INFO-VAX Wed, 28 Nov 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 651
Contents:
GUI Interface Designer
Re: HP loses another large customer
Infoserver 1000 Software
Re: Infoserver 1000 Software
Re: Infoserver 1000 Software
Re: Infoserver 1000 Software
Re: Infoserver 1000 Software
Re: Infoserver 1000 Software
Re: Infoserver 1000 Software
Re: lexical for terminal attributes?
Re: RFC: Cluster status on a mobile handset
Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY
Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY
Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY
Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY
Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY
Testing username/password from DCL
Re: Testing username/password from DCL
Re: Testing username/password from DCL
Re: Testing username/password from DCL
Update on Friday's Blade Short take
RE: VIOC: sizing and performance
Re: Why does DECnet Phase IV have more capabilities on VAX than on
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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:59:35 -0800 (PST)
From: hailsnailtrail@gmail.com
Subject: GUI Interface Designer
Message-ID: <0c373f8a-c176-4d0c-9d1e-f8d6dbde00d7@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>
Hi there. I'm a very talented multimedia developer/artist, soon to be
entrepreneurial; who is looking to develop a professional network of
individuals whom are looking for graphical interface design services
in the operating system sector.
I'm hoping that if anybody reads this, and is interested, that they
could maybe connect me to somebody interested in raising the bar on
their users gui experience. It would be excellent if somebody could
refer me to somebody involved in DECwindows / VMS development team,
that might be interested.
If you're thinking this sounds good, just drop me a line at
infinitus_2005@hotmail.com
I'd be happy to show examples of my work.
Thanks a bunch,
Joe
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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:28:11 -0500
From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Subject: Re: HP loses another large customer
Message-ID: <63575$474c8bee$cef8887a$4385@TEKSAVVY.COM>
Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> And, of course, neither covers the case when you actually did want to
> add two windows or multiply a window by a file. :-)
Actually, i could see "adding two windows" being implemented.
You would create a new window and populate it with widgets from both the
original windows and create new callbacks for each function that was
common to both original windows (such as File -> Open) that would end up
doing a callback for that function for each of the original window.
Would make for some most interest results.
And in terms of multiplying windows, this has been done before. Think
about javascript sites that would pop up adverts constantly to your
window and whenever you close one of those adverts, it caused 2 more
adverts to pop up :-)
:-) :-) :-) :-)
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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:16:08 -0500
From: "David Turner, Island Computers" <dturner@no-spam-islandco.com>
Subject: Infoserver 1000 Software
Message-ID: <13kous169tufj03@news.supernews.com>
Part number is QA something or other on CDROM
It's for a friend that can't find the right info
I don't do vaxes and infoservers so any help would be appreciated
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Date: 27 Nov 2007 14:32:11 -0600
From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)
Subject: Re: Infoserver 1000 Software
Message-ID: <Eu2ElHGNYzvQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>
In article <13kous169tufj03@news.supernews.com>, "David Turner, Island Computers" <dturner@no-spam-islandco.com> writes:
> Part number is QA something or other on CDROM
> It's for a friend that can't find the right info
> I don't do vaxes and infoservers so any help would be appreciated
>
Isn't that on the Freeware?
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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:42:14 -0500
From: "David Turner, Island Computers" <dturner@no-spam-islandco.com>
Subject: Re: Infoserver 1000 Software
Message-ID: <13kp0cvpeupbfbf@news.supernews.com>
No idea
I was just asked if I knew of it and if I could get it for him
Which freeware cd would have it - i.e. which vms version.
I assume it isn't on current releases
DT
"Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message
news:Eu2ElHGNYzvQ@eisner.encompasserve.org...
> In article <13kous169tufj03@news.supernews.com>, "David Turner, Island
> Computers" <dturner@no-spam-islandco.com> writes:
>> Part number is QA something or other on CDROM
>> It's for a friend that can't find the right info
>> I don't do vaxes and infoservers so any help would be appreciated
>>
>
> Isn't that on the Freeware?
