INFO-VAX Thu, 25 Oct 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 584 Contents: Re: Bush, Rice actions may bring judgment of God on U.S. Re: DE500-XA on XP1000 Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: MAC OS-X or Linux ? Re: MAC OS-X or Linux ? Re: MAC OS-X or Linux ? Re: MAC OS-X or Linux ? new proxy sites Planning proper NFS exports Re: Planning proper NFS exports PLUG: txt2pdf 9.5 Some success with VMS-NFS serving OS-X Re: Some success with VMS-NFS serving OS-X Re: Some success with VMS-NFS serving OS-X Re: Some success with VMS-NFS serving OS-X Re: SUBMIT command Re: SUBMIT command Re: SUBMIT command Re: SUBMIT command Re: unix "batch processing" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 05:07:44 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: Bush, Rice actions may bring judgment of God on U.S. Message-ID: <1193314064.587513.294360@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Oct 25, 8:01 am, davi...@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > In article <1193278149.992365.80...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: > > >On Oct 24, 7:24 pm, davi...@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > >> In article , koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:>In article , davi...@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: > > >> >> No WNT is a fallen angel it's heart (kernel) was originally created in the > >> >> image of VMS but became corrupted and twisted and was cast out to torment > >> >> mankind. > > >> > Only the I/O subsystems in any way resemble each other. The rest of > >> > the kernels do not. > > >> As I recall Helen Custer's Inside Windows NT showed that a lot more than just > >> the I/O subsystems resembled those of VMS. > > >Hard to believe. I remember NT as riding a road along the edge of a > >cliff without any guard rails. > > I'm talking about the architectural structure not the implementation. Though I > think the NT kernel implementation was actually quite good but in NT 4.0 they > moved the Graphics Device interface into the Kernel to speed up the GUI which > caused problems. > > David Webb > Security team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University > > > > >> David Webb > >> Security team leader > >> CCSS > >> Middlesex University > > >> > But it is surely Satan's spawn and his name is Bill. > > >AEF OK AEF ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2007 10:24:27 -0500 From: brooks_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Brooks -- HP) Subject: Re: DE500-XA on XP1000 Message-ID: Note -- the HP access to usenet has been disrupted by the fires in San Diego. Below are a couple of notes from two days ago that did not make it out. "Tom Linden" writes: >> 1) at the console, set ewb0_mode to fastFD > (1) It is What's the switch set to? As the -XA does not autonegotiate, if the console is set to FastFD, the switch port should be set to FastFD. If the switch is set to autonegotiate, the console should be set to Fast (this is what the ethernet engineer has suggested) >> 3) are there any "EWB" devices besides the template device (EWB0)? > (3) yes 0 through 12 all online So that means that VMS sees the device and various protocols are running on them (you can see what protocols are associated with which device with $ SHOW DEVICE/FULL EWB More from the ethernet driver guy . . . "He probably does have a duplex mode mismatch. Or he has the speed wrong so it doesn't work at all. A simple glance at the internal counters and device counters, LANCP SHOW DEV/INT and DEV/COU would identify what the problem was, most likely." His response to my question of the -XA on the XP1000 . . . "Yes, it should work. I'm sure it does." -- Rob Brooks MSL -- Nashua brooks!cuebid.zko.hp.com ============================================ "Tom Linden" writes: > I thought I could look at the SRM variable with ^P and then resume with > CONT. But it crashed:-( and caused all the shadow in the SAN to start > merge :-( :-( I should have reset that cluster time variable, whatever it > is called. HBMM is your friend . . . > I wonder if it isn't a driver issue? See my previous post -- the ethernet driver maintainer says that it should work. -- Rob Brooks MSL -- Nashua brooks!cuebid.zko.hp.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:16:43 -0700 From: IanMiller Subject: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: <1193307403.906042.299730@o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com> Visit http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/30th/index.html and see Mark Hurd talk about VMS!!! Post your own message at http://h71000.www7.hp.com/fb_30years.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:54:30 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: <78a89$472075e7$cef8887a$3726@TEKSAVVY.COM> IanMiller wrote: > Visit > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/30th/index.html > and see Mark Hurd talk about VMS!!! In normal companies, it would not be considered a special event to have the CEO mention one of his products. And since HP is intent on circumscribing its discussions to only the remaining installed base, there is no rejoicing in having some clueless CEO implicitely confirm they have no intentions of growing VMS, or re-instating the engineering numbers needed to keep VMS moving forwards. Since Ann Livermore is still in her position, despite having confirmed in a major newspaper that Stallard's absolute blunder of May 7th 2002 was in fact corporate policy even in 2007, then one cannot but conclude that Hurd agrees with this policy. (catering to installed base in the hopes that they remain with HP when they drop VMS). At least HP is now much more open about its policy of downsizing VMS out of existance and moving the few key ISVs such as Cerner to other HP products before VMS sinks. When VMS engineers were stating that there were no plans to move VMS beyond that IA64 contraption, perhaps they were sending a clear message that VMS is now in a dead end and the end is coming soon when IA64 is confirmed as a mature platform in a year or two. My only hope is that the vast majority of those leaving VMS will not be HP customers after VMS. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:02:10 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: In article <1193307403.906042.299730@o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, IanMiller writes: > > >Visit >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/30th/index.html >and see Mark Hurd talk about VMS!!! > >Post your own message at http://h71000.www7.hp.com/fb_30years.html OpvnVMS is misspelled on that page! :roll: -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:19:18 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: JF Mezei wrote: > When VMS engineers were stating that there were no > plans to move VMS beyond that IA64... As there wasn't any plans to move VMS beyond VAX when *that* arhitecture was new. Or beyond Alpha when that one was new. And so on. Why whould there be ? You know, you aren't even funny anymore, just boring... Best Regards, Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:16:22 -0400 From: "Ken Robinson" Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: <7dd80f60710250616p345439eev46a7513a1ad49b8e@mail.gmail.com> On 10/25/07, IanMiller wrote: > Visit > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/30th/index.html > and see Mark Hurd talk about VMS!!! > > Post your own message at http://h71000.www7.hp.com/fb_30years.html > > Comments about the web site: * The audio should not start immediately, or there should be a way to stop it. Everytime you navigate back to the main page the video/audio starts * When you go to the "Future" tab, the site thinks you're on the "Guestbook" tab and you can't get to the Guestbook. * Using Flash, when not necessary is a waste. IMHO * There's no link from the HP home page directly to this page. Other than that, nice site. Ken Using Managing VMS almost 28 years (started in February, 1980. V2.0) and counting. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2007 15:38:46 +0200 From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: <47209c66$1@merkur.rz.uni-konstanz.de> In article <1193307403.906042.299730@o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, IanMiller writes: >Visit >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/30th/index.html >and see Mark Hurd talk about VMS!!! > >Post your own message at http://h71000.www7.hp.com/fb_30years.html > > Here's my contrib: Do you remember that you want a VAX and VMS to run scientific programs? The compilers still have the highest quality and the capabilities of the debugger are great. I'm running HPC applications on my OpenVMS systems: Gaussian03 and Gamess (More will follow.). Both generated from the actual code. I've found some bugs in the code that is not been recognized under other platforms. Script started on Do 25 Okt 2007 13:24:14 CEST [root@vg3 checktst]# ./checktst Please type the full directory containing exam??.log [.]: /home/gamess/gamess/test_vms Checking the results of your sample GAMESS calculations, the output files (exam??.log) will be taken from /home/gamess/gamess/test_vms All jobs terminated normally, now checking detailed numerical results exam01: Eerr=0,0e+00 Gerr=0,0e+00. Passed. [snip] .... exam42: Eerr=0,0e+00 Gerr=0,0e+00. Passed. All 42 test results are correct! [root@vg3 checktst]# Script done on Do 25 Okt 2007 13:24:39 CEST Eberhard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:50:05 -0400 From: "Syltrem" Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: <13i17oeeapnhj54@corp.supernews.com> > > In article <1193307403.906042.299730@o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > IanMiller writes: >>Visit >>http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/30th/index.html >>and see Mark Hurd talk about VMS!!! >> Clicking on View Complete Guestbook gives: Page Not Found The requested document "http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/30th/guestbook.html" was not found on this server. And where do we see Mark Hurd ? Syltrem ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2007 13:52:37 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: <5obld5Flo2gfU1@mid.individual.net> In article <13i17oeeapnhj54@corp.supernews.com>, "Syltrem" writes: >> >> In article <1193307403.906042.299730@o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, >> IanMiller writes: >>>Visit >>>http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/30th/index.html >>>and see Mark Hurd talk about VMS!!! >>> > > Clicking on View Complete Guestbook gives: > > Page Not Found > > > The requested document > "http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/30th/guestbook.html" was not found on > this server. > > > > And where do we see Mark Hurd ? It's thursday, wouldn't that be the golf course? bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:56:39 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: Syltrem wrote: > And where do we see Mark Hurd ? I'm not sure who "we" are but *I* see (and hear him) under the "Introduction" tab... Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:09:43 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: <7497d$4720a3ab$cef8887a$20781@TEKSAVVY.COM> Ken Robinson wrote: > * Using Flash, when not necessary is a waste. IMHO HP is a wintel company and they cater to wintel customers. They don't even realise that many of their VMS customers would actually try to access that page from a VMS workstation. Remember that within HP, VMS is just a legacy server OS and nobody is expected to be using VMS on a workstation. > * There's no link from the HP home page directly to this page. What did you expect ? Ann Livermore made it very clear this summer (in a Computerworld interview) that Scott Stallard's original statements of May 7th 2002 were not a mistake and that they really did represent official HP policy since she pretty much re-iterated them 5 years later. Since they are not interested in attracting new customers to VMS, there is no need to steer eyeballs from the main HP web site to the VMS site. You can't fault the VMS supporters within HP. They have been limited to a pretty small sand box and not allowed to play outside of it. But at one point, one must start to question whether it is worth prolonging