INFO-VAX Mon, 18 Feb 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 98 Contents: Re: Another Alpha turned off... Re: Another Alpha turned off... Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Re: NFS and version numbers Re: ODS5, /NAMES = AS_IS, LIBRARY, MMS v. me Re: ODS5, /NAMES = AS_IS, LIBRARY, MMS v. me Re: ODS5, /NAMES = AS_IS, LIBRARY, MMS v. me regex within a DCL procedure Re: regex within a DCL procedure Re: regex within a DCL procedure ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:30:34 +0100 From: Michael Kraemer Subject: Re: Another Alpha turned off... Message-ID: ChrisQuayle schrieb: > I couldn't believe how fast it was initially and would still be > competitive now, were it not for the fact that there's little support in > open source for Tru64 and Alpha. Even Linux Alpha support is dying. What do you miss ? OTOH, a dead OS on a dead CPU won't attract developers in droves. > One thing I don't fully agree with is the bit about the "best hardware > in the business". This may have been true in the days of the old big > iron stuff like 6000 series vax etc, but some of the later w/s boxes > were very plasticky - That's a general trend during the 1990s, not bound to a particular vendor. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 10:20:42 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: Another Alpha turned off... Message-ID: <15b82306-209c-416d-80fd-2adbced47bfb@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com> On Feb 16, 4:17 pm, Michael Austin wrote: > It was a sad day for me today as I completed the final backup and making > sure everything I needed was removed from my trusty Alpha 2100 that has > been running firstdbasource.com and spacelots.com for the past 8-9 > years. I purchased (or traded services for systems) 2 Alpha 2100's > during 1999. Both had just been retired at 2 separate Charlotte-based > companies and had been running at those sites for 4-5 years at that > time. I lost one of them about 3 years ago - bad I/O board and it has > been sitting silent acting as storage unit for a monitor/keyboard of the > other server. During Christmas week, I found 2 inexpensive DS10L's that > have taken the place of the 2100's. The "good" 2100/275 may live yet > again as a small Samba file server for a local law firm, but that is > still being negotiated. (hey, I may even make back the $1K I paid for it > :) ). The other will be taken to a local computer recycling center for > disposal after cannibalizing any remaining boards. (The SCSI card is now > in my DS10L :)) > > DEC made the very best hardware in the business. I do not see ANY > vendor that even comes close to competing. Along with the 2 2100's, I > also have been running a |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| Starion 266MhzPentI+32Mb mem. > I purchased it in '97 from a Frye's Electronics in Phoenix and it had > been a floor demo that ran from the time they received it in 1995 until > I bought it. In 1999, I wiped Windows95 off of it and installed Caldera > Linux. It's sole purpose in life since 1999 is to keep my DSL IP > address in sync with my Dynamic DNS provider ZONEEDIT.COM In 2000 the > primary port on the IDE controller died in such a way that there was no > more "C:" drive. I created a boot-floppy that stays in the floppy drive > and boots, then turns control over to the D: drive... It has been doing > this now for 8+ years - headless. I have a feeling the Starion is dying > as the fan gets loud at times and the box reboots itself every couple > months. I have a feeling my 6 year old Dell box will replace its > functionality - but do not think it will last as long as the Starion > has... almost 13 years - almost as long as the 2100's. > > They have served me well -please pause for a moment of silence... > > Long Live Alpha. I have a 1989 vintage VS3100-30 on my desk at work. One service call to replace the SCSI board back in the early '90s, and I filled up its memory as other sites retired compatible systems. The GPX video board and the power supply died in a terrible power hit last year (that also fried the isoBAR they were plugged in to) and I replaced it with my spare SPX board and p/s from home (spares for my 1991-ish VS3100-m76, which also still runs fine but is shut down most of the time). The VS3100-30 still has one of its original RZ24 drives (the other was replaced and sold as a spare to a customer). Three monitors have passed on while in use by this system (one VR150, and two VR299s). It currently sports a snazzy NEC LCD2010. Nice, nice reliability and build quality. The only problem with my VS3100-30 is that it wants an expensive true-sine-wave UPS, which work won't buy. The simulated sine wave output of a cheaper one starts making the power supply very unhappy (displayed by release of heat, and the smell of impending magic smoke dispensation). The oldest Alpha here was the PC AXP150 which was running from 1993 to 2005; we gave that one away after updating to a DS10. My AS200 purchased from Onsale.com in (I think) 1997 is still going strong, running 24x7 practically since new, except for upgrades (384MB RAM and a KZPBA with nice drives attached). Long live VAX! (and Alpha too!) ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 2008 07:11:49 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: <$apJn5T1ZmkT@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <47b5a119$0$13991$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: > > The phone company was unwilling to give me the identity of the phone > number that was shown in the caller ID. (and it was a proper number > since something answered at the other end). I don't know if it's a national thing yet, or just state-wide. After a bad call, you enter *69 before calling anything else and the phone company stores the caller (not relying on the caller-id you can get) for 24 hours. You have 24 hours to convince the authorities to go to court and get a warrant for the data. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 2008 13:11:57 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: <61tegtF217dnhU1@mid.individual.net> In article <50b9ac09-748d-4947-af8d-0ffa74cb80b2@o77g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: > On Feb 17, 4:18 pm, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: >> In article , >> AEF writes: >> >> >> >> > On Feb 17, 10:33 am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: >> >> In article <47b7cedb$0$14031$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, >> >> JF Mezei writes: >> >> >> > Tad Winters wrote: >> >> >> >> Your best bet is to waste their time. Try these out: >> >> >> > How would they react if you were to start asking them questions as if >> >> > you were the one doing the survey ? >> >> >> > Don't even give them the opportunity to start asking their questions :-) >> >> > To Tad and JF quoted above: >> >> > Not all calls are done by a person! I used to (and still occasionally >> >> That has been illegal in the US for well over a decade. Thus the >> reason for the (in)famous Simpsons episode where Homer buys an >> automatic phone-caller cheap. > > Really? When I lived in Brooklyn I got automated phone calls from NYC > mayors. Are you sure? Not everyone actuwlly obeys the law. And political entities are probably the worst as they all think they are above the law anyway. More than a decade ago a federal law was passed that required the first contact to human-to-human. This could be nothing more than saying "hello" and pushing the play button, but it was required. It was in response to an incident where one of those automated calling machines was programmed for a block of addresses that turrned out to be the block assigned to a hospital PBX in Texas. It sequentially called every office and patients room in the hospital. It also tied up all the trunks into the PBX for the entire day preventing any other inbound or outbound calls. No one was amused and the government reacted by requiring the human-to-human contact supposedly so you could tell them they needed to stop to prevent another such incident. Of course, as is obvious, they don't care and this law is also not particularly well enforced. > >> >> > do) get calls with silence. I say hello, hello, and there is no one >> > there. For some calls, when I let my answering machine get it, the >> > result is a dial tone blasted on the speaker. In a few seconds it's >> > done and things are back to normal. I don't think your methods will be >> > very effective with these-type calls! >> >> >> You people don't place much value on your own time, do you? >> >> >> bill >> >> > To Bill: >> >> > I find it interesting that you find time to discuss it here! ;-) >> >> I get to pick the time when I post to USENET. Or maybe you haven't >> noticed that sometimes I am gone for days at a time. What I do with >> my time should be up to me, not some ass trying to sell me something >> I don't want. If I did, they wouldn't have to come looking for me. > > I *did* put in the ";-)". In the old days they came knocking at your > door. And there was no "do-not-knock list". > > And: I'm glad you give us your valuable time from time to time. Should there have been a smiley at the end of that line? :-) >> >> > Bill, how many telemarketing calls are you getting a day (before and >> > after signing up with the DNC list)? >> >> How many are acceptable? How many are too many? The DNC List promised >> an end to them. It has had no noticable effect on the nmber I get. > > Zero. One. I'm not familiar with any promises and so cannot comment. > I'm sorry it hasn't helped you. I don't know why it hasn't helped you. Probably because I live in a state with the best government money can buy. > > Hey, I find quite a few things in life "unacceptable", but significant > improvements are always welcome. You do what you can. Your right. I don't answer the phone when I am home. My wife and daughter know that if they want me they need to call my cell. My next house will very likely not have a landline phone. And if I have to have it because DSL os the only netwoprk option available I will probably not attach a phone to the line. Many people talk about "progress". Just like SPAM has done to email and viruses are rapidly doing to Web Services tele-marketers have taken a piece of that progress and made it totally worthless. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 2008 13:14:33 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: <61teloF217dnhU2@mid.individual.net> In article , Bob Willard writes: > AEF wrote: >> On Feb 17, 4:18 pm, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: >> >>>In article , >>> AEF writes: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>On Feb 17, 10:33 am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: >>>> >>>>>In article <47b7cedb$0$14031$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, >>>>> JF Mezei writes: >>> >>>>>>Tad Winters wrote: >>> >>>>>>>Your best bet is to waste their time. Try these out: >>> >>>>>>How would they react if you were to start asking them questions as if >>>>>>you were the one doing the survey ? >>> >>>>>>Don't even give them the opportunity to start asking their questions :-) >>> >>>>To Tad and JF quoted above: >>> >>>>Not all calls are done by a person! I used to (and still occasionally >>> >>>That has been illegal in the US for well over a decade. Thus the >>>reason for the (in)famous Simpsons episode where Homer buys an >>>automatic phone-caller cheap. >> >> >> Really? When I lived in Brooklyn I got automated phone calls from NYC >> mayors. Are you sure? > > Reverse 911 is alive and well, but AFAIK limited to government use. They don't call every number in the phone book. You gave them your number, and agreed to this "service" when you registered your kid for school. > In my town, Reverse 911 is used to notify parents on days when school > is closed or delayed. Yeah, they have even started that crap here at the University, but at least you have to opt in and give them the number. I won't do either. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 2008 07:15:12 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: In article , Tad Winters writes: > If I say hello and I don't immediately get a response, I hang up. I do this a lot, as it can take time for the automated calling system to connect you to a person when it decides you actually answered the phone. But it can be a problem sometimes. We need to get automated phone messages from the public schools and their system can be a little slow in starting up, too. But that's temporary, once we get the next announcement that we actually need I can go back to hanging up. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 2008 13:18:25 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: <61tet1F217dnhU3@mid.individual.net> In article <$apJn5T1ZmkT@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > In article <47b5a119$0$13991$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: >> >> The phone company was unwilling to give me the identity of the phone >> number that was shown in the caller ID. (and it was a proper number >> since something answered at the other end). > > I don't know if it's a national thing yet, or just state-wide. After > a bad call, you enter *69 before calling anything else and the phone > company stores the caller (not relying on the caller-id you can get) > for 24 hours. You have 24 hours to convince the authorities to go > to court and get a warrant for the data. I can't think of any place in the world where you could even get in to see a judge in 24 hours and I would doubt if you wanted a warrant for a tele-marketer, after he stopped laughing and got back up off the floor, he would ask you to: "please take your silly ass problem down the hall!" bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:46:42 GMT From: Tad Winters Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in news:JVPGFJlTGsMd@eisner.encompasserve.org: > In article , Tad > Winters writes: > >> If I say hello and I don't immediately get a response, I hang up. > > I do this a lot, as it can take time for the automated calling > system to connect you to a person when it decides you actually > answered the phone. I've noticed this and at times I hear the telemarketer jabbering with some co-worker in the background before they notice they need to pay attention to their phone. > But it can be a problem sometimes. We need to get automated > phone messages from the public schools and their system can be a > little slow in starting up, too. Our kids' school was opt-in and allowed both phone and/or email. We chose both. It seems to be very quick to respond. Of course, schools in western Oregon probably don't close as often for whether as in many places, I suspect, since our precipitation is more often just rain. (The kids have had one snow day this year and two days of 2 hours late, for the school that's about 300 feet higher than us.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:20:29 GMT From: Tad Winters Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: David J Dachtera wrote in news:47B86B94.982E7FA8@spam.comcast.net: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> [..snip..] >> Hmmm..... Let's see, they fake their phone number. won't tell you >> who they are and won't let you speak to a supervisor. How do you >> propose to prosecute them? > > Bill and I have exchanged some private e-mail on this. > > If you can make the case to law enforcement, there may be a way to > build a case against persistent DNC list offenders. > > I just posted to to my freeware area some DCL code I used back in > early 1994 to effect the procesution of some juveniles who were > committing telephone harassment. Creative use of VMS to assist law > enforcement, at the very least. The effort was successful. > > Look for phonecop.zip at http://www.djesys.com/freeware/vms/ > > David J Dachtera > DJE Systems > That reminds me of a script I wrote back in the late 80s for a PC communications program I used. Mine merely watched for the phone to stop ringing and then echoed the time. This just let me know the time someone had called, whether it was answered or not, since we had no answering machine. These days it would be interesting to use the caller ID, when available, to keep a permanent record of calls from various numbers, with date and time. After a few months, there may be some interesting calling patterns, and some may develop after a few years. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:22:09 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Phillips Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: On Feb 18, 7:18 am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > In article <$apJn5T1Z...