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:21:12 GMT
From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG
Subject: Re: Infoserver 1000 Software
Message-ID: <cT%2j.8$IC1.1@newsfe08.lga>
In article <13kous169tufj03@news.supernews.com>, "David Turner, Island Computers" <dturner@no-spam-islandco.com> writes:
>
>
>Part number is QA something or other on CDROM
>It's for a friend that can't find the right info
>I don't do vaxes and infoservers so any help would be appreciated
David,
I have some copies here you are welcome to. I need to run out and I have
a busy next few days. I'll try to remember to put a copy in the post for
you.
A post-it note reminder is on my main screen to remind me.
--
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"Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"
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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:20:22 -0500
From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Subject: Re: Infoserver 1000 Software
Message-ID: <29c90$474c9829$cef8887a$6383@TEKSAVVY.COM>
David Turner, Island Computers wrote:
> Part number is QA something or other on CDROM
I couldn't find "QAsomething" nor "QAother" on the CDROM.
But I did find, on a december 2004 vax distribution:
"InfoServer Software"
YSHAA 3.5A SSB NCH Y Y N INFOSERV035A 2
So version 3.5A of InfoServer.
There is also:
"DEC InfoServer Client for VMS"
GGWAA 1.0 SSB NCH Y N N ESS010 2
I've sent a private email to Mr David. If anyone knows those software
versions to not be the more recent ones, let me know. I might be able to
get those to him faster than Mr VAXman who is busy trying to convert
people to the Macintosh religion at the local shopping centre :-) :-)
:-) :-)
(Before you know it, we'll start having "mac owner, rabbi and a priest
jokes :-) :-) :-)
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Date: 27 Nov 2007 17:29:50 -0600
From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)
Subject: Re: Infoserver 1000 Software
Message-ID: <emAaDYNAXXkP@eisner.encompasserve.org>
In article <13kp0cvpeupbfbf@news.supernews.com>, "David Turner, Island Computers" <dturner@no-spam-islandco.com> writes:
> No idea
> I was just asked if I knew of it and if I could get it for him
> Which freeware cd would have it - i.e. which vms version.
> I assume it isn't on current releases
>
> DT
> "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message
> news:Eu2ElHGNYzvQ@eisner.encompasserve.org...
>> In article <13kous169tufj03@news.supernews.com>, "David Turner, Island
>> Computers" <dturner@no-spam-islandco.com> writes:
>>> Part number is QA something or other on CDROM
>>> It's for a friend that can't find the right info
>>> I don't do vaxes and infoservers so any help would be appreciated
>>>
>>
>> Isn't that on the Freeware?
The later the release the more likely, since it took a while to get
approval to include it.
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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 02:12:30 GMT
From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG
Subject: Re: Infoserver 1000 Software
Message-ID: <i843j.90$UA1.79@newsfe10.lga>
In article <29c90$474c9829$cef8887a$6383@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:
>
>
>David Turner, Island Computers wrote:
>> Part number is QA something or other on CDROM
>
>I couldn't find "QAsomething" nor "QAother" on the CDROM.
>
>But I did find, on a december 2004 vax distribution:
>
>"InfoServer Software"
>YSHAA 3.5A SSB NCH Y Y N INFOSERV035A 2
>
>So version 3.5A of InfoServer.
OK. I have serveral InforServer V3.4/Base Level 7/March 1996 CDs.
David may want the more recent version which I too would have to
pull from the same distro you have cited.
>I've sent a private email to Mr David. If anyone knows those software
>versions to not be the more recent ones, let me know. I might be able to
>get those to him faster than Mr VAXman who is busy trying to convert
>people to the Macintosh religion at the local shopping centre :-) :-)
>:-) :-)
Not tonight. No proselytizing to the heathen Micro$ofties this eve.
My son received his varsity letter at school this eve.
>(Before you know it, we'll start having "mac owner, rabbi and a priest
>jokes :-) :-) :-)
Check in rec.humor.mac-owner.rabbi.priest :)
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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:14:01 -0000
From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net>
Subject: Re: lexical for terminal attributes?
Message-ID: <13kpcm9esp7ega0@corp.supernews.com>
Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
> Thomas Dickey wrote:
>> Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>>> I find it much more likely that people have a terminal emulator
>>> that are missing obscure features than one that only supports
>>> VT300 series.
>>
>> oh. You forgot to tell us which terminal emulators you're using.
>> (it has to be more than one, given your postings in this thread).
> I tried with Reflection and Putty, if you think it is relevant.
