INFO-VAX Fri, 02 Nov 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 600 Contents: Re: CO2 decline over Iraq and consequent sectarian cooling attributed to Divine Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark ! Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark ! Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark ! Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark ! Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark ! Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark ! Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark ! Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark ! Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark ! Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: hope there's VMS here Re: hope there's VMS here Re: hope there's VMS here IO TIME vs COMputable IO TIME vs COMputable. Re: Revisited: Wireless (WPA) authentication and OpenVMS Re: Revisited: Wireless (WPA) authentication and OpenVMS Re: Revisited: Wireless (WPA) authentication and OpenVMS Re: Using USB storage Re: Using USB storage Re: Using USB storage ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 04:58:33 +1030 From: Mark Daniel Subject: Re: CO2 decline over Iraq and consequent sectarian cooling attributed to Divine Message-ID: <13imnifde586414@corp.supernews.com> More follow-up on (FWIW) ... TCP/IP Services and SNDBUF/RCVBUF Mark Daniel wrote: > Just thought a revised subject might increase the chance of some sort of > response to this manifestly incongruous posting. > > Mark Daniel wrote: > >> Trying to understand the TCPIP> SHOW DEVICE values against >> >> RECEIVE SEND >> Socket buffer bytes ... ... >> Socket buffer quota ... ... >> >> and the relationship with the setsockopt()/QIO-SETMODE, >> getsockopt()/QIO-SENSEMODE >> SO_SNDBUF/SO_RCVBUF/TCPIP$C_SNDBUF/TCPIP$C_RCVBUF values. >> >> Also the equivalent in other VMS TCP/IP stacks. >> >> A WASD user reports his MultiNet environment previously with Apache >> and now with WASD improve throughput significantly (particularly of >> large transfers) by performing a setsockopt(SO_SNDBUF:65534) and a >> QIO-SETMODE(TCPIP$C_SNDBUF:65534) respectively (hope my abbreviated >> descriptions make enough sense). >> >> I do not see this using TCP/IP Services. In fact I only seem to be >> able to decrease throughput by lowering (to circa 2,000 bytes) the >> default values which seem to be very high (>60,000). When a SETMODE >> is used against a socket this is reflected in the SHOW DEVICE socket >> bytes/quota. > > 8< snip 8< > > Just to note what I've come up with so far ... > > I was looking for was some comment on the default values for socket send > and receive buffers under TCP/IP Services and MultiNet and an > explanation of how they might influence throughput. > > I did receive private correspondence (not from an 'internals' Engineer) > which in part reads: > >> I'm not sure what it is you're asking. Is it simply an explanation of >> why >> MultiNet benefits from tweaking the SO_SNDBUF? The MultiNet Programmer's >> Reference says that the default value is 6144 for TCP and 2048 for >> UDP. Those remarks are made in the context of documenting the >> MultiNet-specific >> socket library but it wouldn't surprise me if they were driver >> defaults that >> applied even in UCX mode. >> >>> I do not see this using TCP/IP Services. In fact I only seem to be able >>> to decrease throughput by lowering (to circa 2,000 bytes) the default >>> values which seem to be very high (>60,000). When a SETMODE is used >>> against a socket this is reflected in the SHOW DEVICE socket >>> bytes/quota. >> >> >> That's not inconsistent with the default values documented for MultiNet. > > > Interesting. I don't have MultiNet on my development system though do > have access to it on the VSM site > > Process Software MultiNet V5.1 Rev A-X > > so I could experiment. > > The original correspondent was quite specific about the performance > improvement: > >> One of the things I have on my web server are some largish flash >> videos. WASD was downloading them at a rate of about 55 KB/sec >> whereas Apache was downloading them at about 400 KB/sec. I had a >> similar problem when I first deployed Apache and, to improve the >> situation, I used an option Apache has, called SendBufferSize. This >> is a configuration item tied to the SO_SNDBUF socket option. So, I >> modified WASD to set this socket option and hardcoded in the value I >> had been using with Apache (65534). With this change, WASD is now >> downloading the large files at a rate of around 600 KB/sec (all tests >> done to my DSL modem). > > > An order of magnitude! It was definitely worth investigating. As a > consequence my in-development WASD baseline now has two additional > configuration parameters: > > [SocketSizeRcvBuf] > [SocketSizeSndBuf] > > WATCH now also allows easy