@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > > > In article <47b5a119$0$13991$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: > > >> The phone company was unwilling to give me the identity of the phone > >> number that was shown in the caller ID. (and it was a proper number > >> since something answered at the other end). > > > I don't know if it's a national thing yet, or just state-wide. After > > a bad call, you enter *69 before calling anything else and the phone > > company stores the caller (not relying on the caller-id you can get) > > for 24 hours. You have 24 hours to convince the authorities to go > > to court and get a warrant for the data. > > I can't think of any place in the world where you could even get in to > see a judge in 24 hours and I would doubt if you wanted a warrant for > a tele-marketer, after he stopped laughing and got back up off the floor, > he would ask you to: "please take your silly ass problem down the hall!" > Unless you can find that judge who took the "I spilled hot coffee on myself while I was driving my car and it burned me" case. I don't know every detail of the law, but anyone with whom you do or have done business with is exempt from the DNC list, as are charities, political calls and governments. The DNC list has cut the solicitation calls I get by at least 90%. If I do answer a call and it's a solicitation from someone not in one of the exempt categories I ask them if this call is worth the $11,000 fine that they're subject to for violating the DNC. The new post-DNC list tactic it that they aren't soliciting anything, they're conducting a survey (which is also apparently exempt.) Usually, though, if the caller-ID doesn't display or I don't recognize the name or number, I let my machine answer. It depends on my mood and what I'm doing at the time. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:25:43 +0100 From: Wilm Boerhout Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: <47b9bfab$0$24514$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl> on 17-2-2008 22:18 Bill Gunshannon wrote... [snip] > I pay for my phone service, not them. One is too many. My next house > will probably not have a phone. I will rely on my cell and not give > the number out. You will find yourself in the same position as Alex G Bell was in before he invented the *second* telephone: not many incoming calls... -- Wilm Boerhout Zwolle, NL remove OLD PAINT from return address to reply ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 2008 17:52:52 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: <61tuvkF21bt11U1@mid.individual.net> In article , Doug Phillips writes: > On Feb 18, 7:18 am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: >> In article <$apJn5T1Z...@eisner.encompasserve.org>, >> koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >> >> > In article <47b5a119$0$13991$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: >> >> >> The phone company was unwilling to give me the identity of the phone >> >> number that was shown in the caller ID. (and it was a proper number >> >> since something answered at the other end). >> >> > I don't know if it's a national thing yet, or just state-wide. After >> > a bad call, you enter *69 before calling anything else and the phone >> > company stores the caller (not relying on the caller-id you can get) >> > for 24 hours. You have 24 hours to convince the authorities to go >> > to court and get a warrant for the data. >> >> I can't think of any place in the world where you could even get in to >> see a judge in 24 hours and I would doubt if you wanted a warrant for >> a tele-marketer, after he stopped laughing and got back up off the floor, >> he would ask you to: "please take your silly ass problem down the hall!" >> > > Unless you can find that judge who took the "I spilled hot coffee on > myself while I was driving my car and it burned me" case. Stupid doesn't mean fast. That case probably took years. Just like the "My CAT scan made me loose my psychic ability" case. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 2008 12:06:25 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: In article <61tegtF217dnhU1@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > > Not everyone actuwlly obeys the law. And political entities are probably > the worst as they all think they are above the law anyway. The politicians generally give themselves an out on such laws. Politicians, charities, and the governement can legally ignore the do not call list. They probably can ignore the no automated calling law. A lot of the automated callers get around the law by detecting whether a human has answered and then switching to a person on thier end as "first contact". They have algorithms to ignore answering machines, modems, faxes, unanswered calls, and such. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 2008 12:07:41 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: In article <61tet1F217dnhU3@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > > I can't think of any place in the world where you could even get in to > see a judge in 24 hours and I would doubt if you wanted a warrant for > a tele-marketer, after he stopped laughing and got back up off the floor, > he would ask you to: "please take your silly ass problem down the hall!" I can. This depends a lot on your local government. Maryland, being one of those "liberal" states, will act on these issues. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 2008 07:19:23 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: NFS and version numbers Message-ID: In article <47b5a95b$0$25394$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: > > > Has anyone found a way to make the NFS server on VMS behave as the FTP > server with the "TCPIP$FTP_NO_VERSION" = "1" where version numbers are > not supplied to remote clients, but the file system properly handles > them when files are being sent back to the server ? > > aka: a directory would only show the most recent version of a file > (without version number), and when you save it, it automatically creates > a new version but client is not aware of it, since it only asked for > "login.com" and is saving it as "login.com". This obviously depends on your stack and it's settings. I've had no trouble with using Multinet's NFS server in this fashion. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:22:36 -0600 From: "Craig A. Berry" Subject: Re: ODS5, /NAMES = AS_IS, LIBRARY, MMS v. me Message-ID: In article <08021314160378_2062A39A@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) wrote: > > Off the top of my head (probably needs more work specific to your > > case): > > > > .C.OBJ: > > $(CC) $(CFLAGS) a.c+$(MMS$SOURCE)+z.c/object=$(MMS$TARGET) > > > > Where a.c and z.c contain the needed #pragma entry and exit. > > Off the top of _my_ head, what good would a.c do which can't be done > with command-line options? And what good would z.c do if it follows all > the real code? I posted this yesterday, before any other replies had come through, but my nntp server appears to have declined the opportunity to to relay it to the rest of the world. Like Bob, I immediately thought of an MMS rule because that's something you can define once for the whole project. But my trick with parameters to the compiler was different, and was based on the fact that since the librarian depends on filename case to determine module name case, maybe discretion is the better part of valor and we should just give it what it wants like so: .C.OBJ: $(CC) $(CFLAGS) 'F$EDIT("$(MMS$SOURCE)","UPCASE")' As far as the compiler is concerned, all the source filenames would be upper case regardless of what the actually are on disk. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 06:00:29 -0600 (CST) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: ODS5, /NAMES = AS_IS, LIBRARY, MMS v. me Message-ID: <08021806002940_2062A39A@antinode.org> From: "Craig A. Berry" > [...] > .C.OBJ: > $(CC) $(CFLAGS) 'F$EDIT("$(MMS$SOURCE)","UPCASE")' > > As far as the compiler is concerned, all the source filenames would be > upper case regardless of what the actually are on disk. > [...] So, you apparently missed the part of the original complaint where: [...] ALP $ cc /names = as_is LOWER ! The file name, not the command, ALP $ cc /names = as_is upper ! determines the result, as seen below. ALP $ pipe anal /obje LOWER.OBJ | sear sys$input "module name" module name: "lower" [...] Or did you actually _try_ this and get the desired result? (Which seems unlikely.) Perhaps yours is easier to fool, but _my_ compiler can apparently see the actual file name on the disk. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:43:27 GMT From: "John E. Malmberg" Subject: Re: ODS5, /NAMES = AS_IS, LIBRARY, MMS v. me Message-ID: Steven M. Schweda wrote: > From: "Craig A. Berry" > >> [...] >> .C.OBJ: >> $(CC) $(CFLAGS) 'F$EDIT("$(MMS$SOURCE)","UPCASE")' >> >> As far as the compiler is concerned, all the source filenames would be >> upper case regardless of what the actually are on disk. >> [...] > > So, you apparently missed the part of the original complaint where: > > [...] > ALP $ cc /names = as_is LOWER ! The file name, not the command, > ALP $ cc /names = as_is upper ! determines the result, as seen below. > > ALP $ pipe anal /obje LOWER.OBJ | sear sys$input "module name" > module name: "lower" > [...] > > Or did you actually _try_ this and get the desired result? (Which seems > unlikely.) Perhaps yours is easier to fool, but _my_ compiler can > apparently see the actual file name on the disk. For GNV users, the fix for the AR (librarian wrapper) utility to handle the case properly should be in the 2.x kit from HP. If it is not there, or you are still on GNV 1.9, then the fix is in ftp://ftp.encompasserve.org/gnv patches directory. As I recall, only one application actually cared about the case. At this point, it is faster for me to build UNIX applications using the GNV tools and the generated UNIX makefiles than it is to try to maintain VMS .MMS files for them. -John wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 04:11:36 -0800 (PST) From: Pierre Subject: regex within a DCL procedure Message-ID: hi all, I would like to do some regex in a DCL procedure. the only tool I found to do so is Perl. did I missed another lighter tool ? TIA, Pierre. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 06:42:08 -0800 (PST) From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel Subject: Re: regex within a DCL procedure Message-ID: <42a1d581-3f50-4d8b-8c1a-05cd6fdca2e5@n58g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Feb 18, 7:11=A0am, Pierre wrote: > hi all, > > I would like to do some regex in a DCL procedure. the only tool I > found to do so is Perl. did I missed another lighter tool ? perl or (g)awk are my solutions of choice. I find that I tend to do the matching in the context of more manipulation which are actually better done in perl than DCL. For example when looking though a SHOW SYSTEM output, I migth want to pick up CPU times for groups of users and add them up, or substract the counters froma prior scan to display the difference in the time period. With the added work shifted to perl (awk), I find it not too heavy to activate on image (or 3!) anymore. With openVMS 8.3 the DCL search gives a bit more control ( / WlLD=3D[RELAXED,STRICT] and /KEY=3D(POS,SIZ) ) but that often not enough for me. And again, the matching is only half the job. The other half is working with the matched strings. Cheers, Hein. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:37:02 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: regex within a DCL procedure Message-ID: <47b9d047$0$90264$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Pierre wrote: > I would like to do some regex in a DCL procedure. the only tool I > found to do so is Perl. did I missed another lighter tool ? DCL does not do regex. Perl is an obvious choice. But other possibilities exist. One of them is Python. Arne ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.098 ************************