INFO-VAX Tue, 20 Nov 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 636 Contents: Alpha newbie: ANALYZE/ERROR equivalent ? Re: Alpha newbie: ANALYZE/ERROR equivalent ? Re: four VT100 terminals free Honey! I shrunk the process Re: HP loses another large customer Re: HP loses another large customer Re: HP loses another large customer Re: HP loses another large customer Re: HP loses another large customer Re: HP loses another large customer Re: HP loses another large customer Re: HP loses another large customer Re: Looking for a TPU section that does automatic word wrap Re: OpenVMS Blades Webcast Re: OpenVMS Blades Webcast Re: OpenVMS Blades Webcast Re: Out of consulting business? Re: SFTP client compatibility [OT] Out of consulting business? Re: [OT] Out of consulting business? Re: [OT] Out of consulting business? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 04:51:06 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Alpha newbie: ANALYZE/ERROR equivalent ? Message-ID: <3d873$4742ae0e$cef8887a$17768@TEKSAVVY.COM> Ok, I am stumped. I should know this but I don't. HELP ANA/ERROR says that I need to use ANA/ERROR/ELV for post 7.3 systems. ELV is said to be the "viewer". But running ELV, the only options seem to be to convert the file to a different format, of generate a VMS style dump file etc. Nothing to actually list any errors. There is mention of using the DECEVENT product. But when ivestigating, or doing HELP DIAGNOSE, one is told that those products are no longer supported but can be obtained via the freeware disks. So, for someone with 8.3, what is the supported way of having the functionality that VAX had with ANA/ERROR ? Seems rather odd that they would have removed a valuable functionality from VMS, especially when you consider that ANA/ERROR is the type of stuff HP support folks would ask a customer to do when they phone to report a problem with their machine. So what is the scoop ? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 02:09:07 -0800 (PST) From: IanMiller Subject: Re: Alpha newbie: ANALYZE/ERROR equivalent ? Message-ID: HELP ANAL/ERROR/ELV says $ ANALYZE/ERROR_LOG/ELV TRANSLATE ERRLOG.SYS; 42 the key word here being TRANSLATE ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:30:07 -0800 (PST) From: "jcwelch@hal-pc.org" Subject: Re: four VT100 terminals free Message-ID: <18d41cc1-f68d-49be-9d7b-f835e826316e@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On Nov 19, 6:22 pm, "Lee K. Gleason" wrote: > I'm narrowing the scope of my collection (translation - no room for > everything anymore). I have four VT100s, in pretty good shape, and a few Lee, My wife would like for me to do the same. I have several boxes of RLO2 platters that I need to convert to images so I can play with them on SIMH or something like that before giving away my herd of 11's. I was wondering if you had a rig that would read and RL02 and could turn it into an image? I have a bunch of 04's, 34's a 23 and a 44, (some of them boot!) but so far I have not been able to get enogh things to talk to each other at the same time to do the job. I found a program that would run from linux, (can't remember the name) but it would transfer boot code to the 11 through a serial port to the console connector and then you could mount a volume and transmit across the console serial line and save it as an image. I got it running on a 34 but that 34 did not have a RL02, so I hooked it to the console of the 44 and found out the 44 uses different addresses/boot card:-( Then I moved and now nothing works. Also, I live up the road in Spring. If you can help me I can give you all my 11 stuff in trade, or sell it on e-bay and give you the proceedes or better yet my wife make the best pie crust anybod has ever tasted. Hopefully we can work something out. Maybe we could start a Houston DEC users group. If there is one already in town I would love to know about it. John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 01:19:55 -0800 (PST) From: gorecroot Subject: Honey! I shrunk the process Message-ID: Before: Go to job board Pay for a year Search resumes, filter Worry about accuracy, though nothing much could be done Download resumes one by one Or, depend on the job board's over used and abused (to the extent of spam) broadcasts Manual resume scavenging Pull out email IDs and phone numbers Call (and be surprised that the candidate has nothing to do with your requirements) Scamper to get some schedules Best case: 500 resumes ran through in a day, and some schedules with luck and the recruiting God smiling at us Now: http://www.gorecroot.com/ Search (Oh we do not pay for access anymore) Filter - 19 filters, this is fun Preview samples, fine tune search again Drill down to a good basket of 75 - that's something