INFO-VAX Wed, 05 Dec 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 666 Contents: Re: 20+ year old encrypted source code Re: And the XP1000 winner is... Re: DECnet on Mac OS-X ? Re: DECnet on Mac OS-X ? Re: DECnet on Mac OS-X ? Re: DECnet on Mac OS-X ? Re: DECnet on Mac OS-X ? Re: DECnet on Mac OS-X ? Re: DECnet on Mac OS-X ? Re: DECnet on Mac OS-X ? Re: DECnet on Mac OS-X ? Re: DECnet on Mac OS-X ? Re: DECnet on Mac OS-X ? Re: FW: Passing large number of arguments to a program Re: FW: Passing large number of arguments to a program Re: FW: Passing large number of arguments to a program Re: FW: Passing large number of arguments to a program Re: FW: Passing large number of arguments to a program Re: FW: Passing large number of arguments to a program Re: Itanium / Integrity question Re: Itanium / Integrity question Re: Job in Canada Locating access violation in a link map Re: Locating access violation in a link map SEO Expert Services Re: Singapore Server Rescue Re: Singapore Server Rescue Trying to Locate HP SSL Version 1.2 on CDROM Re: Trying to Locate HP SSL Version 1.2 on CDROM Re: Trying to Locate HP SSL Version 1.2 on CDROM Unix for VMS guys Re: Unix for VMS guys Re: Unix for VMS guys Re: Unix for VMS guys Re: Unix for VMS guys Re: Unix for VMS guys Re: Unix for VMS guys Re: Unix for VMS guys Re: Unix for VMS guys Re: Unix for VMS guys Re: Unix for VMS guys Re: validate username/password against UAF using java ? Re: VMS like search utility for Windows Re: VMS like search utility for Windows Re: VMS like search utility for Windows Re: VMS like search utility for Windows Re: VMS like search utility for Windows Re: Walk a mile in their thongs Re: Web Based Disk Usage Display Re: Web Based Disk Usage Display ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 5 Dec 2007 09:28:47 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: 20+ year old encrypted source code Message-ID: <+2sYg8VS1uhI@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <04e34ed2-5f6d-486b-a38f-684cb2729954@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, FrankS writes: > On Nov 29, 11:36 pm, s...@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) wrote: >> How pure? A DUMP of the first block might say something to someone. >> DUMP /BYTE /BLOCK = END = 1 > > Very pure. > > There is no discernable plain-text signature at either the beginning > or end of the file. Just a guess, but because of the time era, I'd try converting several bytes as if they were EBCDIC. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:47:45 GMT From: John Santos Subject: Re: And the XP1000 winner is... Message-ID: In article <13lauvbiteje761@news.supernews.com>, dturner@no-spam- islandco.com says... > > gwilliams@cfa.harvard.edu > Gareth Williams > > > > Congrats, Gareth! However, to bad if something were to happen to the UPS truck as it makes the turn from Grove St onto Huron Ave (one block from here.) I'm just sayin'.. -- John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:06:12 -0000 From: "John Wallace" Subject: Re: DECnet on Mac OS-X ? Message-ID: <13lcmvus6kqtv95@corp.supernews.com> "JF Mezei" wrote in message news:9ef67$4756105c$cef8887a$21598@TEKSAVVY.COM... > Anyone know if it is possible to have some task/task DECnet on OS-X so > that a unix script on a MAC could access information from a VMS node ? You don't say whether you've looked at the "DECnet for Linux" project at http://linux-decnet.sourceforge.net/ which says "What you get is DECnet phase IV end-node and routing capabilities on your Linux box you can "set host" to an OpenVMS system, copy files to and from OpenVMS systems, run remote tasks and test the connections.". It's not an instant 100% fit but depending on how desperate you to do it with DECnet (rather than use something IP-based on the MAC which has a matching part on the VMS side, which might work "out of the box") it might be better than nothing. Good luck, John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 03:56:35 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: DECnet on Mac OS-X ? Message-ID: <4ec93$475667c4$cef8887a$11314@TEKSAVVY.COM> John Wallace wrote: > You don't say whether you've looked at the "DECnet for Linux" project at > http://linux-decnet.sourceforge.net/ which says "What you get is DECnet > phase IV end-node and routing capabilities on your Linux box you can > "set host" to an OpenVMS system, copy files to and from OpenVMS systems, run > remote tasks and test the connections.". This is very preliminary for me. I'll eventually move the web server over to a mac instance and at that point, having it still be able to get some VMS tasks done would be nice. But it could be that I won't even bother having any MAC-VMS relationships for run-time. If I can't get NFS to work reliably, then the switchover will be more sudden/brutal as oppposed to a more phased appraoch with 2 systems interoperating together. It is quite a learning curve to learn os-x behind the scenes. de-learning DCL/ALL-IN-1 and learning stuff like php, unix shell scripts etc. And I'll need to get comfortable with some small database system to replace the vms indexed files. What is sure is that I won't bother porting what is left on VAX to Alpha, it will go to the MAC (or possibly Linux). ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2007 06:34:49 -0600 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: DECnet on Mac OS-X ? Message-ID: In article <13lcmvus6kqtv95@corp.supernews.com>, "John Wallace" writes: > > "JF Mezei" wrote in message > news:9ef67$4756105c$cef8887a$21598@TEKSAVVY.COM... >> Anyone know if it is possible to have some task/task DECnet on OS-X so >> that a unix script on a MAC could access information from a VMS node ? > > You don't say whether you've looked at the "DECnet for Linux" project at > http://linux-decnet.sourceforge.net/ which says "What you get is DECnet > phase IV end-node and routing capabilities on your Linux box you can > "set host" to an OpenVMS system, copy files to and from OpenVMS systems, run > remote tasks and test the connections.". I was told by someone from DEC (sic) that the more recent PowerPC Macintoshes had lost the (required by the standard) ability to set the Ethernet address. That is supposedly why the Thursby product (the basis for Pathworks for Macintosh) is no longer viable. Has this changed for Intel Macs ? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:08:22 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: DECnet on Mac OS-X ? Message-ID: In article , Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: > > >In article <13lcmvus6kqtv95@corp.supernews.com>, "John Wallace" writes: >> >> "JF Mezei" wrote in message >> news:9ef67$4756105c$cef8887a$21598@TEKSAVVY.COM... >>> Anyone know if it is possible to have some task/task DECnet on OS-X so >>> that a unix script on a MAC could access information from a VMS node ? >> >> You don't say whether you've looked at the "DECnet for Linux" project at >> http://linux-decnet.sourceforge.net/ which says "What you get is DECnet >> phase IV end-node and routing capabilities on your Linux box you can >> "set host" to an OpenVMS system, copy files to and from OpenVMS systems, run >> remote tasks and test the connections.". > >I was told by someone from DEC (sic) that the more recent PowerPC >Macintoshes had lost the (required by the standard) ability to set >the Ethernet address. That is supposedly why the Thursby product >(the basis for Pathworks for Macintosh) is no longer viable. News to me. Try this: % sudo ifconfig en# ether aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff en# is the network interface. Check before you set. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:15:01 +0100 From: usenet@hoffart.de (Goetz Hoffart) Subject: Re: DECnet on Mac OS-X ? Message-ID: <1i8nmbu.1ido8tn1wntf23N%usenet@hoffart.de> Larry Kilgallen wrote: > I was told by someone from DEC (sic) that the more recent PowerPC > Macintoshes had lost the (required by the standard) ability to set > the Ethernet address. Never heard this and all my PPC-Macs (PowerPC 604ev, G3, G4, G5) can do this. Which model should be affected? Grüße Götz -- http://www.knubbelmac.de/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 06:35:40 -0800 (PST) From: johnwallace4@gmail.com Subject: Re: DECnet on Mac OS-X ? Message-ID: <1108cd92-d2e4-4bfe-a64e-07695b9954f6@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> On Dec 5, 2:15 pm, use...