Mar 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 156 Contents: A more FLEXible COV RE: A more FLEXible COV Can't get into SRM on PWS 433au Re: Can't get into SRM on PWS 433au Re: Can't get into SRM on PWS 433au Re: Can't get into SRM on PWS 433au Re: CSWS 2.1-1 - find file problem RE: DHCP Server question/problem Fotran 95 Re: Fotran 95 Re: Fotran 95 Re: Fotran 95 Re: Fotran 95 Re: Fotran 95 Re: Fotran 95 Re: Fotran 95 Re: Hobbyist Licenses Re: oracle Revised time in DIR / FULL output Re: Revised time in DIR / FULL output Re: Revised time in DIR / FULL output Re: Revised time in DIR / FULL output Re: Revised time in DIR / FULL output Re: Revised time in DIR / FULL output Re: VMS Mail translates incoming tilde character into a dollar sign. Re: VMS Mail translates incoming tilde character into a dollar sign. Re: VMS Mail translates incoming tilde character into a dollar sign. Re: VMS Mail translates incoming tilde character into a dollar sign. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:40:20 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: A more FLEXible COV Message-ID: Hi, I've finally started playing with this Adobe Flex stuff and can't believe how easy it is! Now, you may recall, JFP promised his source code (when he gets around to it) and there is an absolute plethora of examples and tutorials on Adobe's Flex SDK and FlexBuilder web pages, but I fear that most, if not all, of these examples with concentrate on http-based servers sending XML down the line to stand-alone AIR applications or browsers where the SWF owns the whole page. (Which is fine if you like that sort of thing :-) What I wish to accomplish here, with this post, is a whetting of your appetites for a slight variation on this theme; a pleasant and extremely flexible alternative, where your standard html mark-up and JavaScript continue to control the outer page while the SWF Flex Application is confined to as much or as little of the on-screen real-estate as you desire. Adobe's FABridge is employed so as to expose all of the mxml components and classes to your JavaScript, and alternatively your JavaScript to your ActionScript. Anyway, attached below is some code I've been playing around with. It's basically a cut-down version of the FABridge example (little steps :-) with a pie-graph from the Flex DashBoard example. (The declaring of arbitrary events and the handling of two-dimensional drill-down still being looked at :-) For a pretty good Flex charting example see: - http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flex/samples/dashboard/ For information on the FABridge see: - http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Flex_Framework:FABridge So do yourself a favour. When you come out of church this Sunday and are thinking about checking out what beer gardens have opened, or on Monday when you look out the window and think of scooting off to Kaprun for a quick ski followed by a lazy afternoon around the lake at Zell am See, may I suggest that instead you download the Flex Builder & SDK and spend the day getting an application up and running. (Don't get me wrong, Perth's still a great outdoor place to raise a family and has the best climate in the world, but if it was any more boring I'd explode! :-) Download the 60 day Flex Builder trial version from http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/ then load up the 3 tiny source files below into a project and see how easy it is to get (an albeit very basic) example up and running. (I exported the Example.html and BridgeTest.swf files to /inetpub/wwwroot/ and place the required FABridge.js file below at BridgeExample/javascript/ ) So what has any of this got to do with VMS? Well the only mental gymnastics I ask of you is the ability to look at the hard-coded population of the employeesFeed in the loadEmployees JS function and imagine instead that the employee data is coming down a Tier3 Socket from your VMS 3GL code. (Such as in the example demo_client_web.html at http://manson.vistech.net/t3$examples/ ) It's not really a hop skip and a jump is it? More later. . . Cheers Richard Maher PS. You'd like to see an employees salary_history by department via COBOL from an Rdb database in that pie-graph from the TestDrive cluster now wouldn't you? Example.html (The addInitialization callback is important) ========== Testing Flex-AJAX Bridge

  
Trace Output:



BridgeTest.mxml ============ Name: "+name+"
Value: "+nf.format(value); } ]]>
Breakdown of employee salaries by department.
