INFO-VAX Tue, 01 Jan 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 2 Contents: M I`5,Perse cution ' bu gging a nd counter-sur veillance M'I.5'Persecu tion , Bern ard L evin exp resses hi s views M,I-5 Persecut ion Capita l R adio - Chri s Tarr ant M,I-5'Persecutio n , Berna rd Lev in expre sses h is vie ws M-I'5`Persec ution ` who kno ws about it ? M`I'5.Persecuti on - cost of the oper ation M`I,5.Persecu tion . t he BBC , tele vision an d ra dio Re: Request for improvement to MAIL RE: Samba Gains Legal Access to Microsoft Network File Protocols Re: Samba Gains Legal Access to Microsoft Network File Protocols US Army buying Macs Re: US Army buying Macs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 08:52:57 +0000 (UTC) From: fevimemef@gmail.com Subject: M I`5,Perse cution ' bu gging a nd counter-sur veillance Message-ID: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=. MI5: bugging and counter-surveillance -= -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- PO: >Did you ever look for the bugs. in your house ? If not, why not ? I mean if PO: >I thought that was happening to. me, I'd search the place from top to bottom, PO: >I mean I live there I would know if. anything was out of place. If I was PO: >really suspicious, I would call in one of those. bug detection teams which PO: >have those machines that pick up the transmitted. radio waves. This PO: >reminds me of. BUGS, that new programme on BBC1 on That's exactly what we did. We went to a competent, professional. detective agency in London, paid them over 400 quid to. debug our house. They used scanner devices which go to over 1 GHz. and would pick up any nearby transmitter in that range, they also checked the phones and. found nothing... but if the tap was at. the exchange, then they wouldn't find anything, would. they? CS: >Doesn't this suggest to you that there are, in fact, no bugs to. be found? You can assume that they've done this sort. of thing to other people in more "serious" cases, where they would know the. targets would suspect the presence of electronic surveillance.. So they will have developed techniques and devices which are not readily detectable either. by visual inspection or by electronic means. What those techniques might be, I couldn't. guess. In. this case, the existence of bugging devices was clear from the beginning, and they "rubbed it in" with what was said by the. boy on the coach. It was almost as if. they wanted counter-surveillance people to be called in,. who they knew would fail to detect the bugging devices, causing loss of credibility to the other things I would. have to say relating to the harassment. I did all the things someone in my situation. would do to try to find the bugs. In addition to. calling in professional help using electronic counter-surveillance, I. made a close visual inspection of electrical equipment, plus any points where. audio or video surveillance devices might have been concealed. Of course, I. found nothing. Normal surveillance "mini-cameras" are quite noticeable and require. visible supporting circuitry. It seems to me the. best place to put a small video surveillance device would be additional to a piece. of electronic equipment such as a TV or video. It would be necessary. to physically break in to a property to fit such. a device. 2783 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 12:13:16 +0000 (UTC) From: fmivev@gmail.com Subject: M'I.5'Persecu tion , Bern ard L evin exp resses hi s views Message-ID: The article of which part is reproduced below was penned by Bernard. Levin for the Features section of the Times on 21. September 1991. To my mind, it described the situation at the time. and in particular a recent meeting with a friend, during which I for the first time. admitted to someone other than my GP that I had been subjected to a conspiracy of harassment over. the previous. year and a half. >There is. a madman running loose about London, called David Campbell; I have >no reason to believe that he is. violent, but he should certainly be >approached with caution. You may know him by. the curious glitter in his >eyes and a persistent trembling of his hands; if that. does not suffice, you >will find him attempting. to thrust no fewer than 48 books into your arms, >all hardbacks, with a promise that, if. you should return to the same >meeting-place next year, he will heave another. 