@hoffart.de (Goetz Hoffart) wrote: > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > > I was told by someone from DEC (sic) that the more recent PowerPC > > Macintoshes had lost the (required by the standard) ability to set > > the Ethernet address. > > Never heard this and all my PPC-Macs (PowerPC 604ev, G3, G4, G5) can do > this. Which model should be affected? > > Gr=FC=DFe > G=F6tz > --http://www.knubbelmac.de/ Lots of NICs can *change* their MAC address, from one address to a different one. But for DECnet, don't they need to be able to work with *multiple* MAC addresses: the original one, as would be used by IP, and the new one, as traditionally added by DECnet Phase IV? They need to be able to receive on multiple addresses (which you can usually fake with promiscuous mode and driver fiddling if hardware doesn't want to play nice). Do they also need to be able to *send* from multiple MAC addresses without reconfiguration? If they can't have multiple send addresses, is that a problem for DECnet? ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2007 14:42:57 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: DECnet on Mac OS-X ? Message-ID: <5rnrnhF15r5p5U2@mid.individual.net> In article <1108cd92-d2e4-4bfe-a64e-07695b9954f6@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, johnwallace4@gmail.com writes: > On Dec 5, 2:15 pm, use...@hoffart.de (Goetz Hoffart) wrote: >> Larry Kilgallen wrote: >> > I was told by someone from DEC (sic) that the more recent PowerPC >> > Macintoshes had lost the (required by the standard) ability to set >> > the Ethernet address. >> >> Never heard this and all my PPC-Macs (PowerPC 604ev, G3, G4, G5) can do >> this. Which model should be affected? >> >> Grüße >> Götz >> --http://www.knubbelmac.de/ > Lots of NICs can *change* their MAC address, from one address to a > different one. > But for DECnet, don't they need to be able to work with *multiple* MAC > addresses: the original one, as would be used by IP, and the new one, > as traditionally added by DECnet Phase IV? > They need to be able to receive on multiple addresses (which you can > usually fake with promiscuous mode and driver fiddling if hardware > doesn't want to play nice). Do they also need to be able to *send* > from multiple MAC addresses without reconfiguration? If they can't > have multiple send addresses, is that a problem for DECnet? I can't think of any reason why they could not use the modified Ethernet address for the IP stack. IT really doesn't care what the MAC address is. You just need to set oyur DECNet MAC address first, I would imagine. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:26:14 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: DECnet on Mac OS-X ? Message-ID: <4756D126.40707@comcast.net> johnwallace4@gmail.com wrote: > On Dec 5, 2:15 pm, use...@hoffart.de (Goetz Hoffart) wrote: > >>Larry Kilgallen wrote: >> >>>I was told by someone from DEC (sic) that the more recent PowerPC >>>Macintoshes had lost the (required by the standard) ability to set >>>the Ethernet address. >> >>Never heard this and all my PPC-Macs (PowerPC 604ev, G3, G4, G5) can do >>this. Which model should be affected? >> >>Grüße >>Götz >>--http://www.knubbelmac.de/ > > > Lots of NICs can *change* their MAC address, from one address to a > different one. > > But for DECnet, don't they need to be able to work with *multiple* MAC > addresses: the original one, as would be used by IP, and the new one, > as traditionally added by DECnet Phase IV? > No, you start DECnet first and then TCP/IP. TCP/IP then uses the same MAC address as DECnet. > They need to be able to receive on multiple addresses (which you can > usually fake with promiscuous mode and driver fiddling if hardware > doesn't want to play nice). Do they also need to be able to *send* > from multiple MAC addresses without reconfiguration? If they can't > have multiple send addresses, is that a problem for DECnet? No. See above. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:31:23 +0000 (UTC) From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: Re: DECnet on Mac OS-X ? Message-ID: In article , Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: >I was told by someone from DEC (sic) that the more recent PowerPC >Macintoshes had lost the (required by the standard) ability to set >the Ethernet address. That is supposedly why the Thursby product >(the basis for Pathworks for Macintosh) is no longer viable. The problem is a licensing one. There are quite a few companies involved in the Pathworks for Macintosh software. In addition, through the merger from DEC to Compaq and then to HP the knowledge "who is/was responsible for what" somehow disappeared... The attempts to get the sources released to the public domain were unsuccessfull :-( (mainly because of Apple). Regards, Christoph Gartmann -- Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-464 Fax: -452 Immunbiologie Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de D-79011 Freiburg, Germany http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2007 12:18:44 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: DECnet on Mac OS-X ? Message-ID: In article <9ef67$4756105c$cef8887a$21598@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: > Anyone know if it is possible to have some task/task DECnet on OS-X so > that a unix script on a MAC could access information from a VMS node ? Of course it's possible. At least three implementations of DECnet Phase IV were done for various UNIX platofmrs and one of them could run be ported to OS X, if it hasn't been done already. Or you could setup DECnet Phase V on the VMS node and look for an ISO/OSI stack for OS X (probably harder to find). You could even use IP instead of DECnet. But you almost certainly will have to write some application to get the data for you. UNIX scripting languages don't generally know networks. Most implementations of DECnet don't extend into scripting. Some scripting languages have TCP/IP hooks, and of course there are DECnet hooks in DCL, but I wouldn't rush out to find a DCL port just to do this. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2007 12:21:08 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: DECnet on Mac OS-X ? Message-ID: In article <1108cd92-d2e4-4bfe-a64e-07695b9954f6@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, johnwallace4@gmail.com writes: > But for DECnet, don't they need to be able to work with *multiple* MAC > addresses: the original one, as would be used by IP, and the new one, > as traditionally added by DECnet Phase IV? TCP/IP has no problem using the MAC address set by DECnet. On some implementations you need to start the DECnet stack first as TCP/IP may not be able to deal with changing the MAC address after it starts. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2007 10:30:09 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: FW: Passing large number of arguments to a program Message-ID: In article <4754B0E2.6060703@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > > You are too kind! I'd fire the boob who wrote the program that > required several hundred arguments! You'ld have to fire just about everyone that ever wrote a UNIX utility. Remember in UNIX shells, the shell expands the wildcards. So if you have 200 files in a directory and enter "program *", then that program sees 200 arguments. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:51:31 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: FW: Passing large number of arguments to a program Message-ID: <4756D713.9060904@comcast.net> Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <4754B0E2.6060703@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > >>You are too kind! I'd fire the boob who wrote the program that >>required several hundred arguments! > > > You'ld have to fire just about everyone that ever wrote a UNIX > utility. Small loss! ;-) It's a big help to have some understanding of the O/S (s) that you are writing for. How many times, back in the 1980s and early 1990s did we hear from some Unix type who wondered why his program ran like a dog on VMS? The problem frequently turned out to be some outrageous abuse of what is good programming practice on VMS. We'd see people doing bizarre things like putting 10,000 twenty-seven byte files in one directory. . . . ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2007 17:28:58 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: FW: Passing large number of arguments to a program Message-ID: <5ro5epF15iprdU1@mid.individual.net> In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > In article <4754B0E2.6060703@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: >> >> You are too kind! I'd fire the boob who wrote the program that >> required several hundred arguments! > > You'ld have to fire just about everyone that ever wrote a UNIX > utility. Remember in UNIX shells, the shell expands the wildcards. > So if you have 200 files in a directory and enter "program *", then > that program sees 200 arguments. Unix has finite limits too. From /usr/include/errno.h #define E2BIG 7 /* Argument list too long */ No OS that I am aware of can deal with an infinite number of anything!! Not even VMS. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2007 17:31:12 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: FW: Passing large number of arguments to a program Message-ID: <5ro5j0F15iprdU2@mid.individual.net> In article <4756D713.9060904@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > Bob Koehler wrote: >> In article <4754B0E2.6060703@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: >> >>>You are too kind! I'd fire the boob who wrote the program that >>>required several hundred arguments! >> >> >> You'ld have to fire just about everyone that ever wrote a UNIX >> utility. > > Small loss! ;-) > > It's a big help to have some understanding of the O/S (s) that you are > writing for. > > How many times, back in the 1980s and early 1990s did we hear from some > Unix type who wondered why his program ran like a dog on VMS? The > problem frequently turned out to be some outrageous abuse of what is > good programming practice on VMS. Or we could turn it around and just admit that this was caused by a VMS shortcoming compared to Unix!! Like the following!! > We'd see people doing bizarre things > like putting 10,000 twenty-seven byte files in one directory. . . . We all know the other OS that has a real problem with too many files in one directrory, now, don't we?? bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2007 12:27:16 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: FW: Passing large number of arguments to a program Message-ID: In article <5ro5epF15iprdU1@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > > #define E2BIG 7 /* Argument list too long */ Thus xargs becomes your friend if you have to deal with UNIX. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2007 18:45:13 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: FW: Passing large number of arguments to a program Message-ID: <5ro9tpF157920U1@mid.individual.net> In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > In article <5ro5epF15iprdU1@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >> >> #define E2BIG 7 /* Argument list too long */ > > Thus xargs becomes your friend if you have to deal with UNIX. I didn't say you couldn't deal with large numbers of arguments. I just said that Unix, like VMS and every other OS, has finite limits. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2007 10:16:04 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Itanium / Integrity question Message-ID: <65jEb7YI8O6Y@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <4750BEF1.1020604@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > I don't see why you couldn't! Sharing a system disk could be > problematic but if you have N disks, N different operating systems > shouldn't be a problem. I believe that one of my former employers had a > dual boot Alpha, VMS and True64. IIRC, you could set up an Alpha to boot VMS, Tru64, or Windows, but VMS had to have its own disk and the other two had to respect each others partitions. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:20:59 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Itanium / Integrity question Message-ID: In article <65jEb7YI8O6Y@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >In article <4750BEF1.1020604@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: >> I don't see why you couldn't! Sharing a system disk could be >> problematic but if you have N disks, N different operating systems >> shouldn't be a problem. I believe that one of my former employers had a >> dual boot Alpha, VMS and True64. > > IIRC, you could set up an Alpha to boot VMS, Tru64, or Windows, but and various flavours of Linux and BSD. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University > VMS had to have its own disk and the other two had to respect > each others partitions. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:02:56 -0500 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Re: Job in Canada Message-ID: <13ldpqjbng04s41@news.supernews.com> GOt the info yesterday morning and posted it tout de suite DT -- David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404 T: 877-6364332 x201 Intl: 001 912 447 6622 E: dturner@islandco.com F: 912 201 0402 W: http://www.islandco.com The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary, and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from all computers. "David J Dachtera" wrote in message news:47561F97.C05359C@spam.comcast.net... > "David Turner, Island Computers" wrote: >> >> From what some have told me, you may be wasting your time >> Sorry for the posting -, just thought I was helping > > As always, "it depends". How "fresh" was the info you received? > > It's possible that the person hired a year ago didn't work out (I've > worked with a few "prizes" in my day!). > > David J Dachtera > DJE Systems ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 10:30:00 -0800 (PST) From: tadamsmar Subject: Locating access violation in a link map Message-ID: <0424d335-4a64-4264-b665-92e647984c87@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com> I had an access violation in some code put into production. We can't reproduce it. I can make a link map of the executable. But I was wondering if it is possible to relate the virtual address or the program counter identified in the access violation to the link map in order to learn more about the location of the access violation. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 10:36:54 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gezelter Subject: Re: Locating access violation in a link map Message-ID: On Dec 5, 1:30 pm, tadamsmar wrote: > I had an access violation in some code put into production. We can't > reproduce it. > > I can make a link map of the executable. But I was wondering if it is > possible to relate > the virtual address or the program counter identified in the access > violation to the link map in order to learn more about the location of > the access violation. tadamsmar, In a word, yes. I have done this many times for clients, and a couple of times for myself when an error seemed, at first glance, to be inexplicable.. You will need the LINK map, and you will also need the /MACHINE_CODE listings of the relevant module(s) to identify the precise point of failure. A note of caution, tracking these can be a challenge if the code has been compiled with optimization. - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 01:24:51 -0800 (PST) From: t7dgbnak Subject: SEO Expert Services Message-ID: <32a96eac-c0cd-4e53-bbd5-65f47225e752@e1g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> I am so glad that I found Atomic SEO they are the only reason that my online wine shop is still in business so yeah I would definitely use them http://www.atomicsearchengineoptimization.com There is a link to see there site. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2007 10:22:55 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Singapore Server Rescue Message-ID: In article , Michael Kraemer writes: > Lee K. Gleason schrieb: > > leaving your malicious mindset uncommented, you should at least > consider the fact that nowadays a UNIX machine is not much > different from a VMS machine, on the hardware side. > In fact it has been this way since the introduction of the alpha. No, I think its been this way ever since Berkley ported UNIX to a VAX. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:27:50 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Singapore Server Rescue Message-ID: In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >In article , Michael Kraemer writes: >> Lee K. Gleason schrieb: >> >> leaving your malicious mindset uncommented, you should at least >> consider the fact that nowadays a UNIX machine is not much >> different from a VMS machine, on the hardware side. >> In fact it has been this way since the introduction of the alpha. > > No, I think its been this way ever since Berkley ported UNIX to > a VAX. > And of course before VMS a Unix machine's hardware was the same as the hardware for other DEC operating systems since Unix was developed on Digital's PDP series of computers. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 11:22:50 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Trying to Locate HP SSL Version 1.2 on CDROM Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0059FB34852573A8_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I need to Locate HP SSL Version 1.2 on CDROM. I have the Distribution CD's and This version was released about OpenVMS Alpha V7.2.2 time. It is a UNIX port and was available as a separate install kit, I am told. (It's incorporated in V8.3!) I do not know what it would be called or on which CD it lives. HP has been too vague so far. Only V1.1-8 and V1.3 are available online now at the SSL homepage. --=_alternative 0059FB34852573A8_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
I need to Locate HP SSL Version 1.2 on CDROM.