observation of unconfigured buffer sizes on > the actual BG device. On MultiNet these roughly correspond to the > quantities referred to by my private correspondent: > > |03:06:57.20 ... NETWORK SENSE %X00000001 sndbuf:7100 rcvbuf:7300| > > Unconfigured buffer sizes under TCP/IP Services (V5.6-9): > > |03:14:28.89 ... NETWORK SENSE %X00000001 sndbuf:62780 rcvbuf:62780| > > Quite a difference! > > I have not performed throughput tests with changed buffer sizes on VSM > as it's a production system but the original correspondence is > convincing enough. > > I wonder how many MultiNet (TCPware?) sites could obtain similar > improvements (10x) to their Apache, WASD, or other demanding TCP/IP > application throughput using an appropriate > setsockopt()/SETMODE/configuration on the buffer sizes? > > Am I the only one (again) who was unaware of this? > > I'm also curious as to the why and how of TCP/IP Services dramatic > contrast with MultiNet, and why PSC has not taken a similar approach. > > -- > Milo Minderbinder: Frankly, I'd like to see the government get out of > war altogether and leave the whole field to private industry. If we pay > the government everything we owe it, we'll only be encouraging > government control and discouraging other individuals from bombing their > own men and planes. > [Joseph Heller; Catch-22] Using Lynx Version 2.8.5dev.16 to download but not save to disk a 4861kB file via WASD v9.2, from the MultiNet system out via a 100Mbps DE500, into a shared ISP, through my (currently) 7.9Mbps DSL to my test-bench PWS500. Five runs with no significant variation in duration. The MultiNet system: Process Software MultiNet V5.1 Rev A-X, COMPAQ AlphaServer DS10L 466 MHz, OpenVMS AXP V7.3 Using the default SNDBUF size reported above (7100 bytes): 38 seconds for a throughput of 128kB/S Adjusting the SNDBUF to 65000: 9 seconds for a throughput of 540kB/S This is in excess of 4x the throughput. Moral of the story appears to be that if using MultiNet (and perhaps TCPware - I don't have access to a system using it) to source large data sets you should adjust socket SNDBUF up from the default (and possibly RCVBUF if sinking it). -- Catch-22 did not exist, he was positive of that, but it made no difference. What did matter was that everyone thought it existed, and that was much worse, for there was no object or text to ridicule or refute, to accuse, criticize, attack, amend, hate, revile, spit at, rip to shreads, trample upon or burn up. [Joseph Heller; Catch-22] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 03:13:30 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark ! Message-ID: <163f$472ace1d$cef8887a$8820@TEKSAVVY.COM> http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/feature_stories/2007/07vms.html?jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN or if the above has wrapped: > http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/feature_stories/2007/07vms.html?jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN They even list WallMart as the first VMS customer !!!! And no, this isn't a voluntary milking business. But it now precludes the use of "VMS" for an operating system by HP. One further nail in its coffin. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 03:28:37 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark ! Message-ID: JF Mezei wrote: There is even a press release for this: http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2007/070206a.html And VMS now gets its new web page at: > http://h71028.www7.hp.com/enterprise/cache/463469-0-0-225-121.html This must be pretty new because they haven't yet updated www.hp.com/go/vms to point to the new VMS homepage. I won't complain if they forget to do it, as I prefer the old one. But please don't see this as a complaint about the new VMS page. And it also signals that HP has truly taken VMS seriously, it even uses terminology such as "HP VMS" in some of the web pages and press releases. To Mt Kerry Main: See, even *moi* can spin news positively. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Nov 2007 08:36:07 +0100 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark ! Message-ID: <472ae177$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article <163f$472ace1d$cef8887a$8820@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: >http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/feature_stories/2007/07vms.html?jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN Which is a link to the HP Video Merchant Services >They even list WallMart as the first VMS customer !!!! But it is not of our beloved operating system >And no, this isn't a voluntary milking business. Yup, but a Video System >But it now precludes the use of "VMS" for an operating system by HP. One >further nail in its coffin. What was your intention of your posting? -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:45:59 