that me and my peer can cover in an hour Pay and buy - just the 75 (not for the year, the money I saved will go into business development, you see) I could pick up a basket for Euro 10 - no kidding Download - do not bother Generated a report of just phone numbers and name for us to call Generate a report of skills and name for the interviewer (not resume dressing needed anymore) We select candidates for skills not for their resume formats Are you asking, where this can be done? www.gorecroot.com - True customer oriented eCommerce approach to recruiting services - That is truly a first ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:13:33 +0100 From: Michael Kraemer Subject: Re: HP loses another large customer Message-ID: JF Mezei schrieb: > BBC just reported HP increasing its profits by 28%, beating industry > estimates, being the #1 PC maker bla bla bla. No mention of ink. And of > course no mention of enterprise business. > > The loss of the remaining VMS customers won't make a blip on the radar. It wouldn't even make a blip if they would dump BCS altogether next week. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:49:02 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: HP loses another large customer Message-ID: BBC just reported HP increasing its profits by 28%, beating industry estimates, being the #1 PC maker bla bla bla. No mention of ink. And of course no mention of enterprise business. The loss of the remaining VMS customers won't make a blip on the radar. This is similar to the big cable/DSL ISPs. They constantly implement bad policies that turn away existing customers, but as long as they get more new customers than they lose, then their quarterly repports show positive growth and nobody dicsusses the huge problems and thousands of lost customers. If HP were having problems, then its mistreatment of VMS might get some media/shareholder scrutiny. But as it stands, there is no hope. We will see 8.4 but I doubt at this point in time we would see another release after that. There would only be "hardware" releases in case there are new IA64 boxes still being produced in a couple of years. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:00:48 +0100 From: Michael Kraemer Subject: Re: HP loses another large customer Message-ID: Main, Kerry schrieb: > Well, imho, with the massive move towards much more centralized, so you are trying to tell us "everybody" is massively moving to centralized VMS installations these days ? I think it is plain to see that the opposite is true. > much > more secure and highly available solutions at much lower costs (read > staffing and admin per OS instances which make up 60-70% of the typical > IT budget), I suspect the "new" dinosaurs emerging are those that think > distributed systems and the one business application per OS instance > culture associated with some platforms is the way of the future. > What a silly reply. The OPs complain about losing business because HP has nothing to offer in VMS / PL/I space and you come up with the same old drivel about centralization which nobody here is interested in, unless it occurs on VMS. If you speak on behalf of HP, it's pathetic. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2007 13:29:40 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: HP loses another large customer Message-ID: <5qg5q4FvmjuaU2@mid.individual.net> In article <13k4pj1fjm74j7d@corp.supernews.com>, "Michael D. Ober" writes: > "Main, Kerry" wrote in message > news:C72D63EB292C9E49AED23F705C61957BDEBA430780@G1W0487.americas.hpqcorp.net... > > That's why virtualization is all the rage now. Neither Linux nor Windows > was architected to easily configure and support multiple applications on the > server side. What? As regards Linux, what part of multi-tasking do you not understand? bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2007 13:31:28 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: HP loses another large customer Message-ID: <5qg5tgFvmjuaU3@mid.individual.net> In article , Michael Kraemer writes: > Main, Kerry schrieb: > >> Well, imho, with the massive move towards much more centralized, > > so you are trying to tell us "everybody" is massively > moving to centralized VMS installations these days ? > I think it is plain to see that the opposite is true. > >> much >> more secure and highly available solutions at much lower costs (read >> staffing and admin per OS instances which make up 60-70% of the typical >> IT budget), I suspect the "new" dinosaurs emerging are those that think >> distributed systems and the one business application per OS instance >> culture associated with some platforms is the way of the future. >> > > What a silly reply. > The OPs complain about losing business because > HP has nothing to offer in VMS / PL/I space and you come > up with the same old drivel about centralization which > nobody here is interested in, unless it occurs on VMS. > If you speak on behalf of HP, it's pathetic. I often hace to ask myself, after reading some of Kerry's drivel, if he is the ultimate corporate shill or could he really have his head so far in the sand that he truly believes what he writes. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:34:36 -0800 (PST) From: yyyc186 Subject: Re: HP loses another large customer Message-ID: <2b9b654f-e5c3-4317-9f2c-eeb28b7bc77a@b32g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> On Nov 20, 7:29 am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > In article <13k4pj1fjm74...@corp.supernews.com>, > "Michael D. Ober" writes: > > > "Main, Kerry" wrote in message > >news:C72D63EB292C9E49AED23F705C61957BDEBA430780@G1W0487.americas.hpqcorp.net... > > > That's why virtualization is all the rage now. Neither Linux nor Windows > > was architected to easily configure and support multiple applications on the > > server side. > > What? As regards Linux, what part of multi-tasking do you not understand? > > bill > > -- > Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves > b...@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton | > Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include Threads are what you get when you didn't get a real OS to start with. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:42:08 -0800 (PST) From: yyyc186 Subject: Re: HP loses another large customer Message-ID: <2036a76c-a695-4b63-9fb7-d3a87194d7b9@d50g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Nov 19, 11:49 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > BBC just reported HP increasing its profits by 28%, beating industry > estimates, being the #1 PC maker bla bla bla. No mention of ink. And of > course no mention of enterprise business. > > The loss of the remaining VMS customers won't make a blip on the radar. > > If HP were having problems, then its mistreatment of VMS might get some > media/shareholder scrutiny. But as it stands, there is no hope. We will > see 8.4 but I doubt at this point in time we would see another release > after that. There would only be "hardware" releases in case there are > new IA64 boxes still being produced in a couple of years. We all have learned from Enron just how creative accounting can be. Anyone watching the ads from Dell and Gateway seeing sub $800 PC's can tell this is a low margin business. The same CPU's used in those low end PC's are being put in blades sold for a much higher price where they suffer a quicker death from heat and constant operation. This will continue until the Gartner Group is paid to market something else to the industry. What HP hasn't realized is that nearly every customer leaving VMS is leaving HP completely, not even buying their PC's for desktops or notebooks or printers. Some are moving to AIX, others are moving to Ubuntu. By the time HP realizes it, their stock will be trading below $12.00/share. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:54:26 -0800 (PST) From: yyyc186 Subject: Re: HP loses another large customer Message-ID: <6c04064e-20a3-44d7-891a-8cbcafcb6b27@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Nov 20, 1:00 am, Michael Kraemer wrote: > Main, Kerry schrieb: > > > Well, imho, with the massive move towards much more centralized, > > so you are trying to tell us "everybody" is massively > moving to centralized VMS installations these days ? > I think it is plain to see that the opposite is true. > > > much > > more secure and highly available solutions at much lower costs (read > > staffing and admin per OS instances which make up 60-70% of the typical > > IT budget), I suspect the "new" dinosaurs emerging are those that think > > distributed systems and the one business application per OS instance > > culture associated with some platforms is the way of the future. > > What a silly reply. > The OPs complain about losing business because > HP has nothing to offer in VMS / PL/I space and you come > up with the same old drivel about centralization which > nobody here is interested in, unless it occurs on VMS. > If you speak on behalf of HP, it's pathetic. He just doesn't word it correctly. He isn't completely wrong. Server consolidation is an attempt to mash 8 or more application instances on a single $800 PC now sold as a $5000 blade. While many companies are siting the reduction in power costs, the real reason behind it is that they need 3 people per $800 PC just to keep it running, and it still needs a 2 hour window each night to apply virus and OS patches, sometimes in the middle of the day even. (Of course HP-UX has the industry rep of Hourly Patches, but we won't go there.) No version of Unix or Windows does multi-tasking correctly, so they resort to the same pathetic architecture they've always used...task switching and threads. Each virtual instance is a task that gets switched between or a thread which gets switched between, depending upon what cheap OS is running on the $5000 $800 PC. Oh well, I look forward to the day in the not too distant future where HP's stock is trading below $12.00/share. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 05:46:06 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Looking for a TPU section that does automatic word wrap Message-ID: <74e43$4742baef$cef8887a$32657@TEKSAVVY.COM> Syltrem wrote: > Hi ! > > Does anyone know of a TPU section file that would do automatic word wrapping After hours of tireless non-stop research I have found an even simpler solution: to get you to command mode, and then type SET WRAP followed by carriage return. SET NOWRAP to disable it. YOu can define some key to do a FILL and whenever you make changes that don't autowrap the paragraph, you can press the key. HELP SET WRAP will give you a good overview of the word wrap functionlity in TPU. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2007 07:22:41 -0600 From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) Subject: Re: OpenVMS Blades Webcast Message-ID: In article <39A0j.4$bQ2.1@newsfe08.lga>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > > I didn't see anything in terms of instructions when I followed the initially > posted link -- only a registration page. > > I assume all but those using that Redmond company's warez have been left > out. I registered anyway just to show a VMS interest to the HP folks. > Actually, if you follow through the links to the system requirements listed here: https://www.rooms.hp.com/requirements/default.aspx you will see that even Vista is not supported (but Linux is :-)). Simon. -- Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP Microsoft: Bringing you 1980's technology to a 21st century world ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2007 13:27:33 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: OpenVMS Blades Webcast Message-ID: <5qg5m5FvmjuaU1@mid.individual.net> In article <9VA0j.626$R_4.538@newsb.telia.net>, Jan-Erik Söderholm writes: > > a gallon or two of gasoline at close to $3/gal. > > Should be at least $8-$10/gal, I'd say. > Gasoline is *way* to cheap in the US. Gasoline is the same price here as it is over there. You just have more taxes on it. Our's should not be more expensive, your government should just get its hand out of your wallet. Of course, so should our's but at least our's isn't as deep into it in the first place. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2007 15:19:20 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: OpenVMS Blades Webcast Message-ID: <5qgc7oF103ndrU1@mid.individual.net> In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > In article <5qg5m5FvmjuaU1@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >> >> >>In article <9VA0j.626$R_4.538@newsb.telia.net>, >> Jan-Erik Söderholm writes: >>> > a gallon or two of gasoline at close to $3/gal. >>> >>> Should be at least $8-$10/gal, I'd say. >>> Gasoline is *way* to cheap in the US. >> >>Gasoline is the same price here as it is over there. You just have more >>taxes on it. Our's should not be more expensive, your government should >>just get its hand out of your wallet. Of course, so should our's but >>at least our's isn't as deep into it in the first place. > > I agree wholeheartedly Bill. > > BTW, ours is the possessive pronoun. Yeah, but vi doesn't have a spell checker and I never really cared. Just because english is my first language doesn't mean it's my favorite. It is interesting that how much pleasure Americans get out of correcting each other's english. When I first lived in Germany and was just learning the language I wanted people to correct me so I would learn but the Germans would not do that as they considered it bad manners to criticize my paltry attempts at learning what they considered a difficult language. As long as they could understand the meaning of what I said, they would never let on that I had screwed it up un-mercifully. Of course, I could always tell when I made a major mistake because the kids would all start to giggle. :-) bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:41:42 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: Out of consulting business? Message-ID: On Nov 20, 1:15 am, Didier_Toulouse wrote: > Hello Friends, > > After 22 years of VMS consulting, I ran out of business in 2003. I had > to find something else to do to feed my family, so I opened a computer > shop and repair center