I have the Distribution CD's and This version was released about OpenVMS Alpha V7.2.2 time.
It is a UNIX port and was available as a separate install kit, I am told. (It's incorporated in V8.3!)
I do not know what it would be called or on which CD it lives.
HP has been too vague so far.

Only V1.1-8 and V1.3 are available online now at the SSL homepage.

--=_alternative 0059FB34852573A8_=-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:04:14 -0500 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Re: Trying to Locate HP SSL Version 1.2 on CDROM Message-ID: <13ldpt1a9lh035e@news.supernews.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_022F_01C8373F.5672F1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a whole V7.2-1 distro in the cardboard folder you can have if = nec. Free but you pay for the shipping DT --=20 David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404 T: 877-6364332 x201 Intl: 001 912 447 6622 E: dturner@islandco.com F: 912 201 0402 W: http://www.islandco.com The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to = which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary, and/or = privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other = use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by = persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If = you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the = material from all computers.=20 wrote in message = news:OF90F65F64.0B27F569-ON852573A8.00597BEC-852573A8.0059FB36@metso.com.= .. I need to Locate HP SSL Version 1.2 on CDROM.=20 I have the Distribution CD's and This version was released about = OpenVMS Alpha V7.2.2 time.=20 It is a UNIX port and was available as a separate install kit, I am = told. (It's incorporated in V8.3!)=20 I do not know what it would be called or on which CD it lives.=20 HP has been too vague so far. Only V1.1-8 and V1.3 are available online now at the SSL homepage.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_022F_01C8373F.5672F1A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have a whole V7.2-1 distro in the = cardboard=20 folder you can have if nec.

Free but you pay for the = shipping

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David B Turner
Island Computers US Corp
2700 = Gregory St,=20 Suite 180
Savannah GA 31404

T: 877-6364332 x201
Intl: 001 912 447 6622
E: dturner@islandco.com
F: 912 = 201=20 0402
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<norm.raphael@metso.com> = wrote in=20 message news:OF90F65F64.0B27F569-ON852573A8.00597BEC-852573A8.0059FB36@m= etso.com...

I need to Locate HP SSL Version 1.2 on = CDROM.=20

I have the Distribution CD's = and This=20 version was released about OpenVMS Alpha V7.2.2 time.
It is a UNIX port and was available as a = separate=20 install kit, I am told. (It's incorporated in V8.3!)
I do not know what it would be called or on = which CD it=20 lives.
HP has been too = vague so=20 far.

