INFO-VAX Wed, 06 Feb 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 74 Contents: Apologies for off-topic post, I'm trying to contact VAXman Re: Apologies for off-topic post, I'm trying to contact VAXman equivalent of TUN/TAP devices on OpenVMS Re: Free for hobbyist use - 2 x AlphaServer 2000 (West Midlands, UK) UK)UK) Re: HP to close Nashua (ZKO) Re: HP to close Nashua (ZKO) Re: HP to close Nashua (ZKO) Re: HP to close Nashua (ZKO) Re: HP to close Nashua (ZKO) Re: Java on VMS Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Re: Remove String from file Re: Remove String from file Re: Remove String from file Re: Remove String from file Re: VT100 standards and EDT Zip 3.0g source kit is available. Re: Zip 3.0g source kit is available. Re: Zip 3.0g source kit is available. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:59:06 -0800 (PST) From: res0o7il@yahoo.com Subject: Apologies for off-topic post, I'm trying to contact VAXman Message-ID: <3c68aa5d-8a27-4659-862d-aae74dc31e6a@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com> Brian, My work, both Yahoo and my home email accounts can't email you. Some tell me I don't have permission to email you, others just say it's your mailserver's administration policy. You said drop you a line, but I'm afraid I can't. Do you have another, less paranoid email account I can use? My main account is bus0o7il AT icius DOT com if you'd prefer to respond offline. BTW, if there's any other old hands who'd like to get in touch, I'd love to hear from you. Shane ##### #-O-O-# # L # #===# ### ------------------------------ Date: 06 Feb 2008 18:40:55 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Apologies for off-topic post, I'm trying to contact VAXman Message-ID: <47a9ff37$0$15174$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <3c68aa5d-8a27-4659-862d-aae74dc31e6a@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, res0o7il@yahoo.com writes: >Brian, My work, both Yahoo and my home email accounts can't email you. >Some tell me I don't have permission to email you, others just say >it's your mailserver's administration policy. You said drop you a >line, but I'm afraid I can't. Do you have another, less paranoid email >account I can use? Sorry Shane. I've added your addresses, both of them, to the whitelist. Yahoo.com and most of the other sign-up services are blacklisted. I am just tired of all the SPAMs and other stupidity I receive from the people using those services. >My main account is bus0o7il AT icius DOT com if you'd prefer to >respond offline. > >BTW, if there's any other old hands who'd like to get in touch, I'd >love to hear from you. Well, my hands are getting older and now you've heard from them. ;) -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:06:07 +0100 From: JOUKJ Subject: equivalent of TUN/TAP devices on OpenVMS Message-ID: <46169$47a9a2af$82a13c9d$11255@news2.tudelft.nl> Hi all Does any one know a VMS equivalence or alternative for the TUN/TAP (tunneling ethernet) devices? Jouk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:28:10 +0000 From: "R.A.Omond" Subject: Re: Free for hobbyist use - 2 x AlphaServer 2000 (West Midlands, UK) UK)UK) Message-ID: Somebody whose name closely resembles mine wrote: > Following systems available for hobbyist use: > > 2 x AlphaServer 2000. I think one is a 5/300 and the other is a 4/275 > but don't know which is which as the doors are off both (the hinges are > missing). Don't know if they work as it's too much hard work to get the > machines to somewhere there's power, but I believe they worked last time > we tried them. I've left the CD-ROM, floppy drive and a SCSI card in > each (plus one also has a graphics card in it). Both have internal > StorageWorks disk shelves (8 slots in each). One freshly formatted RZ29 > (4.3 Gbytes) disk in each system (I could supply a VMS 8.3 Installation > CD if necessary... I don't have access to the systems, otherwise I'd > pre-install VMS). I also don't know how much memory there is in each > system, but I'd guess it's at least 64 Mbytes each. Suitable for > VMS, Tru64, Linux(?) or NetBSD(?). These systems have now been taken, and the new owner has promised to give them the Tender Loving Care that they so richly deserve :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 09:25:47 +0100 From: Johnny Billquist Subject: Re: HP to close Nashua (ZKO) Message-ID: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG skrev: > In article , Johnny Billquist writes: >> JF Mezei skrev: >>> Johnny Billquist wrote: >>> >>>> But I'm not saying that the collection isn't impressive, I'm just saying that >>>> it's not impressive enough to be a world wide landmark (yet). >>> >>> Nobody outside of the VMS community knows what "ZKO" is. It certaintly >>> isn't a world landmark. But inside the VMS community, ZKO is like Mecca. >>> It was a holy site to the VMS community where the VMS gods worked their >>> magic. >>> >>> >>> Similarly, Mr VAXman's cave isn't a world landmark, but to the >>> comp.os.vms community, it is a landmark. >> So why was it that several people didn't get that remark, even though they know >> what ZKO is? I'm simply questioning your claim. :-) > > Perhaps it's because they are newcomers or thay have not been following > c.o.v. for 10 years or more. Ok. I give up. Everybode knows you, or else they are a clueless newbie. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt@softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol ------------------------------ Date: 06 Feb 2008 12:20:32 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: HP to close Nashua (ZKO) Message-ID: <47a9a610$0$15167$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article , Johnny Billquist writes: >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG skrev: >>{...snip...} >> Perhaps it's because they are newcomers or thay have not been following >> c.o.v. for 10 years or more. > >Ok. I give up. Everybode knows you, or else they are a clueless newbie. I didn't mean that nor did I say that -- you did. Newsgroups generally attract 2 types of people. One is a type who comes to the group infrequently, or maybe even just once, to ask question. The other tends to be a long time associate because he/she feels some kinship in the focus of the group and/or with the members of said group. I have met, face to face, with a great many of the people who generally post in c.o.v. over the years via DECUS, VMS bootcamp, VMS field test meetings in Nashua, etc. I've even scheduled meetups with c.o.v.ers on international travels. Murphy (who I originally met almost two decades ago and who has even been in my home) made a reference that you didn't understand; I can appreciate that. I don't understand why you'd have even brought this up considering what I just wrote above. My comment was, simply, that you don't typically get to know the neighbors until you've moved into the neighborhood. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:50:57 +0100 From: Johnny Billquist Subject: Re: HP to close Nashua (ZKO) Message-ID: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG skrev: > Newsgroups generally attract 2 types of people. One is a type who comes > to the group infrequently, or maybe even just once, to ask question. The > other tends to be a long time associate because he/she feels some kinship > in the focus of the group and/or with the members of said group. I have > met, face to face, with a great many of the people who generally post in > c.o.v. over the years via DECUS, VMS bootcamp, VMS field test meetings in > Nashua, etc. I've even scheduled meetups with c.o.v.ers on international > travels. Hmm, I don't think I match either of those two groups. But probably more of the latter, if I really had to define myself. > Murphy (who I originally met almost two decades ago and who has even been > in my home) made a reference that you didn't understand; I can appreciate > that. I don't understand why you'd have even brought this up considering > what I just wrote above. It wasn't me who made the original comment on not understanding the reference. > My comment was, simply, that you don't typically get to know the neighbors > until you've moved into the neighborhood. True enough. But for people who aren't that close (physically), knowing where you live, and what you have stuffed there isn't exactly something that I'd expect them to know, even if they have been sitting here for quite a while. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt@softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol ------------------------------ Date: 6 Feb 2008 08:01:52 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: HP to close Nashua (ZKO) Message-ID: <6u44jaMX8EsJ@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , Johnny Billquist writes: > > Ok. I give up. Everybode knows you, or else they are a clueless newbie. > Hm, yes. That sounds about right. But then, the newbies don't know Carl, either. ------------------------------ Date: 06 Feb 2008 15:31:24 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: HP to close Nashua (ZKO) Message-ID: <47a9d2cc$0$15176$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <6u44jaMX8EsJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >In article , Johnny Billquist writes: >> >> Ok. I give up. Everybode knows you, or else they are a clueless newbie. >> > > Hm, yes. That sounds about right. But then, the newbies don't know > Carl, either. No, they probably won't save for the fact that Google has a fairly good archive of his 'contributions' here and elsewhere before his demise. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: 6 Feb 2008 08:00:07 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Java on VMS Message-ID: In article , CodeAmazon writes: > > This seems to suggest that something in the .jar that's responsible > for loading the class is failing to find what it wants -- or perhaps > the file is not getting retrieved? I tried a variety of methods of > locating the path to try to rule out the latter, and it doesn't seem > to match the error, but errors are not always as clear as one might > hope. > > Can anyone point me in a useful direction? Unless there's been a change since the last time I looked, the JRE on VMS does a file open for every single class you're using, even if multiple files in the same .jar or .zip are in use. You can run out of open file quota, or channelcnt (a sysgen parameter). ------------------------------ Date: 6 Feb 2008 07:50:32 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: In article , Rob Brown writes: > > Canadians also cannot vote in presidential elections and have no > representatives in the U.S. Congress, but have served in the U.S. > military. > > So perhaps one does not follow from the other. Like most countries, the US allows foreign nationals to serve in its armed forces. The oath taken by each person upon entering the military is sufficient to bind their service