INFO-VAX Thu, 29 Nov 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 653 Contents: Re: %RPCGEN-E-PREPRFAIL, preprocessor error; subprocess or compilation error(s) Re: %RPCGEN-E-PREPRFAIL, preprocessor error; subprocess or compilation error(s) Re: Infoserver 1000 Software Re: Infoserver 1000 Software Re: Infoserver 1000 Software Re: Infoserver 1000 Software Re: Infoserver 1000 Software Re: Infoserver 1000 Software Re: NASA gets SGI 2048-core Itanium 2 supercomputer Re: NASA gets SGI 2048-core Itanium 2 supercomputer Re: NASA gets SGI 2048-core Itanium 2 supercomputer Re: NASA gets SGI 2048-core Itanium 2 supercomputer Re: NASA gets SGI 2048-core Itanium 2 supercomputer Re: NASA gets SGI 2048-core Itanium 2 supercomputer Re: NASA gets SGI 2048-core Itanium 2 supercomputer Re: NASA gets SGI 2048-core Itanium 2 supercomputer Re: NASA gets SGI 2048-core Itanium 2 supercomputer Re: NASA gets SGI 2048-core Itanium 2 supercomputer Re: NASA gets SGI 2048-core Itanium 2 supercomputer Re: NASA gets SGI 2048-core Itanium 2 supercomputer Re: RFC: Cluster status on a mobile handset Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY Re: Testing username/password from DCL VMS 30th anniversary contest Re: VMS 30th anniversary contest Re: VMS 30th anniversary contest Re: VMS 30th anniversary contest Re: VMS 30th anniversary contest Re: VMS 30th anniversary contest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:08:14 -0800 (PST) From: S3 Subject: Re: %RPCGEN-E-PREPRFAIL, preprocessor error; subprocess or compilation error(s) Message-ID: On Nov 21, 11:13 pm, Volker Halle wrote: > Doug, > > try $ SET WATCH FILE/CLASS=MAJOR (turn off with CLASS=NOMAJOR > afterwards). This will log all (major) XQP operations on your SYS > $OUTPUT device. > > Or SET AUDIT/ALARM/ENABLE=ACCESS:FAILURE (turn off with /DISABLE=...) > and REPLY/ENABLE=SECURITY > > Then run the RPCGEN command again. > > Volker. Hi Volker, Enabling the WATCH on FILE/CLASS=MAJOR and rerunning the command I see the following... $ rpcgen/head/output=kingp2:[sys]cadi.h kingp2:[sys]cadi.x %XQP, Thread #0, Access (0,0,0) Status: 00000910 %XQP, Thread #0, Access TCPIP$RPCGEN.EXE;1 (8346,3,0) Status: 00000001 %XQP, Thread #0, Control function (8346,3,0) Status: 00000001 %RPCGEN-E-PREPRFAIL, preprocessor error; subprocess or compilation error(s) %XQP, Thread #0, Lookup (0,0,0) Status: 00000910 %XQP, Thread #0, Deaccess (8346,3,0) Reads: 12, Writes: 0, Status: 00000001 Setting the AUDIT ALARM and enabling SECURITY didn't provide any additional information... $ SET AUDIT/ALARM/ENABLE=ACCESS:FAILURE %XQP, Thread #0, Access SETAUDIT.EXE;1 (1428,2,0) Status: 00000001 %XQP, Thread #0, Deaccess (1428,2,0) Reads: 9, Writes: 0, Status: 00000001 $ REPLY/ENABLE=SECURITY %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 28-NOV-2007 10:59:00.37 %%%%%%%%%%% Operator _LTA5058: has been enabled, username DOUGY %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 28-NOV-2007 10:59:00.37 %%%%%%%%%%% Operator status for operator _LTA5058: SECURITY $ rpcgen/head/output=kingp2:[sys]cadi.h kingp2:[sys]cadi.x %RPCGEN-E-PREPRFAIL, preprocessor error; subprocess or compilation error(s) $ The security on the SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$RPCGEN.EXE is as follows... $ DIR/SEC SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$RPCGEN.EXE Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE] TCPIP$RPCGEN.EXE;1 [SYSTEM] (RWED,RWED,RWED,RE) Total of 1 file. I changed the security on this file to W:RWED but the command still failed. Doug ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:25:21 -0800 (PST) From: S3 Subject: Re: %RPCGEN-E-PREPRFAIL, preprocessor error; subprocess or compilation error(s) Message-ID: <95662607-c17f-4024-928d-ee69bfec4629@e1g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Volker An associate found the problem was with the default protection on the LNM$JOB table. The JOB table has no Group or World access by default. $ show security lnm$job /class=logical LNM$JOB_89500580 object of class LOGICAL_NAME_TABLE Owner: [65,46] Protection: (System: RWCD, Owner: RWCD, Group, World) Access Control List: I added this command to the SYLOGIN to add an ACL to the JOB table... $ set security lnm$job /class=logical /acl=(ident=[*,*],access=R+W+D) Now the security on the JOB table looks like this... $ show security lnm$job /class=logical LNM$JOB_89500580 object of class LOGICAL_NAME_TABLE Owner: [65,46] Protection: (System: RWCD, Owner: RWCD, Group, World) Access Control List: (IDENTIFIER=[*,*],ACCESS=READ+WRITE+DELETE) We can now execute the rpcgen command without BYPASS privilege and everything works. Doug ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2007 14:29:38 -0600 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: Infoserver 1000 Software Message-ID: <2NRhwCRqoI$c@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > I was just perusing one of the copies of my InfoServer CDs. > > In [INFOSERVER.LINE_DOCS]INFOSERV034_SPD.TXT I found: > > InfoServer CD/R Function Access CD Kit: > QA-0UWAA-H8 > > This was, IIRC, called the InfoServer Scribe. It enabled the used of a > CD burner in the InfoServer. > > I can supply the InfoServer software (from one of my many CDs) but I do > not have a copy of the 'Scribe' CD to enable the CD burning capability. I do not believe there was software on the Scribe CD - just the unlock key. > The 'scribe' capability required certain CDR hardware. If they have the > supported hardware now they are lucky. Trying to find the old CDRs that > were required for use with the 'Scribe' software will be problematic. I > doubt anyone would find any working model of a CD recorder from a decade > ago. I bought one on eBay (as backup for the one I bought new) several years ago and had no problem with it. It was the original popular Sony model whose name escapes me at the moment. Originally they cost $8000, but on eBay they go for a couple hundred. Note that my buying a backup device is _not_ indicative of any problems with the original. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:33:45 -0800 (PST) From: "tomarsin2015@comcast.net" Subject: Re: Infoserver 1000 Software Message-ID: <0133b83b-f4ba-48e5-a10c-5a39c19ea34e@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com> On Nov 28, 1:29 pm, Kilgal...@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote: > In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > > > I was just perusing one of the copies of my InfoServer CDs. > > > In [INFOSERVER.LINE_DOCS]INFOSERV034_SPD.TXT I found: > > > InfoServer CD/R Function Access CD Kit: > > QA-0UWAA-H8 > > > This was, IIRC, called the InfoServer Scribe. It enabled the used of a > > CD burner in the InfoServer. > > > I can supply the InfoServer software (from one of my many CDs) but I do > > not have a copy of the 'Scribe' CD to enable the CD burning capability. > > I do not believe there was software on the Scribe CD - just the unlock key. > > > The 'scribe' capability required certain CDR hardware. If they have the > > supported hardware now they are lucky. Trying to find the old CDRs that > > were required for use with the 'Scribe' software will be problematic. I > > doubt anyone would find any working model of a CD recorder from a decade > > ago. > > I bought one on eBay (as backup for the one I bought new) several years > ago and had no problem with it. It was the original popular Sony model > whose name escapes me at the moment. Originally they cost $8000, but on > eBay they go for a couple hundred. Note that my buying a backup device is > _not_ indicative of any problems with the original. Hello Just wondering does he need the software at all. The Infoserver 1000 has the os in flash memory not a hd like the 100 or 150. phillip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:41:44 -0500 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Re: Infoserver 1000 Software Message-ID: <13krko2lfpctfb4@news.supernews.com> Thanks All I pointed him to the URL someone left me and I am going to leave it at that I appreciate all the help !!!!!!!!!!!! David wrote in message news:0133b83b-f4ba-48e5-a10c-5a39c19ea34e@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > On Nov 28, 1:29 pm, Kilgal...@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote: >> In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG >> writes: >> >> > I was just perusing one of the copies of my InfoServer CDs. >> >> > In [INFOSERVER.LINE_DOCS]INFOSERV034_SPD.TXT I found: >> >> > InfoServer CD/R Function Access CD Kit: >> > QA-0UWAA-H8 >> >> > This was, IIRC, called the InfoServer Scribe. It enabled the used of a >> > CD burner in the InfoServer. >> >> > I can supply the InfoServer software (from one of my many CDs) but I do >> > not have a copy of the 'Scribe' CD to enable the CD burning capability. >> >> I do not believe there was software on the Scribe CD - just the unlock >> key. >> >> > The 'scribe' capability required certain CDR hardware. If they have >> > the >> > supported hardware now they are lucky. Trying to find the old CDRs >> > that >> > were required for use with the 'Scribe' software will be problematic. >> > I >> > doubt anyone would find any working model of a CD recorder from a >> > decade >> > ago. >> >> I bought one on eBay (as backup for the one I bought new) several years >> ago and had no problem with it. It was the original popular Sony model >> whose name escapes me at the moment. Originally they cost $8000, but on >> eBay they go for a couple hundred. Note that my buying a backup device >> is >> _not_ indicative of any problems with the original. > > Hello > Just wondering does he need the software at all. The Infoserver 1000 > has the os in flash memory not a hd like the > 100 or 150. > phillip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:37:18 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Infoserver 1000 Software Message-ID: In article <2NRhwCRqoI$c@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: > > >In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > >> I was just perusing one of the copies of my InfoServer CDs. >> >> In [INFOSERVER.LINE_DOCS]INFOSERV034_SPD.TXT I found: >> >> InfoServer CD/R Function Access CD Kit: >> QA-0UWAA-H8 >> >> This was, IIRC, called the InfoServer Scribe. It enabled the used of a >> CD burner in the InfoServer. >> >> I can supply the InfoServer software (from one of my many CDs) but I do >> not have a copy of the 'Scribe' CD to enable the CD burning capability. > >I do not believe there was software on the Scribe CD - just the unlock key. Correct Larry! I have the SCRIBE commands on my InfoServers but without the "unlock key" (QA-0UWAA-H8) these commands do nothing. >> The 'scribe' capability required certain CDR hardware. If they have the >> supported hardware now they are lucky. Trying to find the old CDRs that >> were required for use with the 'Scribe' software will be problematic. I >> doubt anyone would find any working model of a CD recorder from a decade >> ago. > >I bought one on eBay (as backup for the one I bought new) several years >ago and had no problem with it. It was the original popular Sony model >whose name escapes me at the moment. Originally they cost $8000, but on >eBay they go for a couple hundred. Note that my buying a backup device is >_not_ indicative of any problems with the original. ;) I have a Yamaha CRW2200S on a SCSI bus which has been working fine; albeit, I don't burn CDs like I used to. The first Yamaha model I had has a very short lifespan. However, since LD makes a container, I can burn that file using Toast on a Mac. One of these days I need to try Toast'ing a. OpenVMS DVD. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:39:00 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Infoserver 1000 Software Message-ID: In article <0133b83b-f4ba-48e5-a10c-5a39c19ea34e@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "tomarsin2015@comcast.net" writes: > > >On Nov 28, 1:29 pm, Kilgal...@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote: >> In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >> >> > I was just perusing one of the copies of my InfoServer CDs. >> >> > In [INFOSERVER.LINE_DOCS]INFOSERV034_SPD.TXT I found: >> >> > InfoServer CD/R Function Access CD Kit: >> > QA-0UWAA-H8 >> >> > This was, IIRC, called the InfoServer Scribe. It enabled the used of a >> > CD burner in the InfoServer. >> >> > I can supply the InfoServer software (from one of my many CDs) but I do >> > not have a copy of the 'Scribe' CD to enable the CD burning capability. >> >> I do not believe there was software on the Scribe CD - just the unlock key. >> >> > The 'scribe' capability required certain CDR hardware. If they have the >> > supported hardware now they are lucky. Trying to find the old CDRs that >> > were required for use with the 'Scribe' software will be problematic. I >> > doubt anyone would find any working model of a CD recorder from a decade >> > ago. >> >> I bought one on eBay (as backup for the one I bought new) several years >> ago and had no problem with it. It was the original popular Sony model >> whose name escapes me at the moment. Originally they cost $8000, but on >> eBay they go for a couple hundred. Note that my buying a backup device is >> _not_ indicative of any problems with the original. > >Hello >Just wondering does he need the software at all. The Infoserver 1000 >has the os in flash memory not a hd like the >100 or 150. >phillip If there is no OS in the Flash, he'll need the CD. ;) I suspect that, from the part number given, that it is the 'Scribe' function key that is needed. If the InfoServer has an OS, the 'Scribe' functionality is there but crippled. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:22:18 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Uusim=E4ki?= Subject: Re: Infoserver 1000 Software Message-ID: <474e5a01$0$3210$9b536df3@news.fv.fi> Larry Kilgallen wrote: > In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > >> I was just perusing one of the copies of my InfoServer CDs. >> >> In [INFOSERVER.LINE_DOCS]INFOSERV034_SPD.TXT I found: >> >> InfoServer CD/R Function Access CD Kit: >> QA-0UWAA-H8 >> >> This was, IIRC, called the InfoServer Scribe. It enabled the used of a >> CD burner in the InfoServer. >> >> I can supply the InfoServer software (from one of my many CDs) but I do >> not have a copy of the 'Scribe' CD to enable the CD burning capability. > > I do not believe there was software on the Scribe CD - just the unlock key. > >> The 'scribe' capability required certain CDR hardware. If they have the >> supported hardware now they are lucky. Trying to find the old CDRs that >> were required for use with the 'Scribe' software will be problematic. I >> doubt anyone would find any working model of a CD recorder from a decade >> ago. > > I bought one on eBay (as backup for the one I bought new) several years > ago and had no problem with it. It was the original popular Sony model > whose name escapes me at the moment. Originally they cost $8000, but on > eBay they go for a couple hundred. Note that my buying a backup device is > _not_ indicative of any problems with the original. Quite true, there is only the so called "CDR Function", which enables the CDR usage of the Infoserver software. I assume that the software can be used with most SCSI CD Writers. At the time the software was developed, there was probably picked a bunch of known good CD Writers to qualify with. The speed of the modern CDR Drives might be too much for the old Infoserver hardware as it is SCSI-1. I've planned to test the CDR functionality with a modern drive in near future. Regards, Kari ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:03:13 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: NASA gets SGI 2048-core Itanium 2 supercomputer Message-ID: In article <00c4e2d2-3ea5-42e8-8b61-2ceaf1f0b932@o42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, Neil Rieck writes: > > >On Nov 28, 11:26 am, Jan-Erik S=F6derholm >wrote: >> Neil Rieck wrote: >> > ... to get the USA back on track? >> >> What *is* "the track" ? >> A track leading to what ? >> >> Jan-Erik. > >A track where America once again leads all of the world's economies in >everything it does. A track where America's focus swings back to >dominance in science, technology and engineering while putting away >religious fundamentalism, xenophobia, rejection of science. A track >before the country was politically divided. A track before anyone >thought that fighting wars in Vietnam or Iraq were a good idea or >possibly an economic benefit. Neil, as part of the America you are accusing of religious fundamentalism, xenophobia, rejection of science... I would like to remind you that there are many exceptions to your sterotype. That said, I would love to see the American economy at the forefront of of the world's economies. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:24:43 +0100 From: "Dr. Dweeb" Subject: Re: NASA gets SGI 2048-core Itanium 2 supercomputer Message-ID: <474dc024$0$7607$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article > <00c4e2d2-3ea5-42e8-8b61-2ceaf1f0b932@o42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, > Neil Rieck writes: >> >> >> On Nov 28, 11:26 am, Jan-Erik S=F6derholm >> wrote: >>> Neil Rieck wrote: >>>> ... to get the USA back on track? >>> >>> What *is* "the track" ? >>> A track leading to what ? >>> >>> Jan-Erik. >> >> A track where America once again leads all of the world's economies >> in everything it does. A track where America's focus swings back to >> dominance in science, technology and engineering while putting away >> religious fundamentalism, xenophobia, rejection of science. A track >> before the country was politically divided. A track before anyone >> thought that fighting wars in Vietnam or Iraq were a good idea or >> possibly an economic benefit. > > Neil, as part of the America you are accusing of religious > fundamentalism, > xenophobia, rejection of science... I would like to remind you that > there > are many exceptions to your sterotype. That said, I would love to > see the > American economy at the forefront of of the world's economies. A quick fact check reveals that the US is still the world's largest economy. That being said, the dollar has not been this weak since the 60´s, so maybe the the past is finally going to catch the greenback - but I would not bet on it just yet. As for leadership, you are your own masters when it comes to choosing a leader - choose a good one. Dweeb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:28:35 -0800 (PST) From: Neil Rieck Subject: Re: NASA gets SGI 2048-core Itanium 2 supercomputer Message-ID: <303adb89-0e85-457b-861e-9ce2618852ea@g30g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On Nov 28, 2:03 pm, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <00c4e2d2-3ea5-42e8-8b61-2ceaf1f0b...@o42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, Neil Rieck writes: > > > > > > > > >On Nov 28, 11:26 am, Jan-Erik S=F6derholm > >wrote: > >> Neil Rieck wrote: > >> > ... to get the USA back on track? > > >> What *is* "the track" ? > >> A track leading to what ? > > >> Jan-Erik. > > >A track where America once again leads all of the world's economies in > >everything it does. A track where America's focus swings back to > >dominance in science, technology and engineering while putting away > >religious fundamentalism, xenophobia, rejection of science. A track > >before the country was politically divided. A track before anyone > >thought that fighting wars in Vietnam or Iraq were a good idea or > >possibly an economic benefit. > > Neil, as part of the America you are accusing of religious fundamentalism, > xenophobia, rejection of science... I would like to remind you that there > are many exceptions to your sterotype. That said, I would love to see the > American economy at the forefront of of the world's economies. > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" > > http://tmesis.com/drat.html- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I would too. And please don't take my comments personally. A few posts back I mentioned a recent American radio program telling how Nixon got rid of the position of "Presidential Science Advisor". This position was created by Eisenhower to kick off the space age but you really have to wonder what was Nixon thinking about when he got rid of it? Apparently it took an act of congress to get the position reinstated but the President is not obliged to take this advice (and I'm convinced that Bush isn't). I'd feel more comfortable with a science + technology president than I would with one who thinks that stem-cell research is a mistake (and I'm no atheist). And to the person who sent me a private note telling me the American economy is doing just fine I'd just like to say this: In 2003 one Canadian dollar got you 67 American cents. Today the Canadian dollar is worth more than the American dollar (last month it was $1.07 but is closer to $1.01 today). The last time this happened was when the US was spending itself into a deep hole called Vietnam. Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:00:40 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: NASA gets SGI 2048-core Itanium 2 supercomputer Message-ID: <474DD6F8.60304@comcast.net> Neil Rieck wrote: > On Nov 26, 4:44 pm, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob > Koehler) wrote: > >>In article <49f32980-721c-49bf-aada-1295efbce...