Only V1.1-8 and = V1.3 are=20 available online now at the SSL homepage.=20

------=_NextPart_000_022F_01C8373F.5672F1A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:32:47 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: Trying to Locate HP SSL Version 1.2 on CDROM Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0065E12D852573A8_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Dave, Thanks, but "> I have the Distribution CD's" I have all the answers, too; I just can't match them with the questions! 8-) My problem is not the media itself, but that i don't know which set or what it is called on the media. -Norm P.S. You send all you freebies to Boston-Cambridge and ignore us here in Central Massachusetts. "David Turner, Island Computers" wrote on 12/05/2007 01:04:14 PM: > I have a whole V7.2-1 distro in the cardboard folder you can have if nec. > Free but you pay for the shipping > > DT > > -- > David B Turner > Island Computers US Corp > 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 > Savannah GA 31404 > > T: 877-6364332 x201 > Intl: 001 912 447 6622 > E: dturner@islandco.com > F: 912 201 0402 > W: http://www.islandco.com > > > > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or > entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, > proprietary, and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, > dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance > upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended > recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from all computers. > wrote in message news:OF90F65F64.0B27F569- > ON852573A8.00597BEC-852573A8.0059FB36@metso.com... > > I need to Locate HP SSL Version 1.2 on CDROM. > > I have the Distribution CD's and This version was released about > OpenVMS Alpha V7.2.2 time. > It is a UNIX port and was available as a separate install kit, I am > told. (It's incorporated in V8.3!) > I do not know what it would be called or on which CD it lives. > HP has been too vague so far. > > Only V1.1-8 and V1.3 are available online now at the SSL homepage. --=_alternative 0065E12D852573A8_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Dave,

Thanks, but "> I have the Distribution CD's"

I have all the answers, too; I just can't match them with the questions! 8-)

My problem is not the media itself, but that i don't know which set or what
it is called on the media.

-Norm

P.S. You send all you freebies to Boston-Cambridge and ignore us here in Central Massachusetts.

