INFO-VAX Sun, 04 Nov 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 603 Contents: Re: .NET Mono for VMS Re: Announcing: gSoap for OpenVMS blog Re: Announcing: gSoap for OpenVMS blog Re: Disbelief! Re: hope there's VMS here Re: lexical for terminal attributes? Re: lexical for terminal attributes? Re: MAC OS-X or Linux ? Re: minimum system requirements for OpenVMS 7.3 VAX OT: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark ! Re: Rare job posting Re: Rare job posting ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 23:47:16 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: .NET Mono for VMS Message-ID: <472d40bf$0$90275$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Main, Kerry wrote: > Technically, you are partially right i.e. clustering requires multiple > levels of support i.e. HW, OS, DB and Applications in order for a complete > overall clustering solution. But not the compiler or language runtime. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 13:49:20 -0500 From: Michael Anderson Subject: Re: Announcing: gSoap for OpenVMS blog Message-ID: <91gpi3t4u09coru01cqfd969h4csla9b5m@4ax.com> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:01:33 -0700, vax_inated@yahoo.com wrote: > >As a user of GSoap for VMS, I am "passing it along" for the benefit of >the extended Uncle VeMuS family: > >Later, > >V > >***** > >Subject: gSOAP on OpenVMS: there is a blog for the software in which >you may enter bugs, comments, questions and so forth. > >Folks, we though some of you might find it helpful to be able to share >experiences, enter bugs, solutions, questions and perhaps even tell a >little about what you are doing. So we created a blog which you can >find at: > >http://johndapps.blogspot.com/ > >(Forgive the fact that the blog is under my name. Since this is not >yet software supported by HP, we have to use non-HP sites for our >work, and I already had this blog site.) > >We hope you all find this useful in one way or another and find the >time to let us, and each other, know how things are progressing! I hope that HP will officially support gSOAP on OpenVMS as I am using it and I suspect more than a few software developers are using it as well. Each us of porting it and supporting it independently as our employers will not support the additional time required to properly feed our changes back into the project. Web services (SOAP) is a big deal right now for our customers and we must support it and gSOAP is the best solution for a commercial software vendor for more than a few reasons. gSOAP is extremely fast virtually no overhead on the system gSOAP is compiled which makes interfacing with other languages such as MACRO and COBOL easy gSOAP requires no runtimes other than the normal C/C++ shared libraries which makes distribution easier as the customer does not need to install and tune a java runtime. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 13:19:15 -0700 From: IanMiller Subject: Re: Announcing: gSoap for OpenVMS blog Message-ID: <1194121155.942270.273730@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com> Also announced on www.OpenVMS,Org http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=07/11/01/0255836 with extra info in the hope of reaching the people who don't read this newsgroup any more. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 23:46:22 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Disbelief! Message-ID: <472d408a$0$90275$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Richard Maher wrote: > Why anyone would want .NET on VMS escapes me; It is a good framework. > The point I was trying to make was that this is exactly the type of > Fool's-errand that VMS middle management will stump up the funds for. I doubt it. Too expensive. > Sadly, one simple fact that no one (certainly not at VMS) seems interested > in, is that all of the VMS installed-base out there (Read: Existing > Customers that are paying the bills) are using *Procedural* languages such > as COBOL, BASIC, Pascal and Fortran So you think available apps for VMS and the numbers of VMS systems around is going the right direction, so need to change ? > They do not want (feel the the need or shame) to wrapper their "legacy" > architecture in some object-oriented ribbon just so as to make it more > palatable (digestable) to an Apache, Tomcat, PHP, SOAP, Axis, Java > architecture that barely runs on VMS and must've had a development-budget > that'd make the US Defence Department blush! They don't understand the > whole concept of WSDL and having to "Serialize" an object to a stream of > bytes to send it over a Socket (that they could be doing themselves anyway) > and reassemble the nodes/attributes/values on the server side only to > flatten it out again to present it to their 3GL! They do not understand > using > a poorly performing connectionless page-trabsfer protocol such as HTTP > as an application middlware backbone! (Networks are pretty unreliable > these days eh?) The reality is that most companies are using a plethora of technologies today and that integration is necessary. Platforms that are not integratable is a endangered species. > VMS still *is* the best server OS on the market! All your customers are > crying out for (and if you ever spent any time developing "with them" rather > than preaching "at them" you'd realize) is just a modern GUI and Webifying > options for their existing, reliable, and high-performance servers. This has > *never* required/mandated a complete re-tooling of their server-development > departments or a paradigm-shift with their existing workforce. The sad truth > is that VMS has been able to do this for years :-( > HTML,JavaScript,CSS,Flex,Java GUI front-ends should be standard for VMS > applications and true integration with Windows and *NIX in multi-cultural > data centres a reality. Why is this not the case? The tools you don't like provides the necessary capabilities to do that. The reasons that it is not happening is non technical. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 02:41:50 +0100 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: hope there's VMS here Message-ID: In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > ...from a hospital bed (gotta love EVDO)... My first instinct is to wish you a speedy recovery, but thinking about it, please take your time to get well properly. Wishing you all the best Brian. -- Paul Sture Sue's OpenVMS bookmarks: http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~sture/ovms-bookmarks.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 23:55:28 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: lexical for terminal attributes? Message-ID: <472d42ac$0$90267$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Thomas Dickey wrote: > Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> PS: That code require a damn good terminal emulator to work ! > > ...particularly since it is using a feature which is not documented: > > \E["v It is documented. Try Google for DECRQDE. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 23:58:04 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: lexical for terminal attributes? Message-ID: <472d4347$0$90269$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Thomas Dickey wrote: > But I don't recall seeing the other - perhaps some feature of VT300 or > later. VT400 I think. But then the VT400 is not exactly brand new. Wikipedia claims 1990. I am sure that your terminal emulator is newer than that. But I will not guarantee that it has implemented that sequence. Not exactly a top of the list feature. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:52:46 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: MAC OS-X or Linux ? Message-ID: <472d09ca$0$90265$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> P. Sture wrote: > In article <1acdd$4720ab25$cef8887a$15776@TEKSAVVY.COM>, > JF Mezei wrote: >> While I still haven't found a way to telnet into the mac, I can ssh into >> it and issue plenty of unix commands. And I can run X applications on >> the mac that display on an x terminal. (But the native mac applications >> don't do that). > > That's because telnet comes disabled "out of the box", which is as it > should be. I'll agree it's a bit of a swine to enable when you do want > it for something. It has become disabled by default on a lot of platforms. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:09:32 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: minimum system requirements for OpenVMS 7.3 VAX Message-ID: Scott Mickey wrote: > Can a VAXserver 3400 with 12 MB memory and 150 MB disk install and > run OpenVMS 7.3? I am pretty confident that it is doable. I ran 7.2 on an all mighty Microvax II with 16 meg of memory (but it was installed on a 250 meg system disk). You will need a huge pagefile, and you will need to tweak many sysgen parameters. You will have no problems booting the standalone backup and then loading the B saveset on the 150 meg disk. However, the subsequent rebooting will invoke the installation continuation procedure instead of startup.com and the former will be the one checking for system parameters. If it declares your system to be unusable, you can then edit the installation procedure and remove those checks and let it proceed. You will want to tailor off many compotents and not expand the various compressed libraries (help etc). In terms of lacking access to the CD: Easiest way would be if you have another VMS node. You can then build a cluster and have the new vax boot off the older one, at which point the new vax would have access to the old vax/alpha CD drive. having an alpha serve as boot node for a vax is possible, but you need to understand how it works. If you have no other VMS machine available from which to boot, then getting the standalone backup and saveset B onto the TK70 is your best bet. You'll need to manually build this with netbsd and make sure you copy the files in the right order (look at stabackit.com in sys$update if I remember well). Remember that the first phase will initialise that system drive, so you cannot rely on anything being left on it. > Is it possible to load an OpenVMS kernel via the network (same as > NetBSD does), and run the VAX diskless with NFS support? In a word, no. The VAX console knows only about MOP booting. And the VMS kernel for the very early boot sequence knows only about vaxcluster to access remote drives. NFS support comes from the TCPIP stack which is loaded as an application, well after VMS has booted. > NetBSD has a driver for the TK70. Could I boot NetBSD, NFS mount > the OpenVMS CDROM, and write a OpenVMS bootable image to tape? > Then, boot from the tape and install OpenVMS on the DSSI disk? Yes and no. The "bootable image" will be a series of files copied to the TK tape in a specific sequence. Those files would be present on the CD, but you'll have to take a look at STABACKIT.COM to find out in what order the files needs to be copied to tape. > One last question (just curious): I know Oracle DB was originally > deployed on VAX/VMS. What was the approx minimum memory required > for Oracle versions 5 or 6 on VAX/VMS, in the late 1980's? Ok, now you are REALLY pushing it for for that machine... I don't think 150meg disk and 12 meg of memory are anwhere near enough for Oracle. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:42:25 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: OT: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark ! Message-ID: On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 10:41:24 -0700, Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > In article <84IWi.12756$ZA.8093@newsb.telia.net>, > =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= > writes: > >> >>> Note that VMS has been used for other things (such as milking >> systems) >> >>> for a long time, just like there were VAX vacuum cleaners.... >> >> >> >> In my hometown there us a large building with "VMS" in 5 m high >> >> letters on the wall. Is stands for "Väg Maskin Service", >> >> or "Road Machinery Service" in English. >> > >> > Why not use the right word, Väg Maskin Tjänst >> >> >> >> http://www.vagmaskinservice.se/ >> >> In this case "tjänst" is not the right word. >> The swedish word "service" in this case stands >> for "repair" and similar jobs. > > Of course, since W and V are quite similar in Swedish, one might confuse > it with WNT. :-) > > (Until quite recently, V and W were considered the same letter and mixed > together in the dictionary. Just a couple of years ago, W was declared > to be its own letter by the authorities.) > Quite right, both my father and grandfather had Viktor as middle names, but my grandfather spellt it with a W. -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 23:32:10 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Rare job posting Message-ID: <472d3d35$0$90265$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Michael Moroney wrote: > An even rarer job opening: Macro-32 Experience wanted! > > This is conversion of an old application written in Macro-32 and C from > VAX to Itanic. Due in part to PDP-11 roots, much of this code is quite > "creative". Amazing ! > Location: Middletown, Rhode Island Not far from here. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 23:34:13 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Rare job posting Message-ID: <472d3db0$0$90265$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Main, Kerry wrote: > Ask any outsourcing company for a quote on them managing 10 standalone servers vs > 10 VM's running on one server. The quote they provide for the VM's will be approx 80-90% > of the 10 physical servers. They know where all the real work is. Sure. With the applications that are the same. Arne ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.603 ************************