I see. Reading PuTTY's source code, it appears that it doesn't support
the control sequence we were discussing. I took it for granted the
Reflection does, but your comments would only make sense if there
was a second example that you had at hand.
--
Thomas E. Dickey
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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:21:05 -0500
From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Subject: Re: RFC: Cluster status on a mobile handset
Message-ID: <4c1da$474c8a46$cef8887a$3192@TEKSAVVY.COM>
Ken Robinson wrote:
> One thing I didn't like was that you load the all the information each
> time and just go to the section requested.
Yep. When it was in WML, it was much better organised into cards
(virtual pages). So with one transaction, you have the info and could
then very quickly access it.
But with XHTML, one is limited to 12 access keys (the numeric keypad).
First generation WAP required the use of a WAP gateway/proxy which
compiled the pages into compressed binary WML before being sent over the
air to the handsets. That WAP gateway also added plenty of HTTP headers
to the request being sent to the server, including a field identifying
the customer.
But newer handsets can now bypass the WAP gateway and make their own
HTTP requests to remote servers, so identifying information is no longer
necessarily available.
So I may end up having to have a page that requests your
username/password as well as check boxes on what content you are
interested in. It would add to the number of keystrokes needed to get to
the information though.
> displayed the information for the VAX, the temperature shows a very
> low temp, since the VAX can't show the temp.
"very low" is an understatement :-) My vax is very cool at -273°C :-)
I hardcoded the value more as a test of the logic. It started off with
"N/A" but that didn't really look cool. This script currently runs on
that VAX and obtaining temperatures was no so simple since they haven't
updated VAX-VMS to support F$GETSYI("TEMPERATURE_VECTOR") when
requesting info about other nodes. So it has to do decnet connections to
each node to obtain their temperatures.
> This should be customizable for each installation and possibly
> different for large disks vs. small disks.
Since it is DCL, it is customizable :-) Just wondering though if people
would just want some variables defined at the top do they don't have to
look at the code, or whether they would end up looking/modifying the
code anyways to fit their particular needs.
Some sites might wish to add code to check for particular stuff on their
cluster for instance, or flag certain thing with a colour etc etc.
Or perhaps adding more intelligence to it and displaying only
information that is "odd". For instance displaying stopped queues only,
or disks that have usage above X% and/or more than 0 errors.
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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:01:30 +0000
From: "R.A.Omond" <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>
Subject: Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY
Message-ID: <fihpib$jv6$1$830fa7a5@news.demon.co.uk>
Michael Moroney wrote:
> "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.company> writes:
>
>
>>On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:09:23 -0800, bradhamilton =
>
>
>><bradhamilton@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <89655$474ac9d3$cef8887a$32349@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei
>>>><jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:
>>>>
>>>>>HELP on 8.3 says "Reserved for us by HP".
>>>>>
>>>>>What happens if I type that command ?
>>>>
>>>> %DCL-W-VALREQ, missing qualifier or keyword value - supply all
>>>>required values
>>>> You know, for SEVMS you need(ed) some more commands/qualifiers...
>>>>
>>>
>>>Whoops - that should read:
>>>$ set sec/sec=cia
>>>%DCL-W-NOPAREN, value improperly delimited - supply parenthesis
>>> \CIA\
>>>$ set sec/sec=(cia)
>>>_Object: Exit
>>>$ create foo.tmp
>>> Exit
>>>$ set sec/sec=(cia) foo.tmp
>>>
>>>Now I'm in real trouble... :-)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Does that actually do anything for the file attributes?
>
>
> FWIW, the qualifier value is an ACL of some sort.
> A few other SET commands also take /SECRECY as a parameter.
>
> If we don't hear from you, we'll know you found the answer or at least got
> close...
Hmmm... looks like it's been dormant since at least as far back as
VMS 7.2-1. Here's the command on Eisner:
$ sh sys/noproc
OpenVMS V7.2-1 on node EISNER 27-NOV-2007 12:58:31.97 Uptime 157
03:22:14
$ set sec/sec=(this,is,the,best,kept,secret) x.x
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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:04:25 -0500
From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Subject: Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY
Message-ID: <5f7b5$474c946a$cef8887a$19516@TEKSAVVY.COM>
Michael Moroney wrote:
> FWIW, the qualifier value is an ACL of some sort.