80 at you. > >If, by now,. the police have arrived and are keeping a close watch on him, >you may. feel sufficiently emboldened to examine the books. The jackets are >a model of uncluttered typography, elegantly and simply laid. out; there is >an unobtrusive. colophon of a rising sun, probably not picked at random. >Gaining confidence - the lunatic is smiling by now,. and the policemen, who >know about. such things, have significantly removed their helmets - you >could do worse. than take the jacket off the first book in the pile. The >only word possible to. describe the binding is sumptuous; real cloth in a >glorious shade. of dark green, with the title and author in black and gold >on the. spine. > >Look at it. more closely; your eyes do not deceive you - it truly does have >real top-bands and tail-bands, in yellow, and,. for good measure, a silk >marker ribbon in a lighter green. The paper is cream-wove. and acid-free, >and the book is. sewn, not glued. > >Throughout. the encounter, I should have mentioned, our loony has been >chattering away, although what he is trying to. say is almost impossible to >understand; after a. time, however, he becomes sufficiently coherent to make >clear that he is trying to sell the books to. you. Well, now, such quality >in bookmaking today can only be for collectors' limited. editions at a >fearsome price - #30,. #40, #50? > >No, no, he says, the glitter more. powerful than ever and the trembling of >his hands rapidly spreading throughout his. entire body; no, no - the books >are priced variously at #7, #8 or #9, with the top. price #12. > >At. this, the policemen understandably put their helmets back on; one of >them draws his. truncheon and the other can be heard summoning >reinforcements on. his walkie-talkie. The madman bursts into tears, and >swears it is. all true. > >And it. is. > >David Campbell has acquired the entire rights to. the whole of the >Everyman's Library,. which died a lingering and shameful death a decade or >so ago, and he proposes. to start it all over again - 48 volumes this >September and 80 more next year, in editions I have described, at. the >prices specified. He proposes to launch his amazing. venture simultaneously >in Britain and the United States, with the. massive firepower of Random >Century at his. back in this country, and the dashing cavalry of Knopf >across the water, and no one who loves literature and courage will. forbear >to. cheer. At the time this article was written I. had believed for some time that columnists in the Times and other. journalists had been making references to my situation. Nothing unusual about this. you may think, plenty of people have the same sort of ideas and obviously the. papers aren't writing about them, so why. should my beliefs not be as false as those of others? What makes this article so extraordinary. is that three or four days immediately preceding its publication, I had a meeting with a. friend, during the course of which. we discussed the media persecution, and in particular that by Times columnists. It seemed to me, reading. the article by Levin in Saturday’s paper, that he was describing in some. detail his "artist’s impression" of. that meeting. Most telling are the final sentences, when he writes, "The madman bursts into tears,. and swears it is all true. And it is." Although I did not "burst into tears" (he seems. to be using a bit of poetic licence and exaggerating). I did try hard to convince my friend that it was all true; and I am able to concur with Mr. Levin, because,. of course, it is. At the beginning of the piece Levin reveals a fear of being. attacked by the "irrational" subject of his story, saying "I have no reason to. believe that he is violent, but he. should certainly be approached with caution". This goes back to the xenophobic. propaganda of "defence" against a "threat" which was seen at the very beginning of the. harassment. The impression of a "madman running. loose" who needs to be controlled through an agency which assigns to itself the mantle of the "police" is also one. which had been expressed. elsewhere. In the final paragraph of this extract,. his reference to Everyman’s Library as having "died a. lingering and shameful death a decade or so ago" shows clearly what sort of conclusion they wish to their campaign. They want. a permanent solution, and as they are prevented from achieving. that solution directly, they waste significant resources. on methods which have been repeatedly shown to be ineffective for such. a purpose. 5213 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 09:19:28 +0000 (UTC) From: feivfiev@gmail.com Subject: M,I-5 Persecut ion Capita l R adio - Chri s Tarr ant Message-ID: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-= -=. Capital Radio - Chris Tarrant -= -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-= Capital Radio DJs have. been "in on it" from the start. One of the first things I heard in the summer of 1990 was. from a Capital DJ who said, "If he listens to Capital. then he can't be all bad" (supportive, you see. We're not. bastards). Much of what came over the radio in 1990 is now so far away the precise details have. been obliterated by time. No diary was kept of the details, and although. archives if they exist may give pointers, the ambiguity of what broadcasters said would. leave that open to re-interpretation. In spring 1994, Chris Tarrant on his Capital morning show made. an aside to someone else in the. studio, about a person he didn't identify. He said, "You know this. bloke? He says we're trying to kill him. We should be done for attempted. manslaughter". That mirrored something I had said a day or. two before. What Tarrant said was understood by the staff member in the studio he was saying it to;. they said, "Oh no, don't say that" to Tarrant. If. any archives exist of the morning show (probably unlikely) then it. could be found there; what he said was so out