INFO-VAX Sun, 24 Jun 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 342 Contents: Re: And the question was? (Re: Amazing, two new articles on Computerworld.com ac Re: And the question was? (Re: Amazing, two new articles on Computerworld.com ac Re: I need some cleanings tips and advice. Re: Multiple Hobbyist Layered Products Licenses for more than 1 Alpha? Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option SOA and VMS stuff [Change topic] Practical use for an otherwise unused NIC Re: [Change topic] Practical use for an otherwise unused NIC ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 05:47:14 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: And the question was? (Re: Amazing, two new articles on Computerworld.com ac Message-ID: <1182689234.575093.170790@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On Jun 22, 5:02 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > AEF wrote: > > Besides, you been claiming VMS faced imminent death for years as Rob > > Young has pointed out months (years?) ago. What's different this time? > > I have not claimed VMS faces imminent death. But what is clear is that > VMS is slowly being poisoned and eventually, HP will just put it out of > its misery. http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_frm/thread/6608981fe1a142a9/4e47596f9bc9c55f?lnk=gst&q=jf+death&rnum=1&hl=en#4e47596f9bc9c55f Or just use Google Groups and search cov for "death JF" and read message 5 (by Rob Young). You're right! You said "impending death", not "imminent death". Sorry. > You need to look at it from HP's point of view. They have no intentions > of growing VMS. Their only intentions are to move as many VMS customers > to their selected platform as possible. While they're obviously not big on growing VMS, I don't think they're actively trying to move customers away from it. > If they sell VMS to Bruden or Process (or a joint venture of both), then > HP will lose a greater percentage of customers to those companies who > will also sell support than if HP lies to customers with fake roadmaps > and fully intends to convert them to HP-UX. Roadmaps are not contracts. > > Messges such as Livermore's are intended to get ISVs to rething their > commitment to VMS. When an ISV like Cerner announces it is dropping VMS > support, the stain goes on Cerner and not HP so people aren't so mad at HP. She said what's obvious: any company wants to keep its customers and that means keeping them happy enough not to jump ship. > > It is our role as VMS loyalist to ensure that HP doesn't get away with > this tactic by pointing out that in the case of Cerner, surely there has > been a deal by HP to urge Cerner to move to HP-UX. It was certaintly > not customer requests that pushed that. So if the blame for the loss of > Cerner lais flat on HP's face in the public eye, then HP will learn that > it cannot do this anymore. I don't know enough about this deal to comment. But again you appear to be putting the worst possible spin on it. > > And we need to convince HP that there is NOTHING WRONG WITH GROWING VMS. Agreed. I wrote my letter to Hurd and now we have the disaster-proof video. Hah! ;-D > > If HP sells VMS to Bruden/Process, at least customers will not yhold a > grudge against HP and may continue to buy HP's coloured water in > expensive small containers. > > If HP continues to act to quicken VMS's demise, then customers will > revold against HP and HP will stand to lose sales of other products. > > WE MUST MAKE IT CLEAR TO HURD THAT VMS CUSTOMERS WILL NOT BE HP > CUSTOMERS UNLESS HP PROMOTES VMS. I already wrote him and told him that with other OSes customers can always go somewhere else. AEF ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jun 2007 15:30:40 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: And the question was? (Re: Amazing, two new articles on Computerworld.com ac Message-ID: <467e8e20$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article <1182689234.575093.170790@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: >She said what's obvious: any company wants to keep its customers and >that means keeping them happy enough not to jump ship. I expect more actions and more positive words if HP intends to keep its (VMS) customers (because a lot ARE still forced to jumping ship) Sigh. History is repeating itself over and over (and yet we still hope)... -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 03:37:55 -0700 From: clyde2688@yahoo.com Subject: Re: I need some cleanings tips and advice. Message-ID: <1182681475.376078.183960@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com> As mentioned in yesterday's Rogue post, I highly believe in Cooking as a skill that's excellent to have. You save yourself money in regards to buying food, and you have a highly portable and common source of buffs. For those of us who have classes that can't cast buffs, this is a real boon -- although every class can benefit from added buffs! So when I saw the mentioned addition of more new Cooking recipes in the patch, I had to get out there and see what was available. For those of you who haven't gotten time to check into them, here's the lowdown. There are three new recipes available from the lovely dancing barmaid, Kylene, in the bar in the Lower City. The amusing thing about these three new recipes (at least to me) is that they have you cooking the off-hand fish "weapons" that you can catch. (Of course, this means that gone are the days of Monty Python Fish Slapping Dance renditions. Wait... Maybe that's just my guild. ) Nonetheless, for those with an eye for fresh fish and sampling the finest in Azerothian Cuisine, check out the Good Eats after the jump! http://www.wowatm.com http://www.wowatm.com http://www.wowatm.