INFO-VAX Thu, 11 Oct 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 555 Contents: Computer Security Information Re: DFU on the freeware disks SAN switches going cheap Re: TCPIP SMTP receiver issues (SYSTEM-F-NOLINKS) Re: TCPIP SMTP receiver issues (SYSTEM-F-NOLINKS) Re: the real truth about global warming! Re: the real truth about global warming! Re: the real truth about global warming! Re: the real truth about global warming! Re: the real truth about global warming! Re: the real truth about global warming! Re: the real truth about global warming! Re: the real truth about global warming! Re: the real truth about global warming! Re: the real truth about global warming! Re: UNIX equivalent of VMS group logicals? Re: We'll always have Munich (was: Re: European OpenVMS Technical Update Days) Re: We'll always have Munich (was: Re: European OpenVMS Technical Update Days) Re: We'll always have Munich (was: Re: European OpenVMS Technical Update Days) Re: We'll always have Munich (was: Re: European OpenVMS Technical Update Days) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:39:38 -0700 From: admiz.kumar.com.use@gmail.com Subject: Computer Security Information Message-ID: <1192063178.600272.156240@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> I Want To Share Computer Security Information To All Internet Netter: 1. Firewalls Torn Apart 2. Guide To Social Engineering 3. Social Engineering And Email Account Cracking 4. Network Firewall Security 5. Hijacking Hotmail Accounts For Newbies 6. Various Ways To Hack Or Over Ride Foolproof 7. Configuring ZoneAlarm Securely 8. IP Masquerading Tutorial 9. Interesting Things You Didnt Know About Your Computers Hardware 10. 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Exploiting Design Flaws In The Win32 API For Privilege Escalation 43. Wireless LAN Technologies and Windows XP 44. Understanding NetBIOS 45. The Complete Guide To Computers 46. Things You Need 47. How To Clear The Past Mapped Network Drives List 48. You Got This File From 49. Msn Tutorial Ugw Securtiy Information Base 50. The Basics Of Cryptography 51. PGP Encryption For Beginners Learn How PGP Works 52. Cryptography FAQ 53. Cryptography Split Wide Open 54. W2K File System 55. A More Indepth Article About The Basics To Encryption 56. Protecting Your Scripts 57. Breaking Script Encoder 58. Windows 2000 Encrypting File System And Disk Wipe Software Vulnerability 59. Buffer Overflow Basics 60. Deadly Dos Attack 61. MS Office XP The More Money I Give To Microsoft The More Vulnerable My Windows Computers Are 62. Dos Attacks Explained 63. Introduction To Denial Of Service 64. Miscellaneous Groups Publications 65. Documents About General Hardening 66. Documents About Unix Hardening 67. 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Getting Passwords Of Nicks In mIRC 91. IRC Spoofing 92. The IRC Warfare Tutorial Written 93. IRC Trading Security 94. Getting Passwords Of Nicks In mIRC 95. IRC Basic Commands 96. Never Be Banned In IRC 97. IRC FAQ Undergroundworld de vu the Secure-Net Search Lab 98. A Better Way To Get Hotmail Passwords - A Little Helpful Program With A Short Tutorial 99. Newbie Keyloggers Toturial - How To Disable The Keyloggers 100. Tutorial To Make Your Folder (Any ) Secure And Inaccessible By Others Without Using Any Program 101. A Trick To Get Access To Control Panel As A Restricted Network User On Windows XP And 2000 102. Removing The Folder Having ASCII Character From The Drive 103. Getting Rid Of The Urls You Visited In The Url Bar Of IE 104. Exploring Windows 105. Create Your Own Logon Message 106. MSN Mesenger Tip 107. Writing MBR When Norton Antivirus2002 Has Auto-Protection Enable 108. Trick on CNN.COM or tricking minds via cnn.com 109. Access The Blocked Folder In WinNt 110. Various Methods Of Hacking Hotmail 111. Writing Bootable CD's With Nero 112. How To Protect A Folder From Access From Anyone, Even Your Administrator 113. How To Change Product Key In XP With No Re-Install 114. No More Popups 115. Tips And Tricks On Burning 116. The Elite Symbols 117. Windows Xp Product Key Modifier 118. Hacking Hotmail 119. Kazaa As A Annonymous Emailer 120. Cracking Unix Password Files For Beginners 121. Exploiting Cisco Systems 122. Cracking Unix Password Files For Beginners 123. Poor Security On Default Windows 2000 Server Installation Could Lead To Unauthorized Database Access 124. Remote Control Of IIS Windows 125. How To Become A Hacker --- Thank You --- Source: http://www.security.fx-vista.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:29:12 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: DFU on the freeware disks Message-ID: <630b4$470d19fb$cef8887a$3838@TEKSAVVY.COM> Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: > If there is a justifying ROI, yes. > That it is "possible" isn't enough, of course... I do not know if the writer of DFU is employed by this week's owner of VMS or not, whether his decisions on what to do with DFU are influenced by VMS management or not. If this is truly freeware, then there would be no real return on investment other than goodwill and image of someone contributing to the VMS community. In that case, providing VAX updated provides more ROI than providing IA64 version since the VAX version will benefit more users. Consider DCPS. It seems to the "odd" product out there that is truly out to serve customers and still provide updates to VAX versions because it knows that people need it. Other products tend to fall under a policy that seems to be penalising old platforms in order to try to nudge people into buying those IA64 contraptions. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 16:47:57 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: SAN switches going cheap Message-ID: <13gqejvct2qcp29@news.supernews.com> We're having a clear out before we move to our new custom facilities. We have 8 x SAN switch 16 (EMC and DEC branded Brocade 2800) If anyone needs one we would need $300 to make it worth while processing the order If interested, email me at dturner-at-islandco-dot-com David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404 T: 877-6364332 x201 Intl: 001 912 447 6622 ------------------------------ Date: 10 Oct 2007 20:19:48 -0400 From: Rich Alderson Subject: Re: TCPIP SMTP receiver issues (SYSTEM-F-NOLINKS) Message-ID: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > In article , Rich Alderson > writes: >> That's in reference to VMS implementations of TCP/IP, right? > It's a pretty well broken protocol anyhow. Any network protocol > that allows outsideers to make a connection without some action > by the local admin to provide access credentials always will be. Um, you say broken, I say design feature? Security does not belong at that low a level. Or are you telling me that DECNET does things that way? -- Rich Alderson "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime." news@alderson.users.panix.com --Death, of the Endless ------------------------------ Date: 10 Oct 2007 22:14:09 -0500 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: TCPIP SMTP receiver issues (SYSTEM-F-NOLINKS) Message-ID: <$eDBd3RhL0uI@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , Rich Alderson writes: > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > >> In article , Rich Alderson >> writes: > >>> That's in reference to VMS implementations of TCP/IP, right? > >> It's a pretty well broken protocol anyhow. Any network protocol >> that allows outsideers to make a connection without some action >> by the local admin to provide access credentials always will be. > > Um, you say broken, I say design feature? Security does not belong at that low > a level. Or are you telling me that DECNET does things that way? Certainly DECnet does not allow an unprivileged user to accept unauthenticated connections. That is a security feature. The question of whether the designers realized the importance of that at the time can be argued, but certainly the designers of TCP/IP made a bad security decision. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Oct 2007 14:41:00 -0500 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: the real truth about global warming! Message-ID: In article <1192024704.537948.186430@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, ultradwc@gmail.com writes: > On Oct 10, 9:40 am, Kilgal...@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote: >> In article <1192022316.455768.317...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, ultra...@gmail.com writes: >> >http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/articledetail.asp?Article_ID=202 >> >> Please carry on such discussions in an _appropriate_ newsgroup. > > such as? > > a little variety is good for a news group! Going off-topic is _NOT_ good for a news group. The whole reason for having umpty-hundred newsgroups is so that individual READERS can choose the topics they want to read about. Just as I do not impose my other interests on readers of this newsgroup you should not either. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:25:34 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: the real truth about global warming! Message-ID: <1ac0f$470d3540$cef8887a$19979@TEKSAVVY.COM> Larry Kilgallen wrote: > Just as I do not impose my other interests on readers of this newsgroup > you should not either. It could be argued that your frequent mention of evil javasccript is not part of the comp.os.vms list of accepted topics. (even though I agree with you on this). And discussing Sue's use of strange British wintel keyboards at an airport would also not be a valid technical topic for this VMS newsgroup. (are keyboards in australia upside down in a ytrewq layout ? :-) One must tolerate a *reasonable* amount of socialising in the newsgroup since, it has now shrunk to a relatively small number of contributors who are getting to know each other. Some argue that the socialising is causing the reduced number of contributors, others say the socialising is the result of a reduced number of contributors due to reduced customer base. I think the later is the case. Heck, we know that one poster has socks that are older than Guy Peleg and even know what Mr Vaxman has in his underwear and that Mrs VAXman loves every inch of it :-) :-) ;-) More than we need to know about posters :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:22:22 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: the real truth about global warming! Message-ID: <470D428E.4090705@comcast.net> JF Mezei wrote: > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > >> Just as I do not impose my other interests on readers of this newsgroup >> you should not either. > > > > It could be argued that your frequent mention of evil javasccript is not > part of the comp.os.vms list of accepted topics. (even though I agree > with you on this). > > And discussing Sue's use of strange British wintel keyboards at an > airport would also not be a valid technical topic for this VMS > newsgroup. (are keyboards