VMS's life when you know the owner has no interest in its growth/success and just wants to migrate customers to other HP platforms. Every year that VMS goes on with limited development resources, it will start to lag other OS more and more and more. And eventually, due to lack of modernised email software, it may even be unable to participate in the internet because it will lack modern features require to bypass spam filters. Every year that VMS lags in development, it will just emphasise the decline of VMS from its heydays as a market and technology leader to its current status as a forgotten legacy OS. Stallard/Livermore's message also made it clear that since they are interested in moving VMS customers to other HP products, they aren't about to sell VMS to someone willing to leverage the full potential of this great OS. When Compaq bought Digital, Pfeiffer gave us great hopes. Pfeiffer was ousted and replaced by some incompetant twit who ended up screwing us royally. HP has confirmed over the span of the 5 years they have owned VMS that they have no interest in changing the course set by Palmer and followed by Curly. Hurd had a chance to make "under new management" significant changes for VMS, but he instead chose to allow Livermore to tell Computerworld what Stallard had told us 5 years earlier. When Titanic was sinking, they had musicians playing till the very end to continue the appearance of a functioning luxury ship, but at one point, the music stopped, the ship broke apart and sank very fast. HP doesn't care about all the people who have bet their careers on VMS and whose skills are now worthless and unmarketable, we're going down with the ship and it won't affect any of their real customers on Wintel and HP-UX. HP will give us a bit of music to appease us, and keep telling us that the ship is unsinkable and to not worry about the rising water. At one point, HP will make an announcement that the ship cannot be recovered and will sink momentarily. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:31:03 -0400 From: "Syltrem" Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: <13i1a58g2puui17@corp.supernews.com> > > HP doesn't care about all the people who have bet their careers on VMS and > whose skills are now worthless and unmarketable, we're going down with the > ship and it won't affect any of their real customers on Wintel and HP-UX. > HP will give us a bit of music to appease us, and keep telling us that the > ship is unsinkable and to not worry about the rising water. At one point, > HP will make an announcement that the ship cannot be recovered and will > sink momentarily. I won't be able to attend the webcast tomorrow. Can someone ask Martin Fink (at the webcast) why there's not a link on the www.hp.com page to that 30 years celebration ? That's not expensive to do at all, and would add some visibility. After all, HP is celebrating, or is it not.? Please do not answer ! Let Mr. Fink do. Thanks Syltrem ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:38:27 +0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Uusim=E4ki?= Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: <4720a9c4$0$3528$9b536df3@news.fv.fi> JF Mezei wrote: > Ken Robinson wrote: >> * Using Flash, when not necessary is a waste. IMHO > > HP is a wintel company and they cater to wintel customers. They don't > even realise that many of their VMS customers would actually try to > access that page from a VMS workstation. Remember that within HP, VMS is > just a legacy server OS and nobody is expected to be using VMS on a > workstation. > > >> * There's no link from the HP home page directly to this page. > > What did you expect ? Ann Livermore made it very clear this summer (in a > Computerworld interview) that Scott Stallard's original statements of > May 7th 2002 were not a mistake and that they really did represent > official HP policy since she pretty much re-iterated them 5 years later. > > Since they are not interested in attracting new customers to VMS, there > is no need to steer eyeballs from the main HP web site to the VMS site. > > You can't fault the VMS supporters within HP. They have been limited to > a pretty small sand box and not allowed to play outside of it. But at > one point, one must start to question whether it is worth prolonging > VMS's life when you know the owner has no interest in its growth/success > and just wants to migrate customers to other HP platforms. > > Every year that VMS goes on with limited development resources, it will > start to lag other OS more and more and more. And eventually, due to > lack of modernised email software, it may even be unable to participate > in the internet because it will lack modern features require to bypass > spam filters. > > Every year that VMS lags in development, it will just emphasise the > decline of VMS from its heydays as a market and technology leader to its > current status as a forgotten legacy OS. > > Stallard/Livermore's message also made it clear that since they are > interested in moving VMS customers to other HP products, they aren't > about to sell VMS to someone willing to leverage the full potential of > this great OS. > > When Compaq bought Digital, Pfeiffer gave us great hopes. Pfeiffer was > ousted and replaced by some incompetant twit who ended up screwing us > royally. HP has confirmed over the span of the 5 years they have owned > VMS that they have no interest in changing the course set by Palmer and > followed by Curly. Hurd had a chance to make "under new management" > significant changes for VMS, but he instead chose to allow Livermore to > tell Computerworld what Stallard had told us 5 years earlier. > > When Titanic was sinking, they had musicians playing till the very end > to continue the appearance of a functioning luxury ship, but at one > point, the music stopped, the ship broke apart and sank very fast. > > HP doesn't care about all the people who have bet their careers on VMS > and whose skills are now worthless and unmarketable, we're going down > with the ship and it won't affect any of their real customers on Wintel > and HP-UX. HP will give us a bit of music to appease us, and keep > telling