> A few other SET commands also take /SECRECY as a parameter.
>
> If we don't hear from you, we'll know you found the answer or at least got
> close...
Or that the men in black came in and whisked him into some private
aircraft to a remote location in the world to be tortured until he
admits that he used the /SECRECY qualifier to subvert the current
government. :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:42:48 -0500
From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Subject: Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY
Message-ID: <6d077$474c9d6a$cef8887a$26576@TEKSAVVY.COM>
I tried:
$ set security/secrecy=(NSA,CIA,MI5,MI6) sheep.txt
The command executed without complaint.
However, neither indexf.sys nor the .dir file containing that file entry
contained the text entered in the /secrecy bit.
$ set security/secrecy=(white fluffy sheep) sheep.txt
Also was accepted without complaint although one would assume that this
is syntactically incorrect from a DCL point of view.
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Date: 27 Nov 2007 17:28:17 -0600
From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)
Subject: Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY
Message-ID: <6$mgLU3XEbPN@eisner.encompasserve.org>
In article <fihpib$jv6$1$830fa7a5@news.demon.co.uk>, "R.A.Omond" <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> writes:
> Hmmm... looks like it's been dormant since at least as far back as
> VMS 7.2-1. Here's the command on Eisner:
>
> $ sh sys/noproc
> OpenVMS V7.2-1 on node EISNER 27-NOV-2007 12:58:31.97 Uptime 157
> 03:22:14
> $ set sec/sec=(this,is,the,best,kept,secret) x.x
I do not remember exactly when the DCL commands for SEVMS were rolled
into VMS proper, but certainly it was before the last version of SEVMS
which was V6.2.
No, this will not work if you have ordinary VMS images, but if there
were actually a demand for MAC they could revive the support.
In the meantime, it is possible to write command procedures that work
on both VMS and SEVMS.
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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:36:05 -0500
From: bradhamilton <bradhamilton@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY
Message-ID: <474CB7F5.6010007@comcast.net>
Michael Moroney wrote:
> "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.company> writes:
[...]
>> Does that actually do anything for the file attributes?
>
> FWIW, the qualifier value is an ACL of some sort.
> A few other SET commands also take /SECRECY as a parameter.
>
> If we don't hear from you, we'll know you found the answer or at least got
> close...
WHUP WHUP WHUP WHUP...
I'm back (whew!)
Actually, I saw no ACL (in the traditional sense) after creating the
file. I was able to copy/delete/rename the file without issue (at least
until the black helicopters came...).
I guess Larry knows best here, having "experience" with SEVMS; I assume
that /SECRECY is latent in non-SEVMS environments. :-)
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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:41:39 -0500
From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Subject: Testing username/password from DCL
Message-ID: <37abd$474c8f17$cef8887a$18988@TEKSAVVY.COM>
Say I have a DCL script that runs under the account WEB_SERVER which has
no privileges. (except tmpmbx and netmbx).
That script gets a request with a username/password as parameters.
What would be the best/easiest way to test those prior to sending the
results back to the remote user ? And would there be a way to test for a
privilege ?
Would opening a DECNET task or just attempting to type a some file
aka:
$TYPE/OUTPUT=NLA0:-
0"''username' ''password'"::SYS$MANAGER:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM
Be sufficient ? (and then use ON ERROR to detect a failure). This would
require an implicit file access to that file (either via a SYSTEM
account, or someone with SYSPRV).
Would having a few SET NOVERIFY in the procedure ensure that the
username/passowrd is never written to any log file ?
I would also have to ensure the username and password fields are not
empty to ensure no default proxies are used (since the WEB_SERVER
account needs some proxies for itself).
Or would it be considered far more secure/safe/efficient to write an
application installed with privileges that checks the
username/password/privs via $GETUAI system service ?
Is there any sample code that verifies a password and if wrong, does the
right calls to log that failed login attempt ?
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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:59:34 GMT
From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG
Subject: Re: Testing username/password from DCL
Message-ID: <aY33j.87$UA1.14@newsfe10.lga>
In article <37abd$474c8f17$cef8887a$18988@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:
>
>
>Say I have a DCL script that runs under the account WEB_SERVER which has
>no privileges. (except tmpmbx and netmbx).
>
>That script gets a request with a username/password as parameters.