in australia upside down in a ytrewq layout ? :-) > > One must tolerate a *reasonable* amount of socialising in the newsgroup > since, it has now shrunk to a relatively small number of contributors > who are getting to know each other. Some argue that the socialising is > causing the reduced number of contributors, others say the socialising > is the result of a reduced number of contributors due to reduced > customer base. I think the later is the case. > > Heck, we know that one poster has socks that are older than Guy Peleg > and even know what Mr Vaxman has in his underwear and that Mrs VAXman > loves every inch of it :-) :-) ;-) More than we need to know about > posters :-) Remember when, a few months ago, an announcement was posted to most/all newsgroups concerning the shutdown of a newsgroup because the last on topic posts were two or three years old? We are headed in that general direction. Part of the problem is that most of us have been working with VMS for so long that we rarely need answers to technical questions. Others of us are no longer actively working with VMS, etc, etc. Many of the real wizards have died (Carl Lydick) or moved on to something else (Jerry Leichter??????) When I was still working I didn't have TIME to read this newsgroup; a hundred or more posts per day, mostly off topic. . . . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:39:01 -0000 From: ultradwc@gmail.com Subject: Re: the real truth about global warming! Message-ID: <1192059541.024344.292180@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> On Oct 10, 3:41 pm, Kilgal...@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote: > In article <1192024704.537948.186...@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, ultra...@gmail.com writes: > > On Oct 10, 9:40 am, Kilgal...@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote: > >> In article <1192022316.455768.317...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, ultra...@gmail.com writes: > >> >http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/articledetail.asp?Article_ID=202 > > >> Please carry on such discussions in an _appropriate_ newsgroup. > > > such as? > > > a little variety is good for a news group! > > Going off-topic is _NOT_ good for a news group. The whole reason > for having umpty-hundred newsgroups is so that individual READERS > can choose the topics they want to read about. > > Just as I do not impose my other interests on readers of this newsgroup > you should not either. how am I imposing my beliefs on you? You know you do not have to read the post or article ... or is someone standing over you with garden hose dripping water on you if you do not read my post or any post? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:40:57 -0000 From: ultradwc@gmail.com Subject: Re: the real truth about global warming! Message-ID: <1192059657.102676.79450@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> On Oct 10, 5:22 pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: > > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > > >> Just as I do not impose my other interests on readers of this newsgroup > >> you should not either. > > > It could be argued that your frequent mention of evil javasccript is not > > part of the comp.os.vms list of accepted topics. (even though I agree > > with you on this). > > > And discussing Sue's use of strange British wintel keyboards at an > > airport would also not be a valid technical topic for this VMS > > newsgroup. (are keyboards in australia upside down in a ytrewq layout ? :-) > > > One must tolerate a *reasonable* amount of socialising in the newsgroup > > since, it has now shrunk to a relatively small number of contributors > > who are getting to know each other. Some argue that the socialising is > > causing the reduced number of contributors, others say the socialising > > is the result of a reduced number of contributors due to reduced > > customer base. I think the later is the case. > > > Heck, we know that one poster has socks that are older than Guy Peleg > > and even know what Mr Vaxman has in his underwear and that Mrs VAXman > > loves every inch of it :-) :-) ;-) More than we need to know about > > posters :-) > > Remember when, a few months ago, an announcement was posted to most/all > newsgroups concerning the shutdown of a newsgroup because the last on > topic posts were two or three years old? We are headed in that general > direction. > > Part of the problem is that most of us have been working with VMS for so > long that we rarely need answers to technical questions. Others of us > are no longer actively working with VMS, etc, etc. Many of the real > wizards have died (Carl Lydick) or moved on to something else (Jerry > Leichter??????) > > When I was still working I didn't have TIME to read this newsgroup; a > hundred or more posts per day, mostly off topic. . . .- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - so that means having side dicussions about other topics will keep this forum from being turned off ... :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:48:53 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: the real truth about global warming! Message-ID: <07101018485336_202002A8@antinode.org> From: ultradwc@gmail.com > > Just as I do not impose my other interests on readers of this newsgroup > > you should not either. > > how am I imposing my beliefs on you? A better question might be, "How stupid _are_ you?". The phrase "other interests" is spelled differently from "beliefs" for a reason. > You know you do not have to read the post > or article ... or is someone standing over you > with garden hose dripping water on you if > you do not read my post or any post? Oh. Now I understand. Do unto others anything you want, because that's what you want. I suppose that someone who will believe almost anything can easily persuade himself that cluttering a VMS news group with extraneous, inappropriate, religious drivel is actually doing everyone a favor. Of course, people who continue these pointless arguments as if _that_ will help matters are not a whole lot less malignant. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:13:33 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: the real truth about global warming! Message-ID: <470D6AAD.A6062F6C@spam.comcast.net> ultradwc@gmail.com wrote: > > http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/articledetail.asp?Article_ID=202 Y'know, Bob, guys like the author of the article you cite discredit your intelligence. That article reads like its targetted to children and/or people unable to think for themselves (thought and reason are two of God's greatest gifts to humankind). That said, when I lookup references to people, places, etc. cite in such articles, I do learn a lot - chasing link after link on Wikipedia. Didn't want you to think it was a total waste of my time... -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:21:42 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: the real truth about global warming! Message-ID: <470D6C96.8020300@comcast.net> ultradwc@gmail.com wrote: > On Oct 10, 5:22 pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" > wrote: > >>JF Mezei wrote: >> >>>Larry Kilgallen wrote: >> >>>>Just as I do not impose my other interests on readers of this newsgroup >>>>you should not either. >>> >>>It could be argued that your frequent mention of evil javasccript is not >>>part of the comp.os.vms list of accepted topics. (even though I agree >>>with you on this). >> >>>And discussing Sue's use of strange British wintel keyboards at an >>>airport would also not be a valid technical topic for this VMS >>>newsgroup. (are keyboards in australia upside down in a ytrewq layout ? :-) >> >>>One must tolerate a *reasonable* amount of socialising in the newsgroup >>>since, it has now shrunk to a relatively small number of contributors >>>who are getting to know each other. Some argue that the socialising is >>>causing the reduced number of contributors, others say the socialising >>>is the result of a reduced number of contributors due to reduced >>>customer base. I think the later is the case. >> >>>Heck, we know that one poster has socks that are older than Guy Peleg >>>and even know what Mr Vaxman has in his underwear and that Mrs VAXman >>>loves every inch of it :-) :-) ;-) More than we need to know about >>>posters :-) >> >>Remember when, a few months ago, an announcement was posted to most/all >>newsgroups concerning the shutdown of a newsgroup because the last on >>topic posts were two or three years old? We are headed in that general >>direction. >> >>Part of the problem is that most of us have been working with VMS for so >>long that we rarely need answers to technical questions. Others of us >>are no longer actively working with VMS, etc, etc. Many of the real >>wizards have died (Carl Lydick) or moved on to something else (Jerry >>Leichter??????) >> >>When I was still working I didn't have TIME to read this newsgroup; a >>hundred or more posts per day, mostly off topic. . . .- Hide quoted text - >> >>- Show quoted text - > > > so that means having side dicussions about other topics > will keep this forum from being turned off ... :) > No, it means that when the powers that be realize that 99.44% of the traffic on c.o.v is off topic, they will shut the group down. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:07:05 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: the real truth about global warming! Message-ID: <1192072025.277732.132410@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Oct 10, 5:22 pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: > > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > > >> Just as I do not impose my other interests on readers of this newsgroup > >> you should not either. > > > It could be argued that your frequent mention of evil javasccript is not > > part of the comp.os.vms list of accepted topics. (even though I agree > > with you on this). > > > And discussing Sue's use of strange British wintel keyboards at an > > airport would also not be a valid technical topic for this VMS > > newsgroup. (are keyboards in australia upside down in a ytrewq layout ? :-) > > > One must tolerate a *reasonable* amount of socialising in the newsgroup > > since, it has now shrunk to a relatively small number of contributors > > who are getting to know each other. Some argue that the socialising is > > causing the reduced number of contributors, others say the socialising > > is the result of a reduced number of contributors due to reduced > > customer base. I think the later is the case. > > > Heck, we know that one poster has socks that are older than Guy Peleg > > and even know what Mr Vaxman has in his underwear and that Mrs VAXman > > loves every inch of it :-) :-) ;-) More than we need to know about > > posters :-) > > Remember when, a few months ago, an announcement was posted to most/all > newsgroups concerning the shutdown of a newsgroup because