INFO-VAX Wed, 21 Nov 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 638 Contents: Re: Alpha newbie: ANALYZE/ERROR equivalent ? EDT command file line length limit ? Re: EDT command file line length limit ? Re: EDT command file line length limit ? Re: EDT command file line length limit ? Re: four VT100 terminals free Re: Getting Fortran to read CTRL/Z in a file as data Re: Getting Fortran to read CTRL/Z in a file as data Re: Getting Fortran to read CTRL/Z in a file as data Re: HP loses another large customer Re: HP loses another large customer Re: Looking for a TPU section that does automatic word wrap Re: OpenVMS Blades Webcast Putting a throttle on Apache (CSWS), or all of TCP Re: SFTP client compatibility Upgrading older Alpha storage from KZPSA to KZPBA Re: Upgrading older Alpha storage from KZPSA to KZPBA Re: VMS Media Kit ISO available for download? Re: VMS Media Kit ISO available for download? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:37:24 -0800 (PST) From: Volker Halle Subject: Re: Alpha newbie: ANALYZE/ERROR equivalent ? Message-ID: <224b57d5-2132-4fe9-a324-5c73f8069bcc@c29g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> JF, ELV is unable to translate most real-world errlog entries, so it's not too useful. At least there is a native errorlog viewer within OpenVMS again, which was missing since V7.1-2. For SCSI device related errors, DECevent is probably still the best tool. For CPU/memory-related errors on more recent machines, you'll need WEBES (SEA = System Event Analyzer). Volker. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 06:07:38 -0800 (PST) From: Pierre Subject: EDT command file line length limit ? Message-ID: hi all, I create text files modifying a template file with $ EDIT/EDT/ COMMAND=somefile.EDT, somefile.edt containing a few substitute commands. but.... when the _new_ string is a bit long, the substitution does not execute and EDT throws a "Invalid string" error. the command line looks like: S/oldstring/newstring/WHOLE the whole command line is less the 132 char of course, neither the oldstring not the newstring contains "/" any idea ? TIA, Pierre. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:21:20 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: EDT command file line length limit ? Message-ID: Pierre wrote: > hi all, > > I create text files modifying a template file with $ EDIT/EDT/ > COMMAND=somefile.EDT, somefile.edt containing a few substitute > commands. but.... when the _new_ string is a bit long, the > substitution does not execute and EDT throws a "Invalid string" > error. > > the command line looks like: > S/oldstring/newstring/WHOLE > > the whole command line is less the 132 char > of course, neither the oldstring not the newstring contains "/" > > any idea ? > > TIA, > Pierre. Is "newstring" (much) longer then "oldstring" ? Is the max line lenght for EDT (256 char ?) hit ? Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 06:28:32 -0800 (PST) From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel Subject: Re: EDT command file line length limit ? Message-ID: <3b9c80ac-b2c3-4f08-b1da-05b62a6e6619@w28g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Nov 21, 9:07 am, Pierre wrote: > hi all, > > I create text files modifying a template file with $ EDIT/EDT/ > COMMAND=somefile.EDT, somefile.edt containing a few substitute > commands. but.... when the _new_ string is a bit long, the > substitution does not execute and EDT throws a "Invalid string" SOL. The limit is 64 bytes. You can find this with google, "I feel lucky", : openvms edt replace "invalid string" http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=1158382 (of course it helped that I know there was an answer out there, from yours truly. :-) Cheers, Hein. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:52:55 -0800 (PST) From: Pierre Subject: Re: EDT command file line length limit ? Message-ID: <8c0b2870-0f66-4fae-80a5-f39f539d760b@b36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> thanks a lot :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:37:10 -0800 (PST) From: "jcwelch@hal-pc.org" Subject: Re: four VT100 terminals free Message-ID: <39d63a4e-7df2-4cf2-b2c2-5e1360544d88@b15g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> On Nov 20, 10:13 am, "Lee K. Gleason" wrote: > wrote in message > > news:18d41cc1-f68d-49be-9d7b-f835e826316e@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > > On Nov 19, 6:22 pm, "Lee K. Gleason" wrote: > > > I'm narrowing the scope of my collection (translation - no room for > > My wife would like for me to do the same. I have several boxes of > Ah, sorry, nope, don't have any RL02 drives. > [..] > Heck, I'm trying to get some space back....talk like that is like offering > a recovering alcoholinc a drink! I have an extra RL02. I could bring it by some evening and we could see if we could hook it up. What kind of beer do you drink? (Or if you prefer I will gladly spring for wine or whiskey) ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 2007 07:42:55 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Getting Fortran to read CTRL/Z in a file as data Message-ID: <7pqVBa30+uO5@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <47434BAC.7040005@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > Steve Lionel wrote: >> >> >> A one-byte CTRL-Z is how an ENDFILE record is implemented in VMS >> Fortran. You can, as others have noted, detect the endfile condition >> and keep reading. (This is a VMS Fortran extension - the Fortran >> standard does not allow this.) >> >> Steve (ex VMS Fortran developer) > > I'm a little surprised that VMS Fortran uses something other than the > RMS end-of-file! I thought CTRL/Z was a DOS/Windows thing. > ctrl/z is a VMS thing, actually pretty much a DEC thing long before VMS or DOS. DOS copied it. But I'm fairly surprised that there's a VMS Fortran extension that Steve didn't tell us how to turn off (can't be turned off?). We should be able to get ANSI behaviour without having to resort to coding workarounds with ERRSNS. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:45:03 -0500 From: sol gongola Subject: Re: Getting Fortran to read CTRL/Z in a file as data Message-ID: Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > Steve Lionel wrote: >> On Nov 15, 8:50 am, Tom Wade wrote: >> >> >>> I noticed that a Fortran program I wrote is interpreting a CTRL/Z buried >>> in a file as an end-of-file condition (I knew it took terminal CTRL/Z as >>> EOF, but I had never realized it did the same for files). Before I >>> rewrite the Fortran READs as calls to $GET, is there an easier way to >>> tell Fortran not to regard CTRL/Z as end-of-file ? >> >> >> A one-byte CTRL-Z is how an ENDFILE record is implemented in VMS >> Fortran. You can, as others have noted, detect the endfile condition >> and keep reading. (This is a VMS Fortran extension - the Fortran >> standard does not allow this.) >> >> Steve (ex VMS Fortran developer) > > I'm a little surprised that VMS Fortran uses something other than the > RMS end-of-file! I thought CTRL/Z was a DOS/Windows thing. > It is not a DOS thing. ASCII ctrl-z is defined as an end of media marker going way back to paper tape and asynchronus communications. A ctrl-z code told a program to stop reading data from that source. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 2007 12:19:19 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: Getting Fortran to read CTRL/Z in a file as data Message-ID: In article , sol gongola writes: > Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >> Steve Lionel wrote: >>> On Nov 15, 8:50 am, Tom Wade wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I noticed that a Fortran program I wrote is interpreting a CTRL/Z buried >>>> in a file as an end-of-file condition (I knew it took terminal CTRL/Z as >>>> EOF, but I had never realized it did the same for files). Before I >>>> rewrite the Fortran READs as calls to $GET, is there an easier way to >>>> tell Fortran not to regard CTRL/Z as end-of-file ? >>> >>> >>> A one-byte CTRL-Z is how an ENDFILE record is implemented in VMS >>> Fortran. You can, as others have noted, detect the endfile condition >>> and keep reading. (This is a VMS Fortran extension - the Fortran >>> standard does not allow this.) >>> >>> Steve (ex VMS Fortran developer) >> >> I'm a little surprised that VMS Fortran uses something other than the >> RMS end-of-file! I thought CTRL/Z was a DOS/Windows thing. >> > It is not a DOS thing. ASCII ctrl-z is defined as an end > of media marker going way back to paper tape and asynchronus > communications. A ctrl-z code told a program to stop reading > data from that source. Modulo implementation details, it is FORTRAN thing. $ help fortran statement endfile FORTRAN Statements ENDFILE Writes an end-of-file record to a sequential file and positions the file after this record (the terminal point). Statement format: ENDFILE ([UNIT=]io-unit[,ERR=label][,IOSTAT=i-var]) ENDFILE io-unit io-unit Is the logical unit specifier, optionally prefaced by UNIT=. UNIT= is required if unit is not the first I/O specifier. label Is the label of an executable statement that receives control if an error occurs, prefaced by ERR=. I don't know chapter and verse (presumably Steve Lionel does), but if the Fortran spec requires an end-of-file record as a concept distinct from physical end-of-file on the media and if you're going to emulate such a record under VMS, using a one byte record containing control-Z is as good a choice as any and better than most. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 2007 07:28:52 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: HP loses another large customer Message-ID: In article <5qg5q4FvmjuaU2@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > In article <13k4pj1fjm74j7d@corp.supernews.com>, > "Michael D. Ober" writes: >> "Main, Kerry" wrote in message >> news:C72D63EB292C9E49AED23F705C61957BDEBA430780@G1W0487.americas.hpqcorp.net... >> >> That's why virtualization is all the rage now. Neither Linux nor Windows >> was architected to easily configure and support multiple applications on the >> server side. > > What? As regards Linux, what part of multi-tasking do you not understand? The only reasons you can't host multiple applications on one Windows servers are: 1) they crash too often, which means multiple applcations would be unavailable if they were on the same server 2) they have too many security holes, which means one application's breakin would lead to multiple application's breach (MS always told us no to host a web service on a file server for just that reason) In other words, Windows sucks. The only reason you can't host multiple applications on Linux is because your IT manager thinks everything is as bad as MS. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 2007 07:32:43 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: HP loses another large customer Message-ID: In article <39f9c502-5247-4255-8b6e-c5fc5d673f70@b15g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, Doug Phillips writes: > On Nov 20, 10:54 am, yyyc186 wrote: >> >> Oh well, I look forward to the day in the not too distant future where >> HP's stock is trading below $12.00/share. > > Based on their latest earnings report & forecast, that won't likely be > anytime soon. The latest earnings reports shows that HP's fight with Lexmark over Lexmark's proprietary ink cartridges taught HP to sell ink in no uncertain manner. And HP has taken that lesson to the bank loud and clear. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:15:04 -0500 From: "Syltrem" Subject: Re: Looking for a TPU section that does automatic word wrap Message-ID: <13k8fb9hn46jf9@corp.supernews.com> Thanks for the code sample; that will get me started. Still unsure that FILL is the answer though. Not even sure I want to go the EVE/TPU route with this. I'm still in the thinking process. What I need if for people to enter thex and not have lines over 60 characters in length. But they may indent stuff or not leave a blank line between paragraphs, and I don't want to break their "nice" alignment if they do. Syltrem ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 2007 08:17:17 +0100 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: OpenVMS Blades Webcast Message-ID: <4743e98d$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article <5qg5m5FvmjuaU1@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >In article <9VA0j.626$R_4.538@newsb.telia.net>, > Jan-Erik Söderholm writes: >> > a gallon or two of gasoline at close to $3/gal. >> >> Should be at least $8-$10/gal, I'd say. >> Gasoline is *way* to cheap in the US. > >Gasoline is the same price here as it is over there. You just have more >taxes on it. Our's should not be more expensive, your government should >just get its hand out of your wallet. Of course, so should our's but >at least our's isn't as deep into it in the first place. Gasoline was at roughly the same price twenty years ago as it is now here. In handsight of the other prices which are now AT LEAST doubled, gasoline must be WELL OVER 2 Euro per liter. If this only works per taxes, so be it. Remember, oil is co2 which is not yet in the atmosphere. You can't have that much trees anywhere to get this co2 out of the atmosphere again. And after the lifetime of the trees, the co2 is back in the atmosphere again. So, the only way to keep this co2 out of the atmosphere is to not burn the oil. Simple, but hard to do, I know. nuff said -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:14:47 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lewis Subject: Putting a throttle on Apache (CSWS), or all of TCP Message-ID: I have one of my VMS boxes set up to record and save a certain radio show. As a service to my fellow fans out of the area, I make it available for download on the web, over my relatively slow DSL connection. The problem is I got a new ethernet switch, which seems to have a big buffer. It is killing the latency from my other machines. The ideal solution to this (short of IPv6 packet prioritization) would be to limit the Apache web server to a certain fixed bandwidth lower than my total available on DSL, so then the buffer would not fill up. A less desireable solution would be to put the bandwidth limit on TCPIP Services for OpenVMS as a whole. How? Pointers to docs on how to do either of these would be greatly appreciated. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 2007 07:37:23 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: SFTP client compatibility Message-ID: In article , DAVISM@ecr6.ohio-state.edu (Michael T. Davis) writes: > We're running... > > HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.5 > on an AlphaServer DS15 running OpenVMS V8.2 > > Is there a SFTP client for Mac OS X or Windows that works properly with the > SFTP "server" that comes bundled with this version of TCP/IP Services? I have > tried Fetch v5.2 (on the Mac) and CoreFTP (under Windows) and both have > "issues" presenting things from the server properly. Is there any hope for > proper presentation of ODS-5 volumes? I'm still happy using Filezilla on Windows, just don't tell the latest version you're talking to a VMS server. As for OS X, I still depend on the command line, but Fugu works if you're not on Intel (a Classic app). As far as ODS-5, that depends on whos server your VMS system is running. I believe the latest version of Multinet supports it, but I haven't had the opportunity to try it. I think the latest UCX HP TCP/IP serverices does to, but I have no intention of downgrading to that stack. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:47:23 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Jordan Subject: Upgrading older Alpha storage from KZPSA to KZPBA Message-ID: <58a2dc6e-481b-44f5-a92b-b732c17016af@d50g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> One of our older sites has two AS1000A 5/400 servers running dual shared SCSI busses with older BA356 towers. Drives are shadowed between the two busses. The system works fine but maintenance costs have reached a tipping point. We're looking at making the site self-maintaining for now by laying in a spares collection. One question came up. Can a KZPBA differential controller transparently replace a KZPSA differential controller? I know we won't see a performance boost (since the drives, towers, and DWZZB converters are all fast wide, not ultra-wide), but would the system have any issues with one or more KZPSA's being replaced with KZPBAs? Any configuration changes needed? Both controllers are listed as supported on the AS1000A platform. Systems are running VMS V7.3-2, fully updated. If we can use KZPBAs then we can also purchase ultrawide-capable drives, towers, and converters which are currently somewhat easier (and no more expensive) to get. Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 19:15:33 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Uusim=E4ki?= Subject: Re: Upgrading older Alpha storage from KZPSA to KZPBA Message-ID: <47446727$0$3207$9b536df3@news.fv.fi> Rich Jordan wrote: > One of our older sites has two AS1000A 5/400 servers running dual > shared SCSI busses with older BA356 towers. Drives are shadowed > between the two busses. The system works fine but maintenance costs > have reached a tipping point. > > We're looking at making the site self-maintaining for now by laying in > a spares collection. One question came up. Can a KZPBA differential > controller transparently replace a KZPSA differential controller? I > know we won't see a performance boost (since the drives, towers, and > DWZZB converters are all fast wide, not ultra-wide), but would the > system have any issues with one or more KZPSA's being replaced with > KZPBAs? Any configuration changes needed? Both controllers are > listed as supported on the AS1000A platform. > > Systems are running VMS V7.3-2, fully updated. > > If we can use KZPBAs then we can also purchase ultrawide-capable > drives, towers, and converters which are currently somewhat easier > (and no more expensive) to get. > > Thanks If you replace the adapters by taking the KZPSA out and putting the KZPBA-CB(-CY) in the same PCI slot, it should be transparent. If you put the new adapter in another slot, the device names might change. Regards, Kari ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:14:22 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: VMS Media Kit ISO available for download? Message-ID: <59bed$47442123$cef8887a$32503@TEKSAVVY.COM> Daryl Herkin wrote: > I came across SIMH and want to play around with it...can the software be > downloaded somewhere? Officially: NO Unofficially: YES, but you have to find a frendly VMS hobbyist who can do that for you. You need to specify what you need (in your case probably VAX VMS 7.3 and then some of the layered products you might need). If you unmunge my email address, you can contact me privately. Question: To make an "ISO", is it a question of doing a BACKUP/PHYSICAL of the VMS CD to some file, and then using ZIP to make that file smaller ? Or would one create a 600 meg LD drive and then use backup/image of the CD to the LD device ? (and then ZIP the LD container file for transfer). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:00:24 -0600 (CST) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: VMS Media Kit ISO available for download? Message-ID: <07112108002433_202002A8@antinode.org> From: JF Mezei > Question: To make an "ISO", is it a question of doing a BACKUP/PHYSICAL > of the VMS CD to some file, and then using ZIP to make that file smaller ? Only if you intend to use BACKUP /PHYSICAL to create the CD-ROM copy at the destination. Seems unlikely. > Or would one create a 600 meg LD drive and then use backup/image of the > CD to the LD device ? (and then ZIP the LD container file for transfer). One might create an LD container of (approximately) the smallest size which would work. A larger one wastes time when writing the CD copy. If all you want is a copy of a CD-ROM, you could just use MOUNT /FOREIGN and COPY to make the image file. If your time has any value, you'll probably wish to use SET RMS_DEFAULT to boost some parameters. Or see: http://antinode.org/dec/sw/qreadcd.html Or, you could use "readcd" from the cdrtools collection (which includes cdrecord). And, as we all know, a VMS VAX distribution CD-ROM holds an ODS2 file system, not an ISO 9660 file system, so an image of it only an image, not an "ISO" image. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.638 ************************