INFO-VAX Thu, 01 Nov 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 597 Contents: Re: 9-Track tapes on integrity Re: 9-Track tapes on integrity Re: 9-Track tapes on integrity Re: 9-Track tapes on integrity Re: 9-Track tapes on integrity Announcing: gSoap for OpenVMS blog Re: Disapearing file ! Re: Disapearing file ! Re: EST Fubar Submit to run at 01:05 after EDT becomes EST Using USB storage Re: Using USB storage ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:49:45 +0100 From: Wilm Boerhout Subject: Re: 9-Track tapes on integrity Message-ID: <4728c04d$0$25492$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl> on 31-10-2007 14:18 Tom Linden wrote... > Well you could think of a small alpha as a tape controller Or, if the Itanium won't take it, take a DL360-style Windows server, CHARON (-VAX or -AXP) running on it, the TSZ connected to a SCSI interface in the DL360, and a big sticker "TSZ07 custom tape controller" on the front of the DL360. Looks very modern, fools most managers I'm sure. /Wilm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:54:36 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: 9-Track tapes on integrity Message-ID: On 10/31/07 12:49, Wilm Boerhout wrote: > on 31-10-2007 14:18 Tom Linden wrote... > >> Well you could think of a small alpha as a tape controller > > Or, if the Itanium won't take it, take a DL360-style Windows server, > CHARON (-VAX or -AXP) running on it, the TSZ connected to a SCSI interface > in the DL360, and a big sticker "TSZ07 custom tape controller" on the > front of the DL360. > > Looks very modern, fools most managers I'm sure. But they'll notice the PO for the DL360. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 2007 18:12:11 -0600 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: 9-Track tapes on integrity Message-ID: In article , "Tom Linden" writes: > On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 04:36:29 -0700, Ebinger . Eric > wrote: > >> No, the goal is to get the whole system on Itanium. If that is not >> possible than the rational for moving any of it to Itanium is extremely >> questionable. > > Well you could think of a small alpha as a tape controller Increasing the total number of pieces and thus the number of things that could fail. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:22:46 -0600 From: Jeff Campbell Subject: Re: 9-Track tapes on integrity Message-ID: <1193872571_17735@sp12lax.superfeed.net> Ron Johnson wrote: > On 10/31/07 12:49, Wilm Boerhout wrote: >> on 31-10-2007 14:18 Tom Linden wrote... >> >>> Well you could think of a small alpha as a tape controller >> Or, if the Itanium won't take it, take a DL360-style Windows server, >> CHARON (-VAX or -AXP) running on it, the TSZ connected to a SCSI interface >> in the DL360, and a big sticker "TSZ07 custom tape controller" on the >> front of the DL360. >> >> Looks very modern, fools most managers I'm sure. > > But they'll notice the PO for the DL360. > So buy a ""TSZ07 custom tape controller"" from Islandco! 8-) 8-) ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:11:57 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: 9-Track tapes on integrity Message-ID: On 10/31/07 19:12, Larry Kilgallen wrote: > In article , "Tom Linden" writes: >> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 04:36:29 -0700, Ebinger . Eric >> wrote: >> >>> No, the goal is to get the whole system on Itanium. If that is not >>> possible than the rational for moving any of it to Itanium is extremely >>> questionable. >> Well you could think of a small alpha as a tape controller > > Increasing the total number of pieces and thus the number of things > that could fail. But Alphas don't break... -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:01:33 -0700 From: vax_inated@yahoo.com Subject: Announcing: gSoap for OpenVMS blog Message-ID: <1193853693.535473.160460@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> As a user of GSoap for VMS, I am "passing it along" for the benefit of the extended Uncle VeMuS family: Later, V ***** Subject: gSOAP on OpenVMS: there is a blog for the software in which you may enter bugs, comments, questions and so forth. Folks, we though some of you might find it helpful to be able to share experiences, enter bugs, solutions, questions and perhaps even tell a little about what you are doing. So we created a blog which you can find at: http://johndapps.blogspot.com/ (Forgive the fact that the blog is under my name. Since this is not yet software supported by HP, we have to use non-HP sites for our work, and I already had this blog site.) We hope you all find this useful in one way or another and find the time to let us, and each other, know how things are progressing! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:55:24 -0000 From: "David P. Murphy" Subject: Re: Disapearing file ! Message-ID: <1193856924.931882.157860@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> On Oct 28, 10:03 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > BTW, out of curiosity, if I had a file called: > > very_incriminating_picture_of_politician.jpg > > and I used DELETE/ERASE on that file, is it correct to state that the > filename would remain stored in indexf.sys for a very long time even if > the contents were no longer available ? I don't know the answer to that question, but it's simple to avoid the problem: $ RENAME incriminating.jpg innocent.jpg $ DELETE/ERASE innocent.jpg ok dpm ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 2007 19:59:48 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Disapearing file ! Message-ID: <5os55kFo26ngU1@mid.individual.net> In article <1193856924.931882.157860@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>, "David P. Murphy" writes: > On Oct 28, 10:03 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > >> BTW, out of curiosity, if I had a file called: >> >> very_incriminating_picture_of_politician.jpg >> >> and I used DELETE/ERASE on that file, is it correct to state that the >> filename would remain stored in indexf.sys for a very long time even if >> the contents were no longer available ? > > I don't know the answer to that question, but it's simple to avoid the > problem: > > $ RENAME incriminating.jpg innocent.jpg > $ DELETE/ERASE innocent.jpg > > ok > dpm Which is why the FBI will take all your backups as well. Just ask Ollie North. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 23:47:18 +0100 From: "Dr. Dweeb" Subject: Re: EST Fubar Message-ID: <472905f6$0$21928$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article <47287441$0$7612$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>, > "Dr. Dweeb" writes: >> AEF wrote: >>> On Oct 29, 9:03 pm, "Dr. Dweeb" wrote: >>>> JF Mezei wrote: >>>>> Neil Rieck wrote: >>>>>> Timezone FYI, >>>> >>>>>> This morning (Sunday Oct 28) I got a call about a Solaris >>>>>> application that desided to transition from EDT to EST a week >>>>>> early. >>>> >>>>> Couple weeks ago, I installed a new thermostat to save energy. The >>>>> PDF I have foudn on the net provided listing of the "register" >>>>> values that could be set and had 0 for no automatic DST, and 1 for >>>>> automatic DST. So I set it to "1" since I had just bought this >>>>> thermostat and figured it would be according to current rules of >>>>> EST/DST. >>>> >>>>> It changed time this morning anyways. This time, I checked the >>>>> printed manual to get the register number so I could disable it, >>>>> and low and behold, the printed manual showed a possible value of >>>>> 2 for DST changes for 2007 and beyond ! >>>> >>>>> Interesting that the printed manual had been updated, but not the >>>>> on-line PDFs ! >>>> >>>> Today I looked at my SQLServer Job logs, there was a job scheduled >>>> for 03:00 this morning, which of course started on time, but >>>> finished before it started. This resulted in a VERY bizarre >>>> duration value in the log. >>>> >>>> Dr. Dweeb >>> >>> So tell us this bizarre value! Unless it was just a negative time. >>> >>> AEF >> >> -3976.21:20:27 > > Stardate? Klingon clock? Quantum Thread Time? :-) > WTFK ! > bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:41:13 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Submit to run at 01:05 after EDT becomes EST Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0071A2FA85257385_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" If I want to submit a batch job to execute at 01:05 after the clock resets from EDT to EST, can I submit it to run after 1:55 and put a $WAIT 01:10:00 in it, then $@whatever.com In other words, will the WAIT count time units and ignore the clock? --=_alternative 0071A2FA85257385_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"

If I want to submit a batch job to execute at 01:05 after the clock resets from EDT to EST,
can I submit it to run after 1:55 and put a
$WAIT 01:10:00
in it, then
$@whatever.com

In other words, will the WAIT count time units and ignore the clock?
--=_alternative 0071A2FA85257385_=-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:59:34 -0000 From: Dean Woodward Subject: Using USB storage Message-ID: <1193860774.188603.121360@v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com> I'm trying to set myself up to use external USB storage for system backups. Maybe I'm expecting a bit much, but in any case I'm floundering a bit here, so a couple questions. I have the following: - RX2620, running 8.3 - USB thumb drive (PNY brand, 2GB) and a - I/O Magic USB disk enclosure holding a Western Digital WD400 "Caviar" IDE drive. Question: To use the thumb drive, I seem to have to INITIALIZE it- correct? That part works. When I try to INIT the 40GB disk, it hangs; kill the process and it goes MWAIT; shortly after, the machine reboots. Nothing seems to get written to the HD- it's fine and works quite well from my PC. Should I remove the Windows partition first? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:36:43 -0400 From: Forrest Kenney Subject: Re: Using USB storage Message-ID: <4728F56B.2410DB31@hp.com> To use as a backup device you need to format them to VMS format. Trust me that will wipe out any FAT, GPT or other data put down Windows. The most likely problem with the init is the disk is not returning geometry data. Some disk need to be spun up to do that others do not. My bet is this is one that does. The existing USB disk driver does not spin up the disk by default. Here is a trick you can try. Do a mount/for this will probably fail in 20-30 seconds. Try it a couple of times in a row if the disk mounts, dismount it and then do the init and mount it again. In a future after V8.3-1h1 release the USB disk driver will address this problem. Understand that what you are doing is not supported and at the write speed you can get from USB 1.1 backing up a couple of giga-bytes of data takes a long time. Forrest Dean Woodward wrote: > > I'm trying to set myself up to use external USB storage for system > backups. Maybe I'm expecting a bit much, but in any case I'm > floundering a bit here, so a couple questions. > > I have the following: > > - RX2620, running 8.3 > - USB thumb drive (PNY brand, 2GB) and a > - I/O Magic USB disk enclosure holding a Western Digital WD400 > "Caviar" IDE drive. > > Question: To use the thumb drive, I seem to have to INITIALIZE it- > correct? > > That part works. When I try to INIT the 40GB disk, it hangs; kill the > process and it goes MWAIT; shortly after, the machine reboots. Nothing > seems to get written to the HD- it's fine and works quite well from my > PC. Should I remove the Windows partition first? ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.597 ************************