BridgeScript.as (Bare bones stuff) =========== // ActionScript to test out FABridge package { import flash.display.MovieClip; import bridge.FABridge; public class BridgeScript extends MovieClip { private var externalBridge:FABridge; public function BridgeScript() { super(); externalBridge = new FABridge(); externalBridge.rootObject = this; } } } ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:25:20 -0400 From: "Peter Weaver" Subject: RE: A more FLEXible COV Message-ID: <01f901c88903$e6bde150$2802a8c0@CHARONLAP> > I've finally started playing with this Adobe Flex > stuff and can't believe how easy it is! Agreed, I started playing with it the other week and it was very easy to take the SHOW SYSTEM code out of the PHP_OPENVMS.PHP and display it in a DataGrid. Now I am playing with a program that dumps out the ACCOUNTNG.DAT and displaying a summary in a DataGrid and switching to a detailed page. The DataGrid is limited to 5000 rows though so that is a bit of a problem, but it is fun playing with it when I have a few minutes here and a few minutes there. Peter Weaver www.weaverconsulting.ca CHARON-VAX CHARON-AXP DataStream Reflection PreciseMail HP Commercial Hardware ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:48:18 -0600 From: Dan O'Reilly Subject: Can't get into SRM on PWS 433au Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20080318104606.02635da0@raptor.psccos.com> I had a power hit on my place yesterday, and now I can't get my PWS 433au to switch from AlphaBIOS to SRM. I tell it to switch to OpenVMS in the advanced config screen, save the options, and power off, and it always comes up in AlphaBIOS. I've reflashed the system and it was able to program both SRM and ARC just fine, but still the same situation. Any ideas? I ***REALLY*** need this system back!!! ------ +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | Dan O'Reilly | "There are 10 types of people in this | | Principal Engineer | world: those who understand binary | | Process Software | and those who don't." | | http://www.process.com | | +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:53:42 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Can't get into SRM on PWS 433au Message-ID: <47DFF396.5050906@comcast.net> Dan O'Reilly wrote: > I had a power hit on my place yesterday, and now I can't get my PWS > 433au to switch from AlphaBIOS to SRM. I tell it to switch to OpenVMS > in the advanced config screen, save the options, and power off, and it > always comes up in AlphaBIOS. I've reflashed the system and it was able > to program both SRM and ARC just fine, but still the same situation. > > Any ideas? I ***REALLY*** need this system back!!! > The only merciful thing to do is shoot it! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:16:12 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Uusim=E4ki?= Subject: Re: Can't get into SRM on PWS 433au Message-ID: <47dff891$0$8174$9b536df3@news.fv.fi> Dan O'Reilly wrote: > I had a power hit on my place yesterday, and now I can't get my PWS > 433au to switch from AlphaBIOS to SRM. I tell it to switch to OpenVMS > in the advanced config screen, save the options, and power off, and it > always comes up in AlphaBIOS. I've reflashed the system and it was able > to program both SRM and ARC just fine, but still the same situation. > > Any ideas? I ***REALLY*** need this system back!!! > > ------ > +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ > | Dan O'Reilly | "There are 10 types of people in this | > | Principal Engineer | world: those who understand binary | > | Process Software | and those who don't." | > | http://www.process.com | | > +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ > The battery which feeds the nvram and thus keeps the SRM or AlphaBios settings has emptied. Buy a new one (the type is CR2032, looks like a coin) from the closest store and replace it. Then your settings will be saved for the next 10 years. :-) Regards, Kari ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:19:33 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Uusim=E4ki?= Subject: Re: Can't get into SRM on PWS 433au Message-ID: <47dff95a$0$8174$9b536df3@news.fv.fi> Uusimäki wrote: > Dan O'Reilly wrote: >> I had a power hit on my place yesterday, and now I can't get my PWS >> 433au to switch from AlphaBIOS to SRM. I tell it to switch to OpenVMS >> in the advanced config screen, save the options, and power off, and it >> always comes up in AlphaBIOS. I've reflashed the system and it was >> able to program both SRM and ARC just fine, but still the same situation. >> >> Any ideas? I ***REALLY*** need this system back!!! >> >> ------ >> +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ >> >> | Dan O'Reilly | "There are 10 types of people in >> this | >> | Principal Engineer | world: those who understand >> binary | >> | Process Software | and those who >> don't." | >> | http://www.process.com >> | | >> +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ >> >> > > The battery which feeds the nvram and thus keeps the SRM or AlphaBios > settings has emptied. > Buy a new one (the type is CR2032, looks like a coin) from the closest > store and replace it. > Then your settings will be saved for the next 10 years. :-) > > Regards, > > Kari Forgot to mention, that it resides on the motherboard. Regards, Kari ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:41:06 -0500 From: "Craig A. Berry" Subject: Re: CSWS 2.1-1 - find file problem Message-ID: In article <00A76BDC.8D2590A7@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing) wrote: > (3217657193) at ITRC. > > - by:Alan Winston(CA1008153) - > Try this: Use SDA> XFC and SET TRACE/SELECT=LEVEL:2 on a > lightly-loaded system running Apache at the levels mentioned above. > > [CSWS V2.1-1 Full LP Installed] > > What we found on a number of different systems we had access to > was that on VMS 8.3 systems (Alpha and Itanium both), if we > specified a file that wasn't there, we'd see file access and > deaccess for EVERY FILE IN THE DIRECTORY (but only the uppermost > version of each). I don't know the answer but if I had the problem I would be scanning the Apache sources for instances of readdir to see if there are any conditions where it intentionally tries to suck in the whole directory listing at once. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:22:03 -0400 From: "Peter Weaver" Subject: RE: DHCP Server question/problem Message-ID: <01f501c888fb$0edecb30$2802a8c0@CHARONLAP> > What kind of router? To the best of my knowledge, the > DHCP server in Cisco IOS will not act as both a DHCP > server and a DHCP relay agent simultaneously -- if the > server component can respond, the relay agent component > won't relay. Mine is a modified "SpeedStream Wireless DSL Gateway" that is supplied by my Internet provider. If I could change it then I would since the thing is completely brain dead. I have a DCL procedure that uses WGET to constantly check to make sure the thing has not lost its fixed IP address, and also checks to see if it has lost its Wireless connections. The procedure forces a reboot about 2 to 4 times a month when this thing stops working. But I have had DHCP handled by my VMS systems for the last 8 or 9 months and this was the first time the thing stopped passing the DHCP response. Peter Weaver www.weaverconsulting.ca CHARON-VAX CHARON-AXP DataStream Reflection PreciseMail HP Commercial Hardware ------------------------------ Date: 18 Mar 2008 11:36:23 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Fotran 95 Message-ID: <649npnF2afgruU1@mid.individual.net> A quick question. I recently saw a job posting looking for somwonw to do Fortran 95 on a VMS system. Does HP even have Fortran 95? I didn't see it on the Layered Products list. If not, who makes an F95 compiler for VMS? bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:53:01 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fotran 95 Message-ID: In article <649npnF2afgruU1@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >A quick question. > >I recently saw a job posting looking for somwonw to do Fortran 95 on a >VMS system. Does HP even have Fortran 95? I didn't see it on the Layered >Products list. If not, who makes an F95 compiler for VMS? > From the HELP for the standard VMS Fortran compiler (at least on alpha) FORTRAN /STANDARD[=option] D=/NOSTANDARD /[NO]STANDARD Controls whether the compiler generates informational diagnostic messages for Compaq extensions to the Fortran language standard in effect at compile-time. F90 Tells the compiler to compare language features to the Fortran 90 Standard. F95 Tells the compiler to compare language features to the Fortran 95 Standard. Also see http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82final/6324/6324pro.html#lang_standards where it says "HP Fortran fully supports the Fortran 95, Fortran 90 , and FORTRAN 77 standards". So yes VMS has a supported Fortran 95 compiler. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University >bill > >-- >Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves >billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. >University of Scranton | >Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 18 Mar 2008 12:07:19 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Fotran 95 Message-ID: <649pjnF2afakvU1@mid.individual.net> In article , david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: > In article <649npnF2afgruU1@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >>A quick question. >> >>I recently saw a job posting looking for somwonw to do Fortran 95 on a >>VMS system. Does HP even have Fortran 95? I didn't see it on the Layered >>Products list. If not, who makes an F95 compiler for VMS? >> > From the