INFO-VAX Sun, 28 Oct 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 590 Contents: Business Directory Re: Disapearing file ! Re: Disapearing file ! Re: Disapearing file ! EST Fubar Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: MAC OS-X or Linux ? Re: MAC OS-X or Linux ? Re: MAC OS-X or Linux ? Re: MAC OS-X or Linux ? Re: MAC OS-X or Linux ? Re: Still more NFS problems - and happy birthday VMS Suggestion for MOSAIC VAX hardware clock question Re: VAX hardware clock question Where's "Misery" Deininger? (Was: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 04:11:41 -0700 From: "he.zong" Subject: Business Directory Message-ID: <1193569901.096998.17710@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Submit your website here. www.digbanner.com. It is free. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 03:19:05 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Disapearing file ! Message-ID: Addendum: Seems mozilla deleted far more than just one file. It would start, and list messages in a newsgroups, but couldn't display any of them because it had forgotten how to display message/rfc822 messages ! And it was also incapable of HTTPS: transactions or unable to save messages either. If this message goes through, it means that re-installing Mozilla in the sys$common:[cswb] fixed the problem. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 03:25:28 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Disapearing file ! Message-ID: JF Mezei wrote: > Addendum: #2 I am again able to post to newsgroups. But HTTPS transactions still disabled. It pops an alert: This document cannot be displayed unless you install the Personal Security Manager (PSM) Download and install PSM and try again, or contact your system administrator. (so, here I go talkin to myself again :-( If they do port Firefox to VMS, I would suggest they remove every delete command from the source code. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 10:26:25 -0400 From: "Peter Weaver" Subject: Re: Disapearing file ! Message-ID: <1c6301c8196e$85f8ef40$2802a8c0@CHARONLAP> >... > Tonight, Mozilla crashed for some reason. When I tried to restart it from > the same window (just uparrow to recall the @MOZILLA command), VMS told me > that the file didn't exist. >... > SEARCH INDEXF.SYS MOZILLA.COM reveals there is a MOZILLA.COM;5 on that > disk. > > But DIR disk:[000000...]*mozilla*.com yields nothing. >... > Does anyone know of a tool to report on a file found in INDEXF.SYS to dump > all the data for that record and possibly dump the blocks associated with > that file ? (perhaps the contents have not been overwitten even if > allocated to another file ?) Is it possible that you have somehow executed the SET PROCESS/CASE=SENSITIVE command? What does DFU SEARCH disk/FILE=MOZILLA.COM/FULL tell you? Peter Weaver www.weaverconsulting.ca CHARON-VAX CHARON-AXP DataStream Reflection PreciseMail HP Commercial Hardware ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 10:12:10 -0700 From: Neil Rieck Subject: EST Fubar Message-ID: <1193591530.303808.84300@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com> Timezone FYI, This morning (Sunday Oct 28) I got a call about a Solaris application that desided to transition from EDT to EST a week early. This wasn't supposed to happen until next Sunday (Nov 4). All the Solaris patches had been installed and everything at the UNIX level indicated the correct time and timezone (EDT) but some idiot at the application level decided to go his own way. The vendor claimed to have patched the app but I suspect that they only got the 2007-Mar thing fixed. The only way out of my dilema was to set the app to "GMT-4". p.s. affected 21,000 customers Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 05:47:52 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: <1193575672.004968.232610@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com> On Oct 27, 11:06 am, "Main, Kerry" wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca] > > Sent: October 27, 2007 6:13 AM > > To: Info-...