@w40g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Neil Rieck writes: >> >> >> > > [...snip...] > >> NASA has transformed from the premier engineering organisation that >> did some science on the side to a big bureaucracy that also does >> engineering and science. >> >> But almost everything we do at the Goddard Space Flight Center is >> science. JPL does most of the deep space missions, GSFC does most >> of the earth orbiting missions; every other NASA installation (JPL >> is actually a contractor) has its specialty. >> >> So why haven't you heard of the GSFC science missions? Because >> the Hubble Space Telescope is the only one of them the media pays >> any attention enough for its name to be recognised. Its NASA's >> number one PR machine as well as one hell of a good science resource. >> > > > Thanks for that update. I forgot that there were NASA people hanging > out here. > > p.s. So do you think it's too late for someone like a presidential > science advisor to get the USA back on track? In this light it would > be nice if we could get back to the 1960's. > > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, > Ontario, Canada. > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ > Only after a new president takes office. If Dubya doesn't mastermind (giggle) a coup d'etat. . . . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:14:19 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: NASA gets SGI 2048-core Itanium 2 supercomputer Message-ID: In article <474dc024$0$7607$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>, "Dr. Dweeb" writes: >{...snip...} >A quick fact check reveals that the US is still the world's largest economy. > >That being said, the dollar has not been this weak since the 60´s, so maybe >the the past is finally going to catch the greenback - but I would not bet >on it just yet. > >As for leadership, you are your own masters when it comes to choosing a >leader - choose a good one. That ain't happening any time soon I can assure you. Both parties suck and their candidates in the running suck even more. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:37:39 -0800 (PST) From: Neil Rieck Subject: Re: NASA gets SGI 2048-core Itanium 2 supercomputer Message-ID: <9e8722f7-dd16-45cb-b772-dda61937c380@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com> On Nov 28, 2:50 pm, Alfred Falk wrote: > Neil Rieck wrote innews:303adb89-0e85-457b-861e-9ce2618852ea@g30g2000hsb.googlegroups.com: > > > > > And to the person who sent me a private note telling me the American > > economy is doing just fine I'd just like to say this: In 2003 one > > Canadian dollar got you 67 American cents. Today the Canadian dollar > > is worth more than the American dollar (last month it was $1.07 but is > > closer to $1.01 today). The last time this happened was when the US > > was spending itself into a deep hole called Vietnam. > > Your history is a little off, Neil. The Canadian dollar was high though > the 50's, declining somewhat in the early 60's. The "Diefenbuck" pegged > it at US$0.925 in 1962. The Vietnam war was just beginning to ramp up > then. > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > A L B E R T A Alfred Falk f...@arc.ab.ca > R E S E A R C H Information Systems Dept (780)450-5185 > C O U N C I L 250 Karl Clark Road > Edmonton, Alberta, Canadahttp://www.arc.ab.ca/ T6N 1E4http://outside.arc.ab.ca/staff/falk/ > I hope you don't think it's like throwing a switch. Vietnam started under Kennedy and ramped up under Johnson. My "memory" of the Canadian dollar being worth more than the US buck was around 1971-72. But check out this quote from Wikipedia under the article: "Nixon Shock" By the early 1970s, as the Vietnam War accelerated inflation, the United States was running not just a balance of payments deficit but also a trade deficit (for the first time in the twentieth century). The crucial turning point was 1970, which saw U.S. gold coverage of the paper dollar deteriorate from 55% to 22%. This, in the view of neoclassical economists, represented the point where holders of the dollar had lost faith in the U.S. ability to cut its budget and trade deficits. In 1971 more and more dollars were being printed in Washington, then being pumped overseas, to pay for the nation's military expenditures and private investments. In the first six months of 1971, assets for $22 billion fled the United States. It is my belief that war diverts resources away from constructive activities (Manned spaceflight is one example) toward destructive activities (Vietnam, Iraq, etc.) While "investment" in manned spaceflight returned many rewards (microprocessors, internet, etc.) war only wastes money and returns nothing! NSR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:43:39 -0800 (PST) From: Neil Rieck Subject: Re: NASA gets SGI 2048-core Itanium 2 supercomputer Message-ID: <949c2145-1cc1-40f8-807e-c2db48122d53@e1g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On Nov 28, 4:14 pm, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <474dc024$0$7607$157c6...