us that the ship is unsinkable and to not worry about the rising > water. At one point, HP will make an announcement that the ship cannot > be recovered and will sink momentarily. Very frankly put. Here we call people who bring up uneasy facts "disgust realists". :-) ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2007 16:18:42 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: <5obtv1Fm8sf6U1@mid.individual.net> In article <4720a9c4$0$3528$9b536df3@news.fv.fi>, Uusimäki writes: > JF Mezei wrote: >> Ken Robinson wrote: >>> * Using Flash, when not necessary is a waste. IMHO >> >> HP is a wintel company and they cater to wintel customers. They don't >> even realise that many of their VMS customers would actually try to >> access that page from a VMS workstation. Remember that within HP, VMS is >> just a legacy server OS and nobody is expected to be using VMS on a >> workstation. >> >> >>> * There's no link from the HP home page directly to this page. >> >> What did you expect ? Ann Livermore made it very clear this summer (in a >> Computerworld interview) that Scott Stallard's original statements of >> May 7th 2002 were not a mistake and that they really did represent >> official HP policy since she pretty much re-iterated them 5 years later. >> >> Since they are not interested in attracting new customers to VMS, there >> is no need to steer eyeballs from the main HP web site to the VMS site. >> >> You can't fault the VMS supporters within HP. They have been limited to >> a pretty small sand box and not allowed to play outside of it. But at >> one point, one must start to question whether it is worth prolonging >> VMS's life when you know the owner has no interest in its growth/success >> and just wants to migrate customers to other HP platforms. >> >> Every year that VMS goes on with limited development resources, it will >> start to lag other OS more and more and more. And eventually, due to >> lack of modernised email software, it may even be unable to participate >> in the internet because it will lack modern features require to bypass >> spam filters. >> >> Every year that VMS lags in development, it will just emphasise the >> decline of VMS from its heydays as a market and technology leader to its >> current status as a forgotten legacy OS. >> >> Stallard/Livermore's message also made it clear that since they are >> interested in moving VMS customers to other HP products, they aren't >> about to sell VMS to someone willing to leverage the full potential of >> this great OS. >> >> When Compaq bought Digital, Pfeiffer gave us great hopes. Pfeiffer was >> ousted and replaced by some incompetant twit who ended up screwing us >> royally. HP has confirmed over the span of the 5 years they have owned >> VMS that they have no interest in changing the course set by Palmer and >> followed by Curly. Hurd had a chance to make "under new management" >> significant changes for VMS, but he instead chose to allow Livermore to >> tell Computerworld what Stallard had told us 5 years earlier. >> >> When Titanic was sinking, they had musicians playing till the very end >> to continue the appearance of a functioning luxury ship, but at one >> point, the music stopped, the ship broke apart and sank very fast. >> >> HP doesn't care about all the people who have bet their careers on VMS >> and whose skills are now worthless and unmarketable, we're going down >> with the ship and it won't affect any of their real customers on Wintel >> and HP-UX. HP will give us a bit of music to appease us, and keep >> telling us that the ship is unsinkable and to not worry about the rising >> water. At one point, HP will make an announcement that the ship cannot >> be recovered and will sink momentarily. > > Very frankly put. Here we call people who bring up uneasy facts "disgust > realists". :-) In this newsgroup they usually just shoot the messenger and continue along the same old path happily sprinkling rosebuds all around. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:45:39 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: In article <13i1a58g2puui17@corp.supernews.com>, "Syltrem" wrote: > I won't be able to attend the webcast tomorrow. > > Can someone ask Martin Fink (at the webcast) why there's not a link on the > www.hp.com page to that 30 years celebration ? > That's not expensive to do at all, and would add some visibility. > After all, HP is celebrating, or is it not.? > > Please do not answer ! Let Mr. Fink do. I _would_ make the time to attend the webcast, but the silly buggers told me this in an email: --- start quote --- First Time Participant Registration Instructions: 1. Go to http://www.regontap.com/encompass/index.html ... 6. Please note the RegonTap registration website will NOT work with Mac or Linux machines. Gerhard Wedenig Chairman HP-Interex EMEA E-Mail: hp-interex-communications@associationhq.com --- end quote --- It's fucking disgusting. -- Paul Sture Sue's OpenVMS bookmarks: http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~sture/ovms-bookmarks.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:58:36 GMT From: Rob Brown Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Oct 2007, P. Sture wrote: > 6. Please note the RegonTap registration website will NOT work with > Mac or Linux machines. I note that VMS is not on the list of machines it will not work on. -- Rob Brown b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m G. Michaels Consulting Ltd. (780)438-9343 (voice) Edmonton (780)437-3367 (FAX) http://gmcl.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:54:33 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: In article <13i17oeeapnhj54@corp.supernews.com>, "Syltrem" wrote: > > > > In article <1193307403.906042.299730@o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > IanMiller writes: > >>Visit > >>http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/30th/index.html > >>and see Mark Hurd talk about VMS!!! > >> > > Clicking on View Complete Guestbook gives: > > Page Not Found > > > The requested document > "http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/30th/guestbook.html" was not found on > this server. > The guestbook was definitely there earlier. I reckon that someone posted something unpleasant so they simply deleted the file. Oh thanks a bunch to whoever did that; it means I'm not going to point a load of folks there. -- Paul Sture Sue's OpenVMS bookmarks: http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~sture/ovms-bookmarks.