INFO-VAX Tue, 27 Nov 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 650 Contents: 2 Days to end of Xp1000 Give-away Re: HP loses another large customer Re: HP loses another large customer Re: HP loses another large customer Re: HP loses another large customer Re: POP attacks and NOSLOT errors Re: PROCESS_SCAN.COM (or an example of what DCL can do) Re: RFC: Cluster status on a mobile handset Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:04:21 -0500 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: 2 Days to end of Xp1000 Give-away Message-ID: <13ko5iej6ujftfe@news.supernews.com> You have two more days people ! 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If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from all computers. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Nov 2007 01:21:43 -0600 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: HP loses another large customer Message-ID: <$DXUdbVgbWzC@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > In article <474AFAED.5040108@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > >> The idea behind OO is that you represent an "object" as a package >> consisting of a data structure and all the allowed operations, called >> methods, on that data structure. If the language in use requires OO, >> you can't easily do stupid things like trying to add two windows or >> multiply a window by a file! > > I'm quite sure I could do both of those in C++. 8( Those are _not_ easy to do in Ada 83, which did not have the big Object Oriented upgrade of Ada 95. So while Object Oriented features might be appropriate for some purposes, they are not needed to avoid adding two windows or multiplying a window by a file. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Nov 2007 11:59:03 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: HP loses another large customer Message-ID: <5r2f47F12a2f9U1@mid.individual.net> In article <$DXUdbVgbWzC@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: > In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >> In article <474AFAED.5040108@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: >> >>> The idea behind OO is that you represent an "object" as a package >>> consisting of a data structure and all the allowed operations, called >>> methods, on that data structure. If the language in use requires OO, >>> you can't easily do stupid things like trying to add two windows or >>> multiply a window by a file! >> >> I'm quite sure I could do both of those in C++. 8( > > Those are _not_ easy to do in Ada 83, which did not have the big > Object Oriented upgrade of Ada 95. So while Object Oriented > features might be appropriate for some purposes, they are not > needed to avoid adding two windows or multiplying a window by a file. And, of course, neither covers the case when you actually did want to add two windows or multiply a window by a file. :-) bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 27 Nov 2007 07:33:26 -0600 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: HP loses another large customer Message-ID: In article <5r2f47F12a2f9U1@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > In article <$DXUdbVgbWzC@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: >> In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >>> In article <474AFAED.5040108@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: >>> >>>> The idea behind OO is that you represent an "object" as a package >>>> consisting of a data structure and all the allowed operations, called >>>> methods, on that data structure. If the language in use requires OO, >>>> you can't easily do stupid things like trying to add two windows or >>>> multiply a window by a file! >>> >>> I'm quite sure I could do both of those in C++. 8( >> >> Those are _not_ easy to do in Ada 83, which did not have the big >> Object Oriented upgrade of Ada 95. So while Object Oriented >> features might be appropriate for some purposes, they are not >> needed to avoid adding two windows or multiplying a window by a file. > > And, of course, neither covers the case when you actually did want to > add two windows or multiply a window by a file. :-) Anyone who finds themself wanting to add two windows should actually be programming direct to the XQP and setting up cathedral windows ! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:25:06 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: HP loses another large customer Message-ID: <474C28C2.5020302@comcast.net> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article <$DXUdbVgbWzC@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: > >>In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >> >>>In article <474AFAED.5040108@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: >>> >>> >>>>The idea behind OO is that you represent an "object" as a package >>>>consisting of a data structure and all the allowed operations, called >>>>methods, on that data structure. If the language in use requires OO, >>>>you can't easily do stupid things like trying to add two windows or >>>>multiply a window by a file! >>> >>> I'm quite sure I could do both of those in C++. 