@dreader2.cybercity.dk>, "Dr. Dweeb" writes: [...snip...] > > > >As for leadership, you are your own masters when it comes to choosing a > leader - choose a good one. > > That ain't happening any time soon I can assure you. Both parties suck > and their candidates in the running suck even more. > What happens if Hillary gets in? (BTW, I have no opinion on her one way or the other). This means that 2 families, the Bushs and the Clintons, will have dominated presidential politics for 24 years. IMHO it is always a good idea to keep changing things. NSR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:57:46 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: NASA gets SGI 2048-core Itanium 2 supercomputer Message-ID: <474DE45A.6070604@comcast.net> Neil Rieck wrote: > On Nov 28, 4:14 pm, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >>In article <474dc024$0$7607$157c6...@dreader2.cybercity.dk>, "Dr. Dweeb" writes: > > > [...snip...] > > >> >>>As for leadership, you are your own masters when it comes to choosing a >> >>leader - choose a good one. >> >>That ain't happening any time soon I can assure you. Both parties suck >>and their candidates in the running suck even more. >> > > > What happens if Hillary gets in? (BTW, I have no opinion on her one > way or the other). This means that 2 families, the Bushs and the > Clintons, will have dominated presidential politics for 24 years. > > IMHO it is always a good idea to keep changing things. Change for the sake of change has little to recommend it! To change things for the better, you have to get a lot of people to agree on just what "better" is. Most people will pick "better for me"! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:00:38 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: NASA gets SGI 2048-core Itanium 2 supercomputer Message-ID: <9fd1f$474de50a$cef8887a$1530@TEKSAVVY.COM> Neil Rieck wrote: > p.s. So do you think it's too late for someone like a presidential > science advisor to get the USA back on track? In this light it would > be nice if we could get back to the 1960's. That is NASA's current mission as given by the current president of the USA. Retire Shuttle and build an Apollo system with the contractors that used to do Shuttle with the hopes of going to the moon in 2020. Not sure why you would consider it "nice" to go back 40 years in technology and design. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:11:38 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: NASA gets SGI 2048-core Itanium 2 supercomputer Message-ID: JF Mezei wrote: > Price of Gas actually went down until just recently.We saw it go below > $1.00 per litre until a couple of weeks ago when it started to play it > yo-yo game between 1.00 and 1.10. Update. Went to fetch a chocolate bar at the local dépanneur (by bike, of course). The oil company's fancy random number generator set the price of gas at $1.14 today. Last time it was that high was when a barrel of oil broke the $40 mark. The oil companies known the elasticity of the market and know that avove 1.15, the people start to take active measures to reduce consumption. It won't stay that high long. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:50:00 GMT From: Alfred Falk Subject: Re: NASA gets SGI 2048-core Itanium 2 supercomputer Message-ID: Neil Rieck wrote in news:303adb89-0e85-457b-861e-9ce2618852ea@g30g2000hsb.googlegroups.com: > > > And to the person who sent me a private note telling me the American > economy is doing just fine I'd just like to say this: In 2003 one > Canadian dollar got you 67 American cents. Today the Canadian dollar > is worth more than the American dollar (last month it was $1.07 but is > closer to $1.01 today). The last time this happened was when the US > was spending itself into a deep hole called Vietnam. Your history is a little off, Neil. The Canadian dollar was high though the 50's, declining somewhat in the early 60's. The "Diefenbuck" pegged it at US$0.925 in 1962. The Vietnam war was just beginning to ramp up then. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- A L B E R T A Alfred Falk falk@arc.ab.ca R E S E A R C H Information Systems Dept (780)450-5185 C O U N C I L 250 Karl Clark Road Edmonton, Alberta, Canada http://www.arc.ab.ca/ T6N 1E4 http://outside.arc.ab.ca/staff/falk/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:31:47 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: NASA gets SGI 2048-core Itanium 2 supercomputer Message-ID: <77l3j.83$Pk.71@newsfe09.lga> In article <303adb89-0e85-457b-861e-9ce2618852ea@g30g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Neil Rieck writes: >{...snip...} >And please don't take my comments personally. A few posts back I >mentioned a recent American radio program telling how Nixon got rid of >the position of "Presidential Science Advisor". This position was >created by Eisenhower to kick off the space age but you really have to >wonder what was Nixon thinking about when he got rid of it? Apparently >it took an act of congress to get the position reinstated but the >President is not obliged to take this advice (and I'm convinced that >Bush isn't). I'd feel more comfortable with a science + technology >president than I would with one who thinks that stem-cell research is >a mistake (and I'm no atheist). In a recent election in the people's republic of New Jermany (proNJ), a referendum to expend close to $.5Billion in *STATE* funds on stem-cell research was voted down by a significant margin. I am not against the stem-cell research. proNJ has most of the major pharmaceutical research in the states, so why must the state fund that which, until now, has run fine as commercial enterprise? I may have been happy to see the referendum succeed if the proNJ's