of. context that he would be very hard put to find an explanation. A couple of days later, someone at the site where I was. working repeated the remark although in. a different way; they said there had been people in a computer room when automatic. fire extinguishers went off and those people were "thinking of. suing for attempted manslaughter". Finally, this isn't confined to the established radio stations. In. 1990 after I had. listened to a pirate radio station in South London for about half an hour, there was an audible phone call in. the background, followed by total silence for a few moments, then shrieks. of laughter. "So what are we supposed to say now? Deadly torture? He's going to talk to us now,. isn't he?", which meant that they could hear what. I would say in my room. 5213 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 12:56:54 +0000 (UTC) From: mivfm@gmail.com Subject: M,I-5'Persecutio n , Berna rd Lev in expre sses h is vie ws Message-ID: The article of which part is. reproduced below was penned by Bernard Levin for the Features. section of the Times on 21 September 1991. To my mind, it described the situation at. the time and in particular a recent meeting with a friend, during which I for the. first time admitted to someone other than my GP that I had been. subjected to a conspiracy of harassment over the previous year and. a half. >There is a madman. running loose about London, called David Campbell; I have >no. reason to believe that he is violent, but he should certainly be >approached with caution. You may know. him by the curious glitter in his >eyes and a persistent. trembling of his hands; if that does not suffice, you >will find him attempting to thrust no fewer. than 48 books into your arms, >all. hardbacks, with a promise that, if you should return to the same >meeting-place next year, he. will heave another 80 at you. > >If, by now, the police have arrived and are keeping a. close watch on him, >you may feel sufficiently emboldened. to examine the books. The jackets are >a model of uncluttered. typography, elegantly and simply laid out; there is >an unobtrusive colophon of a rising sun, probably not. picked at random. >Gaining confidence - the lunatic is smiling by now, and the. policemen, who >know about such things,. have significantly removed their helmets - you >could do worse than take the jacket off the. first book in the pile. The >only word possible to describe the binding is sumptuous; real. cloth in a >glorious shade of dark green, with the title and author in black and. gold >on the. spine. > >Look at. it more closely; your eyes do not deceive you - it truly does have >real top-bands and tail-bands, in. yellow, and, for good measure, a silk >marker ribbon in a. lighter green. The paper is cream-wove and acid-free, >and the book is sewn, not. glued. > >Throughout. the encounter, I should have mentioned, our loony has been >chattering away,. although what he is trying to say is almost impossible to >understand; after a. time, however, he becomes sufficiently coherent to make >clear that he is trying to sell the books to you. Well, now, such. quality >in bookmaking today can only be for collectors' limited editions. at a >fearsome price. - #30, #40, #50? > >No, no,. he says, the glitter more powerful than ever and the trembling of >his hands rapidly spreading throughout his entire body; no, no - the. books >are priced variously at #7,. #8 or #9, with the top price #12. > >At this, the policemen understandably put their helmets back on;. one of >them draws his truncheon and. the other can be heard summoning >reinforcements on his walkie-talkie.. The madman bursts into tears, and >swears. it is all true. > >And it. is. > >David Campbell has acquired the entire rights to the. whole of the >Everyman's Library, which died a lingering and shameful death a decade. or >so ago, and he proposes to start it all over again. - 48 volumes this >September and. 80 more next year, in editions I have described, at the >prices specified. He proposes to launch his amazing. venture simultaneously >in Britain and the United States, with. the massive firepower of Random >Century at his back in. this country, and the dashing cavalry of Knopf >across the water, and no one who loves literature and. courage will forbear >to. cheer. At the time this article was written I had believed for some time. that columnists in the Times and other journalists had been. making references to my situation.. Nothing unusual about this you may think, plenty of people have the same sort of ideas and. obviously the papers aren't writing about them, so why should my beliefs. not be as false as those of others? What makes this. article so extraordinary is that three or four days immediately preceding. its publication, I had a meeting with a friend, during the. course of which we discussed the media persecution, and in particular that by. Times columnists. It seemed to me, reading the article by. Levin in Saturday’s paper, that he was describing in some detail his "artist’s impression" of. that meeting. Most telling are the final sentences, when he. writes, "The madman bursts into tears, and swears