@Mvb.Saic.Com > > Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young > > > To all those who complain about me. > > > There will come a time (perhaps sooner rather than later) where I > > really > > just won't care anymore about VMS and will laugh instead of cry when HP > > execs go in public to mention that VMS is for the installed based only > > and will now refrain from saying anything more than "we will continue > > to > > support it" (with the word "developed" no longer mentioned.) And when > > HP > > announces the end of the line for VMS, it won't bother me anymore > > because I will have moved on to a platform that doesn't generate so > > much > > anger and incertainty because the vendor is unwilling to do the > > simplest > > things to market the product and try to give it the life it deserves. > > > I was about to write a nice "press release" example to show what HP > > could have done to really celebrate the 30th anniversary, but you know > > what, I don't care anymore. > > > TO Mr Main: you essentially called me a twit for thinking it was > > possible for a multi-billion dollar corporation to put one its own own > > products on its front web page: minutes later, someone pointed out that > > it had in fact been put on the HP web page in a semi-visible way > > (doesn't work with secured browsers). I don't expect an apology from > > you, but I hope you have learned that even for large corporations, > > where > > there is a will, there is a way. > > First - I did not infer you were a twit. On the contrary, While I may not > agree with all of the doom-n-gloom, you have a huge passion for OpenVMS and > technically very astute. There is no doubt about that. > > Apology? I was simply pointing out that the main HP.com page is usually > reserved for Mom and Pop looking for entertainment, printer drivers, laptops > and desktop type stuff. > > And I was not kidding when I said HP literally has hundreds of products. > > The fact that HP put OpenVMS on the main site is a huge step for HP - when > was the last time anyone saw HP-UX or NSK on the front page like this? It doesn't matter to him or others like him. I can see it now: "Yeah, it's on the front page, but that's only if you look at it!" -OR- "... but that's only if you go to the site!" (!!!) > In the past, threads here were full of "Why can't HP get Mark Hurd to say > some positive things about OpenVMS?" and "why can't HP promote OpenVMS > more on its non-OpenVMS web pages?" Again, I can hear the following: "Yeah, but that's only if you listen to him!" I'm surprised these comments haven't already been made! ;-) > So, HP made both these happen and yet there are still some on this list who > refuse to even acknowledge this as a good thing. Yep! I, for one, think this is great. > > Yes, there is lots more to do, but as they say, lets enjoy the moment. Agreed! Some POSITIVE letters to hp execs wouldn't hurt. Be thankful and encourage more of the same. [...] > Regards > > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant > HP Services Canada > Voice: 613-592-4660 > Fax: 613-591-4477 > kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom > (remove the DOT's and AT) > > OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. Another great sig worth the repetition it gets. AEF ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 10:09:30 -0500 From: D Gillbilly Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: <0h89i3d2fr5fdfqucdftn6potirc7mlane@4ax.com> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:16:43 -0700, IanMiller wrote: >Visit >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/30th/index.html >and see Mark Hurd talk about VMS!!! > >Post your own message at http://h71000.www7.hp.com/fb_30years.html Tongue-in-cheek Personal Opinion (as it always is... :-) *The amazing OS you've never heard of* Positive, self-depreciating humor mixed with a little wonder and mystery. Let's see, in less than a month, I have been transformed from a legacy programmer, writing code on a perceived near dead OS, for a market segment that the Vendor has yet to acknowledge, into a programmer that writes heavily researched, highly auditable 64 bit Small Business applications on the most amazing OS you've never heard of. How cool is that. :-) And I'm from Nova Scotia :-) *Looking Toward The Future* Positive and forward sounding mixed with hope and no false promises. If you meant that as a challenge, I accept. :-) Does getting OpenVMS on the Small & Medium Business tab within 2-5 years sound like a worthwhile goal? :-) Thank You Mr Vendor. I haven't felt this good about the future of OpenVMS in a long time. Duane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 15:55:11 +0100 From: "Dr. Dweeb" Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: <4724a2e9$0$21932$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk> AEF wrote: > On Oct 27, 11:06 am, "Main, Kerry" wrote: >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca] >>> Sent: October 27, 2007 6:13 AM >>> To: Info-...