in Toulouse, then I started to sell video > games, then airsoft guns. Today, I run a weaponry, I became gunsmith. > > In case you like firearms and you are running out of business, I am > looking for independent agents wolrdwide, following an increasing > success (after the recent Eurosatory and Milipol shows) in selling > airsoft replicas and other realistic paintball markers (RAM) in France > for force on force training. > > Should you be interested, please send your resum=E9 to didier dot > morandi at airsoftlabs dot fr and/or visit our WEB sitehttp://www.airsoftl= abs.fr > (english version available) > > Thanks, > > DTL Didier, best of luck with that. We looked at joining an airsoft league here a while ago, and the selection of equipment is really fascinating now. Didn't have the time though. I keep looking at the M-14 model but the good ones sure do cost a bit. So far its just spring guns popping the sticky target across the room from my (VMS, of course) workstation (the gas gun was too expensive and too variable, but it was a cheapy). Helps pass the time when Mozilla gets pokey (which more and more sites make it do these days). A few years from now I may be in your position, but right now there's still VMS customers and a few new opportunities around here without descending totally into the cesspool that is windows, so I'm not looking quite yet. Also this third-world state is not overly friendly to those who dare to keep or use firearms without suitable payments and fealty to the lordly hizzoner and his machine, so a change of venue would also be involved... but it would be fun! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:14:39 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: SFTP client compatibility Message-ID: In article , DAVISM@ecr6.ohio-state.edu (Michael T. Davis) writes: > > > We're running... > > HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.5 > on an AlphaServer DS15 running OpenVMS V8.2 > >Is there a SFTP client for Mac OS X or Windows that works properly with the >SFTP "server" that comes bundled with this version of TCP/IP Services? I have >tried Fetch v5.2 (on the Mac) and CoreFTP (under Windows) and both have >"issues" presenting things from the server properly. Is there any hope for >proper presentation of ODS-5 volumes? I've been using SFTP from Mac OS X without a problem now that I got to HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 - ECO 6. Before that, an EXIT at the SFTP prompt would hang the client up. What is it that doesn't see to be working? -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:15:49 -0800 (PST) From: Didier_Toulouse Subject: [OT] Out of consulting business? Message-ID: <1a610a6d-1eaa-46ff-942c-24b3303a90f8@e1g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Hello Friends, After 22 years of VMS consulting, I ran out of business in 2003. I had to find something else to do to feed my family, so I opened a computer shop and repair center in Toulouse, then I started to sell video games, then airsoft guns. Today, I run a weaponry, I became gunsmith. In case you like firearms and you are running out of business, I am looking for independent agents wolrdwide, following an increasing success (after the recent Eurosatory and Milipol shows) in selling airsoft replicas and other realistic paintball markers (RAM) in France for force on force training. Should you be interested, please send your resum=E9 to didier dot morandi at airsoftlabs dot fr and/or visit our WEB site http://www.airsoftla= bs.fr (english version available) Thanks, DTL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:57:15 +0100 From: Michael Kraemer Subject: Re: [OT] Out of consulting business? Message-ID: Didier_Toulouse schrieb: > In case you like firearms and you are running out of business, I am > looking for independent agents wolrdwide, following an increasing > success (after the recent Eurosatory and Milipol shows) Why not open branch offices in Baghdad and Kabul ? Seems to be a lot of business opportunities there for you. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2007 13:37:29 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: [OT] Out of consulting business? Message-ID: <5qg68pFvmjuaU4@mid.individual.net> In article , Michael Kraemer writes: > Didier_Toulouse schrieb: > >> In case you like firearms and you are running out of business, I am >> looking for independent agents wolrdwide, following an increasing >> success (after the recent Eurosatory and Milipol shows) > > Why not open branch offices in Baghdad and Kabul ? > Seems to be a lot of business opportunities there for you. Somehow, I don't think they are looking for paintball guns. :-) bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.636 ************************