it is all true. And it is.". Although I did not "burst into tears" (he seems to be using a bit of poetic licence. and exaggerating) I did try hard to convince my friend that it was all. true; and I am able to concur with Mr Levin, because, of course,. it is. At the beginning of the piece Levin reveals a fear of being attacked by. the "irrational". subject of his story, saying "I have no reason to believe that he is violent,. but he should certainly be approached with caution". This goes back to. the xenophobic propaganda of "defence" against a "threat" which was seen at the very beginning of. the harassment. The impression of a "madman. running loose" who needs to be controlled through an agency which assigns to itself. the mantle of the "police" is also one which had been expressed. elsewhere. In the final paragraph of this extract, his reference. to Everyman’s Library as having "died a lingering and shameful death a decade or. so ago" shows clearly what sort of conclusion they. wish to their campaign. They want a permanent solution, and. as they are prevented from achieving that solution directly, they waste significant resources on. methods which have been repeatedly shown to be ineffective. for such a purpose. 353 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 11:42:02 +0000 (UTC) From: efvemie@gmail.com Subject: M-I'5`Persec ution ` who kno ws about it ? Message-ID: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -= who. knows about it? =- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Many people know, both in the establishment and. media, and among the general public. Despite an absence. of its target from the UK for more than two years, the echoes. of paranoia can still be heard loud and clear from across the water. When it started in 1990, the only. people who knew were those in BBC television who. were spying on my home, and a few radio broadcasters. There were a few cases of public harassment, but. very little compared to the situation that developed a couple of. years later. The list today includes BBC TV staff (newsreaders such as Martyn. Lewis, Michael Buerk, Nicholas Witchell), people from radio stations such. as Chris Tarrant of Capital and Radio 1 DJs, people in. the print media, but also many people in the general public. All united. in a conspiracy which breaks the laws which the UK does have regarding harassment,. and all completely uncaring for any semblance of. decency or elementary respect for individual. rights. The British police (obviously) do. know the nature of the harassment and in all probability the identity of those behind it. Some. time ago I made a complaint to my local police. station in London, without positive result. The UK police are failing in their duty to see the law. enforced in not checking. the abuse. 2783 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 09:45:26 +0000 (UTC) From: eieimvme@gmail.com Subject: M`I'5.Persecuti on - cost of the oper ation Message-ID: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -= MI5: cost of the. operation -= -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Here's what a couple of other people on Usenet (uk.misc) had to. say regarding the. cost of running such an operation... PO: >Have some sense, grow. up and smell reality. What you are talking about PO: >would take loads of planning, tens of thousands. of pounds and lots of PO: >people involved in the planning, execution and maintenance. of it. You PO: >must have a very high opinion of yourself. to think you are worth it. PM: >But why? And why you? Do. you realize how much it would cost to keep PM: >one person under continuous surveillance for. five years? Think about PM: >all the man/hours. Say they _just_ allocated a. two man team and a PM:. >supervisor. OK., Supervisor's salary, say, #30,000 a year. Two men, PM: >#20,000 a year each. But they'd need to work in shifts. -- so it would PM:. >be six men at #20,000 (which with on-costs would work out at more like PM: >#30,000 to the. employer.) PM:. > PM: >So, we're talking #30,000 x 6. #180,000.. plus say, #40,000 for the PM:. >supervisor. #220,000. Then you've got the hardware involved. And PM: >any transcription that needs doing.. You don't think the 'Big Boss' PM:. >would listen to hours and hours of tapes, do you. PM:. > PM: >So, all in all,. you couldn't actually do the job for much less than PM: >a quarter million a year. Over five. years. What are you doing that makes PM: >it worth the while of the state to spend over one and a. quarter million PM: >on. you? Those are pretty much the sort of calculations that went through. my head once I stopped to consider what it must be costing them. to run this operation. The partial answer is,. there have been periods when the intensity has been greater, and times when little has. happened. In fact, for much of 1993 and the. first half of 1994, very little happened. Although I don't think that was for reasons of. money - if they can tap into the taxpayer they're not going to be short of resources,. are they? The more. complete answer is in the enormity of what they're doing. Relative to the cost to British pride of. seeing their country humiliated for the persecution. of their own citizens, isn't is worth the cost of four or five people to try. to bring things to a close in the manner they would wish? To the government a million or two is quite honestly nothing -. if they can convince themselves of the necessity of what. they're doing, resources will not be the limiting. factor. 