the last on > topic posts were two or three years old? We are headed in that general > direction. Fine. Then (and I'm not directing this to you in particular) don't complain when someone asks something that is in the FAQ!!! Especially if it can be answered without much trouble. In fact, one way to increase the number of VMS technical questions would be to rewrite the FAQ to contain this one line: Please post your question in comp.os.vms!!! > > Part of the problem is that most of us have been working with VMS for so > long that we rarely need answers to technical questions. Others of us > are no longer actively working with VMS, etc, etc. Many of the real > wizards have died (Carl Lydick) or moved on to something else (Jerry > Leichter??????) > > When I was still working I didn't have TIME to read this newsgroup; a > hundred or more posts per day, mostly off topic. . . . AEF ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:19:13 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: the real truth about global warming! Message-ID: <1192072753.150860.67200@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> On Oct 10, 5:22 pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: [...] > Remember when, a few months ago, an announcement was posted to most/all > newsgroups concerning the shutdown of a newsgroup because the last on > topic posts were two or three years old? We are headed in that general > direction. Then why is sci.physics still up? :-) We're nowhere near as bad as that group. Don't believe me? Take a look! > Part of the problem is that most of us have been working with VMS for so > long that we rarely need answers to technical questions. Others of us I may well have some coming soon. Stay tuned. > are no longer actively working with VMS, etc, etc. Many of the real > wizards have died (Carl Lydick) or moved on to something else (Jerry > Leichter??????) I don't think Carl was very helpful in attracting VMS technical questions given his extremely rude treatment of posters whose posts didn't meet his standards. On top of that he could have at least made a reasonable attempt to meet them himself!!! > When I was still working I didn't have TIME to read this newsgroup; a > hundred or more posts per day, mostly off topic. . . . AEF ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:50:49 GMT From: Bob Harris Subject: Re: UNIX equivalent of VMS group logicals? Message-ID: In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > In article , Gilles Pion > writes: > > > > You could use "readlink" as a more or less equivalent of "$trnlnm", > > "symlink" > > will be use to replace $crelnm, and you may think of logical name tables > > in > > term of directories ( $crelnt -> mkdir). The unix file protection of the > > directory will be used to provide groupwide access control. > > If the group logical name table is being used only to control access > and make sure that all the detached processes see the same value that > will work. > > But if the OP is also using the group logical name table to allow > different groups to have different values then he needs to add some > code to take the UNIX GID and use it in the path name of the > directory where he puts the links. > > Or he could just put the data in a file, use that file's mode to > control access, and use the GID in the path or filename if he needs > to support multiple groups. > > While there are some features of logical names which can be emualted > by links when finding files, I've found the use of logical names to > store data (as the OP said he is doing) is often more directly > emulated by putting that data in a file. One advantage to symlinks is that their update is atomic. Using a data file can be atomic, but you have to be more careful about the way you do updates and the reading/re-reading of the file. Bob Harris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:25:41 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: We'll always have Munich (was: Re: European OpenVMS Technical Update Days) Message-ID: Hi Tom, > > ERROR 500 - The server has encountered an unexpected condition. Even if I knew where the WASD logs were and even if they recorded an error message I still wouldn't have privilege to see them on Deathrow. I suspect some maintenance going on (see next replies) but could you please give it another go. (Could well be IE7 barfing at my code so please try also with Firefox if it does fail) Cheers Richard Maher "Tom Linden" wrote in message news:op.tzzisco1hv4qyg@murphus.linden... > On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 04:59:12 -0700, Richard Maher > wrote: > > > Hi Tom, > > > >> Give me the link again, please, and I will have a look > > > > Thanks for that, and here you go: - > > > > http://manson.vistech.net/t3$examples/demo_client_web.html > > > > In order to be able to use this Queue Manager example successfully you > > will > > need:- > > > > 1) Javascript enabled > > 2) Java Applets enabled > > 3) Can't be behind a Firewall that forbids all unknown outgoing > > connections > > (otherwise open-up 5255) > > 4) Must be running SUN's JRE 1.4.2_13 or later (1.6 is advised) > > http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp > > I have all the above and got the following on both Opera and IE7 > didn't try Firefox, it always messes up Outlook and I have to go > through some rigamaroll to get it to work again. > > ERROR 500 - The server has encountered an unexpected condition. > > > > If you're using Mac OS X then you