INFO-VAX Mon, 08 Oct 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 549 Contents: Re: Accessing saved registers in condition handlers CIXCD firmware Re: European OpenVMS Technical Update Days Re: European OpenVMS Technical Update Days Re: European OpenVMS Technical Update Days Newbie guide to NFS between MAC and VMS Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Re: still not convinced global warming a hoax? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:22:58 -0700 From: j_xenu@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Accessing saved registers in condition handlers Message-ID: <1191810178.606927.63200@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> On Oct 2, 10:47 am, IanMiller wrote: > See the calling standard manualhttp://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82final/5973/5973pro.html > > and the invocation context routines in the RTLhttp://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82final/5932/5932pro_023.html#get_cur_i... OK I can call LIB$I64_GET_CURR_INVO_CONTEXT and LIB $I64_GET_PREV_INVO_CONTEXT and walk up the frames from a condition handler fine. How can I tell for sure which frame corresponds to the procedure that had the exception that caused the condition handler to be called? I match the PC from the sigargs parameter of the handler to the PCs in the frames and that _usually_ works. One case where it doesn't is if a procedure tries to call a routine at a bogus memory address, generating an accvio. The PC in the sigargs structure is the bogus address, but of course, no routine has that PC within it, so trying to find that PC fails. Plus I'd expect it to fail if there are recursive procedures, multiple frames may have the same PC. There seem to always be 2 frames between the faulting procedure and the handler. Can I assume that is _always_ the case? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 11:37:46 -0700 From: FrankS Subject: CIXCD firmware Message-ID: <1191782266.748600.76020@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Oct 4, 9:45 am, FrankS wrote: > Does anyone know where I can find information on setting the CIXCD > node number jumpers? Thank you to those that responded to my earlier question. Both links to the archived literature were very helpful. I'm still on the hunt for CIXCD info. Does anyone have the 4K packet firmware for that adapter on a VAX platform? The HP firmware web site has what they call the "last official release" for a VAX 7000, but that appears to contain the pre-4K firmware (v49). HP also has a v4A which specifically removes the 4K packet support, and which I suspect is for Alpha platforms. I'm hoping to get the v69 CIXCD firmware, or any subsequent release that supported 4K packet sizes. (I am working on a VAX 7000-600 system, so if there was another firmware release after the V0C on the HP web site that contains the 4K support then that will do nicely.) Thanks again in advance. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 20:32:04 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: European OpenVMS Technical Update Days Message-ID: <8nbOi.46$gM.36@newsfe12.lga> In article <1191759362.467649.27000@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>, Sue writes: > > >Dear Newsgroup, > >I am sitting at Heathrow airport waiting for my flight to be called >reflecting on the last two weeks in Europe. > >So I thought I would try and work with an English keyboard and try and >give you an update. Why does your keyboard change because you are in the UK? I've been to the UK on numerous occasions and my keyboard still behaves like it does in the states. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 20:57:29 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: European OpenVMS Technical Update Days Message-ID: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <1191759362.467649.27000@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>, Sue writes: >> >> Dear Newsgroup, >> >> I am sitting at Heathrow airport waiting for my flight to be called >> reflecting on the last two weeks in Europe. >> >> So I thought I would try and work with an English keyboard and try and >> give you an update. > > Why does your keyboard change because you are in the UK? I've been to > the UK on numerous occasions and my keyboard still behaves like it does > in the states. > Maybe becuse Sue has been in Sweden the last couple of days and got used to our keyboard layout ? Then the UK layout *is* different... Jan-Erik. PS: It was damn nice meeting all those talented people. Incl Sue, Meg, Andy and all others. Well worth the trip and hotell costs. Thank you all !! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:44:55 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: European OpenVMS Technical Update Days Message-ID: On 10/07/07 15:57, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: > VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> In article <1191759362.467649.27000@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>, Sue >> writes: >>> >>> Dear Newsgroup, >>> >>> I am sitting at Heathrow airport waiting for my flight to be called >>> reflecting on the last two weeks in Europe. >>> >>> So I thought I would try and work with an English keyboard and try and >>> give you an update. >> >> Why does your keyboard change because you are in the UK? I've been to >> the UK on numerous occasions and my keyboard still behaves like it does >> in the states. >> > > Maybe becuse Sue has been in Sweden the last couple of days and got > used to our keyboard layout ? Then the UK layout *is* different... He's attempting to make a joke about a keyboard magically changing functionality simply because it is transported from .se to .uk. > Jan-Erik. > > PS: > It was damn nice meeting all those talented people. Incl Sue, > Meg, Andy and all others. Well worth the trip and hotell costs. > Thank you all !! -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 23:00:05 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Newbie guide to NFS between MAC and VMS Message-ID: VMS 8.3 with TCPIP services 5.6 on Alpha, MAC OSX 10.4 (tiger) on PowerPC. I would like to do the following: user "pastry" on a MAC having a disk mapped to a directory USRDIR:[pastry] on VMS (where USRDIR is $diskx:[users.] ) Could anyone take a few moments to describe to me what needs to be done on both side to get it to work ? I have not gotten it to work using the MAC's menu driven NFS. If I need to manually map the VMS directory to a MAC drive, what is the command that needs to be used, and if I wish to automate it so it is mapped at boot time, in which MAC file need I add that command ? On the VMS side, can the NFS software use a rooted logical as a device, or must it absolutely be an actual VMS device name ? (The proxies I have setup seem to work already). ------------------------------ Date: 7 Oct 2007 16:06:48 -0500 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Message-ID: <9F5irNHfqP9E@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > http://tmesis.com/powerpuke.html " Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Macromedia's Flash Player. " It is impolite to post a URL without warning people that following it will fail from a secured browser. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 21:26:54 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Message-ID: Larry Kilgallen wrote: > In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >> http://tmesis.com/powerpuke.html > > " Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Macromedia's Flash Player. " > > It is impolite to post a URL without warning people that following > it will fail from a secured browser. What is so unsecure with YouTube ?? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:38:11 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Message-ID: In article <9F5irNHfqP9E@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: > > >In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >> http://tmesis.com/powerpuke.html > >" Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Macromedia's Flash Player. " > >It is impolite to post a URL without warning people that following >it will fail from a secured browser. I put a brief description on my link that it was taking one to YouTube. I have no control over YouTube's content. I would have converted that video to MPEG but it's not my video. I'm much more leary about posting copyrighted material I do not own on my web site than I am about JavaScript incompatibilities. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:15:11 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Message-ID: On 10/06/07 11:52, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 10/06/07 03:08, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: >>> JF Mezei wrote: >>>> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>>>> http://tmesis.com/powerpuke.html >>>>> >>>> Redirects to a site for which VMS has no support :-( :-( >>> That comment was actualy funnier then the >>> actual PP presenttaion (that was quite funny >>> in itself)... >> >> But OpenVMS is a server platform, not a client, right? :\ >> > > At least not a *desktop* client platform. But that's nothing > new about that, is there ? I believe what HP tells me... I obey what HP tells me... I believe what HP tells me... I obey what HP tells me... I believe what HP tells me... I obey what HP tells me... I believe what HP tells me... I obey what HP tells me... -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:26:32 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Message-ID: <_OeOi.13369$495.245@newsfe22.lga> On 10/07/07 04:09, Michael Kraemer wrote: > JF Mezei schrieb: > >> In fairness to that IA64 contraption, one can configure an IA64 server >> as a workstation (add graphics card, monitor, keyboard, mouse) and >> then run X windows on it. > > Well, IMHO a workstation is sth which is living-room- and > wife-compatible. I'm not sure a redeclared server with > its noise level and power consumption qualifies as such. > >> And yes, X windows is still being made available for VMS. What is >> lacking for that IA64 thing is VMS support for sound. (useful for >> mission critical applications such as air traffic control). > > What for ? Hmmm. Why ever would an air traffic controller want an alarm to go off if a plane: 1. got too close to another plane, 2. was approaching at too steep an angle, 3. was approaching too low an angle, 4. was approaching too fast, 5. was approaching too slow, 6. got too near the end of the runway, 7. left it's designated flight path, 8. slowed down too much, 9. sped up too much, 10. indicated "running on fumes", 11. indicated "engine fire", 12. indicated "hijack alert", 13. indicated medical emergency, 14. etc, etc, etc, etc. > To make the appropriate sound whenever planes crash ? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:37:22 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Message-ID: <8ZeOi.13370$495.13123@newsfe22.lga> On 10/07/07 03:34, JF Mezei wrote: > Dirk Munk wrote: > >> There used to be Itanium workstations, but not anymore it seems. So >> now you can't get a VMS workstation anymore. That's called progress I >> suppose ? > > In fairness to that IA64 contraption, one can configure an IA64 server > as a workstation (add graphics card, monitor, keyboard, mouse) and then > run X windows on it. > > And yes, X windows is still being made available for VMS. What is > lacking for that IA64 thing is VMS support for sound. (useful for > mission critical applications such as air traffic control). Noting VMS' high-end features and availability, plus X Windows' network transparency, I'd put a cluster of IA64 machines in the corner (well, maybe each on opposite ends of the room), and use net-booting diskless Linux boxes as X terminals. (After, of course, disabling the USB & Firewire port.) -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:41:05 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Message-ID: On 10/07/07 16:06, Larry Kilgallen wrote: > In article , VAXman- > @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >> http://tmesis.com/powerpuke.html > > " Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version > of Macromedia's Flash Player. " > > It is impolite to post a URL without warning people that > following it will fail from a secured browser. What's so secure about Mozilla? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: 7 Oct 2007 22:06:34 -0500 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Message-ID: In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > In article <9F5irNHfqP9E@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: >> >> >>In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >>> http://tmesis.com/powerpuke.html >> >>" Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Macromedia's Flash Player. " >> >>It is impolite to post a URL without warning people that following >>it will fail from a secured browser. > > I put a brief description on my link that it was taking one to YouTube. But not that the result would be a requirement for JavaScript and Flash. > I have no control over YouTube's content. I am not suggesting you prevent people from going there, merely that you warn them before wasting their time in clicking the tmesis.com link you posted. > I would have converted that video to MPEG but it's not my video. Certainly. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 20:02:30 -0700 From: Neil Rieck Subject: Re: still not convinced global warming a hoax? Message-ID: <1191812550.483898.79040@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Oct 4, 12:40 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > Question: > > In my mind, a religious person has always been a compassionate person > willing to share wealth, help others, live a good honest life and make > sure to protect god's creations (wether humans or animals or the planet). > > How come in the USA, religious persons are most often associated with > the exact opposite ? right wing conservatives who want wars that kill > hundreds of thousands of humans, help large business instead of helping > the poor, don't care about polluting the planet etc ? > > Or is it a case of religious persons in the USA supporting one party > that is 99% against what they believe in just because the agree with the > remaining 1% (abortion) ? True Christians are non-violent evangelists but many North American Christians are obsessed with escatology and other end-time nonsense. They think it is OK to destroy the Earth because Christ will return soon and make everything right. (poor mis-guided sods) I recently saw some confusing gallop poll statistics which illuminates the problem some what: 1) only 33% of Americans believe that the Bible is the literal word of God 2) yet 59% of Americans believe the battle of Armageddon (described in the Book of Revelation) will happen in our time. This contradiction seems to indicate that North American Christians are more superstitious than they are religious. NSR ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.549 ************************