8( >> >>Those are _not_ easy to do in Ada 83, which did not have the big >>Object Oriented upgrade of Ada 95. So while Object Oriented >>features might be appropriate for some purposes, they are not >>needed to avoid adding two windows or multiplying a window by a file. > > > And, of course, neither covers the case when you actually did want to > add two windows or multiply a window by a file. :-) > > bill > If you DO actually want to add two windows or multiply a window by a file, I DON'T want you anywhere near my systems! You have been WARNED! ------------------------------ Date: 27 Nov 2007 12:04:13 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: POP attacks and NOSLOT errors Message-ID: <5r2fdtF12a2f9U2@mid.individual.net> In article <474B78E9.9000108@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > Peter Weaver wrote: >>> ... >>> The real issue is, given a (weak) protocol like POP or FTP, how does VMS >>> and the network stack deal with a breakin attempt like a dictionary >>> attack? We all know what would happen if a computerized dictionary attack >>> was launched against a hardwired port on a VMS system. Unless a valid >>> username/password was guessed in the first couple of times, breakin >>> evasion goes into effect and the attacker won't get in even if he does >>> eventually manage to guess a valid user/password pair. But the POP >>> breakin doesn't trigger breakin evasion. If the attacker guesses a valid >>> user/password on the 10,000th attempt, he's in. >>> >>> This has nothing to do with the weakness of POP or other TCPIP protocols. >>> The same would be true if there was no breakin evasion for DECnet SET >>> HOST. >> >> >> Exactly right. Luckily in my case after 13,966 attempts the idiot never >> even hit a single valid username, considering my minimum passwords are >> set to 10 (my main account has a 21 character password right now and >> that username/password is only used if I am using SSH to access the >> system) they would have to try for a long time before they got anywhere. >> But the attack did cause a DOS. > > Have you considered a counterattack? If you could hack into the > attacker's system and, say, format his disk. . . . :-) Actually, the > attacker may be using a zombied PC as a proxy. Ever watch football on TV? Who usually gets the penelty, the guy who takes the first shot or the guy who retaliates? bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:10:17 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Cayemberg Subject: Re: PROCESS_SCAN.COM (or an example of what DCL can do) Message-ID: <421b2b6e-52e6-4499-88f9-a30234ede6f9@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com> Dear OpenVMS Community, Aaron Sakovich has now corrected my earlier truncated PROCESS_SCAN.COM posting to DCL.OpenVMS.Org. It also has a new URL... http://dcl.openvms.org/stories.php?story=3D07/11/25/2406271 Attention: Jan-Erik S=F6derholm and Jeff Campbell the copies on your web sites appear to still have errors which show up when using the the procedure in 80 Column screen mode. Joseph Huber appears to have a working version when also not identical to my original. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------ This "DCL Program" (1867 lines) provides powerful process scanning capabilities giving detailed JPI process context variable information about any processes on the same node or cluster. The processes to be displayed can be specified using multiple selection criteria. A VT220 compatible terminal is assumed. The procedure adapts the number of columns displayed automatically when the screen is in 80 column or 132 column mode. Single pass and continuous display modes are supported. The continuous display mode can be exited only using Control-C. The continuous mode will also change the page length of the screen automatically when needed, if your terminal emulation supports the VT function correctly. DECwindow's DECterm supports this functionality the best. For a more complete HELP description and many more capabilities, start the procedure with a question mark "?" as the first command line parameter. Some of the useful things you can do with this procedure: * find all processes running a specific image, or any image within a specific directory tree. * find all processes with a specific quota exhausted to a specified percentage. * count the number of times processes with a specific set of attributes exist during a period of time. * call this procedure from your own, and use the global variables created that give the identifying attributes of the first or last process that PROCESS_SCAN found. * watch the processes of another cluster node and their changing attributes as that node boots, BEFORE the System Manager can log-on to the booting node, and BEFORE TCP/IP or DECnet has been loaded on that node. Happy 30th OpenVMS Anniversary to the OpenVMS Community! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:56:38 -0500 From: "Ken Robinson" Subject: Re: RFC: Cluster status on a mobile handset Message-ID: <7dd80f60711270356x7a9c4c8dk8ca04cb939c4d807@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 26, 2007 10:53 AM, JF Mezei wrote (in part): > http: // wap.vaxination.ca / clu > > pressing key 0 gets you to the top, > 1 gets you to general cluster status > 2 gets you to list of nodes > 3 gets you list of disks > 4 gets you the list of queues. I just took a look at this on my VerizonWireless LG-VX9400. Impressive. > > Would appreciate any comments you might have on the format, structure, > how to make it easier to get to the data, and what data should be added > (or removed) from it. One thing I didn't like was that you load the all the information each time and just go to the section requested. It would be much better just to display to requested section and/or the menu. Also, when I displayed the information for the VAX, the temperature shows a very low temp, since the VAX can't show the temp. It would be better not to display the temp on a VAX. > > > (I'll be doing additional work for authentication later on since > obviously, you don't want the world to look under the hood of your cluster). > > Am thinking about adding colours to the disk usage. Above what > percentage of usage should a disk become yellow and above what > percentage should it become red ? This should be customizable for each installation and possibly different for large disks vs. small disks. > > If there is interest, I would release it to the community. The DCL is > generic enough to run an any machine. I would be very interested in seeing/using the code. Ken Robinson ------------------------------ Date: 27 Nov 2007 08:03:06 +0100 From: eplan@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY Message-ID: <474bcf3a@news.langstoeger.at> In article <89655$474ac9d3$cef8887a$32349@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: >HELP on 8.3 says "Reserved for us by HP". > >What happens if I type that command ? %DCL-W-VALREQ, missing qualifier or keyword value - supply all required values You know, for SEVMS you need(ed) some more commands/qualifiers... -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:06:14 -0500 From: bradhamilton Subject: Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY Message-ID: <474BDE06.6030504@comcast.net> Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: > In article <89655$474ac9d3$cef8887a$32349@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: >> HELP on 8.3 says "Reserved for us by HP". >> >> What happens if I type that command ? > > %DCL-W-VALREQ, missing qualifier or keyword value - supply all required values > > You know, for SEVMS you need(ed) some more commands/qualifiers... > $ set sec/sec=cia %DCL-W-NOPAREN, value improperly delimited - supply parenthesis \CIA\ $ set sec/sec=(cia) I'm not sure I want to go any further, since I don't have security clearance... :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:09:23 -0500 From: bradhamilton Subject: Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY Message-ID: <474BDEC3.9070808@comcast.net> Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: > In article <89655$474ac9d3$cef8887a$32349@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: >> HELP on 8.3 says "Reserved for us by HP". >> >> What happens if I type that command ? > > %DCL-W-VALREQ, missing qualifier or keyword value - supply all required values > > You know, for SEVMS you need(ed) some more commands/qualifiers... > Whoops - that should read: $ set sec/sec=cia %DCL-W-NOPAREN, value improperly delimited - supply parenthesis \CIA\ $ set sec/sec=(cia) _Object: Exit $ create foo.tmp Exit $ set sec/sec=(cia) foo.tmp Now I'm in real trouble... :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:41:21 -0800 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:09:23 -0800, bradhamilton = wrote: > Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: >> In article <89655$474ac9d3$cef8887a$32349@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei = >> writes: >>> HELP on 8.3 says "Reserved for us by HP". >>> >>> What happens if I type that command ? >> %DCL-W-VALREQ, missing qualifier or keyword value - supply all = >> required values >> You know, for SEVMS you need(ed) some more commands/qualifiers... >> > > Whoops - that should read: > $ set sec/sec=3Dcia > %DCL-W-NOPAREN, value improperly delimited - supply parenthesis > \CIA\ > $ set sec/sec=3D(cia) > _Object: Exit > $ create foo.tmp > Exit > $ set sec/sec=3D(cia) foo.tmp > > Now I'm in real trouble... :-) > > Does that actually do anything for the file attributes? -- = PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:07:35 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY Message-ID: "Tom Linden" writes: >On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:09:23 -0800, bradhamilton = > wrote: >> Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: >>> In article <89655$474ac9d3$cef8887a$32349@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei >>> writes: >>>> HELP on 8.3 says "Reserved for us by HP". >>>> >>>> What happens if I type that command ? >>> %DCL-W-VALREQ, missing qualifier or keyword value - supply all >>> required values >>> You know, for SEVMS you need(ed) some more commands/qualifiers... >>> >> >> Whoops - that should read: >> $ set sec/sec=cia >> %DCL-W-NOPAREN, value improperly delimited - supply parenthesis >> \CIA\ >> $ set sec/sec=(cia) >> _Object: Exit >> $ create foo.tmp >> Exit >> $ set sec/sec=(cia) foo.tmp >> >> Now I'm in real trouble... :-) >> >> >Does that actually do anything for the file attributes? FWIW, the qualifier value is an ACL of some sort. A few other SET commands also take /SECRECY as a parameter. If we don't hear from you, we'll know you found the answer or at least got close... ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.650 ************************