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 12:06:01 +0200 From: Michael Kraemer Subject: Re: Multiple Hobbyist Layered Products Licenses for more than 1 Alpha? Message-ID: JF Mezei schrieb: > > It isn't the number of persons that count, of course it does. It's the number of persons which makes the popularity, not the number of machines. > it is the number of machines > still running VMS that does. Which would be a fake number in my case. If at all, I just run a main VAXstation, the others are just sitting on the shelf as a spare. > Also, while it may not have been done, the fine folk who operates the > hobbysit programme could also draw statistics on the types of machines > in use, average number of machines per member, and how this changes year > after year. A single dedicated poll every now and then would suffice. If one assumes that people give the serial number of their main machine (and not the spares catching dust in the basement), the way it's now handled gives a sufficiently realistic picture of what is really in use. > Getting one licence per machine is really no big deal. And believe me, > when/if you do cluster them, I don't. > you not only require difference licences, > but you'll also want to tag each licence to a node because you will want > a single licence database. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 03:30:36 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Message-ID: <1bce9$467e1db5$cef8887a$16812@TEKSAVVY.COM> Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > it is only 2 clicks from the main page: > hp.com => > (bottom left) New server, storage, software and services for the enterprise => > (right column, under HP StorageWorks Conference) Watch the video I tried to find that video by myself by first going to hp.com and looking at the enterprise business page. Couldn't find it. There were references to other videos though. So, I went back to your post, read though it. Couldn't even find my bearings on the main HP.COM page. : it was different from your description. (remember that I live in a different universe where things always seem to be slightly different from what everyone else here sees.) So I went back to the orinal post to find the "GO/something" url and got to the video. Will have to wait for a large decompress job to complete because that video takes a lot fo cpu to watch. However, it appears to be an add for their storage systems. At the top are is the hiearchical links: Storage -> Storage Solutions But clicking on the "Storage Solutions" brings the page from which one should be able to click to get to the disaster video, but there is no mention of that video on that page. So, one would have to go to HP page, client on the enterprise tab, then "storage", then "storage solutions" and hopefully the link would have been there. But it isn't there anymore. I guess When stallard and/or Livermore realised that VMS was mentioned in that video, they had all references of it pulled from the main HP went site :-) :-) :-) The go/disasterproof link still works though. If I, looking for that video, couldn't find it, do you seriously expect someone browsing the HP went site to be attracted to watching this video to see a mention of VMS ? I was not able to even find your bearing on the main hp page. Remember that I live in a parralel universe where things are slightly different. This is a perfect example of slealth marketing. If you argue to HP that they are never mentioning VMS, they will point to that video on their web site. But the web site is done in such a way that nobody would ever reach that part unless they were specifically told about it. Perhaps HP thinks customers go to the hp web site on a daily basis and thus there is no need to keep a video announced for more than a day or two. also, searching for "disasterproof" in the "large enterprise business" yields only one pdf document. no mention of that video. OK, got to watch the video. This is a video that should have been shown to the masses because it is cute and is devoid of any serious content. It should not be shown to serious IT folks. Consider if, instead of a gas explosion, there had been a Hurd of buffalos that ran between the 2 sites (only 1900 feet apart) and their hoofs had severed the fibre cable. (you can replace the buffalos with a farmer driving a terrorist backhoe and severing the cable if you wish). Would all OS instances continued to operate on the same side and from the same disk array with the other side frozen, or would some have split with both sides operating independantly etc etc ? And one could consider this video to be very much anti-VMS. While VMS is still mentioned as the fastest to recover from whatever config they had, they also make the point that all other operating systems recover mighthy quickly from whatever random software they were running (or perhaps it was just booted without any applications running ?). So, if all the other OS can also failover within 2 minutes, is it worth keeping VMS around ? Yes, we, in the group , know about all the real clustering features VMS has and the others don't have, And we know that VMS really has the data integrity features to prevent corrupted locks, corrupted disks and confused applications during node failures in a cluster, as well as the config to ensure that a cluster's data remains sane no matter what type of failure happens. Blowing up computers is far simpler in terms of recovery than cutting a fibre link between the two. However, that Video makes the OS's all apear to have similar stuff for recovery, and it insinuated that it happens due to their storage array products. "LEARN MORE" brought me to some page with dozens of PDF documents. I was hoping for a single technical document describing the actual configs of that test so one could judge exactly how each OS failed over and what services were provided by the storage arrays. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 10:58:57 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Message-ID: In article <1bce9$467e1db5$cef8887a$16812@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: >Anton Shterenlikht wrote: >> it is only 2 clicks from the main page: >> hp.com => >> (bottom left) New server, storage, software and services for the enterprise => >> (right column, under HP StorageWorks Conference) Watch the video > >I tried to find that video by myself by first going to hp.com and >looking at the enterprise business page. Couldn't find it. There were >references to other videos though. > >So, I went back to your post, read though it. Couldn't even find my >bearings on the main HP.COM page. : it was different from your >description. (remember that I live in a different universe where things >always seem to be slightly different from what everyone else here sees.) > I found it easily enough goto http://www.hp.com ( Note. This page has some annonying tabs which seem to be set differently according to what browser/OS combination and IP address you are using or cookies you have or something. The tabs control what the rest of the page looks like. So if the Home & Home Office tab is highlighted you get one page whereas if the Large Enterprise Business tab is highlighted you get another page. If it isn't highlighted move your mouse to hover over the Large Enterprise Business tab (but don't click on it as that will take you to yet another page) ) Then click on " What's New >>> Products,services and solutions to benefit large businesses " Then Click on "Watch the video" in the section " Explosive video shows how HP solutions are "Disaster Proof" Recently, a team from HP blew up more than $1 million in equipment with 70 pounds of C4 explosives to prove a point - that HP can protect your organization's critical information assets in a disaster. > Watch the video > Learn more " Also if you follow the "Learn More" link you are taken to HP's page on "Disaster-proof solutions from HP" In the list of product-focused white papers Building a disaster-proof data center with HP openVMS is the second link behind Building a disaster-proof data center with HP Integrity Non-stop but ahead of the papers for Linux and Windows. In the Products section it also listed second (this time behind HP-UX). David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University >So I went back to the orinal post to find the "GO/something" url and got >to the video. Will have to wait for a large decompress job to complete >because that video takes a lot fo cpu to watch. > >However, it appears to be an add for their storage systems. > >At the top are is the hiearchical links: > >Storage -> Storage Solutions > >But clicking on the "Storage Solutions" brings the page from which one >should be able to click to get to the disaster video, but there is no >mention of that video on that page. > >So, one would have to go to HP page, client on the enterprise tab, then >"storage", then "storage solutions" and hopefully the link would have >been there. But it isn't there anymore. > >I guess When stallard and/or Livermore realised that VMS was mentioned >in that video, they had all references of it pulled from the main HP >went site :-) :-) :-) > >The go/disasterproof link still works though. > > >If I, looking for that video, couldn't find it, do you seriously expect >someone browsing the HP went site to be attracted to watching this video >to see a mention of VMS ? > > >I was not able to even find your bearing on the main hp page. Remember >that I live in a parralel universe where things are slightly different. > > >This is a perfect example of slealth marketing. If you argue to HP that >they are never mentioning VMS, they will point to that video on their >web site. But the web site is done in such a way that nobody would ever >reach that part unless they were specifically told about it. > >Perhaps HP thinks customers go to the hp web site on a daily basis and >thus there is no need to keep a video announced for more than a day or two. > > >also, searching for "disasterproof" in the "large enterprise business" >yields only one pdf document. no mention of that video. > > >OK, got to watch the video. This is a video that should have been shown >to the masses because it is cute and is devoid of any serious content. >It should not be shown to serious IT folks. > > >Consider if, instead of a gas explosion, there had been a Hurd of >buffalos that ran between the 2 sites (only 1900 feet apart) and their >hoofs had severed the fibre cable. (you can replace the buffalos with a >farmer driving a terrorist backhoe and severing the cable if you wish). > >Would all OS instances continued to operate on the same side and from >the same disk array with the other side frozen, or would some have split >with both sides operating independantly etc etc ? > > > >And one could consider this video to be very much anti-VMS. While VMS is >still mentioned as the fastest to recover from whatever config they had, >they also make the point that all other operating systems recover >mighthy quickly from whatever random software they were running (or >perhaps it was just booted without any applications running ?). > >So, if all the other OS can also failover within 2 minutes, is it worth >keeping VMS around ? > >Yes, we, in the group , know about all the real clustering features VMS >has and the others don't have, And we know that VMS really has the data >integrity features to prevent corrupted locks, corrupted disks and >confused applications during node failures in a cluster, as well as the >config to ensure that a cluster's data remains sane no matter what type >of failure happens. > >Blowing up computers is far simpler in terms of recovery than cutting a >fibre link between the two. > >However, that Video makes the OS's all apear to have similar stuff for >recovery, and it insinuated that it happens due to their storage array >products. > >"LEARN MORE" brought me to some page with dozens of PDF documents. I was >hoping for a single technical document describing the actual configs of >that test so one could judge exactly how each OS failed over and what >services were provided by the storage arrays. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 05:34:16 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Message-ID: <1182688456.595038.204960@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Jun 24, 6:58 am, davi...@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > In article <1bce9$467e1db5$cef8887a$16...@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: > > >Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > >> it is only 2 clicks from the main page: > >> hp.com => > >> (bottom left) New server, storage, software and services for the enterprise => > >> (right column, under HP StorageWorks Conference) Watch the video > > >I tried to find that video by myself by first going to hp.com and > >looking at the enterprise business page. Couldn't find it. There were > >references to other videos though. > > >So, I went back to your post, read though it. Couldn't even find my > >bearings on the main HP.COM page. : it was different from your > >description. (remember that I live in a different universe where things > >always seem to be slightly different from what everyone else here sees.) > > I found it easily enough > > gotohttp://www.hp.com > > ( > Note. This page has some annonying tabs which seem to be set differently > according to what browser/OS combination and IP address you are using or > cookies you have or something. [...big-snip...] Well, the original 2-click solution from Anton worked for me initially, but not as of yesterday. However, the following works for me now: Home page Move mouse over the Large Enterprise tab and click IT Solutions. Then you'll see on the right half of the screen "Disaster Proof" with several relevant links, including one to the video. Not too bad. I'm using Firefox 2.0.0.4 on Win98 and Verizon DSL. ... Just tried it on IE6 and it worked the same. AEF ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 09:04:52 -0400 From: "Ken Robinson" Subject: Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Message-ID: <7dd80f60706240604m7d269113w282ef11d1f2f5276@mail.gmail.com> On 6/24/07, AEF wrote: > Well, the original 2-click solution from Anton worked for me > initially, but not as of yesterday. However, the following works for > me now: > > Home page > > Move mouse over the Large Enterprise tab and click IT Solutions. > > Then you'll see on the right half of the screen "Disaster Proof" with > several relevant links, including one to the video. > > Not too bad. > > I'm using Firefox 2.0.0.4 on Win98 and Verizon DSL. ... Just tried it > on IE6 and it worked the same. There is now a white paper from Enterprise Strategy Group on the site that describes the computing environment in more detail. It can be found at http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/4AA1-3538ENW.pdf Here's one quote from it: "ESG was impressed that the OpenVMS environment was up and running in less than 14 seconds" And: "A hard disk drive from the AlphaServer ES40 system was found about one hundred and twenty yards out (see the X in Figure Ten). Amazingly, it looked like it could still be plugged in and work." Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 15:24:30 +0100 From: "John Wallace" Subject: Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Message-ID: <467e7ea0$0$8746$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net> "Ken Robinson" wrote in message news:7dd80f60706240604m7d269113w282ef11d1f2f5276@mail.gmail.com... > On 6/24/07, AEF wrote: > > Well, the original 2-click solution from Anton worked for me > > initially, but not as of yesterday. However, the following works for > > me now: > > > > Home page > > > > Move mouse over the Large Enterprise tab and click IT Solutions. > > > > Then you'll see on the right half of the screen "Disaster Proof" with > > several relevant links, including one to the video. > > > > Not too bad. > > > > I'm using Firefox 2.0.0.4 on Win98 and Verizon DSL. ... Just tried it > > on IE6 and it worked the same. I had another go at downloading the video this morning but I failed again; I still think getting this video on (something like) Youtube would be good (and then keepvid.com and others would be able to download it :)). The PDF document may not address the same audience as the video but is likely actually more appropriate to many of the movers and shakers in HP's intended audience; the video could increase the visibility of VMS, which is itself a worthwhile cause. > > There is now a white paper from Enterprise Strategy Group on the site > that describes the computing environment in more detail. It can be > found at http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/4AA1-3538ENW.pdf > > Here's one quote from it: > "ESG was impressed that the OpenVMS environment was up and running in > less than 14 seconds" > > Ken Thank you, that's more like it, some detail... I had assumed that ESG was part of HP, but it seems