@Mvb.Saic.Com >>> Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young >> >>> To all those who complain about me. >> >>> There will come a time (perhaps sooner rather than later) where I >>> really >>> just won't care anymore about VMS and will laugh instead of cry >>> when HP execs go in public to mention that VMS is for the installed >>> based only and will now refrain from saying anything more than "we >>> will continue to >>> support it" (with the word "developed" no longer mentioned.) And >>> when HP >>> announces the end of the line for VMS, it won't bother me anymore >>> because I will have moved on to a platform that doesn't generate so >>> much >>> anger and incertainty because the vendor is unwilling to do the >>> simplest >>> things to market the product and try to give it the life it >>> deserves. >> >>> I was about to write a nice "press release" example to show what HP >>> could have done to really celebrate the 30th anniversary, but you >>> know what, I don't care anymore. >> >>> TO Mr Main: you essentially called me a twit for thinking it was >>> possible for a multi-billion dollar corporation to put one its own >>> own products on its front web page: minutes later, someone pointed >>> out that it had in fact been put on the HP web page in a >>> semi-visible way (doesn't work with secured browsers). I don't >>> expect an apology from you, but I hope you have learned that even >>> for large corporations, where >>> there is a will, there is a way. >> >> First - I did not infer you were a twit. On the contrary, While I >> may not agree with all of the doom-n-gloom, you have a huge passion >> for OpenVMS and technically very astute. There is no doubt about >> that. >> >> Apology? I was simply pointing out that the main HP.com page is >> usually reserved for Mom and Pop looking for entertainment, printer >> drivers, laptops and desktop type stuff. >> >> And I was not kidding when I said HP literally has hundreds of >> products. >> >> The fact that HP put OpenVMS on the main site is a huge step for HP >> - when was the last time anyone saw HP-UX or NSK on the front page >> like this? > > It doesn't matter to him or others like him. I can see it now: > > "Yeah, it's on the front page, but that's only if you look at it!" > > -OR- > > "... but that's only if you go to the site!" (!!!) > >> In the past, threads here were full of "Why can't HP get Mark Hurd >> to say some positive things about OpenVMS?" and "why can't HP >> promote OpenVMS >> more on its non-OpenVMS web pages?" > > Again, I can hear the following: > > "Yeah, but that's only if you listen to him!" > > I'm surprised these comments haven't already been made! ;-) > >> So, HP made both these happen and yet there are still some on this >> list who refuse to even acknowledge this as a good thing. > > Yep! I, for one, think this is great. > >> >> Yes, there is lots more to do, but as they say, lets enjoy the >> moment. > > Agreed! Some POSITIVE letters to hp execs wouldn't hurt. Be thankful > and encourage more of the same. > > [...] > >> Regards >> >> Kerry Main >> Senior Consultant >> HP Services Canada >> Voice: 613-592-4660 >> Fax: 613-591-4477 >> kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom >> (remove the DOT's and AT) >> >> OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. > > Another great sig worth the repetition it gets. > > AEF Hey, I think it is a step forward (as Kerry pointed out) that VMS is getting a bit of visibility. Too little too late, but every move in the right direction is a good move. Dweeb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 16:00:59 +0100 From: "Dr. Dweeb" Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: <4724a445$0$21924$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk> Ken Robinson wrote: > On 10/27/07, Dr. Dweeb wrote (in part): > >> Anyway, guys, like I have said before - there is no future for VMS >> because HP does not want one. It constitutes about 1% of the >> revenues (a wild unsubstantiated guess to make a point) and is thus >> off Hurd's radar. We all need to deal with it and get on with our >> lives, looking after our families and looking forward to retirement >> on some tropical island. > > There's a good article on internetnews.com about the 30th Anniversary > . It seems > to contradict your opinion. One quote I find particularly interesting > is "As part of its anniversary celebrations, HP is rolling out a new > marketing campaign for the middle-aged OS,". > I have not seen any evidence of this new campaign. Some references would be nice. Hey, I have a very large SQLServer envornment running on DELLs that is a PITA, and I would love to convert to VMS/Rdb - it would solve so many issues I have in terms of uptime and management, but most significantly, backup/recover and disatser recovery and tolerance - but you know what? I have the budget, the authority and the repsonsibility - but cannot bring myself to even go through the process of doing the CostBenefit and migration alayses, because in the end, I have no