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark ! Message-ID: In article <472ae177$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) writes: > In article <163f$472ace1d$cef8887a$8820@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: > >http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/feature_stories/2007/07vms.html?jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN > > Which is a link to the HP Video Merchant Services > > >They even list WallMart as the first VMS customer !!!! > > But it is not of our beloved operating system > > >And no, this isn't a voluntary milking business. > > Yup, but a Video System > > >But it now precludes the use of "VMS" for an operating system by HP. One > >further nail in its coffin. > > What was your intention of your posting? Note that VMS has been used for other things (such as milking systems) for a long time, just like there were VAX vacuum cleaners. Trademarks are valid only within a certain range. Apple was a computer company and a record company---no problem, until the former started selling music (which led to an out-of-court settlement). Similarly, ABBA had to promise they wouldn't enter the fish business, since there is a Swedish company which sells fish products called Abba (without the backwards B). So, if I want to set up a cruise company called Very Magical Sailing, I could probably call it VMS without being accused of trademark infringement, but Very Magical Software would probably be too close to the operating system VMS. In other words, TLAs and other trademarks can exist in multiple instances. There is only a conflict if they refer to similar products. With respect to VMS, this would be a problem only if someone came up with an operating system dubbed VMS (referring, perhaps, to Victor's Management Services) and HP couldn't object on the grounds that it had not defended its trademark. But as long as it sells VMS (it doesn't have to market it), it has defended its trademark. Now Victor could set up Victor's Management Services and call it VMS as long as it had nothing to do with computer operating systems (managing businesses, say, rather than disk files). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:57:22 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark ! Message-ID: Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > Note that VMS has been used for other things (such as milking systems) > for a long time, just like there were VAX vacuum cleaners.... In my hometown there us a large building with "VMS" in 5 m high letters on the wall. Is stands for "Väg Maskin Service", or "Road Machinery Service" in English. Hm, must take a picture next time I'm there... Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:22:29 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark ! Message-ID: In article <163f$472ace1d$cef8887a$8820@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: >http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/feature_stories/2007/07vms.html?jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN > >or if the above has wrapped: > >> http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/feature_stories/2007/07vms.html?jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN > >They even list WallMart as the first VMS customer !!!! > >And no, this isn't a voluntary milking business. > >But it now precludes the use of "VMS" for an operating system by HP. One >further nail in its coffin. Shows how much thought HP is giving VMS the OS. Now when you ring up HP if you talk about OpenVMS you will be directed to someone who knows about OpenView and if you talk about VMS you will be directed to someone who knows about this new video merchant service. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:29:37 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark ! Message-ID: In article , helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: >In article <472ae177$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter >'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) writes: > >> In article <163f$472ace1d$cef8887a$8820@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: >> >http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/feature_stories/2007/07vms.html?jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN >> >> Which is a link to the HP Video Merchant Services >> >> >They even list WallMart as the first VMS customer !!!! >> >> But it is not of our beloved operating system >> >> >And no, this isn't a voluntary milking business. >> >> Yup, but a Video System >> >> >But it now precludes the use of "VMS" for an operating system by HP. One >> >further nail in its coffin. >> >> What was your intention of your posting? > >Note that VMS has been used for other things (such as milking systems) >for a long time, just like there were