>
>What would be the best/easiest way to test those prior to sending the
>results back to the remote user ? And would there be a way to test for a
>privilege ?
>
>Would opening a DECNET task or just attempting to type a some file
>aka:
>$TYPE/OUTPUT=NLA0:-
> 0"''username' ''password'"::SYS$MANAGER:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM
>
>Be sufficient ? (and then use ON ERROR to detect a failure). This would
>require an implicit file access to that file (either via a SYSTEM
>account, or someone with SYSPRV).
Seems pretty heavy to create a process and do network I/O, even if it
is minimal, to check/validate a username/password. Why not write a
program -- which can be installed with the necessary privies -- to do
the check?
>Would having a few SET NOVERIFY in the procedure ensure that the
>username/passowrd is never written to any log file ?
>
>I would also have to ensure the username and password fields are not
>empty to ensure no default proxies are used (since the WEB_SERVER
>account needs some proxies for itself).
>
>Or would it be considered far more secure/safe/efficient to write an
>application installed with privileges that checks the
>username/password/privs via $GETUAI system service ?
I would.
>Is there any sample code that verifies a password and if wrong, does the
>right calls to log that failed login attempt ?
Is there some reason why you'd want this to be DCL only?
--
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"Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"
http://tmesis.com/drat.html
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Date: 27 Nov 2007 22:44:39 -0600
From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)
Subject: Re: Testing username/password from DCL
Message-ID: <xY6ncf7CONUe@eisner.encompasserve.org>
In article <aY33j.87$UA1.14@newsfe10.lga>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:
> In article <37abd$474c8f17$cef8887a$18988@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:
>>Or would it be considered far more secure/safe/efficient to write an
>>application installed with privileges that checks the
>>username/password/privs via $GETUAI system service ?
Note that $GETUAI should only be used if you require this to work on VAX.
Otherwise, use $ACM in order to take advantage of breakin evasion and
auditing.
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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:03:06 GMT
From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>
Subject: Re: Testing username/password from DCL
Message-ID: <uw73j.202855$Xa3.194270@attbi_s22>
JF Mezei wrote:
> Say I have a DCL script that runs under the account WEB_SERVER which has
> no privileges. (except tmpmbx and netmbx).
>
> That script gets a request with a username/password as parameters.
>
> What would be the best/easiest way to test those prior to sending the
> results back to the remote user ? And would there be a way to test for a
> privilege ?
>
> Would opening a DECNET task or just attempting to type a some file
> aka:
> $TYPE/OUTPUT=NLA0:-
> 0"''username' ''password'"::SYS$MANAGER:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM
>
> Be sufficient ? (and then use ON ERROR to detect a failure). This would
> require an implicit file access to that file (either via a SYSTEM
> account, or someone with SYSPRV).
On the commercial systems that I used to manage, that method would
always fail. SYLOGIN.COM had code in it to disable all non-proxy decnet
logins.
It made sure that no one put a username and password combination in a
command file to remotely access a production machine. Incoming FTP was
also disabled for most accounts.
> Or would it be considered far more secure/safe/efficient to write an
> application installed with privileges that checks the
> username/password/privs via $GETUAI system service ?
>
> Is there any sample code that verifies a password and if wrong, does the
> right calls to log that failed login attempt ?
I am not aware of any sample code.
I do know that a frequent mistake is to validate the passwords on
disabled accounts, or to ignore other login restrictions.
And as LJK posted, for newer releases you can use the ACM$ calls, on
VAX, you need to generate the intrusion calls other logging manually.
-John
wb8tyw@qsl.network
Personal Opinion Only
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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:09:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Sue <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com>
Subject: Update on Friday's Blade Short take
Message-ID: <611bcec1-32af-4939-8b45-ec39ecfe4262@x69g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>
Thank you very much for everyone that has signed up for Friday's Blade
web cast. HP has gotten a larger room as a result of customer
participation. Just in case you are not part of my email list here is
the original note that went out.