must be running Apple's J2SE 1.5 or > > later, > > and you must also be a bit of a self-starter, a bit tech-savy, and be > > able > > to spot a HOLD button when you see one; L-Platers are advised to focus > > elsewhere. If you'd prefer to lay on your back with your wee flippers > > flailing madly in the air, while whining "Boo-Hoo it doesn't work" then > > COV > > is definitely the place for you, but if like Graham and Craig you're > > able to > > distinguish your arse from your elbow when it comes to Mac OS X then > > you're > > in for a rewarding experience. > > 5) Must be running Internet Explorer (6 or later) or Firefox (Haven't > > tested > > other browsers) Safari also works > > > > If need be, turn on the Java Console (Settings/Controle pannel/Java > > Plug-in/Console on) and, if using Firefox, the Error Console. (You just > > gotta love FireBug!!!) > > > > All things being equal you should then be prompted (via Java modal > > dialogue > > box) for:- > > > > Username: TIER3_DEMO > > Password: QUEUE > > > > If things are still going well, enter an asterix "*" for the Queue Name > > and > > you will see the List-of-values appear with all the available queues on > > the > > Deathrow cluster. Now click on the "Get Job Info" button and we're away! > > > > If not the Java Console should give you a message. > > > > If you're slightly curious as to exactly how easily this full-function, > > high-quality, high-performance GUI has gained access to the VMS servers > > that > > we all know and love, then all the source code is available at > > http://manson.vistech.net/t3$examples/ (Can also help to track down any > > problems) > > > > If you'd like to use this application on an ongoing basis from your > > normal > > Inmate Username/Password then please contact me and I will see if it's > > possible. > > > > Cheers Richard Maher > > > > Here's some of the functionality-catwalk highlights from the example: - > > > > 1) Full, one-time, context-specific, VMS User Authentication. No Cookies, > > Session IDs, Password Caching or generic Work-Station or Browser > > credentials! When you load the demo_client_web.html page into your > > browser, > > a Java Applet is automatically activated that prompts the user for their > > VMS > > Username and Password via a modal dialogue box. If authorization fails, > > the > > "Access Denied" page will be displayed and VMS Intrusion Detection (in > > accordance with the policy set out by your System Manager) will be > > enforced, > > and Login-Failures is incremented in SYSUAF. Alternatively, if > > authorization > > is successful (and you left the "Display Logon Confirmation" box ticked) > > then a Welcome dialog box will be displayed detailing last login times > > and > > the number of unsuccessful login attempts (if any). Login-Failures is now > > set to zero and last non-interactive login time is set to the current > > time. > > > > If you refresh this page, or move to a different page, then the server > > connection is broken and you must be re-authorised before continuing to > > access the Demo Queue Manager application. > > > > 2) A Hot-Abort button! After you have pressed the "Get Job Info" button > > you'll notice that the "Abort Request" button becomes active and turns > > red. > > (Actually you probably won't notice 'cos this query completes too quickly > > :-) You can edit the DEMO_UARS.COB code and change the value of the > > DEBUG_DELAY field if you want to see your 3GL Interrupt routine in > > action.) > > In this case the cancel-flag I've set in the AST routine is picked up in > > the > > mainline code, resulting in the graceful termination of the loop that > > controls "next queue" (or "next row") retrieval. > > > > Also, if you look at the getResponse() function in query_lookup.html, you > > will see how the chan.setTimeout() method has been deployed to provide an > > erstwhile "blocking" socket Read with the ability to surrender the > > event-thread for things like processing the Abort button and ticking over > > the clock. (all of this, and much more, "infrastructure-code" is already > > there and doesn't have to be re-invented) > > > > 3) Predictive text on the Queue Name field so that all matching VMS > > queues > > are retrieved on-demand as the user types. As is now common-place with > > many > > websites, a drop down select list of matching options is automatically > > retrieved from the server and made available for the user to select from. > > > > 4) Result-set drill-down. Many database queries return a result-set of > > rows > > for the user to scan through and possibly drill-down into for more > > detail. > > I've provided a reasonably generic example of this, where all matching > > Job > > Entries have been populated into a dynamic HTML select list. Once again > > the > > user was able to see the select-list grow, the scroll-bar diminish, and > > "Jobs Found" field tick over in real-time, whilst continually being > > empowered (by the Abort button) to curtail the results at any time! > > > > If you click on an entry in the Select List then the changes and > > the > > entry_details.html page appears. See the parent.entry_details.getReady() > > call in queue_lookup.html to see how the handover to the new frame takes > > place. (Also see goBack() in entry_details.html to see how simply that > > operation is reversed.) > > > > The user is now free to move forward, back, first, last, refresh, and > > delete > > queue entries, or return to the previous frame. (Thanks to the > > deployment of > > the VMS Persona functionality, the user is only permitted to see those > > queue > > entries that the Username they signed in under is permitted to see. They > > can > > also *only* delete those entries that this username is allowed to > > delete.) > > > > 5) Floating