"David Turner, Island Computers" <dturner@no-spam-islandco.com> wrote on 12/05/2007 01:04:14 PM: > I have a whole V7.2-1 distro in the cardboard folder you can have if nec.
> Free but you pay for the shipping
> > DT
> > -- > David B Turner > Island Computers US Corp > 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 > Savannah GA 31404
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> T: 877-6364332 x201 > Intl: 001 912 447 6622 > E: dturner@islandco.com > F: 912 201 0402 > W: http://www.islandco.com
>
>
>
> > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or > entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, > proprietary, and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, > dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance > upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended > recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from all computers.
> <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote in message news:OF90F65F64.0B27F569- > ON852573A8.00597BEC-852573A8.0059FB36@metso.com...
> > I need to Locate HP SSL Version 1.2 on CDROM. > > I have the Distribution CD's and This version was released about > OpenVMS Alpha V7.2.2 time. > It is a UNIX port and was available as a separate install kit, I am > told. (It's incorporated in V8.3!) > I do not know what it would be called or on which CD it lives. > HP has been too vague so far. > > Only V1.1-8 and V1.3 are available online now at the SSL homepage. --=_alternative 0065E12D852573A8_=-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 06:06:13 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Unix for VMS guys Message-ID: <4f3fd$47568626$cef8887a$30510@TEKSAVVY.COM> There used to be sites that provides much help in converting VMS commands into Unix commands. Does anyone have a current link for such ? Also, would there be a site describing control character equivalences ? (for instance, in VMS, during a program gives you a status of that program, gets you to start of line supressed output until the next major breakpoint etc etc. Having equivalences for Unix would be useful. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 05:31:48 -0600 (CST) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: Unix for VMS guys Message-ID: <07120505314799_202647DE@antinode.org> From: JF Mezei > There used to be sites that provides much help in converting VMS > commands into Unix commands. > > Does anyone have a current link for such ? Not I. > Also, would there be a site describing control character equivalences ? > (for instance, in VMS, during a program gives you a status of > that program, gets you to start of line supressed > output until the next major breakpoint etc etc. Having equivalences for > Unix would be useful. All that sort of thing would depend on stty settings and the shell you use, not on UNIX-ness. If you find anything like Ctrl/T anywhere, please let me know. > What is sure is that I won't bother porting what is left on VAX to > Alpha, it will go to the MAC (or possibly Linux). "Mac" is short for "Macintosh". "MAC" is short for "Media Access Control". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Access_Control Please stop trying to confuse me. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:42:14 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Unix for VMS guys Message-ID: In article <4f3fd$47568626$cef8887a$30510@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: > > >There used to be sites that provides much help in converting VMS >commands into Unix commands. > >Does anyone have a current link for such ? > >Also, would there be a site describing control character equivalences ? >(for instance, in VMS, during a program gives you a status of >that program, gets you to start of line supressed >output until the next major breakpoint etc etc. Having equivalences for >Unix would be useful. I don't know about web site -- I'd wager that if you use Google with an appropriate list of search criteria you'd fine one or more -- but there was a book from Digital Press titled "Unix for OpenVMS Users" by Bourne, Holstein and McMullen that has been particularly helpful to me at times. apropos and man usually get me by these days. Those two commands and a constant internet connection so that I can Google seem to get me around unix without much pain. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2007 06:44:38 -0600 From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) Subject: Re: Unix for VMS guys Message-ID: In article <07120505314799_202647DE@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) writes: > > All that sort of thing would depend on stty settings and the shell > you use, not on UNIX-ness. If you find anything like Ctrl/T anywhere, > please let me know. > Enter: stty status ^T in FreeBSD and OpenBSD, but there's no equivalent in Linux. It does not appear to work when sat at a shell prompt, but does while running something like, say, find. One of them (I think it's OpenBSD) has it's status report integrated with some commands so that, for example, when you hit ^T during a find, you get the directory that it's currently searching. Simon. -- Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP Microsoft: Bringing you 1980's technology to a 21st century world ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 04:52:25 -0800 (PST) From: johnwallace4@gmail.com Subject: Re: Unix for VMS guys Message-ID: <91514255-cecc-441c-8f10-16e26bb793b0@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com> On Dec 5, 11:06 am, JF Mezei wrote: > There used to be sites that provides much help in converting VMS > commands into Unix commands. > > Does anyone have a current link for such ? > > Also, would there be a site describing control character equivalences ? > (for instance, in VMS, during a program gives you a status of > that program, gets you to start of line supressed > output until the next major breakpoint etc etc. Having equivalences for > Unix would be useful. Googling for "Unix for VMS Users" looks promising, the first few hits include both websites and book(s). But imo there is no substitute for actually getting immersed in a different way of thinking, which is what UNIX will require of you sooner or later if you are serious about it - regardless of your chosen shell, your chosen GUI, etc, all are different, none are like VMS. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:03:40 +0100 From: Joseph Huber Subject: Re: Unix for VMS guys Message-ID: JF Mezei wrote: > There used to be sites that provides much help in converting VMS > commands into Unix commands. > > Does anyone have a current link for such ? In addition to the recommended book "Unix for VMS Users", some web links: -- Joseph Huber - http://www.huber-joseph.de ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:19:19 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Unix for VMS guys Message-ID: <4756B367.9000208@comcast.net> JF Mezei wrote: > There used to be sites that provides much help in converting VMS > commands into Unix commands. > > Does anyone have a current link for such ? > > Also, would there be a site describing control character equivalences ? > (for instance, in VMS, during a program gives you a status of > that program, gets you to start of line supressed > output until the next major breakpoint etc etc. Having equivalences for > Unix would be useful. I don't know of one. There is, or was, a book called "Unix for VMS Users" by Philip Bourne. See the VMS Bibliography on my web page for publication details: /http://home.comcast.net/~rgilbert88/VMS_Bibliography.html It offers some guidance. Better would be a good book on Unix in general and one on the shell you wish to use. The Bourne (not the same Bourne) shell is pretty much mandatory for some things; e.g. working as root. There are also the Korn shell (ksh), the C shell (csh), the Bourne Again shell (bash), tcsh, zsh. . . . and the roll of shame goes on! You might even try "man -k 'control characters'". ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2007 14:30:12 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Unix for VMS guys Message-ID: <5rnqvkF15r5p5U1@mid.individual.net> In article <4756B367.9000208@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > JF Mezei wrote: >> There used to be sites that provides much help in converting VMS >> commands into Unix commands. >> >> Does anyone have a current link for such ? >> >> Also, would there be a site describing control character equivalences ? >> (for instance, in VMS, during a program gives you a status of >> that program, gets you to start of line supressed >> output until the next major breakpoint etc etc. Having equivalences for >> Unix would be useful. > > I don't know of one. > > There is, or was, a book called "Unix for VMS Users" by Philip Bourne. > See the VMS Bibliography on my web page for publication details: > /http://home.comcast.net/~rgilbert88/VMS_Bibliography.html > > It offers some guidance. > > Better would be a good book on Unix in general and one on the shell you > wish to use. The Bourne (not the same Bourne) shell is pretty much > mandatory for some things; e.g. working as root. > > There are also the Korn shell (ksh), the C shell (csh), the Bourne Again > shell (bash), tcsh, zsh. . . . and the roll of shame goes on! > > You might even try "man -k 'control characters'". Funny how this question keeps popping up and yet when I suggested that a more up to date book dealing with this was needed the pretty much unanimous opinion was that one was not neither needed or desired. Go figure!! bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:23:36 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Unix for VMS guys Message-ID: <4756D088.2070604@comcast.net> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article <4756B367.9000208@comcast.net>, > "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > >>JF Mezei wrote: >> >>>There used to be sites that provides much help in converting VMS >>>commands into Unix commands. >>> >>>Does anyone have a current link for such ? >>> >>>Also, would there be a site describing control character equivalences ? >>>(for instance, in VMS, during a program gives you a status of >>>that program, gets you to start of line supressed >>>output until the next major breakpoint etc etc. Having equivalences for >>>Unix would be useful. >> >>I don't know of one. >> >>There is, or was, a book called "Unix for VMS Users" by Philip Bourne. >>See the VMS Bibliography on my web page for publication details: >>/http://home.comcast.net/~rgilbert88/VMS_Bibliography.html >> >>It offers some guidance. >> >>Better would be a good book on Unix in general and one on the shell you >>wish to use. The Bourne (not the same Bourne) shell is pretty much >>mandatory for some things; e.g. working as root. >> >>There are also the Korn shell (ksh), the C shell (csh), the Bourne Again >>shell (bash), tcsh, zsh. . . . and the roll of shame goes on! >> >>You might even try "man -k 'control characters'". > > > Funny how this question keeps popping up and yet when I suggested that > a more up to date book dealing with this was needed the pretty much > unanimous opinion was that one was not neither needed or desired. > Go figure!! > > bill > > If someone wrote it, who would publish it? Who would buy it? Writing a book represents a substantial effort; I'd guess six to twelve man-months as a minimum. Getting one published is difficult and represents a substantial expense. For a volume that might sell five hundred or a thousand copies it's hardly worth it. Things that are easy and straightforward in VMS can be difficult or impossible in Unix and vice versa! That's why, in part, I run VMS, Solaris, and RedHat Linux on various machines in my home. Somewhere, there's a table of equivalences; e.g. TYPE cat DIRECTORY ls SET TIME date SHOW TIME date CREATE touch RUN AUTHORIZE vi /etc/passwd etc, etc. Thus beginneth chapter one of the new version. Next author please! ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2007 17:47:01 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Unix for VMS guys Message-ID: <5ro6gkF15789kU1@mid.individual.net> In article <4756D088.2070604@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> In article <4756B367.9000208@comcast.net>, >> "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: >> >>>JF Mezei wrote: >>> >>>>There used to be sites that provides much help in converting VMS >>>>commands into Unix commands. >>>> >>>>Does anyone have a current link for such ? >>>> >>>>Also, would there be a site describing control character equivalences ? >>>>(for instance, in VMS, during a program gives you a status of >>>>that program, gets you to start of line supressed >>>>output until the next major breakpoint etc etc. Having equivalences for >>>>Unix would be useful. >>> >>>I don't know of one. >>> >>>There is, or was, a book called "Unix for VMS Users" by Philip Bourne. >>>See the VMS Bibliography on my web page for publication details: >>>/http://home.comcast.net/~rgilbert88/VMS_Bibliography.html >>> >>>It offers some guidance. >>> >>>Better would be a good book on Unix in general and one on the shell you >>>wish to use. The Bourne (not the same Bourne) shell is pretty much >>>mandatory for some things; e.g. working as root. >>> >>>There are also the Korn shell (ksh), the C shell (csh), the Bourne Again >>>shell (bash), tcsh, zsh. . . . and the roll of shame goes on! >>> >>>You might even try "man -k 'control characters'". >> >> >> Funny how this question keeps popping up and yet when I suggested that >> a more up to date book dealing with this was needed the pretty much >> unanimous opinion was that one was not neither needed or desired. >> Go figure!! >> > > If someone wrote it, who would publish it? Well, I would probably try O'Reilly first. I have bought a number of books from them and will likely buy many more. > Who would buy it? Well, for starters, possibly all the people who show up here asking the question that re-animates this discussion every month or two. And then, sadly for VMS, all the people who have never worked with VMS who now find themselves involved in moving all the company's legacy VMS apps(1) that have been happily running for years without anyone paying attention to them over to that flashy new Linux box. (1) You know the apps I mean. The ones that have been running the business so long without a problem that the last guy who knew anything about them retired 5 years ago. > > Writing a book represents a substantial effort; I'd guess six to twelve > man-months as a minimum. Getting one published is difficult and > represents a substantial expense. For a volume that might sell five > hundred or a thousand copies it's hardly worth it. And yet, the questions continue to be asked. > > Things that are easy and straightforward in VMS can be difficult or > impossible in Unix and vice versa! That's why, in part, I run VMS, > Solaris, and RedHat Linux on various machines in my home. That is true, and even for things that can be done easily there is a definite paradigm shift that has to be accounted for. > > Somewhere, there's a table of equivalences; e.g. > TYPE cat > DIRECTORY ls > SET TIME date > SHOW TIME date > CREATE touch > RUN AUTHORIZE vi /etc/passwd > etc, etc. Yes. thre are a dozen or so of these lists. None of which is really worth the time of locating them. There is more to the interchange than the name of the command. For example, your last one. It is just plain wrong, unless your still running Ultrix-11. :-) And then we have the one above that. touch does a little bit more than just create empty files. Heck, you can do that with any editor. > > Thus beginneth chapter one of the new version. Next author please! Sigh, I guess we'll just have live with the eternal return of the question, "Unix for VMS guys". Just like Haley's comet. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2007 12:22:44 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Unix for VMS guys Message-ID: In article <4f3fd$47568626$cef8887a$30510@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: > There used to be sites that provides much help in converting VMS > commands into Unix commands. > > Does anyone have a current link for such ? > > Also, would there be a site describing control character equivalences ? > (for instance, in VMS, during a program gives you a status of > that program, gets you to start of line supressed > output until the next major breakpoint etc etc. Having equivalences for > Unix would be useful. Well, for control-T your out of luck, unless you add it yourself. For the others there are several books and cheatsheets available if you look for them. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2007 09:21:45 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: validate username/password against UAF using java ? Message-ID: In article , Pierre writes: > > well... I secretly hoped that digi-comp-HP peoples wrote java wrappers > around useful operating system calls such as system services but it > seems that I have to write my own JNI call > > ages ago, I did so on a Windows box. do you have any example in VMS > parlance? Using the JNI on VMS is well documented, I had no trouble using the supplied documents to make a sample. Existing samples, such as an auto-generated, but crude, interface to all the system services, already exist. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:59:18 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: VMS like search utility for Windows Message-ID: <4756D8E6.5010306@comcast.net> vancouvercancun@yahoo.ca wrote: > Hi, everybody > > > > In despair, I hope somebody has a Windows replacement for the > wonderful VMS Search command. The VMS search is so versatile and > useful that I am searching for a similar command line tool for the > Windows platform. > > After a little bit of searching, I know of find and findstr. > Specifically, I am looking for a command line tool that allows > specification of search files using MODified, CREated, SINce and > BEFore date modifiers. > > On VMS, it is so easy to search for something that has happened in > yesterday's log file... Why such a simple task is hard on Windows? > > <\Big desperation sigh> > > TIA > Van > > NB: Please, keep to the topic and refrain from bashing Windows. Your > mom would not approve bashing a crippled OS. ;-) > It's not hard if you use the Windows interface. The "command line" interface is the mortal remains of MSDOS and is nearly useless for most purposes. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 10:01:49 -0800 (PST) From: AEF Subject: Re: VMS like search utility for Windows Message-ID: <49cab906-d097-439c-8a82-2d3bddb15aaa@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Dec 5, 1:34 pm, vancouvercan...