This is one of my favorites because it is the first OpenVMS Short take
and this training is not usually offered for free so customers really
win. There is a VMS Blade session being offered for FREE by HP through
the Technical On Line Seminar group http://www.hp.com/hps/tos/
OpenVMS on Blades: Updates and Futures (Short Take event)
This 1-hour training event focuses on the OpenVMS 8.3-1H1 release and
its support of c-Class Integrity HP Blade System environments. Topics
include supported Blade System servers, storage, IO interconnects,
boot options, system management support, and operating system
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The seminar is aimed at system administrators who manage c-Class Blade
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Offered: November 30, 2007
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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:45:42 -0600
From: "Forster, Michael" <mforster@mcw.edu>
Subject: RE: VIOC: sizing and performance
Message-ID: <3261933EB7678946A50C0314A1AAC07B1782620B@MCWMAIL.mcwcorp.net>
Sorry, I confused Cerner with Epic running on InterSystems' Cache.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken.Fairfield@gmail.com [mailto:Ken.Fairfield@gmail.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 10:46 AM
To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com
Subject: Re: VIOC: sizing and performance
My apologies for insufficient information in the post Michael is
following-up. It was a hurried
post last thing in the evening from home. I'm forced to use Google
Groups from work, which
is just a huge spam magnet if I use it for posting, but here goes
anyway...
On Nov 14, 9:43 pm, "Forster, Michael" <mfors...@mcw.edu> wrote:
> What are your Cache resident memory section sizings and how much total
and free physical memory?
OK, we're running VMS 7.3-2 with ECO's current as of last Spring,
e.g., UPDATE-V0900 and friends installed.
The systems have the 1.3 GHz CPUs. Database node is 12 CPUs and 40GB
memory. The application
server nodes each have 14 CPUs and 32 GB of memory. The database is
Oracle 9.2.0.5 and we've
got something like 23.5 GB of reserved memory for Oracle SGAs.
Show Memory/Full lists these three nodes as having the following about
of VIOC cache reserved, etc.:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------
SYSMAN> do pipe sho mem/ful | sear sys$pipe "virtual i/o"/wind=3D(0,2)
%SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node DBB1
Virtual I/O Cache: Total Free In Use
Cache Memory (MBytes) 250.00 157.10 92.89
Granularity Hint Regions (pages): Total Free In Use
Released
%SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node APP1
Virtual I/O Cache: Total Free In Use
Cache Memory (MBytes) 250.00 24.14 225.85
Granularity Hint Regions (pages): Total Free In Use
Released
%SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node APP2
Virtual I/O Cache: Total Free In Use
Cache Memory (MBytes) 375.00 0.00 375.00
Granularity Hint Regions (pages): Total Free In Use
Released
SYSMAN>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------
Sorry, the output looks kind of funky in proportional fonts...
>
> Cache and Oracle systems have their own memory structures and are not
benefitted by XFC.
> On AIX nodes we would reduce the file cache sizing as to not take
memory away from Cache
> memory structures.
Again, this is VIOC, *not* XFC*. And I'm not particularly concerned
about the database
node. And 250 MB is not a big hit on a 40GB machine. :-)
> What software is on the tier two?
Its Cerner's Millennium. Thought I said that in the previous post...
> Any Cache server page applications?
Sorry, I don't understand the question.
-Ken
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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:52:28 -0600
From: pechter@pcp09822625pcs.eatntn01.nj.comcast.net (Bill Pechter)
Subject: Re: Why does DECnet Phase IV have more capabilities on VAX than on
Message-ID: <8OSdnbCop8GRadHanZ2dnUVZ_tfinZ2d@comcast.com>
In article <07110711415537_202002A8@antinode.org>,
Steven M. Schweda <sms@antinode.org> wrote:
>From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)
>
>> DDCMP is a line level protocol over synchronous serial lines. You
>> could, in principle, put something other than DECnet on top of it.
>> It is not DECnet over asynchronous serial lines.
>
> Synchronous, eh? I wonder how I ever got it working between a couple
>of asynchronous serial ports with asynchronous modems. I must have been
>in some parallel universe. (Perhaps a parallel serial universe?)
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org
> 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818
> Saint Paul MN 55105-2547
Yup... and it ran serial from my PDT11/150 (async) to the Vax at DEC
Princeton support.
It was something else to set host into a VAX from the PDT... even at
2400 baud async.
Bill
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Be comforted that in the face of all erridity and disallusionment, and
despite the changing fortunes of time, there is always a big future in
computer maintainance. --Deteriorata (pechter-at-gmail-dot-com)
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