s. You'll see that any queue names are highlighted in > > bold > > and italics; if you mouseover any of these fields when they are not blank > > then the current status information for that queue will be retrieved from > > the server and displayed in a quasi-popup DIV. > > > > 6) Local Result-Set Sort. If you click on the "header" or "first" row in > > the > > Select List of queues, you will get a popup prompting you for a sort > > key. If > > you select one, the contents of the Select List are sorted in the chosen > > order. (Try enter "*" for the Queue Name and then clicking "Get Job > > Info" to > > get some data worth sorting) > > > > > > "Tom Linden" wrote in message > > news:op.tzympfb0hv4qyg@murphus.linden... > >> On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:46:24 -0700, Richard Maher > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Hi Tom, > >> > > >> >> Aye. > >> > > >> > Then if you get a chance could you please try accessing the demo Queue > >> > Lookup application and let me know how far it gets before barfing? For > >> > ol' > >> > times' sake :-) I was happy to rely on the arrogance of market share > >> > between IE and Firefox, but now with Safari working, I'm curious to > >> see > >> > how > >> > far the portability goes. > >> > >> Give me the link again, please, and I will have a look > >> > >> > > >> > Cheers Richard Maher > >> > > >> > "Tom Linden" wrote in message > >> > news:op.tzyej70rhv4qyg@murphus.linden... > >> >> On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:11:42 -0700, Richard Maher > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > Hi Tom, > >> >> > > >> >> >> and it was impossible to get a full nights sleep during those 16 > >> >> days. > >> >> > > >> >> > Well, just stop turning up :-) > >> >> > > >> >> >> Used to have a flat on the Pettenkoferstrasse about 150m from the > >> >> >> Theresienwiese > >> >> > > >> >> > I lived in Neuhausen, around the back from the Augustiner keller, > >> and > >> >> > then > >> >> > on Dietlinden Strasse just at the top of the Englishergarten/Sea > >> Haus > >> > and > >> >> > was quite happy with the regular civilized beer gardens and never > >> too > >> >> > keen > >> >> > on booking a table or pushing through the masses (no pun intended > >> :-) > >> >> > especially those Kiwis/Aussies who continually let the side down > >> and > >> >> > used to > >> >> > brag about drinking 10litres in a session! I naturally assumed > >> you'd > >> >> > simply > >> >> > drown after 10 litres and it was an idle boast, until I managed to > >> >> drink > >> >> > seven in 7 hours (and the first 3 without going to the loo!) - I > >> had > >> >> no > >> >> > trouble sleeping :-) > >> >> > > >> >> > I even bought one of those silly hats and wore it for about 30 secs > > on > >> >> > the > >> >> > rollercoaster :-( > >> >> > > >> >> > What was this year's recurring song? (I recall we had the Macarana > > one > >> >> > year > >> >> > (and "living next door to Alice" for some reason?)) > >> >> > > >> >> > Cheers Richard Maher > >> >> > > >> >> > PS. Was it you who used Opera? > >> >> > >> >> Aye. > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > "Tom Linden" wrote in message > >> >> > news:op.tzxva4xahv4qyg@murphus... > >> >> >> On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:06:07 -0700, Michael Unger > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On 2007-10-08 16:58, "Neil Rieck" wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> [...] > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> p.s. Aren't they currently celebrating Oktoberfest in Munich? > >> :-) > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > They were -- from September 22th to October 7th this year (AFAIK > > 16 > >> >> >> days > >> >> >> > each year, ending at the first full weekend in october). No, I > >> > haven't > >> >> >> > been there ... > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Michael > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Used to have a flat on the Pettenkoferstrasse about 150m from the > >> >> >> Theresienwiese > >> >> >> and it was impossible to get a full nights sleep during those 16 > >> >> days. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> PL/I for OpenVMS > >> >> >> www.kednos.com > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> PL/I for OpenVMS > >> >> www.kednos.com > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> PL/I for OpenVMS > >> www.kednos.com > > > > > > > > -- > PL/I for OpenVMS > www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:46:58 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: We'll always have Munich (was: Re: European OpenVMS Technical Update Days) Message-ID: Hi Martin, Thanks for the *detailed* reply! > the queue select window, but see the following JavaScript errors Ich auch :-( Which brings me to that fabulous question "What's changed?". Look, I have nothing to do with the Deathrow cluster (nor they us) apart from having offered them a Hobbyist License and to getting the queue lookup example up and running, so I'm not sure if any maintenance has been going on over the last few hours/days. But after having experienced those Javascript errors with both IE6 and Firefox at 6:30am I