@yahoo.ca wrote: > On Dec 5, 11:59 am, "Richard B. Gilbert" > wrote: > > > > > vancouvercan...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > Hi, everybody > > > > > > > > In despair, I hope somebody has a Windows replacement for the > > > wonderful VMS Search command. The VMS search is so versatile and > > > useful that I am searching for a similar command line tool for the > > > Windows platform. > > > > After a little bit of searching, I know of find and findstr. > > > Specifically, I am looking for a command line tool that allows > > > specification of search files using MODified, CREated, SINce and > > > BEFore date modifiers. > > > > On VMS, it is so easy to search for something that has happened in > > > yesterday's log file... Why such a simple task is hard on Windows? > > > > <\Big desperation sigh> > > > > TIA > > > Van > > > > NB: Please, keep to the topic and refrain from bashing Windows. Your > > > mom would not approve bashing a crippled OS. ;-) > > > It's not hard if you use the Windows interface. The "command line" > > interface is the mortal remains of MSDOS and is nearly useless for most > > purposes.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > I am looking for a command line utility because I want to use it in a > batch running at 4h00 AM everyday that will alert me when it finds > some specific string in yesterday's log files. As you can guess, there > is a big number of log files in the directory but I need to find if > some event occurred yesterday. > > TIA > Van Have you tried this: Open DCL Lite version 2.21 (2001-088) Copyright (C) Accelr8 Technology Corporation 1991-2001. All rights reserved. [Warning: The Lite version (which I have and use) is buggy. You may need the pay-for version (which I don't have and never used).] Here's the SEARCH HELP: SEARCH The SEARCH command searches the given file(s) for the given string(s). The default file specification for omitted fields is "*.*". Enclose the string(s) to match in quotation marks if they contain any characters other than lowercase letters and digits. Format: SEARCH file-spec[,...] match-string[,...] Additional information available: Parameters Qualifiers /BEFORE /BY_OWNER /CONFIRM /CREATED /EXACT /EXCLUDE / FORMAT /HEADING /HIGHLIGHT /LOG /MATCH /MODIFIED /NUMBERS /REMAINING /SINCE /WINDOW Examples Implementation_Differences SEARCH Subtopic? This is all from the free version, which I have on my PC at work. Oddly, the HELP often assumes it's running on a Unix system. I myself use it to take advantage of DIR/SINCE=-7-00 to see the last week's worth of certain data files that are FTP'd to a Windows system every workday. Here is more info, also from the HELP: ACCELR8 Open DCL Lite was developed by Accelr8 Technology Corporation as a way to increase awareness of its commercial Open DCL product and other migration software. Open DCL supports a much larger set of DCL commands and lexical functions, systemwide logical names, indexed files, and more. If you need to move applications and users from VMS to either Unix or NT, Accelr8 can provide the tools and the expertise to get you there. To contact Accelr8: WWW: http://www.accelr8.com E-mail: info@accelr8.com Phone: 303-863-8088 Mail: Accelr8 Technology Corporation 303 E. 17th Ave., Suite 108 Denver, CO 80203 USA Topic? ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2007 18:14:21 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: VMS like search utility for Windows Message-ID: <5ro83tF15qh6iU1@mid.individual.net> In article <9e79b1d8-5673-487e-8680-cc335fad8d33@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, vancouvercancun@yahoo.ca writes: > On Dec 5, 11:59 am, "Richard B. Gilbert" > wrote: >> vancouvercan...@yahoo.ca wrote: >> > Hi, everybody >> >> > >> >> > In despair, I hope somebody has a Windows replacement for the >> > wonderful VMS Search command. The VMS search is so versatile and >> > useful that I am searching for a similar command line tool for the >> > Windows platform. >> >> > After a little bit of searching, I know of find and findstr. >> > Specifically, I am looking for a command line tool that allows >> > specification of search files using MODified, CREated, SINce and >> > BEFore date modifiers. >> >> > On VMS, it is so easy to search for something that has happened in >> > yesterday's log file... Why such a simple task is hard on Windows? >> >> > <\Big desperation sigh> >> >> > TIA >> > Van >> >> > NB: Please, keep to the topic and refrain from bashing Windows. Your >> > mom would not approve bashing a crippled OS. ;-) >> >> It's not hard if you use the Windows interface. The "command line" >> interface is the mortal remains of MSDOS and is nearly useless for most >> purposes.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > I am looking for a command line utility because I want to use it in a > batch running at 4h00 AM everyday that will alert me when it finds > some specific string in yesterday's log files. As you can guess, there > is a big number of log files in the directory but I need to find if > some event occurred yesterday. > Would Unix "find" and "grep" do the trick? I know they are available under CygWin. I would not be surprised if there native DOS versions as well. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2007 12:32:44 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: VMS like search utility for Windows Message-ID: In article <146c9b6a-7323-4d58-be18-83ad0a5c1553@x69g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>, vancouvercancun@yahoo.ca writes: > > In despair, I hope somebody has a Windows replacement for the > wonderful VMS Search command. The VMS search is so versatile and > useful that I am searching for a similar command line tool for the > Windows platform. There is hope. Fortunately UNIX, as poor as you may find it, is better than Windows. And cygwin is a very usefull free UNIX emulation environment that runs on Windows. When you load cygwin, you may have to turn on some options to get find, grep, and xargs. Then just remember the UNIX mantra: find | xargs grep Yeah, I know, I'd rather search, too, but the above beats the pants of findstr. And cygwin uses gnu grep, so you can do things UNIX grep can't. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2007 12:34:48 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: VMS like search utility for Windows Message-ID: In article <4756D8E6.5010306@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > > It's not hard if you use the Windows interface. The "command line" > interface is the mortal remains of MSDOS and is nearly useless for most > purposes. The Windows interface sucks. All the command line utilities will show the line containing the string, which is a great help in figuring out if you've got the right file. The Windows Explorer search will only show you the file name. Ever try looking through a couple dozen Word files to see if you've found the right one? Good way to burn up your employer's pay. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:35:20 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Walk a mile in their thongs Message-ID: Malcolm Dunnett wrote: >> And if not, is there any easier tool the gSOAP >> to use to run against those API's ? > > I've had a fair bit of luck using the SOAP::Lite > stuff in Perl to do that. The thing I like with gSOAP is that it doesn't need any other fancy tool then a standard C compiler. No ODS-5, no Java (or perl) and not the "latest VMS". > I guess I should take a look at that also then. I'd be glad to describe my project if you'd like a jump-start. Note, I'm only using gSOAP as a client in this project. Mail me privatly. I guess my mail adress is available from the post... > I too would be quite happy to see HP offer an "official" > SOAP toolkit for VMS. As long as it's not messed-up like the WSIT kit... :-) Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:17:07 -0500 From: sol gongola Subject: Re: Web Based Disk Usage Display Message-ID: Ken Robinson wrote: > On Dec 4, 2007 8:58 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> If the PHP is running on the VMS box then there are simpler >> ways than a TCP/IP service. > > You are assuming that the node running the PHP script is part of a > cluster and that all the disks are mounted on all the nodes of the > cluster. My script doesn't make those assumptions. It can also be run > from any host that is running PHP and has TCP/IP connectivity to the > VMS nodes. > > Ken Looks like you are doing something similar to the "disk usage report" from wasd? http://wasd.vsm.com.au/ht_root/doc/misc/vmsscripts.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:44:31 -0500 From: "Ken Robinson" Subject: Re: Web Based Disk Usage Display Message-ID: <7dd80f60712050544q13aa904bwbdfbf37fa62812c3@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 5, 2007 8:17 AM, sol gongola wrote: > > Looks like you are doing something similar to the "disk usage report" from wasd? > > http://wasd.vsm.com.au/ht_root/doc/misc/vmsscripts.html Since I have never used wasd, I had no idea that this script was out there. Yes it's similar, but, as I said, this script should run on any platform as long as it supports PHP and can communicate with the VMS nodes via TCP/IP. Ken ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.666 ************************