faith in HP - zero, noth, nada. And where would I find a systems manager to set it up, and run it? They are few and far between, and no one I know who has left the VMS world has any intention of returning (and yes, I asked 2 or 3 I know). And this is from someone who made a good career and fed his family for decades via VMS. Dweeb. > Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:11:41 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: <4724A6AD.1060202@comcast.net> Dr. Dweeb wrote: > Ken Robinson wrote: > >>On 10/27/07, Dr. Dweeb wrote (in part): >> >> >>>Anyway, guys, like I have said before - there is no future for VMS > And where would I find a systems manager to set it up, and run it? They are > few and far between, and no one I know who has left the VMS world has any > intention of returning (and yes, I asked 2 or 3 I know). > Look no further. I'm available! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 10:44:17 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: On 10/28/07 10:00, Dr. Dweeb wrote: [snip] > > Hey, I have a very large SQLServer envornment running on DELLs that is a > PITA, and I would love to convert to VMS/Rdb - it would solve so many issues > I have in terms of uptime and management, but most significantly, > backup/recover and disatser recovery and tolerance - but you know what? I Why does backup/recovery have to be so complicated? Are IBM (and presumably Burroughs and Univac) and DEC developers the only competent ones in the world? > have the budget, the authority and the repsonsibility - but cannot bring > myself to even go through the process of doing the CostBenefit and migration > alayses, because in the end, I have no faith in HP - zero, noth, nada. > > And where would I find a systems manager to set it up, and run it? They are > few and far between, and no one I know who has left the VMS world has any > intention of returning (and yes, I asked 2 or 3 I know). > > And this is from someone who made a good career and fed his family for > decades via VMS. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:51:27 -0400 From: "Ken Robinson" Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: <7dd80f60710280851h4c6bb040ld5084bd7f4445b9d@mail.gmail.com> On 10/28/07, Dr. Dweeb wrote (in part): > I have not seen any evidence of this new campaign. Some references would be > nice. Neither have I, that's why I found that quote interesting. > > Hey, I have a very large SQLServer envornment running on DELLs that is a > PITA, and I would love to convert to VMS/Rdb - it would solve so many issues > I have in terms of uptime and management, but most significantly, > backup/recover and disatser recovery and tolerance - but you know what? I > have the budget, the authority and the repsonsibility - but cannot bring > myself to even go through the process of doing the CostBenefit and migration > alayses, because in the end, I have no faith in HP - zero, noth, nada. > > And where would I find a systems manager to set it up, and run it? They are > few and far between, and no one I know who has left the VMS world has any > intention of returning (and yes, I asked 2 or 3 I know). If you can't find an experienced System Manager, train a new one. All of the people who are/have been VMS System Managers didn't come fully trained in their first positions. We learned via formal training, on the job training, at DECUS symposiums (now VMS Boot Camp), and later by using on-line resources. Yes, the experienced VMS System Managers are few and far between, but we are out here and many would jump at the chance to do a migration TO VMS. BTW, my contract just got extended for another 6 months, so I may be available at the end of June. Where are you located?? :-) Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:58:06 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: <4724B18E.5050708@comcast.net> Ron Johnson wrote: > On 10/28/07 10:00, Dr. Dweeb wrote: > [snip] > >>Hey, I have a very large SQLServer envornment running on DELLs that is a >>PITA, and I would love to convert to VMS/Rdb - it would solve so many issues >>I have in terms of uptime and management, but most significantly, >>backup/recover and disatser recovery and tolerance - but you know what? I > > > Why does backup/recovery have to be so complicated? Are IBM (and > presumably Burroughs and Univac) and DEC developers the only > competent ones in the world? > > Because, unless you can shut down the application(s) and quiesce the system, you are shooting at a moving target! It's a rare system that you can just shut down because you think you ought to make a backup! People go through some very complex gyrations to get a consistent snapshot of the system because it CAN'T be down. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:43:07 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: On 10/28/07 10:58, Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 10/28/07 10:00, Dr. Dweeb wrote: >> [snip] >> >>> Hey, I have a very large SQLServer envornment running on DELLs that >>> is a PITA, and I would love to convert to VMS/Rdb - it would solve so >>> many issues I have in terms of uptime and management, but most >>> significantly, backup/recover and disatser recovery and tolerance - >>> but you know what? I >> >> >> Why does backup/recovery have to be so complicated? Are IBM (and >> presumably Burroughs and Univac) and DEC developers the only >> competent ones in the world? >> >> > > Because, unless you can shut down the application(s) and quiesce the > system, you are shooting at a moving target! It's a rare system that > you can just shut down because you think you ought to make a backup! > > People go through some very complex gyrations to get a consistent > snapshot of the system because it CAN'T be down. It's *not* rocket science. DEC engineers figured out 23 years ago how to do a "hot" backup of a relational database. (It just a read only transaction...) -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 03:54:47 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: MAC OS-X or Linux ? Message-ID: On 10/27/07 22:19, Jeff Campbell wrote: > VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> In article <1193518317_13445@sp12lax.superfeed.net>, Jeff Campbell >> writes: >> {...snip...} >>>> When the VNC server dies on the Weendoze box, how to you access it >>>> to restore your accessibility? >>>> >>>> >>> Telnet in and restart. 8-) >> >> There is a cli command to do this? Please, do tell. This periodic >> VNC server death is maddening. > > Log in as administrator and issue: > > net start winvnc4 > > which starts the service. Only if there's someone there to log in at the console... > net start > > will show you the currently running services. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 12:49:09 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: MAC OS-X or Linux ? Message-ID: <9z%Ui.33$FZ5.19@newsfe12.lga> In article <1193541160_13971@sp12lax.superfeed.net>, Jeff Campbell writes: > > >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> In article <1193518317_13445@sp12lax.superfeed.net>, Jeff Campbell writes: >> {...snip...} >>>> When the VNC server dies on the Weendoze box, how to you access it to >>>> restore your accessibility? >>>> >>>> >>> Telnet in and restart. 8-) >> >> There is a cli command to do this? Please, do tell. This periodic VNC >> server death is maddening. > >Log in as administrator and issue: > > net start winvnc4 OK. Tenlet was not enabled but I figured that out and I can now telnet to this weendoze box. net start winvnc4 did not work. I found I had to use: net start "VNC Server" I don't like using telnet over the internet. Is there a way to get ssh to startup on weendoze? I didn't see anything in the {Services} window about ssh. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 12:18:17 -0400 From: Stephen Hoffman Subject: Re: MAC OS-X or Linux ? Message-ID: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > I don't like using telnet over the internet. Is there a way to get ssh to > startup on weendoze? I didn't see anything in the {Services} window about > ssh. AFAIK, ssh server and ssh client are available as an add-on prior to Microsoft Windows Vista. CopSSH and OpenSSH are some of the server choices around, and PuTTY and other similar tools can provide client ssh. VPNs are a typical approach for protecting telnet, SMB and other Microsoft Windows protocols. Folks are generally not using IPv6 and IPSec, but that's another approach. Linux, Mac OS X and Unix platforms -- and recent OpenVMS with TCP/IP stacks -- typically have ssh client and server capabilities baked in. As JF has discovered, Mac OS X has a telnet server, but requires an explicit management command to enable it. http://help.lockergnome.com/windows/help-setting-SSH-Server-Windows-XP-ftopict583194.html -- www.HoffmanLabs.com Services for OpenVMS ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 17:35:10 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: MAC OS-X or Linux ? Message-ID: In article <1acdd$4720ab25$cef8887a$15776@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei wrote: > While I still haven't found a way to telnet into the mac, I can ssh into > it and issue plenty of unix commands. And I can run X applications on > the mac that display on an x terminal. (But the native mac applications > don't do that). That's because telnet comes disabled "out of the box", which is as it should be. I'll agree it's a bit of a swine to enable when you do want it for something. -- Paul Sture Sue's OpenVMS bookmarks: http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~sture/ovms-bookmarks.