fiscal house wasn't in such a shambles but expending $.5Billion, when the state is already so deep into the hole that it may ever crawl out, without ANY guarantee that the research would pay off is wrong. The state's con- stitution (not that any constitutional rights exist in the USA) says that the government can't gamble with tax dollars. >And to the person who sent me a private note telling me the American >economy is doing just fine I'd just like to say this: In 2003 one >Canadian dollar got you 67 American cents. Today the Canadian dollar >is worth more than the American dollar (last month it was $1.07 but is >closer to $1.01 today). The last time this happened was when the US >was spending itself into a deep hole called Vietnam. I remember being in Canada before 2000 and the exchange was about US$3 to CDN$5 then. Back at the beginning of this past summer, I was in Montreal. The exchange then was essentially US$1 : CDN$1. Thankfully, we were invited there, so I only had to pay for the gas on the drive. We topped up in upstate NY to avoid buying gas in Canada. What is the price of gas up there? -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:55:46 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: RFC: Cluster status on a mobile handset Message-ID: Uusimäki wrote: > Really cool application! Works fine on my Nokia E90. Thanks. Good to know that other handsets can handle it. > WLAN and GPRS. No significant difference in speed. The actual XHTML content is pretty small. No images. So it wouldn't really make much of a differenceb in download speed. And the DCL needs to do a decnet connection to every node to obtain its temperature, and I suspect that this may be the limiting factor. > My suggestion to the disk usage alarm level is that the yellow threshold > would be at 70% used space and red threshold at 90% used space. Ideally, you'd want to see some constantly running process monitor disk usage and provide informaion on a trend instead of usage at one specific moment (akaL: some application running wild and creating hundreds of thousands of files) > Another suggestion is that it would be valuable to see if the nodes are > heavily loaded. E.g. CPU-time over 90% for more than 5 mins, would turn > the nodes colour red. Is there a way in DCL to obtain CPU utilisation ? Or would that require writing the equivalent of MONITOR SYSTEM to get that percentage ? > A third suggestion is to show the Cluster Interconnects somehow. If Are those available from DCL ? > Also queue states could be shown colour coded. E.g. paused queue in > yellow and stopped in red. Maybe a very busy queue could also be shown > in yellow. There is no F$GETQUI item code for "very busy" :-) I guess this would have to be some configurable parameter that is based on number of jobs waiting to execute ? One issue to consider is that if your cluster is pretty sick, chances are that you won't be able to get to it from your mobile. So the ability to download any content from your host indicates a certain health level for the system, switches, routers, modem. OK: Big question here. If there is interest in this, would excluding VAX as a running node (the one executing that code) be acceptable ? (This would allow me to use $ACM for instance as well as using GETSYI/DVI/QUI item codes not available on VAX). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:43:00 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY Message-ID: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >In article <474CB7F5.6010007@comcast.net>, bradhamilton writes: >> >> I guess Larry knows best here, having "experience" with SEVMS; I assume >> that /SECRECY is latent in non-SEVMS environments. :-) >> > For a great many years now, the standard VMS kernel has had CIA and > ICBM. Some things are not even latent. VMS has CIA$, NSA$ and KGB$ data structures (and probably others I don't know about), and they are not only not latent, they are used for such things as breakin detection/evasion, security auditing and process attributes (including impersonation, of course). ICBMs are, of course, peripheral related. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:05:42 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Testing username/password from DCL Message-ID: Neil Rieck wrote: >> p.s. I do this all the time with HP's Apache for OpenVMS. In some > instances we let Apache prompt for the OpenVMS username/password while > in other instances we do OpenVMS username/password validation from > within our served-up applications. Web servers validate username/passwords to gain access to protected pages. But they won't check if a user has sufficient privileges to run perform certain tasks. But come to think of it, one can setup access controls limited to certan users only, even on OSU, so you could limit it to say "SYSTEM" and other username/password combis would be rejected even if they are valid passwords. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:03:41 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: VMS 30th anniversary contest Message-ID: <37261$474e01dc$cef8887a$6215@TEKSAVVY.COM> HP-USA has setup a contest to celebrate the 30th anniversary of VMS. http://www.hp.com/go/celebrate30 You need a valid system serial number. And you gtet some t-shirt and chance to win one of them IA64 contraptions. Contest opened to USA residents only. Your mileage may vary. 1 Free HP OpenVMS anniversary offer subject to HP terms and conditions. Offer available to all customers with a valid serial number while supplies last. You must meet HP qualifications. HP may discontinue this offer at anytime. 