can now report that all's well at 7:30am - bizarre! Please try again and see if you've also received the magic fix. I offer a couple of possibilities before going away to think more: - 1) The pages and Javascript are now in my local cache therefore eliminating any partial transmission/timing issues that were causing problems 2) There was some maintenance work going on with WASD on MANSON receive/send buffer sizes? Logical names? The reason I opt for "2" is that I've seen similar issues when using the Tier3 Applet Uploader to deliver HTML pages. The Applet Uploader is a lightweight WebServer that will deliver Applet Archive files from your VMS server to a web browser. It is extremely useful and very fast for those companies whose main webserver is on Unix or Windows and don't need a big bloated beastie on their VMS boxes. To cut a long story short, if you try to use it to also serve up text/html pages then, because it (at present) just dumps block i/o onto the web, the browser can hit end of stream without a CRLF and barf. Anyway, give it another go (as will I) and please let me know what happens. Judging by the Tier3 log files and responses we've received, there have been quite a few people running the Queue Lookup application very successfully for some time now, so I'm sticking with the "something's changed" line :-) Cheers Richard Maher "Martin Vorlaender" wrote in message news:op.tzzrq8s9dc3j58@notemv-tap.mv.privat... Tom Linden wrote: > Richard Maher wrote: >>> Give me the link again, please, and I will have a look >> >> Thanks for that, and here you go: - >> >> http://manson.vistech.net/t3$examples/demo_client_web.html >> >> In order to be able to use this Queue Manager example successfully you >> will need:- ... > I have all the above and got the following on both Opera and IE7 > didn't try Firefox, it always messes up Outlook and I have to go > through some rigamaroll to get it to work again. > > ERROR 500 - The server has encountered an unexpected condition. I have Opera 9.23 on WinXP, and Java 1.5.0-12. I get the login and the queue select window, but see the following JavaScript errors (I trust your german being good enough to be able to read the german part of the error messages): CSS - attachment:/31/attachment31.htm Inlined stylesheet Declaration syntax error Line 6: border-top:#000000 1px solid; 1px solid; border-right:#000000 -----------------------------------------^ JavaScript - http://manson.vistech.net/t3$examples/common.js Das verlinkte Skript wurde nicht geladen. JavaScript - http://manson.vistech.net/t3$examples/queue_lookup.html Event thread: keyup Error: name: TypeError message: Statement on line 216: Type mismatch (usually a non-object value used where an object is required) Backtrace: Line 216 of inline#1 script in http://manson.vistech.net/t3$examples/queue_lookup.html if (msgQue.rTrim() == "") Line 1 of script return queLookup(); At unknown location [statement source code not available] JavaScript - http://manson.vistech.net/t3$examples/queue_lookup.html Event thread: click Error: name: ReferenceError message: Statement on line 277: Reference to undefined variable: zeros Backtrace: Line 277 of inline#1 script in http://manson.vistech.net/t3$examples/queue_lookup.html if (msgEntry.length > zeros && parseInt(msgEntry, 10) == zeros) Line 1 of script jobLookup(); At unknown location [statement source code not available] HTH, Martin P.S.: The JavaScript error window is non-standard. -- One OS to rule them all | Martin Vorlaender | OpenVMS rules! One OS to find them | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de One OS to bring them all | http://vms.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin.vorlaender@t-online.de ------------------------------ Date: 10 Oct 2007 19:30:27 -0500 From: burley.not-this@encompasserve-or-this.org (Graham Burley) Subject: Re: We'll always have Munich (was: Re: European OpenVMS Technical Update Days) Message-ID: In article , "Richard Maher" writes: >> ERROR 500 - The server has encountered an unexpected condition. > > Even if I knew where the WASD logs were and even if they recorded an error > message I still wouldn't have privilege to see them on Deathrow. > %HTTPD-I-BEGIN, 04-OCT-2007 07:35:12, accepting requests %HTTPD-W-NOTICED, 10-OCT-2007 14:00:18, NET:1004, NetAcceptSupervisor() %X000001B4 -SYSTEM-F-NOIOCHAN, no I/O channel available %HTTPD-W-NOTICED, 10-OCT-2007 14:00:24, NET:1035, NetAcceptSupervisor() SS$_NOIOCHAN %X00000001 etc Not sure what's going on there (yet), but it's no doubt our fault. Normal service has apparently resumed afer following httpd/do=restart. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 05:15:08 +0200 From: "Martin Vorlaender" Subject: Re: We'll always have Munich (was: Re: European OpenVMS Technical Update Days) Message-ID: Richard, Richard Maher wrote: > Thanks for the *detailed* reply! > >> the queue select window, but see the following JavaScript errors > > Ich auch :-( ... > Anyway, give it another go (as will I) and please let me know what happens. Yup, works for me now. I can select queues, get a list of job entries, and get the entry detail window if I select one. Nice! cu, Martin -- One OS to rule them all | Martin Vorlaender | OpenVMS rules! One OS to find them | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de One OS to bring them all | http://vms.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin.vorlaender@t-online.de ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.555 ************************