INFO-VAX Mon, 10 Dec 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 675 Contents: Re: -SYSTEM-F-EXQUOTA, process quota exceeded Re: -SYSTEM-F-EXQUOTA, process quota exceeded Mosaic (was:Re: OT: One Laptop per Child) Re: OT: One Laptop per Child Re: OT: One Laptop per Child Re: OT: One Laptop per Child The sales drone actually said "VMS" RE: The sales drone actually said "VMS" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:15:53 +1100 From: Jim Duff <spam.this@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: -SYSTEM-F-EXQUOTA, process quota exceeded Message-ID: <475c6919$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au> Alexander Horn wrote: > Hi VMS-Community, > > I'm new in the World of VMS :-) > > I've compiled and installed David L. Jones's VMS-Port of SSH-1.5, > but I got a "-SYSTEM-F-EXQUOTA, process quota exceeded" in the > SSH_SERVER.LOG -- Strange is, when I start in interactive or TEST-mode, > the bootstrap works fine: > > $ @ssh_server_startup test > main thread: SSH-1.5-OSU_1.5alpha4 server initializing, 8-DEC-2007 17:27:57.72 > main thread: Process initiator startup status: 1 '' > main thread: rsa_engine startup status: 1 > main thread: Sent key file name to key generator: 1 > main thread: Key generator startup status: 1 pid: 00000234 > main thread: server initialized, port: 22, connection limit: 10 > main thread: New current server context, slot 0 at 8-DEC-2007 17:28:09.70 > [...] > > I can log-in etc. without any problems! Why the SSH Server does not work > in non-interactive (DETACHed) Mode? > > Any suggestions? :-) > > My settings of SYSTEM in SYSUAF.DAT: > > [...] > Maxjobs: 0 Fillm: 300 Bytlm: 500000 > Maxacctjobs: 0 Shrfillm: 0 Pbytlm: 0 > Maxdetach: 0 BIOlm: 200 JTquota: 4096 > Prclm: 40 DIOlm: 200 WSdef: 131072 > Prio: 4 ASTlm: 200 WSquo: 532000 > Queprio: 0 TQElm: 30 WSextent: 131072 > CPU: (none) Enqlm: 4000 Pgflquo: 16777216 > [...] > > My MODPARAMS.DAT: > > SCSNODE="SHARKY" > SCSSYSTEMID=1025 > VAXCLUSTER=0 > ADD_GBLPAGES=10000 > ADD_GBLSECTIONS=100 > ADD_NPAGEDYN=800000 > ADD_NPAGEVIR=800000 > MIN_SPTREQ=6000 > MIN_INTSTKPAGES=12 > MIN_MAXBUF=16384 > > I really need help ;-) > > Best regards, > -Vaxima > As someone in another forum pointed out to you the other day, the quotas for your SYSTEM username look a little weird, particularly in the working set area. I don't happen to have a VAX around to tell you the defaults, but I would suggest setting WSDEF to 1024, WSQUO to 4096, and WSEXTENT to the same value as the SYSGEN parameter WSMAX. Use this as a starting point and adjust WSDEF and WSQUO upwards if you experience excessive page faulting. Additionally, PGFLQUO is rather large. At a guess, I'd set it to about 150000 or thereabouts, depending on the size of your pagefile(s). As has been stated elsethread, the quotas that a detached process gets do not come from the UAF. They are either specified by the creating process, or they default to the SYSGEN quotas PQL_*. Having seen the exact error you are experiencing in the other forum, I'd hazard a guess that you need to adjust the PQL FILLM quotas up. If it works under your SYSTEM account interactively, why not set the PQL quotas to the same as in your SYSTEM account? These are dynamic parameters, so no need to reboot. Don't forget to add them to your MODPARAMS.DAT file. HTH Jim. -- www.eight-cubed.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 17:32:03 -0500 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> Subject: Re: -SYSTEM-F-EXQUOTA, process quota exceeded Message-ID: <a485f$475c6ce2$cef8887a$25165@TEKSAVVY.COM> Alexander Horn wrote: > I can log-in etc. without any problems! Why the SSH Server does not work > in non-interactive (DETACHed) Mode? The word "detached" here is important. The way a process is created makes a huge difference with its quotas. By default, a detached process takes its quotas not from the SYSUAF, but from the SYSGEN PQL* parameters. You can specify quotas in the RUN command itself, or you can use RUN/DETACHED/AUTHORIZE/UIC= which will/should read the quotas from the SYSUAF for that UIC. Note that for some long standaing never-explained reason, RUN/DETACHED/UIC=xxxxx won't actually fully run under that UIC, it will still primarily be under the user that issued the RUN command. So if you want