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 17:48:02 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: MAC OS-X or Linux ? Message-ID: In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > I believe it is part of the bigger Universal Access features. The Mac and > OS X are big amongst the blind/nearly-blind and those with other handicaps. > Having the application ICON grow in size makes it easier for people with a > vision problem to better see. > On that note I was recently trying to read a website with very low contrast (light lettering on light background), and discovered that ctrl-alt-cmd-8 toggles reverse video. Hey presto, what I had been struggling to read became very readable. -- Paul Sture Sue's OpenVMS bookmarks: http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~sture/ovms-bookmarks.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:59:43 +1100 From: Gremlin Subject: Re: Still more NFS problems - and happy birthday VMS Message-ID: <13i8gbhqpdhre2c@corp.supernews.com> Hi JF Well, in the proxy database on vms I mapped system and my username, system to UID 0 and GID 0, my username to the same value specified in the password file in Windows. Then, using the MS tool on the server, I mapped the "unix" username SYSTEM to the Windows username Domain Administrator and gave it UID 0 and GID 0. I then mapped my "unix" username to my Windows username and gave it the same UID and GID as in the passwd file on Windows. Anonymous access UID -2, GID -2 is allowed on the Windows NFS server as a "catch all" in case mapping fails.... On Windows, the nfssvc service is running happily and logging mount/unmounts, so I can only assume that it is really there - VMS also is happy to see it. There don't appear to be any other bits on the Windows side, expected or running. The client is running on the VMS side (hence the mount/unmount). On VMS, I have tried mounting using every combination of UID/GUI/path etc - and apart from obvious errors (all logged), the mount/unmount process works fine. The reads fail no matter what combination I have tried on anything..... So, just jumped onto a SuSE and Redhat client, used the linux NFS client to map and browse - works like a charm. Therefore, Windows2003 is serving it fine, something on VMS is broken.....stopped and restarted the client on VMS - still won't do it. JF Mezei wrote: > Gremlin wrote: >> On Windows, the UNIX (ie VMS) username SYSTEM is mapped to a domain >> administrator account, anonymous access is allowed and a NFS share is >> created. The Windows log shows no errors > > "SYSTEM" doesn't really exist in NFS parlance. UID and GID values are > exchanged. > > On VMS, when you issue a TCPIP MOUNT command, the GID/UID values are > either specified in the MOUNT command, or VMS looks at the proxy > database for a record with your username in it and uses UID/GID > associated with this, or of there is nothing available, it uses a > default value of -2 -2 . > > On unix servers, you have options of mapping the incoming remote UID/GID > values to the local user database. You can't really do that on windows > or VMS since the UID/GID values have no meaning on their systems. > > On all systems, you also have options to map incoming requests to > specific local usernames. > >> From VMS, I can mount the NFS disk and unmount it, but I cannot do >> any file access at all. > > It appears that just mounting doesn't do that much. (mountd deamon), but > when you then try to access files, it is a different process (nfsd) > which handles the requests. > > > >> wasn't really happening - just timing out as the VMS message says. > > Perhaps the mountd process is running, but the nfsd deamon isn't running ? > > The fact that VMS is waiting for a response and timing out is an > indication that, instead of getting a bad status code from the server, > VMS isn't getting any responses. Remember that NFS is usually UDP > traffic, so there is no concept of a dropped connection. You can reboot > the server and the client can happily continue to access his files. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 03:51:07 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Suggestion for MOSAIC Message-ID: Running Mosaic 4-2. It would be very convenient to have behave as with mozilla and close the current window. (note that SAFARI uses the key-W as well (except KEY=COMMAND instead of CTRL) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 13:17:58 GMT From: gerry77@no.spam.mail.com Subject: VAX hardware clock question Message-ID: <9m09i3h9t7ouv4fc5pgris7t2i08jaca6k@4ax.com> Hello everyone, even if I've read more than once all the relevant comp.os.vms messages and some other online documents and FAQs, it's not very clear to me if to be safe I should do a SET TIME some time before the 467th day since the last time I did it (no matter which day and month), or if I should do it anyway some time before April 11th each year, even if the system isn't approaching the 467 days limit. BTW, I do know that system time runs on its own and does not reference the hardware clock except during bootstrap and SET TIME. Thank you, G. (Hobbyist system manager from Italy) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:51:55 -0400 From: Stephen Hoffman Subject: Re: VAX hardware clock question Message-ID: gerry77@no.spam.mail.com wrote: > even if I've read more than once all the relevant comp.os.vms messages > and some other online documents and FAQs, it's not very clear to me if > to be safe I should do a SET TIME some time before the 467th day since > the last time I did it (no matter which day and month), or if I should > do it anyway some time before April 11th each year, even if the system > isn't approaching the 467 days limit. > > BTW, I do know that system time runs on its own and does not reference > the hardware clock except during bootstrap and SET TIME. I'm going to guess at what seems to be confusing you, and have queued the following addition for the next edition of the OpenVMS FAQ: [[The SET TIME command is expected harmless (SHUTDOWN.COM issues this command during a controlled shutdown), though there have been reports where the SET TIME command processing has been seen to cause the saved system time to drift by a few seconds or so during its processing. A VAX system manager could choose to issue the SET TIME command on a regular schedule (eg: monthly), though it is particularly the window between 1-Jan and approximately 11-Apr each year that is key to this sequence; where the year value saved in the VAX TOY can be reset. Other than within this particular window, the current year matches the year saved in the VAX system image. See [4.2 Keeping the OpenVMS system time synchronized?] for how to keep the system time synchronized with an external time base. Some drift is inherent in any free-running clock. -- During the OpenVMS VAX bootstrap, the system time is synthesized from the time and day value saved in the TOY and the year value saved in the VAX system image SYS.EXE. The SET TIME command writes the time and day value to the TOY and the full quadword time (including the year) into the SYS.EXE system image.]] -- If the above does not address your concerns, some details on your confusion might be helpful. -- www.HoffmanLabs.com Services for OpenVMS ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 16:51:21 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Where's "Misery" Deininger? (Was: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young) Message-ID: Hi Paul, In my opinion there is rarely a call, or justification, for the use of such intemperate language in civilized society; not that that has anything to do with COV (or the world at large :-) But I'm just curious as to why Robert Whininger hasn't come out in sympathy with you. I'd certainly hate to think that I was being stalked or that it was only my Web Pages that he felt compelled to critique publicly! Cheers Richard Maher "P. Sture" wrote in message news:paul.sture.nospam-AFCCCD.18453925102007@mac.sture.ch... > In article <13i1a58g2puui17@corp.supernews.com>, > "Syltrem" wrote: > > > I won't be able to attend the webcast tomorrow. > > > > Can someone ask Martin Fink (at the webcast) why there's not a link on the > > www.hp.com page to that 30 years celebration ? > > That's not expensive to do at all, and would add some visibility. > > After all, HP is celebrating, or is it not.? > > > > Please do not answer ! Let Mr. Fink do. > > I _would_ make the time to attend the webcast, but the silly buggers > told me this in an email: > > --- start quote --- > First Time Participant Registration Instructions: > > 1. Go to http://www.regontap.com/encompass/index.html > > ... > > 6. Please note the RegonTap registration website will NOT work with Mac > or Linux machines. > > Gerhard Wedenig > Chairman HP-Interex EMEA > E-Mail: hp-interex-communications@associationhq.com > > --- end quote --- > > It's fucking disgusting. > > -- > Paul Sture > > Sue's OpenVMS bookmarks: > http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~sture/ovms-bookmarks.html ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.590 ************************