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:09:35 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: In article , Rob Brown wrote: > On Thu, 25 Oct 2007, P. Sture wrote: > > > 6. Please note the RegonTap registration website will NOT work with > > Mac or Linux machines. > > I note that VMS is not on the list of machines it will not work on. LOL! You just cheered me up there :-) -- Paul Sture Sue's OpenVMS bookmarks: http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~sture/ovms-bookmarks.html ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2007 17:25:11 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: <5oc1rnFkl53uU1@mid.individual.net> In article , Rob Brown writes: > On Thu, 25 Oct 2007, P. Sture wrote: > >> 6. Please note the RegonTap registration website will NOT work with >> Mac or Linux machines. > > I note that VMS is not on the list of machines it will not work on. Are you taking bets? Guess which side I would bet on? bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:53:46 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: MAC OS-X or Linux ? Message-ID: <_A_Ti.3661$xV3.789@newsfe12.lga> In article , Ron Johnson writes: {...snip...} >I've used desktop Linux for many years, and occasionally used OSX. > >My experience is that configuring wifi on OSX is a breeze, but that >the GUI aggravates me. All those little icons popping up as you >roll the mouse pointer over them really aggravates *me*. That is a configurable option! System Preferences -> Dock Click off Magnification option. Strangely, when at a Stables recently, a clerk was demonstrating a Vista infected laptop to a customer. I saw a very similar feature when mousing over icons. Hmm... >One of the things that I *REALLY LIKE* about Linux (specifically >Debian) is that I can do most everything from a terminal window. >Use the GUI when it gives better functionality, use a "DECterm" >everywhere else. > >I'm sure that there are GUI tools for most of what I do at the CLI, >but I *like* the CLI. I get the impression, though, that most >management tasks in OSX *must* be performed via the GUI. Not true at all. >> Thing is that OS-X may still be seen as underdog in the server market, >> but what Apple has planned for it and the resources assigned to it gives >> me hope that perhaps it may become a much more popular platform. > >Who in their right mind needs or wants a server with a GUI on it??? PeeCee Weendoze users! This annoys the hell out of me. I need to access a Weendoze server. I do so using VNC but, joy of joys, the VNC server on it dies periodically. The only way to access it again is to power-cycle it and *hope* that VNC starts. The machine can be power-cycled remotely via SNMP to an APC Switched Rack PDU that the PeeCee is plugged into. I am sure that yanking the power from the unit isn't the best way to reboot it but it's the only way once remote access is lost. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:41:24 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: MAC OS-X or Linux ? Message-ID: On 10/25/07 05:53, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article , Ron Johnson writes: > {...snip...} >> I've used desktop Linux for many years, and occasionally used OSX. >> >> My experience is that configuring wifi on OSX is a breeze, but that >> the GUI aggravates me. All those little icons popping up as you >> roll the mouse pointer over them really aggravates *me*. > > That is a configurable option! System Preferences -> Dock > Click off Magnification option. > > Strangely, when at a Stables recently, a clerk was demonstrating a Vista > infected laptop to a customer. I saw a very similar feature when mousing > over icons. Hmm... GNOME also has it with the Compiz window manager. I get the impression, though, that only boys and college-types use it. But maybe I'm just crotchety. >> One of the things that I *REALLY LIKE* about Linux (specifically >> Debian) is that I can do most everything from a terminal window. >> Use the GUI when it gives better functionality, use a "DECterm" >> everywhere else. >> >> I'm sure that there are GUI tools for most of what I do at the CLI, >> but I *like* the CLI. I get the impression, though, that most >> management tasks in OSX *must* be performed via the GUI. > > Not true at all. Really? You can configure wifi from an xterm? >>> Thing is that OS-X may still be seen as underdog in the server market, >>> but what Apple has planned for it and the resources assigned to it gives >>> me hope that perhaps it may become a much more popular platform. >> >> Who in their right mind needs or wants a server with a GUI on it??? > > PeeCee Weendoze users! This annoys the hell out of me. I need to access > a Weendoze server. I do so using VNC but, joy of joys, the VNC server on > it dies periodically. The only way to access it again is to power-cycle And OSX users. Unless you've figured out a way to disable the GUI. > it and *hope* that VNC starts. The machine can be power-cycled remotely > via SNMP to an APC Switched Rack PDU that the PeeCee is plugged into. I > am sure that yanking the power from the unit isn't the best way to reboot > it but it's the only way once remote access is lost. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:58:10 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: MAC OS-X or Linux ? Message-ID: In article , Ron Johnson writes: > > >On 10/25/07 05:53, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> In article , Ron Johnson writes: >> {...snip...