VAX vacuum cleaners. Trademarks >are valid only within a certain range. Apple was a computer company and >a record company---no problem, until the former started selling music >(which led to an out-of-court settlement). Similarly, ABBA had to >promise they wouldn't enter the fish business, since there is a Swedish >company which sells fish products called Abba (without the backwards B). >So, if I want to set up a cruise company called Very Magical Sailing, I >could probably call it VMS without being accused of trademark >infringement, but Very Magical Software would probably be too close to >the operating system VMS. > >In other words, TLAs and other trademarks can exist in multiple >instances. There is only a conflict if they refer to similar products. >With respect to VMS, this would be a problem only if someone came up >with an operating system dubbed VMS (referring, perhaps, to Victor's >Management Services) and HP couldn't object on the grounds that it had >not defended its trademark. But as long as it sells VMS (it doesn't >have to market it), it has defended its trademark. > >Now Victor could set up Victor's Management Services and call it VMS as >long as it had nothing to do with computer operating systems (managing >businesses, say, rather than disk files). > However for the same company to have two very different products called VMS would generally be considered a bad idea. Inheriting two products with similar names eg Open View and openVMS is bad enough but creating a new product with a conflicting name means that noone in the company has given any thought to the old product. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University PS. Maybe this is the promised media campaign for VMS. Just a pity it will be for the wrong VMS :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 08:43:58 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark ! Message-ID: On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 03:57:22 -0700, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > >> Note that VMS has been used for other things (such as milking systems) >> for a long time, just like there were VAX vacuum cleaners.... > > In my hometown there us a large building with "VMS" in 5 m high > letters on the wall. Is stands for "Väg Maskin Service", > or "Road Machinery Service" in English. Why not use the right word, Väg Maskin Tjänst > > Hm, must take a picture next time I'm there... > > Jan-Erik. -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:17:08 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark ! Message-ID: <84IWi.12756$ZA.8093@newsb.telia.net> Tom Linden wrote: > On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 03:57:22 -0700, Jan-Erik Söderholm > wrote: > >> Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: >> >>> Note that VMS has been used for other things (such as milking systems) >>> for a long time, just like there were VAX vacuum cleaners.... >> >> In my hometown there us a large building with "VMS" in 5 m high >> letters on the wall. Is stands for "Väg Maskin Service", >> or "Road Machinery Service" in English. > > Why not use the right word, Väg Maskin Tjänst >> http://www.vagmaskinservice.se/ In this case "tjänst" is not the right word. The swedish word "service" in this case stands for "repair" and similar jobs. Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:54:57 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: In article , Keith Parris writes: >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: >> VAX -> Alpha was seen as producing improved performance. >> Alpha -> Itanium is seen as a forced move where continued Alpha development >> would have produced better performance. > >There are many more factors in today's computing world than raw >performance -- like price/performance, for one. > >Many customers upgrading from Alpha to Itanium today are telling us they >are getting twice the performance for half the price. That's a 4X >improvement in price/performance as a reward for moving. And moving >across from Alpha to Itanium is much easier than VAX to Alpha was. Did you not see that I wrote "where continued Alpha development would have produced better performance." Alpha development was stopped quite sometime ago now. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:12:56 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: hope there's VMS here Message-ID: G'day Brian, > I don't want to die from M$! > > ...from a hospital bed (gotta love EVDO)... Don't worry! I believe all the Gender Realignment kit still runs RPG/400 software :-) Cheers Richard Maher PS. In case it's something more serious (and given your impeccable medical history; why wouldn't it be :-) I hope your up and about real soon! I was almost back in London (circa St. Katherine Docs.) recently and thought of you. Maybe the nortehrn summer who knows? (Like most, I'm currently receiving most of my income from non-VMS pursuits :-( but hey, I get to stay in Perth and Tier3 is growing!) wrote in message news:cDtWi.38$2K4.14@newsfe09.lga... > I don't want to die from M$! > > ...from a hospital bed (gotta love EVDO)... > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" > > http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 12:20:45 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: hope there's VMS here Message-ID: In article , "Richard Maher" writes: > > >G'day Brian, > >> I don't want to die from M$! >> >> ...from a hospital bed (gotta love EVDO)... > >Don't worry! I believe all the Gender Realignment kit still runs RPG/400 >software :-) > >Cheers Richard Maher > >PS. In case it's something more serious (and given your impeccable medical >history; why wouldn't it be :-) I hope your up and about real soon! I was Don't bet on it. S4 (evere schmuckhead stress syndrome) has landed me here again. Twice in the mid-90s and the one time nearly killed me. >almost back in London (circa St. Katherine Docs.) recently and thought of >you. Maybe the nortehrn summer who knows? (Like most, I'm currently >receiving most of my income from non-VMS pursuits :-( but hey, I get to stay >in Perth and Tier3 is growing!) I remember that well, brief though that meetup was. If you recall, we had to leave to catch a train to get to Braintree to see YES's final European Tour gig. Turned out the train we were supposed to take was cancelled and we had to take the next one. Arriving at Braintree station, we hired the first taxi in the ranks and he got us to the Equestrian Center (where YES was playing) just as the doors were opened. Fortunately, our friends held us a place in the queue at the front. ;) Here is that gang at the Brain- tree Equestian Center (you can see the Roger Dean designed YES stage in the background): http://www.tmesis.com/moonies/yes_6.jpg I saw the same tour several more times in the US. We even managed to get backstage with YES! Photo's link: http://www.tmesis.com/bands_2004/YES/ -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 08:12:08 -0700 From: DaveG Subject: Re: hope there's VMS here Message-ID: <1194016328.689563.96270@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> On Nov 1, 7:52 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > > I don't want to die from M$! > > > ...from a hospital bed (gotta love EVDO)... > > Best wishes for a quick recovery. > > Do they have Philips or Agilent health monitors ones where you are ? > > Philips has made huge inroads in medical systems at the expense of what > used to be HP (now agilent). > > These monitors are petty fancy, complete with ethernet for > interconnection etc etc. Full functionality is seen in an ICU situation > where interconnected monitors in each room/bed talk to each other and > exchange alarms along with a central monitor at the nurse desk. I'd be more concerned about the clinical staff rather than fancy interconnects. Brian, hope you are being well taken care of. Best wishes for a speedy recovery. Dave... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:13:33 +0100 From: "e.e" Subject: IO TIME vs COMputable Message-ID: Hello, I am looking for the reel IO time for a batch. It's seem at the end of the batch report, there is information like : Charged CPU time: 0 00:10:21.34 Elapsed time: 0 00:25:18.93 i know that the IO time = ELapsed - CPU Time. But , if the batch wait the processor (COMputable state) during the executing, the IO time was wrong. (i think) how can i find the reel "IO TIME" ou COMputable TIME for the batch process. is this information available? or i am wrong in my reasoning ? Thanks you. Best regards Eric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:57:15 +0100 From: "news.rd.francetelecom.fr" Subject: IO TIME vs COMputable. Message-ID: Hello, I am looking for the reel IO time for a batch. It's seem at the end of the batch report, there is information like : Charged CPU time: 0 00:10:21.34 Elapsed time: 0 00:25:18.93 i know that the IO time = ELapsed - CPU Time. But , if the batch wait the processor (COMputable state) during the executing, the IO time was wrong. (i think) how can i find the reel "IO TIME" ou COMputable TIME for the batch process. is this information available? or i am wrong in my reasoning ? Thanks you. Best regards Eric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:10:40 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Revisited: Wireless (WPA) authentication and OpenVMS Message-ID: In article , DAVISM@ecr6.ohio-state.edu (Michael T. Davis) writes: > >In article <1193845820.877204.203040@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>, IanMiller > writes: > >>Do you mean this RADIUS server ? >> >>http://starlet.deltatel.ru/radiusvms/ >> > > Yes, that's the one I had in mind. Ultimately, though, I'm just >after authentication against OVMS from WiFi access points that utilize WPA. >Whatever the solution, it can't involve Linux/UNIX (including Mac OS X), but >can involve use of Windows, if necessary. An OVMS "native" solution would be >ideal. > As I recall the question was whether radiusvms supported or would soon support EAP which is required for WPA 802.1x authentication. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University >Regards, >Mike >-- > | Systems Specialist: CBE,MSE > Michael T. Davis (Mike) | Departmental Networking/Computing > http://www.ecr6.ohio-state.edu/~davism/ | The Ohio State University > | 197 Watts, (614) 292-6928 ------------------------------ Date: 2 Nov 2007 13:01:44 GMT From: DAVISM@ecr6.ohio-state.edu (Michael T. Davis) Subject: Re: Revisited: Wireless (WPA) authentication and OpenVMS Message-ID: In article , david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: >In article , > DAVISM@ecr6.ohio-state.edu (Michael T. Davis) writes: >> >>In article <1193845820.877204.203040@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>, IanMiller >> writes: >> >>>Do you mean this RADIUS server ? >>> >>>http://starlet.deltatel.ru/radiusvms/ >>> >> >> Yes, that's the one I had in mind. Ultimately, though, I'm just >>after authentication against OVMS from WiFi access points that utilize WPA. >>Whatever the solution, it can't involve Linux/UNIX (including Mac OS X), but >>can involve use of Windows, if necessary. An OVMS "native" solution would be >>ideal. >> >As I recall the question was whether radiusvms supported or would soon support >EAP which is required for WPA 802.1x authentication. Right, at least for the native solution, that would certainly need to be resolved. > > >David Webb >Security team leader >CCSS >Middlesex University > > > >>[...] Regards, Mike -- | Systems Specialist: CBE,MSE Michael T. Davis (Mike) | Departmental Networking/Computing http://www.ecr6.ohio-state.edu/~davism/ | The Ohio State University | 197 Watts, (614) 292-6928 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:47:04 -0000 From: IanMiller Subject: Re: Revisited: Wireless (WPA) authentication and OpenVMS Message-ID: <1194022024.288097.103170@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> Why contact Ruslan and ask him. Comtact details on http://starlet.deltatelecom.ru/~laishev/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 01:43:42 -0500 From: "William Webb" Subject: Re: Using USB storage Message-ID: <8660a3a10711012343j491287edi8a725612829285f2@mail.gmail.com> On 10/31/07, Forrest Kenney wrote: > > To use as a backup device you need to format them to > VMS format. Trust me that will wipe out any FAT, GPT or other > data put down Windows. The most likely problem with the > init is the disk is not returning geometry data. Some disk > need to be spun up to do that others do not. My bet is this > is one that does. The existing USB disk driver does not spin > up the disk by default. > > Here is a trick you can try. Do a mount/for this will > probably fail in 20-30 seconds. Try it a couple of times in a > row if the disk mounts, dismount it and then do the init and > mount it again. > > In a future after V8.3-1h1 release the USB disk driver > will address this problem. > > Understand that what you are doing is not supported and > at the write speed you can get from USB 1.1 backing up a couple of > giga-bytes of data takes a long time. > > > Forrest > Dean Woodward wrote: > > > > I'm trying to set myself up to use external USB storage for system > > backups. Maybe I'm expecting a bit much, but in any case I'm > > floundering a bit here, so a couple questions. > > > > I have the following: > > > > - RX2620, running 8.3 > > - USB thumb drive (PNY brand, 2GB) and a > > - I/O Magic USB disk enclosure holding a Western Digital WD400 > > "Caviar" IDE drive. > > > > Question: To use the thumb drive, I seem to have to INITIALIZE it- > > correct? > > > > That part works. When I try to INIT the 40GB disk, it hangs; kill the > > process and it goes MWAIT; shortly after, the machine reboots. Nothing > > seems to get written to the HD- it's fine and works quite well from my > > PC. Should I remove the Windows partition first? > Forrest- Two requests- If you've tested such interesting peripherals as say, USB hamster wheels, I'd bet money that you've spent a good bit of time playing with VMS boots and USB flash drives. What brands of flash drives play better with VMS? Any pointers with respect to booting and USB flash drives? Thanks, and enjoyed meeting you at bootcamp, WWWebb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:54:22 -0400 From: Forrest Kenney Subject: Re: Using USB storage Message-ID: <472B482E.55CA5C0C@hp.com> William Webb wrote: > > On 10/31/07, Forrest Kenney wrote: > > > > To use as a backup device you need to format them to > > VMS format. Trust