HELP for the standard VMS Fortran compiler (at least on alpha) > > FORTRAN > > /STANDARD[=option] D=/NOSTANDARD > > /[NO]STANDARD > > Controls whether the compiler generates informational diagnostic > messages for Compaq extensions to the Fortran language standard in > effect at compile-time. > > F90 > Tells the compiler to compare language features to the Fortran 90 > Standard. > > F95 > Tells the compiler to compare language features to the Fortran 95 > Standard. > > > Also see > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82final/6324/6324pro.html#lang_standards > > where it says > > "HP Fortran fully supports the Fortran 95, Fortran 90 , and FORTRAN 77 > standards". > > So yes VMS has a supported Fortran 95 compiler. Is this perhaps Alpha (and newer)? I was looking at the list for one of my VAX distributions. If not, anyone care to hazard a guess why they still call it F77? bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:17:30 +0000 From: Anton Shterenlikht Subject: Re: Fotran 95 Message-ID: <20080318121730.GA91647@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 11:36:23AM +0000, Bill Gunshannon wrote: > A quick question. > > I recently saw a job posting looking for somwonw to do Fortran 95 on a > VMS system. Does HP even have Fortran 95? I didn't see it on the Layered > Products list. If not, who makes an F95 compiler for VMS? HP fortran supports some f95 features, see section 1.3 and appendices A.1 and A.2 of HP Fortran for OpenVMS Language Reference Manual, version 8.0 from JAN-2005. I don't know what f95 features HP fortran does not support. -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ------------------------------ Date: 18 Mar 2008 08:25:25 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Fotran 95 Message-ID: In article <649npnF2afgruU1@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > A quick question. > > I recently saw a job posting looking for somwonw to do Fortran 95 on a > VMS system. Does HP even have Fortran 95? I didn't see it on the Layered > Products list. If not, who makes an F95 compiler for VMS? Fortran 90 for Alpha has been aronud for a long, long time. The compiler long since included most of the Fortran 95 updates. Not so for VAXen, which are stuck at Fortran 77. I assume IA-64 got at least what Alpha already had. But I understand ANSI has issued another Fortran standard since 2000 and not one single vendor has implemented it. So much for the mother tounge. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:04:58 +0000 From: Anton Shterenlikht Subject: Re: Fotran 95 Message-ID: <20080318130458.GA91847@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 08:25:25AM -0600, Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <649npnF2afgruU1@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > > A quick question. > > > > I recently saw a job posting looking for somwonw to do Fortran 95 on a > > VMS system. Does HP even have Fortran 95? I didn't see it on the Layered > > Products list. If not, who makes an F95 compiler for VMS? > > But I understand ANSI has issued another Fortran standard since 2000 > and not one single vendor has implemented it. So much for the mother > tounge. g95 supports many f2003 features. It can be built on VMS using gcc. -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:22:22 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Fotran 95 Message-ID: <47DFC20E.2000401@comcast.net> Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <649npnF2afgruU1@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > >>A quick question. >> >>I recently saw a job posting looking for somwonw to do Fortran 95 on a >>VMS system. Does HP even have Fortran 95? I didn't see it on the Layered >>Products list. If not, who makes an F95 compiler for VMS? > > > Fortran 90 for Alpha has been aronud for a long, long time. The > compiler long since included most of the Fortran 95 updates. > > Not so for VAXen, which are stuck at Fortran 77. I assume IA-64 got > at least what Alpha already had. > > But I understand ANSI has issued another Fortran standard since 2000 > and not one single vendor has implemented it. So much for the mother > tounge. > The standards committees are sometimes loaded with academic types. A few years ago there was a small uproar over a new C standard that had been gummed up with stuff that the academics thought was cute and the vendors/compiler writers thought was a disaster. I don't recall if anyone won that war or if we all lost it. On the rare occasions when I write code, I use the languages I learned back in the 70's and 80's; e.g. Fortran IV, Fortran 77 and an elderly dialect of C. Since I'm generally the only user, no one has complained! ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:48:15 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fotran 95 Message-ID: In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >In article <649npnF2afgruU1@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >> A quick question. >> >> I recently saw a job posting looking for somwonw to do Fortran 95 on a >> VMS system. Does HP even have Fortran 95? I didn't see it on the Layered >> Products list. If not, who makes an F95 compiler for VMS? > > Fortran 90 for Alpha has been aronud for a long, long time. The > compiler long since included most of the Fortran 95 updates. > Just to clarify the current Fortran compiler (for Alpha and Itanium) complies fully with the Fortran 95 standard - though as is fairly usual with compilers adds on it's own extensions. From http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82final/6324/6324pro.html#lang_standards " HP Fortran conforms to the American National Standard Fortran 95 (ANSI X3J3/96-007) " > Not so for VAXen, which are stuck at Fortran 77. I assume IA-64 got > at least what Alpha already had. > > But I understand ANSI has issued another Fortran standard since 2000 > and not one single vendor has implemented it. So much for the mother > tounge. > Yes Fortran 2003 (and they are already working on a minor enhancement Fortran 2008) - see http://www.nag.co.uk/sc22wg5/IS1539-1_200x.html). David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 04:33:49 -0700 (PDT) From: IanMiller Subject: Re: Hobbyist Licenses Message-ID: <1c753b8b-a52d-4144-82e1-1be0d5bd57e8@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com> Best ask this in the hobbyist forums ------------------------------ Date: 18 Mar 2008 11:19:48 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: oracle Message-ID: <47dfa554$0$15177$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <47DF1E53.4040409@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: >Michael Austin wrote: >> Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> >>> Tom Linden wrote: >>> >>>> And what is the relevance of this? >>> >>> >>> To generate traffic on the spammers pages. >>> >>> Arne >> >> >> All spammers should have their hands broken into tiny little pieces.... > >All spammers should be rendered incapable of reproduction! I like the idea of both! :) -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:31:56 -0700 (PDT) From: shofu_au@yahoo.com.au Subject: Revised time in DIR / FULL output Message-ID: Hi Group, I have noticed that in a dir / full output that after the revised time that there is a number in brackets. What does this number indicate? Maybe number of times the file has been rewritten since creation? Where in the RMS manuals is the definition of this number defined? Thanks Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:52:26 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Revised time in DIR / FULL output Message-ID: shofu_au@yahoo.com.au wrote: > Hi Group, > > I have noticed that in a dir / full output that after the revised time > that there is a number in brackets. > > What does this number indicate? Maybe number of times the file has > been rewritten since creation? > > Where in the RMS manuals is the definition of this number defined? > > Thanks > > Mark Number of modifications (open for write, close) operations. If I'm not wrong... Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 04:33:09 -0700 (PDT) From: IanMiller Subject: Re: Revised time in DIR / FULL output Message-ID: <0af240e9-4ed3-4b37-802a-4a9b0991180b@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com> IIRC Number of revisions to the file header ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 04:49:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Volker Halle Subject: Re: Revised time in DIR / FULL output Message-ID: Mark, FI2$W_REVISION - Revision number. This word contains the revision count of the file in binary format. The revision count is the number of times the file has been accessed for writing. Volker. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Mar 2008 08:22:16 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Revised time in DIR / FULL output Message-ID: In article , shofu_au@yahoo.com.au writes: > Hi Group, > > I have noticed that in a dir / full output that after the revised time > that there is a number in brackets. > It's in parentheses on my system, and it's the number of times the file has been closed after being opened with write access, and therefor the number of times the revised date has changed. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 07:12:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel Subject: Re: Revised time in DIR / FULL output Message-ID: <82d976fd-d9af-4945-b35e-4643dccba618@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Mar 18, 10:22=A0am, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > In article , shofu...