2 Contest Rules: No purchase necessary. Open only to U.S. entries. Entries must be received by January 15, 2008. HP will determine and select the winner from all valid entries received, based on the oldest running instance of HP OpenVMS currently in production. HP reserves the right to disqualify entries for any reason. The winner will be announced in February 2008. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:58:49 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: VMS 30th anniversary contest Message-ID: In article <37261$474e01dc$cef8887a$6215@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: > > >HP-USA has setup a contest to celebrate the 30th anniversary of VMS. > >http://www.hp.com/go/celebrate30 > >You need a valid system serial number. And you gtet some t-shirt and >chance to win one of them IA64 contraptions. > >Contest opened to USA residents only. Your mileage may vary. > > >1 Free HP OpenVMS anniversary offer subject to HP terms and conditions. >Offer available to all customers with a valid serial number while >supplies last. You must meet HP qualifications. HP may discontinue this >offer at anytime. ...and what are HP qualifications? I asked Sue about this when the letter arrived. My old VAXen are not HP servers. Anyway, if anyone here has an old 11/780 in service, you should be the winner. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:01:06 -0800 From: Malcolm Dunnett Subject: Re: VMS 30th anniversary contest Message-ID: <474e0f52$1@flight> JF Mezei wrote: > HP-USA has setup a contest to celebrate the 30th anniversary of VMS. > > http://www.hp.com/go/celebrate30 > > You need a valid system serial number. And you gtet some t-shirt and > chance to win one of them IA64 contraptions. Seems odd to give one of those to someone who'd rather stay on a VAX, doesn't it. I still remember the serial number of our first VMS system: NI80012904C (that was a VAX 11/780 put into service in January 1980). I wonder where that would fit in relation to the winning system. I've been running VMS continuously ever since, but that box is long gone. Maybe I should plug it into the entry form just to see what happens. Sue: How about sending me a sweater just because I can still remember that serial number????? Nowadays I only have Alphas and IA64s - guess it doesn't pay to try to keep up with the times, but I sure could make good use of an RX2660!!! > > Contest opened to USA residents only. Your mileage may vary. > BOO!! HISS!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:36:55 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: VMS 30th anniversary contest Message-ID: Malcolm Dunnett wrote: > I still remember the serial number of our first VMS system: NI80012904C > (that was a VAX 11/780 put into service in January 1980). In the all-mighty Microvax II days, the serial number was attached to the cabinet. While I still have the MV-II, it has been pulled from the cabinet and the cabinet now has an alpha, a vax 4000-600, a -200 (turned off) and routers etc. I wonder if that might be considered acceptable :-) I could always plug in the MVII on the floor just to prove it still works :-) Since I can't participate in that contest (not a US citizen), it is moot. But I suspect HP might find itself with a lot of "questionable" serial numbers of systems which may or many not still be in real daily use. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 2007 02:38:04 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: VMS 30th anniversary contest Message-ID: <5r6n0cF131ldsU1@mid.individual.net> In article , JF Mezei writes: > Malcolm Dunnett wrote: >> I still remember the serial number of our first VMS system: NI80012904C >> (that was a VAX 11/780 put into service in January 1980). > > In the all-mighty Microvax II days, the serial number was attached to > the cabinet. While I still have the MV-II, it has been pulled from the > cabinet and the cabinet now has an alpha, a vax 4000-600, a -200 > (turned off) and routers etc. I wonder if that might be considered > acceptable :-) > > I could always plug in the MVII on the floor just to prove it still > works :-) > > > Since I can't participate in that contest (not a US citizen), it is > moot. But I suspect HP might find itself with a lot of "questionable" > serial numbers of systems which may or many not still be in real daily use. I have a MicroVAX-II in my basement right now that while it hasn't been powered up lately, should run just fine if I did. I would bet it still has the version of MicroVMS on the disk that was used at the University when I go there 18 years ago. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:04:41 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: VMS 30th anniversary contest Message-ID: <6698d$474e2c4b$cef8887a$1453@TEKSAVVY.COM> What happens if the serial number of the oldest system is published on the internet and everyone wno enters the contests enters that one serial number ? Will HP then have to give away one IA64 contraption to each participant who entered that serial number ? :-) :-) :-) :-) ;-) ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.653 ************************