me that will wipe out any FAT, GPT or other > > data put down Windows. The most likely problem with the > > init is the disk is not returning geometry data. Some disk > > need to be spun up to do that others do not. My bet is this > > is one that does. The existing USB disk driver does not spin > > up the disk by default. > > > > Here is a trick you can try. Do a mount/for this will > > probably fail in 20-30 seconds. Try it a couple of times in a > > row if the disk mounts, dismount it and then do the init and > > mount it again. > > > > In a future after V8.3-1h1 release the USB disk driver > > will address this problem. > > > > Understand that what you are doing is not supported and > > at the write speed you can get from USB 1.1 backing up a couple of > > giga-bytes of data takes a long time. > > > > > > Forrest > > Dean Woodward wrote: > > > > > > I'm trying to set myself up to use external USB storage for system > > > backups. Maybe I'm expecting a bit much, but in any case I'm > > > floundering a bit here, so a couple questions. > > > > > > I have the following: > > > > > > - RX2620, running 8.3 > > > - USB thumb drive (PNY brand, 2GB) and a > > > - I/O Magic USB disk enclosure holding a Western Digital WD400 > > > "Caviar" IDE drive. > > > > > > Question: To use the thumb drive, I seem to have to INITIALIZE it- > > > correct? > > > > > > That part works. When I try to INIT the 40GB disk, it hangs; kill the > > > process and it goes MWAIT; shortly after, the machine reboots. Nothing > > > seems to get written to the HD- it's fine and works quite well from my > > > PC. Should I remove the Windows partition first? > > > > Forrest- > > Two requests- > > If you've tested such interesting peripherals as say, USB hamster > wheels, I'd bet money that you've spent a good bit of time playing > with VMS boots and USB flash drives. > > What brands of flash drives play better with VMS? I have no recommendations for pen drives. I have not even used a pen drive to boot off of in over a year. I don't make any effort to acquire or test pen drives. On occasion someone will stop by with a new one they have. I will see if we can mount it and dump some blocks from it. In the last year I cannot remember a single one that did not just work. For that level of testing. > > Any pointers with respect to booting and USB flash drives? > 1) Avoid the 2600 if at all possible. The firmware that supports ISB is really out of date and not likely to get updated. 2) Keep an eye on the patch site there are new SETBOOT and EFI$CP images coming out. These fix some problems can impact certain sized drives. No I don't know when they will show up. 3) Do a backup/image for a working system or installation kit to the pen drive. Make sure the system you are running backup on has the new EFI$CP and SETBOOT code. 4) REMEMBER WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS NOT SUPPORTED. If it works great if not do not log a problem report or call the support centers about it. > Thanks, and enjoyed meeting you at bootcamp, > > WWWebb Forrest ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:59:07 -0400 From: Forrest Kenney Subject: Re: Using USB storage Message-ID: <472B494B.D82DA5BB@hp.com> The code that builds the GPT's and sets up the parttition that is in V8.3 is just good enough to allow us to boot. There are a number of fixes in the pipeline that will improve that. I know that there are remedial kits in the work. But I do not know when they will ship. Forrest Michael Moroney wrote: > > Somewhat related: What exactly is in the "partition table" when you > $ INITIALIZE/GPT a disk? (used for Itanic system disks to fool the boot > firmware that it's a partitioned disk, not an unpartitioned VMS disk)? > I ask this because I have a VMS-formatted thumb drive, and I recently had > a need for a thumb drive to transfer files from a PC. I was already using > the thumb drive for VMS files for an Itanic and couldn't use it for the > PC. > > Later I got to thinking "wouldn't it be cool" if the thumb drive was > initted/GPT and tinkered with, so there was a VMS "partition" and a > Windoze partition. You could mount a 2GB thumbdrive on VMS and use the > 1GB VMS area and Windoze would recognize its separate 1GB area if inserted > into a Windoze system, for example. Each OS would know not to touch the > other's area. (presumably the VMS part would appear to be in a separate > partition to Windows, and the Windows stuff might be in a 1GB DONTTOUCH.DAT > container file to VMS or something) > > I plugged the $INIT/GPT thumbdrive into a PC and looked at it with some > partition software, and it didn't understand it. I know that VMS creates > a [000000]GPT.SYS which occupies the first and last N blocks of the drive > and the partition stuff is in there. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.600 ************************