} >>> I've used desktop Linux for many years, and occasionally used OSX. >>> >>> My experience is that configuring wifi on OSX is a breeze, but that >>> the GUI aggravates me. All those little icons popping up as you >>> roll the mouse pointer over them really aggravates *me*. >> >> That is a configurable option! System Preferences -> Dock >> Click off Magnification option. >> >> Strangely, when at a Stables recently, a clerk was demonstrating a Vista >> infected laptop to a customer. I saw a very similar feature when mousing >> over icons. Hmm... > >GNOME also has it with the Compiz window manager. I get the >impression, though, that only boys and college-types use it. > >But maybe I'm just crotchety. I believe it is part of the bigger Universal Access features. The Mac and OS X are big amongst the blind/nearly-blind and those with other handicaps. Having the application ICON grow in size makes it easier for people with a vision problem to better see. >>> One of the things that I *REALLY LIKE* about Linux (specifically >>> Debian) is that I can do most everything from a terminal window. >>> Use the GUI when it gives better functionality, use a "DECterm" >>> everywhere else. >>> >>> I'm sure that there are GUI tools for most of what I do at the CLI, >>> but I *like* the CLI. I get the impression, though, that most >>> management tasks in OSX *must* be performed via the GUI. >> >> Not true at all. > >Really? You can configure wifi from an xterm? Of course. The GUI is certainly easier but nearly everything you can do from the OS X GUI has a cli counterpart. In this case, the command line command is airport. It's in a special Apple directory but it does exist. Easiest way to access it is to link to the long path for the airport cli app using (Long directory on separate line. Type on one line with a space between each line entry.): % sudo ln -s /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Apple80211.framework/Versions/Current/Resources/airport /usr/sbin/airport Password: ****** % airport -h airport AirPort v.429.6 (429.6.0) Supported arguments: -a --autojoin Join first available trusted network from list -p --applyprefs Apply settings as currently configured via System Preferences -u --updateprefs Examine network preferences and repair if necessary -z --disassociate Disassociate from any network -i --ibss= Create IBSS -f --file= use as airport preference file instead of /Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/com.apple.airport.preferences.plist -m --mac= use instead of current AirPort MAC Address -x --xml Print info as XML -h --help Show this help -o --oldencrypt= Encrypt string with Panther-style encryption -s --scan= Perform a wireless broadcast scan will perform a directed scan if the optional is provided -r --repeats= Repeat the command the specified number of times -A --associate= Associate to network will prompt for network name if arg is not specified and if necessary, for a password if the network is using WEP or WPA and the --password argument is not used -I --getinfo Print current wireless status, e.g. signal info, BSSID, port type etc. -P --psk= Create PSK from specified pass phrase and SSID -S --showstack Print the current list of known networks --bssid= Specify BSSID to associate with --channel= Set arbitrary channel on the card --password= Specify a WEP key or WPA password when associating to a network --property= Set a property in the driver's IORegistry --ssid= Specify SSID when creating a PSK, or associating to a network % airport -I commQuality: 69 rawQuality: 49 avgSignalLevel: -50 avgNoiseLevel: -93 linkStatus: ESS portType: Client lastTxRate: 54 maxRate: 54 lastAssocStatus: 1 BSSID: xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx SSID: Throat-Warbler Mangrove Security: cipher: WEP 40 >>>> Thing is that OS-X may still be seen as underdog in the server market, >>>> but what Apple has planned for it and the resources assigned to it gives >>>> me hope that perhaps it may become a much more popular platform. >>> >>> Who in their right mind needs or wants a server with a GUI on it??? >> >> PeeCee Weendoze users! This annoys the hell out of me. I need to access >> a Weendoze server. I do so using VNC but, joy of joys, the VNC server on >> it dies periodically. The only way to access it again is to power-cycle > >And OSX users. Unless you've figured out a way to disable the GUI. I don't have to disable the GUI to access OS X. How do you think I was able to get all of the above? ssh into the OS X box and cut and paste. C'mon. It's unix. FWIW, I *could* start the box up without a GUI. There are key sequences which will start the box in different modes too: single-user, console-log- ging, and target disk mode (very useful for backing up laptop drives!). -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:41:37 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: MAC OS-X or Linux ? Message-ID: <1acdd$4720ab25$cef8887a$15776@TEKSAVVY.COM> Ron Johnson wrote: > And OSX users. Unless you've figured out a way to disable the GUI. While I still haven't found a way to telnet into the mac, I can ssh into it and issue plenty of unix commands. And I can run X applications on the mac that display on an x terminal. (But the native mac applications don't do that). A lot of people may be bitching about a GUI, but I have just spent long dark hours trying to get NFS to work with VMS. And I have found that the mac has a nice GUI LOG File viewer/manager. There is a list of various system log files on the left, you select one, and you see its contents. And the log file management appears to be really neat since it automatically .gz compresses older version of log files, to save disk space, but the log file viewer automatically decompresses it. And there isn't a 32768 version limit on the mac. This is way ahead of what VMS has to offer in terms of log file management. (ALL-IN-1 had something similar BTW, but of course, ALL-IN1 was abandonned on the wayside just to please Bill Gates.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:41:25 -0700 From: tkien Subject: new proxy sites Message-ID: <1193305285.146130.207670@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com> Hello, Check these sites: http://proxy-browsing.com/ http://www.w3surfer.com/ They are web based proxy site, fast and secure too. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:32:23 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Planning proper NFS exports Message-ID: Ok, say I have USRDIR:[jbond] (USRDIR = $11$dqb0:[users.] ) DEV:[000000] (belonging to user jbond) APPL_ALPHA:[000000] (jbond has read access to it) Normally, from within VMS, one would access those directories with the rooted logical names and be independant of where those actually reside. Is there a way to define the MAP and ADD EXPORT to use the rooted logicals instead of having to hardcode everything and force the remote user to know where his home directory really is ($11$dqb0:[users.jbond]) instead of just telling him "USRDIR:[jbond]" ? Now, if you have a gazillion users, does this mean that you must build elaborate ADD EXPORT database to map each user's home directory and provide the proxy to grant access to it ? (with all the management headaches that come with all the changes that would happen to users (leaving, new ones etc). ? If I map the disk and export the whole disk, will users be able to map to any subdirectory that belongs to them without generating a gazillion security alarms as it traverses from the root down to their selected directory ? eg: export of "/disk2" and users trying to mount "/disk2/users/jbond/recipes/martini" While I was trying to get NFS to work, I had created a proxy with the SYSTEM account, and it resulted in NFS changing protection of various directory files, including 000000.DIR;1 So Understandably, I am weary of just allowing a map to the whole disk. Any suggestions on how to build/manage the MAP PROXY and EXPORT databases for NFS ? ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2007 12:11:21 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Planning proper NFS exports Message-ID: In article , JF Mezei writes: > > Normally, from within VMS, one would access those directories with the > rooted logical names and be independant of where those actually reside. > > Is there a way to define the MAP and ADD EXPORT to use the rooted > logicals instead of having to hardcode everything and force the remote > user to know where his home directory really is ($11$dqb0:[users.jbond]) > instead of just telling him "USRDIR:[jbond]" ? > I never had to show device names to the end user when I was using NFS with VMS, but then I also controlled the mount point naming on both ends and I never used a rooted logical off the system disk since the only folks storing data on the non-system disks were the owners of the computer. This was on an early version of UCX. I've seen user disks with rooted logical names for user directories too many times compared to their usefullness. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:01:02 -0700 From: mail@sanface.com Subject: PLUG: txt2pdf 9.5 Message-ID: <1193317262.570891.169300@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com> We would like to announce txt2pdf 9.5 version. http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.html txt2pdf is shareware; it is a very flexible and powerful Perl5 script that converts text files to PDF format files, so you can use it in every operating systems supported by Perl5, including OpenVMS. 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Previously, I was only able to have an export path containing only the disk name eg: "/disk2" The trick was (I think): TCPIP> ADD EXPORT "/disk2/users/racoon"/host=BRAKES/options=TYPELESS The "TYPELESS" is really TYPELESS-DIRECTORY or TYPELESS_DIRECTORY (depending on where you look in HELP, but TCPIP seems to only accept TYPELESS as option :-) and seems to be required for ODS5 disks. I started to get somewhere when I realised that adding ".dir" to paths made a difference. Also, while I have not yet proven this to make a big difference, changing the parameters in the config file seems to have made a difference: [SYS0.TCPIP$ETC]SYSCONFIGTAB.DAT udp_threads=32 (instead of 8) ovms_xqp_plus_enabled=0x00000003 (instead of 0) Not sure which of the two made the biggest difference (I have a single NFS client). HOWEVER: The conversion of text files doesn't seem to be totally seamless. For instance, a C file in variable length format on VMS, when edited by the XCODE application on the MAC will properly read the first 8 blocks and properly separate the lines without any superflous characters, but somewhere in the middle of the 9th block, it ceases to convert the stuff and the data is fed to the mac as raw data with the 2 binary bytes between each line sent raw to the mac. DATA_CONVERSION is documented to be the default. Interestingly, some files seem to read properly in text mode to the end, but those generally have "junk" characters (probably nulls) on the last line (probably the fill to the end of block). Interestingly, in some type of accesses, (such as a finder window), the directory names are fine. But in a file selection dialogue, I would see a directory "CHOCOLATE" followed by a directory "CHOCOLATE.DIR" and both seem to work to access the files in the chocolate subdirectory. UPDATE: I saw the ".DIR" entries disapear from the file selection dialogue, and the next time I tried to nagivate in a directory, the subdirectories were not listed twice in the file selection dialogue. Since VMS is owned by a wintel slave, I certaintly don't expect then to make this work reliably on a MAC. Perhaps I can make this work reliably by continued tweaking, perhaps not. Accessing binary files seems to work fine. Pretty neat to be able to use photoshop to edit image files residing in a VMS directory. And the MAC thinks .COM is a unix executable file ! Perhaps someone in VMS engineering should secretely call Apple (it is probably illegal for HP employees to talk to a non-wintel vendor) and suggest they call .COM "VMS command procedure" instead of Unix executable file ! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 05:35:58 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Some success with VMS-NFS serving OS-X Message-ID: Please disregard the previous message. I tried to rename the mount point to something more representative and ever since that, I have not been about to get it to work again. Back to square 1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:05:35 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Some success with VMS-NFS serving OS-X Message-ID: I think I have been able use VMS as an NFS client to mount a directory structre on the MAC: TCPIP> mount dnfs1:/host=brakes/path="/Users/JFMEZEI"/gid=0/uid=0/struc=5/force %TCPIP$DNFSMOUNT-S-MOUNTED, /Users/JFMEZEI mounted on _DNFS1:[000000] > $ show dev dnfs1:/full > > Disk DNFS1: (CHAIN), device type Foreign disk type 7, is online, mounted, file- > oriented device, shareable, accessed via DFS or NFS, mount operation in > progress. > > Error count 0 Operations completed 50 > Owner process "" Owner UIC [SYSTEM] > Owner process ID 00000000 Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:RWPL,W:RWPL > Reference count 1 Default buffer size 512 > Total blocks 116505000 Sectors per track 0 > Total cylinders 0 Tracks per cylinder 0 > Allocation class 11 > > Volume label "BRAKE$/Users" Relative volume number 0 > Cluster size 16 Transaction count 1 > Free blocks unknown Maximum files allowed 1000000 > Extend quantity 16 Mount count 1 > Mount status System ACP process name "DNFS1ACP" > > Volume Status: ODS-2, caching is disabled. > $ dir > > Directory DNFS1:[000000] > > $5N$T$RASH.DIR;1 $5NSSH.DIR;1 $D$ESKTOP.DIR;1 > $D$IGITAL_$DEC$LASER_5100_V2013.PPD;1 $D$OCUMENTS.DIR;1 $DMA0.DIR;1 > $DMA1.DIR;1 $L$IBRARY.DIR;1 $M$OVIES.DIR;1 $M$USIC.DIR;1 > $N$ETWORK$7A$T$RASH$7A$F$OLDER.DIR;1 $P$ICTURES.DIR;1 $P$UBLIC.DIR;1 > $R$AILROAD$7A$T$YCOON$7A$II$7AD$EMO.DIR;1 $VMS$7A$DOCS.DIR;1 > .$CFU$SER$T$EXT$E$NCODING;1 .$DS_S$TORE;1 .$X$AUTHORITY;1 > .BASH_HISTORY;1 .FONTS$5NCACHE-1;1 .LPOPTIONS;1 .VIMINFO;1 > ALPHA_ARTWORK010.ZIP;1 FELIX.DIR;1 VARIOUS.DIR;1 > > Total of 25 files. -------------------------------------- Question: is it normal that even though I specified /STRUCTURE=5 in the mount command that the SHOW DEVICE shows ODS-2 ? And more importantly, is it normal that the filenames are interspersed with $ signs ? I can navigate down to the subdirectories, and VMS adds the .DIR to the directory names to make it look like a VMS directory. Interestingly, I can seem to do a DIR, but I cannot type files. (protection violation). But I guess this is something I can worry about later. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2007 12:07:41 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Some success with VMS-NFS serving OS-X Message-ID: In article , JF Mezei writes: > > Question: is it normal that even though I specified /STRUCTURE=5 in the > mount command that the SHOW DEVICE shows ODS-2 ? Does your NFS client actually support ODS-5? Some don't. > > And more importantly, is it normal that the filenames are interspersed > with $ signs ? I can navigate down to the subdirectories, and VMS adds > the .DIR to the directory names to make it look like a VMS directory. $ are used by some NFS and FTP clients and servers as escape characters to handle non-ODS-2 file names. They may be used to handle non-ODS-5 file names, too (there are a few). ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2007 09:46:05 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: SUBMIT command Message-ID: In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > In article <7a60d$471f8707$cef8887a$31797@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: >> >> Well, there you go. One HUGE reason why the roughly 1/3 of the installed >> base is still on VAX and why Alpha failed and why that IA64 contraption >> will fail too: LACK OF SUPPORT FOR PUNCHED CARDS ! >> >> :-) > > > Oh, come now, VAX succeeded without support for paper tape, didn't > it? 8-) Plug in an ASR-33 to a DZ-11 and you got a blazingly fast 10 cps paper tape reader/paper tape punch. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:12:02 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: SUBMIT command Message-ID: <6n2Ui.12211$ZA.7976@newsb.telia.net> briggs@encompasserve.org wrote: > Plug in an ASR-33 to a DZ-11 and you got a blazingly > fast 10 cps paper tape reader/paper tape punch. There wasn't any need for any specific support for a tape punch/read, was it. Just hook it up to any serial port. I think we had this one running once : http://www.science.uva.nl/museum/facit4070.html 75 cps. Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2007 11:58:01 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: SUBMIT command Message-ID: In article , briggs@encompasserve.org writes: > > Plug in an ASR-33 to a DZ-11 and you got a blazingly fast 10 cps paper > tape reader/paper tape punch. Yeah, I was thinking about the fan-fold on our PDP-11 console and forgot about serial terminals with built-in roll paper tape support. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:12:07 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: SUBMIT command Message-ID: In article , briggs@encompasserve.org wrote: > In article , > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > > In article <7a60d$471f8707$cef8887a$31797@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei > > writes: > >> > >> Well, there you go. One HUGE reason why the roughly 1/3 of the installed > >> base is still on VAX and why Alpha failed and why that IA64 contraption > >> will fail too: LACK OF SUPPORT FOR PUNCHED CARDS ! > >> > >> :-) > > > > > > Oh, come now, VAX succeeded without support for paper tape, didn't > > it? 8-) > > Plug in an ASR-33 to a DZ-11 and you got a blazingly fast 10 cps paper > tape reader/paper tape punch. Please remind me. I know that card readers could do better than that, but could a TU58? (specially using boot tapes where the files weren't in optimal order) ;-) -- Paul Sture Sue's OpenVMS bookmarks: http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~sture/ovms-bookmarks.html ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2007 12:00:23 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: unix "batch processing" Message-ID: In article , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= writes: > BAT using the /USER switch, maybe ? > > http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?BAT Nope, I rolled my own, probably in Fortran, and it only supported one command (so I could know what all the relavent logicals and DCL symbols were without using unsupported APIs to pick up all the logicals and DCL symbols). ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.584 ************************