@yahoo.com.au writes: > > > Hi Group, > > > I have noticed that in a dir / full output that after the revised time > > that there is a number in brackets. > > =A0 =A0It's in parentheses on my system, and it's the number of times the > =A0 =A0file has been closed after being opened with write access, and > =A0 =A0therefor the number of times the revised date has changed. And just to complete all the other fine answers... 1) No it is NOT relyable, as it is a 16 bit counter which silently wraps around. 2) The file contents might not have changed that often. Just opening with write intend is enough for a bump. Hein. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Mar 2008 11:18:46 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: VMS Mail translates incoming tilde character into a dollar sign. Message-ID: <47dfa516$0$15177$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <022a67c3$0$5073$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: >Robert Deininger wrote: > >> Patch kits were requested today for these versions: >> V8.2-1 I64 >> V8.3 I64 and Alpha >> >> These kits would make the V8.3-1H1 functionality available on the >> earlier VMS versions: >> $ DEFINE/PROCESS MAIL$FILTER 1 >> to keep "}" and "~" from being filtered out. > > >Wouldn't it have been simpler for you guys and better for customers to >provide a MAIL.EXE image that just didn't do that filtering ? Customers >who don't need the filtering could then install that image and not have >to worry about that truly pesky /PROCESS logical. ... or, at least, $ DEFINE/PROCESS MAIL$FILTER 1 to turn ON the filter! AFAIAC, MAIL wasn't broke so why muck with it? I've had my run-ins with the myriad terminal emulators and products outputting escape sequences. I won't break these products because a terminal emulator cannot get its handling of sequences correct. IMNSHO, these emulator producers should fix their bugs; HP should not introduce _bugs_ into VMS components. I just looked through my listing of escape sequences. The ~ is primarily sent in escape responses for function keys ([Find] [1~ for example). I find the } in sequences such as DECSASD ([Ps$}) DEC Select Active Status Display. The ~ does appear in DECSSDT ([Ps$~) DEC Select Status Line Type. DECPRO ([Ps}) (DEC PROtected field attribute) is also a consumer of the }. So, what we have is a terminal emulator that is incapable of handling the status line display and or protecting char- acter attributes. HP, to fix a third-party's bugs, make the whole issue moot by thrusting an oversized spanner into the VMS MAIL works. HP, my terminal emulator is having problems with escape sequence with '[' in them. HP will you please change these to '#' or perhaps '?'. Thanks! Also, sequences with 'm' in them are causing me problems. Please change these to 'g' or 'n' or 'i'. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:21:20 -0000 From: "Richard Brodie" Subject: Re: VMS Mail translates incoming tilde character into a dollar sign. Message-ID: wrote in message news:47dfa516$0$15177$607ed4bc@cv.net... > HP, my terminal emulator is having problems with escape sequence with '[' > in them. HP will you please change these to '#' or perhaps '?'. Thanks! > Also, sequences with 'm' in them are causing me problems. Please change > these to 'g' or 'n' or 'i'. You can't expect HP to solve all your problens, Vaxian. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:25:27 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: VMS Mail translates incoming tilde character into a dollar sign. Message-ID: In article <022a67c3$0$5073$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: >Robert Deininger wrote: > >> Patch kits were requested today for these versions: >> V8.2-1 I64 >> V8.3 I64 and Alpha >> >> These kits would make the V8.3-1H1 functionality available on the >> earlier VMS versions: >> $ DEFINE/PROCESS MAIL$FILTER 1 >> to keep "}" and "~" from being filtered out. > > >Wouldn't it have been simpler for you guys and better for customers to >provide a MAIL.EXE image that just didn't do that filtering ? Customers >who don't need the filtering could then install that image and not have >to worry about that truly pesky /PROCESS logical. Seconded. And then for the next VMS version that version which didn't filter printable ASCII characters could be the default. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:45:42 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: VMS Mail translates incoming tilde character into a dollar sign. Message-ID: <08031806454206_2020CE0A@antinode.org> From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG > AFAIAC, MAIL wasn't broke so why muck with it? [...] An excellent question. > [...] HP, to fix a third-party's bugs, make the whole issue > moot by thrusting an oversized spanner into the VMS MAIL works. Apparently. VMS MAIL is lame enough without "fixes" like this one. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. 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