SYSTEM to be able to start the SSH software running under the SSH_ACCOUNT , there are a couple of ways to do it: SUBMIT/USER=SSH_ACCOUNT SSH_STARTUP.COM (with SSH_STARTUP doing the RUN/DETACHED) or use decnet task OPEN/READ/WRITE temp 0"SSH_ACCOUNT"::"0=SSH_STARTUP" WAIT 00:00:05 CLOSE TEMP ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 19:39:52 -0500 From: bradhamilton <bradhamilton@comcast.net> Subject: Mosaic (was:Re: OT: One Laptop per Child) Message-ID: <475C8AD8.9030700@comcast.net> George Cook wrote: > In article <fjggcb$2cm$01$1@news.t-online.com>, Michael Kraemer <M.Kraemer@gsi.de> writes: [...] >> Well, "official" Mosaic stopped at 2.7-sth IIRC. >> This version is unable to render most of the stuff >> which is around in the WWW today. > > I am curious why you think "official" would be a requirement? Indeed, Mosaic runs on VMS, and renders many WWW sites: Your VMS version appears to be V8.3 running on a Digital Personal WorkStation . The TCP/IP software is TCP/IP Services (or UCX compatible). Your Mosaic executable was generated using Motif 1.6 and was built on 5-SEP-2007 19:33:35.16 with image Ident 4.2 using DEC C. It was linked with HP SSL. Thanks, George :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:03:54 -0800 (PST) From: AEF <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OT: One Laptop per Child Message-ID: <7c16e6f4-35f6-44d8-8503-5765d580b029@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com> On Dec 9, 6:28 am, hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig--- remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote: > In article <475B1EEA.9020...@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" > > <rgilber...@comcast.net> writes: > > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > > > In article <d214$475a6b54$cef8887a$29...@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei > > > <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca> writes: > > > >>Right now, Linux is being used for the "One Laptop per Child" projects > > >>around the world. > > > > Whenever I hear about this nonsense, I wish all of these self-appointed > > > gurus would read Cliff Stoll. > > > Do you mean "The Cuckoo's Egg"? A great book, but how is it relevant? > > That's an excellent book as well, but I was referring to "High-Tech > Heretic: Reflections of a Computer Contrarian". Stoll makes a good case > for keeping computers out of the classroom (and, by extension, out of > the hands of third-world children). I won't repeat his arguments here, > since they literally fill a whole book. Highly recommended. > > Of course, many Luddites have made superficially similar demands. The > interesting thing, of course, is that Stoll has spent his entire life > working with computers. > > > (I'm not familiar with "One Laptop per Child".) > > The idea stems from this self-appointed guru Mr. Digital himself, the > guy with the Greek name from MIT. His idea is that all children in the > world should have a laptop. I'm not saying we shouldn't do that since > other things are more important, I'm saying that even if the children > had everything else, they don't need a laptop (and neither do well-to-do > children in first-world countries). Did you see the piece about this on "60 Minutes"? I heard a broadcast of it on the radio and the point was that with this project, attendance at schools in the Third World is way, way up because of this laptop project. I well understand that much learning must be done without computers, but at least this is getting the kids to go to school. So I think the point is not that the kids have a laptop -- the point is that the laptop gets the kids to go to school. > > The "One Laptop per Child" project is developing a cheap laptop (with a > crank to recharge the battery etc) intended for distribution to the > children of the world. AEF ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 15:17:14 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> Subject: Re: OT: One Laptop per Child Message-ID: <475c4d44$0$90265$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > In article <13ce4$475b2683$cef8887a$5430@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei > <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes: >> Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: >>> Whenever I hear about this nonsense, I wish all of these self-appointed >>> gurus would read Cliff Stoll. >>> >> So what do those OLPC laptops run then ? > > Some sort of Linux. Fedora based. Arne ------------------------------ Date: 9 Dec 07 19:11:46 EST From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) Subject: Re: OT: One Laptop per Child Message-ID: <1vt4E$qvhcAh@wvnvms> In article <fjggcb$2cm$01$1@news.t-online.com>, Michael Kraemer <M.Kraemer@gsi.de> writes: > JF Mezei schrieb: > >> Just imagine if many years ago, VMS management had listened to Mr >> Dachtera and ported VMS to the then 32 bit 8086. > > To be effective today, this decision would have to be made > about 20 years ago. I doubt that many people in this > group (incl. Mr Dachtera) would have advocated to ditch > VAX, stop alpha, and port to x86 around 1990. > x86 became viable only towards the mid-90s, > after intel managed to put RISC inside and, > together with M$, shovelled their stuff into > children's and living rooms. From their > it crept back into the offices. > >> Today, they could load >> VMS on those laptops with space to spare simply because VMS engineers >> have always been fairly mature, efficient and frugal in system resources >> needed to run their software. It would have paid off big time if VMS had >> been selected to be the OS of choice for those laptops all around the >> world. (put in Mosaic, update MAIL and DECWRITE and you're set). > > Well, "official" Mosaic stopped at 2.7-sth IIRC. > This version is unable to render most of the stuff > which is around in the WWW today. I am curious why you think "official" would be a requirement? George Cook WVNET ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:55:34 GMT From: "jo jimbo" <jojimbo@sbcglobal.net> Subject: The sales drone actually said "VMS" Message-ID: <a807j.28701$JD.10462@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net> well, here I am settling into a new gig after 8+ years at the E*company. So I got invited to hear the monthly HP update, this time about blades and such. Amongst the blizzard of model numbers, I was stunned to hear that one (maybe more) ran "openvms". And the slide said it too! I ran into the guy in the hallway later and thanked him for it. Not that there is any likelyhood of seeing any VMS at this place, but fun nonetheless. Regards, JoJo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:14:49 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> Subject: RE: The sales drone actually said "VMS" Message-ID: <C72D63EB292C9E49AED23F705C61957BDEE133E741@G1W0487.americas.hpqcorp.net> > -----Original Message----- > From: jo jimbo [mailto:jojimbo@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: December 9, 2007 7:56 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: The sales drone actually said "VMS" > > well, here I am settling into a new gig after 8+ years at the > E*company. So > I got invited to hear the monthly HP update, this time about blades and > such. Amongst the blizzard of model numbers, I was stunned to hear > that one > (maybe more) ran "openvms". And the slide said it too! I ran into > the guy > in the hallway later and thanked him for it. > > Not that there is any likelyhood of seeing any VMS at this place, but > fun > nonetheless. > > Regards, JoJo > Check out the web sites at: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/30th/index.html (HP CEO on OpenVMS video = testimonial) Also, nice video testimonial for OpenVMS blades: http://hp.feedroom.com/?fr_story=3Df155197e00e8a915606b1eedddd2008298621394= &rf=3Dbm "Acision uses HP OpenVMS running on HP Integrity servers & HP Blades to hel= p deliver more than half of the world's text & multimedia messages & serve three quarters of all videomail users." [this is company that used OpenVMS to pass text voting for American Idol.) Also, you mentioned financial market, so this might be of interest: http://hp.feedroom.com/?fr_story=3D368c17070e17b8c2deb78e1d3a2ac62aa70650d8= &rf=3Dbm "See how Deutsche B=F6rse, the largest financial exchange organization in t= he world, uses HP OpenVMS running on HP Integrity servers to keep their electronic ma= rkets up and running." :-) Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.675 ************************