to U.S. interests in the eyes of the law. There are programs whereby such actions can provide a shortcut to U.S. citizenship. There are some foreign governments which prohibit thier citizens from serving in our military. And there may be other legal issues. A friend of mine, U.K. citizen was under the impression that he could not legally volunteer for service in the U.S. military, but as a permanent resident he could be drafted. I don't know what would stop him from volunteering (perhaps he was in error), but of course, he could toss out the draft order if he went back to the U.K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:43:59 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 005BECD6852573E7_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote on 02/06/2008 08:50:32 AM: > In article localdomain>, Rob Brown writes: > > > > Canadians also cannot vote in presidential elections and have no > > representatives in the U.S. Congress, but have served in the U.S. > > military. > > > > So perhaps one does not follow from the other. > > Like most countries, the US allows foreign nationals to serve in its > armed forces. The oath taken by each person upon entering the > military is sufficient to bind their service to U.S. interests in the > eyes of the law. > > There are programs whereby such actions can provide a shortcut to > U.S. citizenship. > > There are some foreign governments which prohibit thier citizens from > serving in our military. And there may be other legal issues. A > friend of mine, U.K. citizen was under the impression that he could > not legally volunteer for service in the U.S. military, but as a > permanent resident > he could be drafted. he could have been drafted. (There is not active U.S. draft, as you know.) > I don't know what would stop > him from volunteering (perhaps he was in error), but of course, he > could toss out the draft order if he went back to the U.K. > --=_alternative 005BECD6852573E7_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"



koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote on 02/06/2008 08:50:32 AM:

> In article <alpine.LRH.1.00.0802051240080.6929@localhost.
> localdomain>, Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> writes:
> >
> > Canadians also cannot vote in presidential elections and have no
> > representatives in the U.S. Congress, but have served in the U.S.
> > military.
> >
> > So perhaps one does not follow from the other.
>
>    Like most countries, the US allows foreign nationals to serve in its
>    armed forces.  The oath taken by each person upon entering the
>    military is sufficient to bind their service to U.S. interests in the
>    eyes of the law.
>
>    There are programs whereby such actions can provide a shortcut to
>    U.S. citizenship.
>
>    There are some foreign governments which prohibit thier citizens from
>    serving in our military.  And there may be other legal issues.  A
>    friend of mine, U.K. citizen was under the impression that he could
>    not legally volunteer for service in the U.S. military, but as a
>    permanent resident
>    he could be drafted.

he could have been drafted.  (There is not active U.S. draft, as you know.)  

>    I don't know what would stop
>    him from volunteering (perhaps he was in error), but of course, he
>    could toss out the draft order if he went back to the U.K.
>
--=_alternative 005BECD6852573E7_=-- ------------------------------ Date: 6 Feb 2008 03:26:59 -0600 From: burley+news@encompasserve.org (Graham Burley) Subject: Re: Remove String from file Message-ID: <+WeSXnAQy2je@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= writes: >> $ search a.a is/wild=strict/match=nor/out=b.b >> > > That will remove the line with "this" also, if I'm not wrong... > Using /WILD=STRICT means it'll only match whole records. $ HELP SEARCH/WILDCARD_MATCHING ------------------------------ Date: 6 Feb 2008 07:56:20 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Remove String from file Message-ID: In article , Ruger writes: > Hi, > > I was after a way in which I could remove some specific text from a > file without using an editor i.e via a lexical or dcl script. For > example if I have a file with the contents below : Basic DCL programming. You can find it in lots of places on the 'net. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 09:45:27 +0000 From: "R.A.Omond" Subject: Re: Remove String from file Message-ID: Graham Burley wrote: > In article , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= writes: > >>>$ search a.a is/wild=strict/match=nor/out=b.b >>> >> >>That will remove the line with "this" also, if I'm not wrong... > > Using /WILD=STRICT means it'll only match whole records. > > $ HELP SEARCH/WILDCARD_MATCHING Note that the "=STRICT" and "=RELAXED" extras were added in VMS 8.3; they did not exist previous to that. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:19:16 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Remove String from file Message-ID: R.A.Omond wrote: > Graham Burley wrote: > >> In article , >> =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= writes: >> >>>> $ search a.a is/wild=strict/match=nor/out=b.b >>>> >>> >>> That will remove the line with "this" also, if I'm not wrong... >> >> Using /WILD=STRICT means it'll only match whole records. >> >> $ HELP SEARCH/WILDCARD_MATCHING > > Note that the "=STRICT" and "=RELAXED" extras were added in VMS 8.3; > they did not exist previous to that. Well, another reason to upgrade... :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 09:29:22 +0100 From: Johnny Billquist Subject: Re: VT100 standards and EDT Message-ID: John Santos skrev: > VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> In article , >> moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes: >> >>> Antonio Carlini writes: >>> >>> >>>> That doesn't mean there aren't undocumented sequences (I'm sure >>>> there are _some_ for the VT100), and there may even be seuqences >>>> which do "things" but were never intended to do anything useful >>>> (they just happened to slip through the parser). But if EDT uses >>>> them then it must use them pretty rarely. >>> >>> There are at least two 'accidental' VT100 escape sequences that I >>> know of. >>> Neither is useful to EDT. >>> >>> One is an annoyance, it turns the ^G beep tone on and leaves it on. The >>> other sets the keyboard auto-repeat rate to a very high rate, and has an >>> interesting side effect I've heard call 'piano mode'. If the >>> keyclick is >>> on, pressing the keys produces tones from the keyclick, and different >>> keys >>> produce different tones. You may be able to "play" simple music on it, >>> although most are buzzes. >>> >>> I don't know what either escape sequence is, other than the constant >>> tone >>> one is related to the turn on LED ones, same except for the numeric >>> portion. It turns on the beep instead of a LED. I don't know if the >>> corresponding "off" code actually works. >>> >>> I think there are one or more "lock up terminal" accidental codes as >>> well. >>> >>> There is rumored to be an undocumented load answerback buffer escape >>> sequence for a VT220. This could be evil, load the answerback, then >>> send a control-E to remotely "type" the command. >> >> >> Documented. DECLANS. P1v answerbackmessage \ >> > > Most (all??) terminals supporting this "feature" also had a setup option > to lock the answerback message. This was precisely to prevent some evil > cracker from loading "delete [...]*.*;*" or some other nefarious command > into your answerback message and then invoking it by sending a ctrl/E. What I don't get is the possible security problem here. Ok. Program loads a string into the terminal and invokes it. What's the difference of that to instead execute the command directly itself? Placing it there as a kind of sleeping bomb that accidentally go off at another time, if accidentally invoked by someone else I could understand, but not the scenario described above. Being able to lock the answer back message is a good thing for the simple reason that some people put things there that they wanted to stay there, and not be overwritten by software. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt@softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:17:40 -0600 (CST) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Zip 3.0g source kit is available. Message-ID: <08020610174080_2062A39A@antinode.org> A source kit for Zip 3.0g (pre-release, "BETA") should be available at the usual (working again) FTP server: ftp://ftp.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/beta/zip30g.zip and also soon (but not yet, as this is written) from the SourceForge.net server: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=118012 Zip 3.0g is considered a release candidate for Zip 3.0, so if you have any interest in how these things work, complaining now may be more effective than complaining later. If no significant problems are found and/or reported in the next few weeks, I'd expect this kit to be re-titled "3.0", and released (at long last). Mr. Goatley has threatened to make VMS binary kits available, as usual, too, when that happens. UnZip 6.0d (also pre-release, "BETA") is still cooking, but there's some hope for seeing it before we're all dead, and the official 6.0 release could follow that. In the mean time, a 6.0c source kit is still available in the usual places, and if you have any serious problems with that, I can probably slip you something pre-pre-release from the 6.0dXX family, under the table. In case you've slept through the (extended) development period, the main reasons to care (other than some typical bug fixes) are: - Large-file (>2GB) support - Better ODS5 support - Optional bzip2 compression - Symbolic link support ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 12:06:11 -0500 From: "Ken Robinson" Subject: Re: Zip 3.0g source kit is available. Message-ID: <7dd80f60802060906w1a72a46x8bf2b1ec5202d977@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 6, 2008 11:17 AM, Steven M. Schweda wrote: > A source kit for Zip 3.0g (pre-release, "BETA") should be available > at the usual (working again) FTP server: > > ftp://ftp.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/beta/zip30g.zip > I tried to get it using smartFTP and got the following error: [12:04:04] CWD /pub/infozip/beta/zip30g.zip [12:04:04] 550 You are not permitted to access this directory. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 17:25:50 -0000 From: "Richard Brodie" Subject: Re: Zip 3.0g source kit is available. Message-ID: "Ken Robinson" wrote in message news:7dd80f60802060906w1a72a46x8bf2b1ec5202d977@mail.gmail.com... > I tried to get it using smartFTP and got the following error: > > [12:04:04] CWD /pub/infozip/beta/zip30g.zip Try a different client. CWD to a file isn't likely to work. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.074 ************************