7643 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 08:25:44 +0000 (UTC) From: femim@gmail.com Subject: M`I,5.Persecu tion . t he BBC , tele vision an d ra dio Message-ID: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-= -= the BBC,. television and radio -= -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-= The first incident in June 1990 was when a BBC newsreader made what. seemed to be a. reaction to something which had happened in my home, and out of context of what they were reading. My first reaction. was disbelief; nothing of the sort had ever happened before, the. idea that such a thing could occur had not crossed. my mind, yet there was no doubt of what had just taken place. My disbelief eroded as this recurred time after. time. Besides the news, offenders included shows such as Crimewatch (!), Newsnight,. and "entertainment" shows. There seems. to be very little moral understanding among the people who make these. programmes; they just assume they will never be caught, so they carry on without a thought for the illegality. or amorality of what they. do. The only time I ever heard a word raised in doubt was by Paxman being interviewed by. someone else (I think by Clive Anderson) back in. 1990; referring to the "watching" he said it troubled him,. and when asked by the host what you could do about it, replied "Well, you could. just switch it off" (meaning the surveillance monitor in the studio). He clearly. didn't let his doubts stand in the way of continued surreptitious. spying from his own or other people's shows, though. Now you're convinced this is. a troll, aren't you? This story has been the subject of much debate on the uk.* Usenet newsgroups for over a year,. and some readers believe it to be an invention. (it has even been suggested that a group of psychology. students are responsible!), others think it symptomatic of a derangement of. the author, and a few give it credence. Quite a few people do know part. or all of the story already, so this text will fill in the. gaps in their knowledge. For the rest, what may persuade you of the third possibility is that some. of the incidents detailed are checkable against any archives of radio and. TV programmes that exist; that the incidents involve. named people (even if those hiding in the shadows have not made. their identity or affiliations evident), and those people may be persuaded to come out with the truth; and that. the campaign of harassment is continuing today both. in the UK and on the American continent, in. a none-too-secret fashion; by its nature the significant risk of exposure increases. with time. On several occasions people said to my face that harassment. from the TV was happening. On the first day I worked in Oxford, I spent. the evening in the local pub with the company's technical director Ian,. and Phil, another employee. Ian. made a few references to me and said to Phil, as if in an aside, "Is he the. bloke who's been on TV?" to which Phil replied, "Yes, I think. so". I made a number of efforts to find the bugs,. without success; last year we employed professional counter-surveillance people to scan for. bugs (see later) again without result. In autumn 1990 I disposed of. my TV and watched virtually no television. for the next three years. But harassment from TV stations has gone on for over six years. and continues to this day. This is something that many. people obviously know is happening; yet the TV staff have the morality of paedophiles,. that because they're getting away with it they. feel no wrong. Other people who were involved in the abuse in 1990. were DJs on BBC radio stations, notably. disc jockeys from Radio 1 and other stations (see the following section). Again, since they don't have sense in the first. place they can't be expect to have the moral sense not to be part. of criminal harassment. 353 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 09:40:15 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: Request for improvement to MAIL Message-ID: In article , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= writes: > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > > >> But not very relevant since very few uses VMS MAIL as their primary > >> email tool. > > > > I still do. When I run into attachments I need, I write them to a file, > > decode them and then display them or whatever. > > > > My guess is that no one *professional* does that. > And since it's the *professional* users that pays for > VMS, well... Actually, I use VMS MAIL at work as well. Of course, not every wish of all paying customers is implemented. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:18:12 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Samba Gains Legal Access to Microsoft Network File Protocols Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca] > Sent: December 31, 2007 2:10 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Samba Gains Legal Access to Microsoft Network File > Protocols > > Main, Kerry wrote: > > > If you had actually read the post, you would have noticed my comment > was > > to JF's comments about Cerner. > > A succesful OS vendor will have no problems bragging about all the wins > it is making in attracting new customers, applications and ISVs. A > succesful OS vendor wants to grow and will have no problems marketing > their OS. A succesful OS vendor won't go to a key ISV and tell them to > drop support for their platform. > > Palmer did that for the SWIFT software, but he told SWIFT that VMS had > no future and that they should build their next generation software on > something else than VMS. DEC really did expect to retain those > customers > by selling windows servers/support. They haven't. > [snip..] JF - not that I am or ever was a fan of Palmer, but the SWIFT decision had little to do with Digital and/or Palmer. Remember that SWIFT cut AIX at the same time. SWIFT (and in particular a couple of individuals) were into consolidating t= o fewer OS's and at that time Solaris was viewed as the answer to world hunge= r. Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 11:48:55 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Samba Gains Legal Access to Microsoft Network File Protocols Message-ID: <477a6f44$0$15748$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Main, Kerry wrote: > Remember that SWIFT cut AIX at the same time. Wrong. SWIFT Terminal Services (the software arm of SWIFT) had cut other platforms for its "official" software package and had signed a deal with Digital in early 1990s or late 1980s to have VMS as its one stragetic platform. Other vendors had SWIFT-approved software packages, but they were not written nor supported by SWIFT. The SWIFT package was called ST400 and was generally viewed has having more features since it supported all message types and SWIFT garanteed that ST400 patches would be available in time for any network changes (usually twice a year when new/change message types would be put into production). SWIFT Terminal Services also had a special agreement with Digital for extra support/sales support (since those are considered mission critical for banks). When the time came to create SWIFT-II, SWIFT went to Digital and was told to not count on VMS. ST400 was maintained until all its functions were available on the new SWIFT-II platform. Most customers went to the Solaris version instead of Windows due to better quality, more features available and better support. In terms of disaster recovery, it was a step down from VMS, but customers had no choice since VMS was no longer supported by SWIFT. Had Palmer told SWIFT that VMS had a bright future and that Digital would start marketing it again etc etc, SWIFT might have stuck with VMS because it offered much better mission critical features. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 10:53:57 -0500 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" Subject: US Army buying Macs Message-ID: <477A1BC5.14023.CCC8F41@infovax.stanq.com> Another opportunity for VMS. HP, ARE YOU LISTENING?? ------- Forwarded message follows ------- RISKS-LIST: Risks-Forum Digest Sunday 30 December 2007 Volume 24 : Issue 93 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:21:05 +0100 From: Peter Houppermans Subject: Army to use Macs to prevent hacking "[..] the military is quietly working to integrate Macintosh computers into its systems to make them harder to hack. That's because fewer attacks have been designed to infiltrate Mac computers, and adding more Macs to the military's computer mix makes it tougher to destabilize a group of military computers with a single attack [..]" http://www.forbes.com/home/technology/2007/12/20/apple-army-hackers-tech-security- cx_ag_1221army.html http://preview.tinyurl.com/29xelf ------- End of forwarded message ---------Stan Quayle Quayle Consulting Inc. ---------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ Toll free: 1-888-I-LUV-VAX 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH 43147 USA stan-at-stanq-dot-com http://www.stanq.com/charon-vax.html "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 11:58:45 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: US Army buying Macs Message-ID: <01c5bd1c$0$11748$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Stanley F. Quayle wrote: > Another opportunity for VMS. HP, ARE YOU LISTENING?? Why would HP see this as an opportunity for VMS ? For HP, new opportunies are routed to the HP-UX , Linux or Wintel departments. Besides, when even the VMS group has convinced itself that VMS shouldn't be used for small and desktop systems and that it is only good for large back-room servers, why would HP even consider VMS for opportunities that need "desktop to data centre" ????? Just accept it. It is pointless to try to battle HP and change the mids of the people such as Stallards and Livermore who undoubtedly have large influence on Hurd. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.002 ************************