INFO-VAX Mon, 05 Nov 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 606 Contents: @SYS$MANAGER:UTC$TIME_SETUP SHOW : no output using sysman Re: Announcing: gSoap for OpenVMS blog Re: Announcing: gSoap for OpenVMS blog Re: Announcing: gSoap for OpenVMS blog AUDITing question (file creation failure) Re: AUDITing question (file creation failure) Re: AUDITing question (file creation failure) Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark ! Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young How do I write a SFTP SSH client Re: How do I write a SFTP SSH client Re: IO TIME vs COMputable Re: lexical for terminal attributes? Re: Name that VAX/VMS version based on banner Re: Name that VAX/VMS version based on banner Re: Pathworks vs NFS Re: Using USB storage Re: Where's "Misery" Deininger? (Was: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:49:35 +0000 (UTC) From: Dale Dellutri Subject: @SYS$MANAGER:UTC$TIME_SETUP SHOW : no output using sysman Message-ID: If I do the command locally, it works on each of my non-clustered systems: $ @sys$manager:utc$time_setup show AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV is set to "1". OpenVMS will automatically change to/from Daylight Saving Time. (in time zones that use Daylight Saving Time) LOCAL TIME ZONE = US / CENTRAL -- STANDARD TIME LOCAL SYSTEM TIME = 5-NOV-2007 09:42:24.73 (CST) TIME DIFFERENTIAL FACTOR = -6:00 TIME ZONE RULE = CST6CDT5,M3.2.0/02,M11.1.0/02 Change CST to CDT on the Second Sunday of March (11-Mar-2007) at 02:00 Change CDT to CST on the First Sunday of November (4-Nov-2007) at 02:00 But if I do it using sysman to the systems, there's no output: $ mcr sysman SYSMAN> set env /nod= Remote Password: %SYSMAN-I-ENV, current command environment: Individual nodes: At least one node is not in local cluster Username will be used on nonlocal nodes SYSMAN> do @sys$manager:utc$time_setup show %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node ... And, yes, the username being used is fully privileged and is the same one that works locally. Why doesn't it produce output? -- Dale Dellutri (lose the Q's) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 22:14:17 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: Announcing: gSoap for OpenVMS blog Message-ID: Hi Michael, > I hope that HP will officially support gSOAP on OpenVMS as I am using > it and I suspect more than a few software developers are using it as > well. Surely one could be forgiven for thinking that "HP" _was_ officially supporting gSOAP *now*? But then I'm not privy to the timesheets of those involved, nor do I have an understanding of the other valuable "daytime/core hours" work being undertaken on behalf of the VMS license payer - So who really knows? I haven't seen such generous patronage since WASD! (Or those "altruistic" Firepower guys that seem to be sponsoring everything) Michael, I presume that you're willing to accept that some might just see Apache and Tomcat as far more worthy of HP support than gSOAP? What about Java 6? Or is 1.5 destined to be "good enough" for VMS, as it is for OS X? What about STUNNEL? Why isn't HP supporting that very worthy piece of integration software? All about IMM priorities and whose buddy needs a gig I guess? > Each us of porting it and supporting it independently as our > employers will not support the additional time required to properly > feed our changes back into the project. Hold the phone! Here's a possibility - We currently have several HP/VMS employees with (demonstrably) fuck all to do and all day to do it in, on one hand, and all this pent up customer demand on the other. How 'bout you guys go public with a little "gSOAP support" company? HP saves on redundant salaries and VMS customers get what they're gagging for - Sounds like a win-win to me! (Nah, on second thoughts just keep charging the VMS license-payer for what ever it is you feel like doing today; you can always bail later if it looks like taking off. And let's not discount the Mono .NET possibilities you cynical bastards!) > Web services (SOAP) is a big deal right now for our customers Really? Which VMS customers and why? I don't argue tha SOAP is popular, I just question what all these customers have been doing up until now. Ajax interesting to them? Flash? .NET? WebSphere? WebLogic? Oracle iAS? Windows IIS? Sockets just aren't worth anything unless you can pile a whole lot of "value-added" crud on top of 'em I guess? > we > must support it and gSOAP is the best solution for a commercial > software vendor for more than a few reasons. But Michael, isn't that what WSIT is supposed to be for??? V2.0 is apparently production-quality/commercial-grade/HP supported - what's the issue? "If it's not Java it just ain't!" - ask Arne :-) Please see http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=07/11/01/1550341 Or do you agree with me that WSIT stands for Waste of Substantial Investment in Technology and that there is absolutely *no* reason why VMS needs a JVM/JRE/J2EE/Garbage Collector/RMI/Serialization/NetBean/Jblah? "Want one? Fine! - *Need* one? Bollocks!". But I think that perhaps your problem is that you find the indignity of having to call your C/C++ modules via a Java wrapper as completely unacceptable, yet you think that the COBOL/BASIC/Pascal/Fortran pigs should be more than happy to put up with your bullshit header files, SOAP Envelopes, WSDL and marshalling/unmarshalling, serialization and *ABSOLUTE FUCKING ENCYCLOPEDIAS* of poorly performing XML? (BTW: You'll need to have included the ns:Oz-vernacular and the Frankness-Schema in your classpath in order to translate this) > gSOAP is extremely fast Compared to what? WSIT? - Please. . . > virtually no overhead on the system Miraculous! So no SOAP wrappers? No XML? No marshalling/unmarshalling? No connectionless context-devoid bullshit transport protocol? This I gotta see; please explain. > gSOAP is compiled Some maintain that JIT performs rather well. Either way your parsing crap! ********************************************************* > which makes > interfacing with other languages such as MACRO and COBOL easy gSOAP > requires no runtimes other than the normal C/C++ shared libraries > which makes distribution easier as the customer does not need to > install and tune a java runtime. ************************************************************ No *this* is where I really get confused as to where exactly you'd have HP position gSOAP. Stay with me as I discuss what we've had so far: - [This from the chief VMS gSOAP engineer] "Note: This is in no way competition with HP's fine product WSIT. In fact, it complements it as it allows programs written in any language to access Web Services." [And this from Ian Miller (who has no axe to grind)] "The initial motivation for porting gSOAP to OpenVMS was a question from a customer asking how they could call a remote Web service from their OpenVMS COBOL, ACMS application. A number of organisations have crafted novel solutions to address this type of problem; however, gSOAP potentially provides a more complete, proven, and flexible solution. " So some would have us believe (or willingly deceive us into believing for their own cynical ends) that gSOAP is for VMS 3GLs to call remote SOAP routines, but you have admirably chosen to be more frank with the public Michael, and I thank you for it! gSOAP is in direct competition to WSIT and flies in the face of everything VMS enginering has been doing over the last X years with Apache Tomcat WSIT and where they have positioned VMS in the server market. Don't get me wrong; I agree with you! It's just that I find your honesty refreshing. One thing's for sure, you clearly do not work for HP/VMS! Regards Richard Maher "Michael Anderson" wrote in message news:91gpi3t4u09coru01cqfd969h4csla9b5m@4ax.com... > On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:01:33 -0700, vax_inated@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > >As a user of GSoap for VMS, I am "passing it along" for the benefit of > >the extended Uncle VeMuS family: > > > >Later, > > > >V > > > >***** > > > >Subject: gSOAP on OpenVMS: there is a blog for the software in which > >you may enter bugs, comments, questions and so forth. > > > >Folks, we though some of you might find it helpful to be able to share > >experiences, enter bugs, solutions, questions and perhaps even tell a > >little about what you are doing. So we created a blog which you can > >find at: > > > >http://johndapps.blogspot.com/ > > > >(Forgive the fact that the blog is under my name. Since this is not > >yet software supported by HP, we have to use non-HP sites for our > >work, and I already had this blog site.) > > > >We hope you all find this useful in one way or another and find the > >time to let us, and each other, know how things are progressing! > I hope that HP will officially support gSOAP on OpenVMS as I am using > it and I suspect more than a few software developers are using it as > well. Each us of porting it and supporting it independently as our > employers will not support the additional time required to properly > feed our changes back into the project. > > Web services (SOAP) is a big deal right now for our customers and we > must support it and gSOAP is the best solution for a commercial > software vendor for more than a few reasons. gSOAP is extremely fast > virtually no overhead on the system gSOAP is compiled which makes > interfacing with other languages such as MACRO and COBOL easy gSOAP > requires no runtimes other than the normal C/C++ shared libraries > which makes distribution easier as the customer does not need to > install and tune a java runtime. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 05:38:56 -0800 From: IanMiller Subject: Re: Announcing: gSoap for OpenVMS blog Message-ID: <1194269936.076066.292390@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Nov 5, 2:14 pm, "Richard Maher" wrote: > > [And this from Ian Miller (who has no axe to grind)] > "The initial motivation for porting gSOAP to OpenVMS was a question from a > customer asking how they could call a remote Web service from their OpenVMS > COBOL, ACMS application. A number of organisations have crafted novel > solutions to address this type of problem; however, gSOAP potentially > provides a more complete, proven, and flexible solution. " > Not my words - Those words where copied from a document downloaded from the gSOAP blog and supplied via one of the creators of that blog. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 13:56:49 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Announcing: gSoap for OpenVMS blog Message-ID: Richard Maher wrote: > > Web services (SOAP) is a big deal right now for our customers > > Really? Which VMS customers and why? Any customer who wants their VMS systems to act as clients to WEB-services servers, I guess... > So some would have us believe (...) that gSOAP is for > VMS 3GLs to call remote SOAP routines,... It is. What is the problem with that ? (And from what I understand, WSIT is of limited use there.) And not having to use ODS5 and install Java kit is/could be a big plus, depending on your actual environment. Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:14:39 -0500 From: "Syltrem" Subject: AUDITing question (file creation failure) Message-ID: <13iujs049d8gq60@corp.supernews.com> Hi I'm trying to find out what file some program is trying to create, and where. My guess is that is is trying to *create* a file, anyway. Currently the application only returns this: %RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation I tried setting: $ REPLY/ENABLE $ SET AUDIT/ALARM/AUDIT/ENABLE=ACCESS=FAILURE /CLASS=FILE But that returns nothing I believe because the program is not attempting to access a file but it tries to *create* one Well I could have add an error on the .DIR, but I get nothing. I also tried with this: $ SET AUDIT/ALARM/AUDIT/ENABLE=CREATE /CLASS=FILE and although it does return something when a file is successfully created, it doesn't give anything for a file that could not be created due to protection violation. So.... How can I audit a file creation failure ? Thanks ! -- Syltrem http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS information and help, en français) ------------------------------ Date: 5 Nov 2007 11:40:21 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: AUDITing question (file creation failure) Message-ID: In article <13iujs049d8gq60@corp.supernews.com>, "Syltrem" writes: > Hi > > I'm trying to find out what file some program is trying to create, and > where. > My guess is that is is trying to *create* a file, anyway. > > Currently the application only returns this: > > %RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation > > I tried setting: > $ REPLY/ENABLE > > $ SET AUDIT/ALARM/AUDIT/ENABLE=ACCESS=FAILURE /CLASS=FILE > > But that returns nothing I believe because the program is not attempting to > access a file but it tries to *create* one > $ SET AUDIT/ALARM/AUDIT/ENABLE=CREATE /CLASS=FILE > > and although it does return something when a file is successfully created, > it doesn't give anything for a file that could not be created due to > protection violation. > Have you tried: $ SET AUDIT/ALARM/AUDIT/ENABLE=ACCESS=CREATE , or: $ SET AUDIT/ALARM/AUDIT/ENABLE=ACCESS=ALL (that will tend to be noisy)? If you have some idea of what file, you might try creating it with access controls that block the program from creating a new version, and putting an audit ACL on it. It's possible that the program is trying to create a new version of an existing file, but can't because of a version limit and no delete access to the oldest version, or having reached ;32767, or something similar. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:53:43 -0500 From: "Syltrem" Subject: Re: AUDITing question (file creation failure) Message-ID: <13ium57ke8q0e18@corp.supernews.com> "Bob Koehler" wrote in message news:NBkHTBaTE3LC@eisner.encompasserve.org... > In article <13iujs049d8gq60@corp.supernews.com>, "Syltrem" > writes: >> Hi >> >> I'm trying to find out what file some program is trying to create, and >> where. >> My guess is that is is trying to *create* a file, anyway. >> >> Currently the application only returns this: >> >> %RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation >> >> I tried setting: >> $ REPLY/ENABLE >> >> $ SET AUDIT/ALARM/AUDIT/ENABLE=ACCESS=FAILURE /CLASS=FILE >> >> But that returns nothing I believe because the program is not attempting >> to >> access a file but it tries to *create* one >> $ SET AUDIT/ALARM/AUDIT/ENABLE=CREATE /CLASS=FILE >> >> and although it does return something when a file is successfully >> created, >> it doesn't give anything for a file that could not be created due to >> protection violation. >> > > Have you tried: > > $ SET AUDIT/ALARM/AUDIT/ENABLE=ACCESS=CREATE > $ SET AUDIT/ALARM/AUDIT/ENABLE=ACCESS=CREATE %DCL-W-IVKEYW, unrecognized keyword - check validity and spelling \CREATE\ $ --> OVMS 7.1 VAX > , or: > > $ SET AUDIT/ALARM/AUDIT/ENABLE=ACCESS=ALL > > (that will tend to be noisy)? > It will probably be very noisy indeed, and may not even yield the expected result (as there is no file access per say) > If you have some idea of what file, you might try creating it with > access controls that block the program from creating a new version, > and putting an audit ACL on it. > > It's possible that the program is trying to create a new version of > an existing file, but can't because of a version limit and no delete > access to the oldest version, or having reached ;32767, or something > similar. > I believe the program is trying to do an ANAL/RMS/FDL on a file, but I can't say for sure. I'll try to create an .FDL file with the same name and see, but the one it creates may not have the same name as the .DAT file. Syltrem ------------------------------ Date: 5 Nov 2007 07:51:47 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark ! Message-ID: In article <6d5b0$472b798b$cef8887a$5047@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: > > In this case, it is moot. Just as the case for the use of "ALL-IN-1" for > its printers, HP can use "VMS" for whatever it wants since it owns the > company that owned that trademark. Owned - past tense - is very important here. DEC dropped the trademark sometime after they changed the name to OpenVMS. And there are other software products now using the name VMS. Perhaps one of those owners will sue HP over infringment? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:57:56 -0500 From: "FredK" Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER" wrote in message news:47225da8$1@news.langstoeger.at... > In article > , > "Main, Kerry" writes: >>What is this fascination you have with the main page on HP.com? > > What is your fascination with JF postings? > Only because he is still putting the finger in the wound > (while all other got bored repeating itself pointing to the obvious > and stopped years ago)? > > Don't shoot the messenger... > > (though I often get bored of JF postings, too) > To be honest I seldom reply or pay attention to COV anymore because of a couple posters (JF being high among them) who have made it their mission to turn every positive into a negative, and to dwell on real and imagined events in the past, and to imply evil intent to everything we do and everything that happens. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:54:36 -0800 From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: <1194278076.487174.130400@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Nov 1, 11:08 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > > All of the current versions of the "big" Server software (Windows, > > Exchange & SQL Server) are all released for ia64. And ia64 is a VC > > builds target, so in-house development obviously goes on. > > Unless Microsoft has reversed its previous decision, its support of IA64 > is still very limited with only a few "server" packages available, and > nothing like Office or others popular software. And if I remember > correctly, Ia64 versions were to come later than for the industry high > volume stuff. > I have a ZX2000 which I bought on Ebay. It came with Windows XP and Windows Sever 2003 installed on separate 250GB disks. Each runs quite well and each has a full install of Office 2003 Professional. It appears that the IA64 versions of Windows have some sort of compatibility mode built in. It can run 32-bit x86 native applications as well as IA64 native applications. I can't tell if there is any speed penalty ( there must be some but it might be slight). The Office applications seem to run as fast on the ZX2000 with the single 1.4GHz Itanium 2 as they do on my Windows XP HP Laptop with a T2300 Core Duo CPU. John H. Reinhardt P.S. It even runs iTunes. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Nov 2007 11:29:35 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: In article <1194278076.487174.130400@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" writes: > > I have a ZX2000 which I bought on Ebay. It came with Windows XP and > Windows Sever 2003 installed on separate 250GB disks. Each runs quite > well and each has a full install of Office 2003 Professional. It > appears that the IA64 versions of Windows have some sort of > compatibility mode built in. It can run 32-bit x86 native > applications as well as IA64 native applications. IIRC Intel puts IA-32 "compatability mode" into there current IA-64 processors. No knowing when they might get out of that habbit. This is similar to early VAXen having PDP-11 compatability mode, and later VAXen depending on an instruction emulator built into the AME. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 08:57:48 -0800 From: Trefor Subject: How do I write a SFTP SSH client Message-ID: <1194281868.188571.226640@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com> We have an application that includes our own FTP Client. It connects to the remote host on port 21 and then sends the FTP commands as listed in RFC 959 (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc959.html). This is all done for performance reasons, so that we can process the data as it comes in over the IP link before writing it to disk. This now needs to be changed to use SFTP - SSH File Transfer Protocol (http://www.vandyke.com/technology/draft-ietf-secsh-filexfer.txt), as used by SFTP on openVMS. The protocol is completely different, I understand that. When you use SFTP, it spawn a process which runs TCPIP$SSH_SSH2.EXE. So - how do I write my own version of SFTP? Should I be going down the TCPIP$SSH_SSH2.EXE route - and if so - where can I find out how to interface to TCPIP$SSH_SSH2.EXE? Or is ther an alternative? Trefor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:13:38 -0500 From: "Richard Whalen" Subject: Re: How do I write a SFTP SSH client Message-ID: SFTP authenticates with the remote system by spawning SSH2 and having it do the authentication. After that the SFTP commands and data are passed through the secure data channel that is created by the SSH2 connection. The SFTP commands essentially file system operations - Open a file, read (or write) so many bytes from a file starting at a particular byte, close a file. There are also operations for reading directories, creating directories, deleting files, and setting file attributes. Note that most implementations are for version 3 of the protocol. So, yes you have to use SSH2 if you are to write an SFTP program. "Trefor" wrote in message news:1194281868.188571.226640@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com... > We have an application that includes our own FTP Client. It connects > to the remote host on port 21 and then sends the FTP commands as > listed in RFC 959 (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc959.html). This is all > done for performance reasons, so that we can process the data as it > comes in over the IP link before writing it to disk. > > This now needs to be changed to use SFTP - SSH File Transfer Protocol > (http://www.vandyke.com/technology/draft-ietf-secsh-filexfer.txt), as > used by SFTP on openVMS. The protocol is completely different, I > understand that. > > When you use SFTP, it spawn a process which runs TCPIP$SSH_SSH2.EXE. > > So - how do I write my own version of SFTP? Should I be going down the > TCPIP$SSH_SSH2.EXE route - and if so - where can I find out how to > interface to TCPIP$SSH_SSH2.EXE? > > Or is ther an alternative? > > Trefor > ------------------------------ Date: 5 Nov 2007 07:59:32 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: IO TIME vs COMputable Message-ID: In article , "e.e" writes: > > i know that the IO time = ELapsed - CPU Time. Basically: Wait Time = Elapsed Time - CPU Time Waiting for I/O is only one reason to wait. > But , if the batch wait the processor (COMputable state) during the > executing, the IO time was wrong. (i think) CPU time is "CUR" time, not "COM" time. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:53:14 -0000 From: Thomas Dickey Subject: Re: lexical for terminal attributes? Message-ID: <13iuijqh9obn156@corp.supernews.com> Arne Vajhøj wrote: > I find it much more likely that people have a terminal emulator > that are missing obscure features than one that only supports > VT300 series. oh. You forgot to tell us which terminal emulators you're using. (it has to be more than one, given your postings in this thread). -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net ------------------------------ Date: 5 Nov 2007 08:14:03 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Name that VAX/VMS version based on banner Message-ID: In article <1194194073.169572.156550@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: > > VAX/VMS PTEXT 23-SEP-1981 17:56 LPA0: 23-SEP-1981 > 17:56 _DRA0:[PRIME]PTEXT.DAT;1 VAX/VMS > > > Anyone have any ideas what version of VAX/VMS these printouts are > from? The banner layout hasn't changed in ages, but the date 1981 means VMS 2.x or earlier. I think by September VMS 2.5 had shipped, but not yet 3.0. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 10:11:35 -0800 From: AEF Subject: Re: Name that VAX/VMS version based on banner Message-ID: <1194286295.801541.106790@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Nov 5, 9:14 am, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > In article <1194194073.169572.156...@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: > > > > > VAX/VMS PTEXT 23-SEP-1981 17:56 LPA0: 23-SEP-1981 > > 17:56 _DRA0:[PRIME]PTEXT.DAT;1 VAX/VMS > > > Anyone have any ideas what version of VAX/VMS these printouts are > > from? > > The banner layout hasn't changed in ages, but the date 1981 means VMS > 2.x or earlier. I think by September VMS 2.5 had shipped, but not > yet 3.0. Thanks Bob! AEF ------------------------------ Date: 5 Nov 2007 08:16:06 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Pathworks vs NFS Message-ID: In article , VMSQuest Reborn writes: > > But it was quite helpful to me, on several levels, so "many thanks" to you. Glad to be of help. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:38:01 -0500 From: "FredK" Subject: Re: Using USB storage Message-ID: Facinating question. In theory, you should be able to do it. But it takes more than just a INIT/GPT, because the partition table will tell Windows that there is a single partition that covers the entire volume and when it looks at the partition, it will not find a file system it understands. After the init, you need to use SYS$SYSTEM:EFI$CP to create sys$loadable_images:sys$efi.sys and optionally sys$maintenance:sys$diagnostics.sys The EFI$CP command would look something like: efi$cp> init/create/size=256000/contig/dev=a: /label=host sys$loadable_images:sys$efi.sys I believe there is a limit of 4gb for the partition (FAT16) The you need to run SYS$SYSTEM:SETBOOT to update the GPT. Now the GPT has a number of partitions, one (or two) of which point to FAT16 formatted partitions. Windows "should" be able to see those partitions. "Michael Moroney" wrote in message news:fgdkkj$2ds$1@pcls6.std.com... > Somewhat related: What exactly is in the "partition table" when you > $ INITIALIZE/GPT a disk? (used for Itanic system disks to fool the boot > firmware that it's a partitioned disk, not an unpartitioned VMS disk)? > I ask this because I have a VMS-formatted thumb drive, and I recently had > a need for a thumb drive to transfer files from a PC. I was already using > the thumb drive for VMS files for an Itanic and couldn't use it for the > PC. > > Later I got to thinking "wouldn't it be cool" if the thumb drive was > initted/GPT and tinkered with, so there was a VMS "partition" and a > Windoze partition. You could mount a 2GB thumbdrive on VMS and use the > 1GB VMS area and Windoze would recognize its separate 1GB area if inserted > into a Windoze system, for example. Each OS would know not to touch the > other's area. (presumably the VMS part would appear to be in a separate > partition to Windows, and the Windows stuff might be in a 1GB > DONTTOUCH.DAT > container file to VMS or something) > > I plugged the $INIT/GPT thumbdrive into a PC and looked at it with some > partition software, and it didn't understand it. I know that VMS creates > a [000000]GPT.SYS which occupies the first and last N blocks of the drive > and the partition stuff is in there. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:02:27 -0500 From: "FredK" Subject: Re: Where's "Misery" Deininger? (Was: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: "Richard Maher" wrote in message news:fg1f6f$pdf$1@news-01.bur.connect.com.au... > Hi Paul, > > In my opinion there is rarely a call, or justification, for the use of > such > intemperate language in civilized society; not that that has anything to > do > with COV (or the world at large :-) > > But I'm just curious as to why Robert Whininger hasn't come out in > sympathy > with you. I'd certainly hate to think that I was being stalked or that it > was only my Web Pages that he felt compelled to critique publicly! > I can't imagine why Robert would be anxious to insult or be insulted by such a swell guy like yourself. You are a model of civilized discourse. But more than likely - the fires in San Diego caused a shutdown of the facility that housed the news server where the feeds come in/out of HP. A number of us stopped checking after a few days and only now are tuning back in at all. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.606 ************************