that the Enterprise Strategy Group are "independent" consultants (y'know, independent like Gartner etc). There are still some questions whose answers weren't immediately obvious after a quick run-through, they've already been asked in this thread, but the two main ones of interest to me would be: Q1) Per OS: Is the setup active/active or is the "disaster recovery" site doing nothing useful till the disaster happens? Q2) Per OS: What happens where inter-site connectivity is lost while both sites survive ? This feels just as likely as (if not more likely than) the "losing a site" scenario; which one is truly more likely, I don't know. > And: > "A hard disk drive from the AlphaServer ES40 system was found about > one hundred and twenty yards out (see the X in Figure Ten). Amazingly, > it looked like it could still be > plugged in and work." > Hmmm. Hope that's not indicative of the standard of Field Service these days (assuming they still exist in any meaningful way). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 16:57:21 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: SOA and VMS stuff Message-ID: Hi Kerry, > Well, if modern tools means SOA type technologies, then imho, I have to > smile at this. I found (and love!) this recent post in the comp.lang.java.programmer newsgroup: - > a funny but true Ads by IBM > > try { > > installTomcat(); > integrateAxis(); > addSecurity(); > throwInMessaging(); > } catch (TooComplicatedException e) { And a couple of links I post here previously (How hard can it be?): - Here's a lovely "little" Hello-World EJB example from HP thenselves to help you make up your minds: - http://devresource.hp.com/drc/technical_papers/ejb_jboss/ And here's one where the same people who used to discuss the criticality of "seperating form and function" now discuss the "evils of point to point integrations". http://devresource.hp.com/drc/technical_white_papers/p2pSOA/p2pSOA_HP... > While there are no doubt a few areas where these technologies might be > useful, Kerry, are you really denying that most IT system's requirements fit a similar profile to: - 1) Combine my chosen News from the Athens Chronicle with the weather from Bogata 2) Translate it all into Swahili 3) Fix foreign currency fluctuations 4) Serve it up with my CornFlakes Surely, this is what IT managers have been crying out for :-) There was also a guy recently in the COBOL newsgroup (from NZ post I think) discussing the beauty of a SOAP based address validation service. I suppose they're as likely as anyone to have a resonable list of valid addresses, but how does your client application rate the prospective service providers? What SLA do you have with these people so that when your application freezes due to an NZ Post outage, or data corruption, you can sue them? What if down the track they decide to start charging (or increase the charges) for the service? When a street name changes do we all get a UDP broadcast telling us to update our databases? Is the beauty of XML not the schema and a service provider's ability to change the metadata on the fly? So Suburb is now 50 bytes instead of 40 - It's just magical how all our databases, screens and printouts automatically adjust to reflect the change :-) Most sites I've seen have trouble with controlled data redundancy in multiple databases when they own the data, but I'm sure someone's thought all this through? But let's talk Transactions. The fact that I believe WS-AT to be the greatest piece of over-engineering since the Spruce Goose, doesn't mean to won't fly! (But if VMS engineering really believed in Transactional Web Services why would they have thrown Jim Johnson into the arms of Microsoft?) So now to protect data integrity and preserve the ACID properties of our distributed transactions we must lock all target rows (potentially freezing great swathes of the database) until our service provider can tell us to Commit or Abort? I'm guessing here that no one envisages a user's home PC coordinating one of these transactions :-) Better stick with Business Activity transactions and that whole "Compensation Transaction" thingy? Atomicity's had its day; just another legacy throw-back to be done away with. "But SOAP is still a valid *internal* application deployment paradigm" - Retreating Expensive Consultant So all this is really what HP is stuffing down the throats of its long-suffering VMS client base? After betraying them with Rally, ONC/RPC, DCE/RPC, COM, BridgeWords, DECadmire, Forte, ACMSxp you are now forcing them into yet another 180 degree backflip with WSIT and Axis :-( When all they really wanted was to Webify and integrate their existing Applications and data (or at least provide a decent GUI). Cheers Richard Maher "Main, Kerry" wrote in message news:FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B8684024BFCD4@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net... > -----Original Message----- > From: Dr. Dweeb [mailto:spam@dweeb.net] > Sent: June 22, 2007 9:03 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: And the question was? (Re: Amazing, two new articles on > Computerworld.com actual mention OpenVMS!) > [snip...] > > "The VMS owners have not spent a dime on development tools for VMS for > such > a long time that no "modern" developer takes VMS seriously, and > therefore > there is no interest. It is a career" > > I see nothing to contradict my statement (quoted for effect). > Re: "modern developer" Well, if modern tools means SOA type technologies, then imho, I have to smile at this. While there are no doubt a few areas where these technologies might be useful, the sad reality is that App developers and tools vendors are telling the world "move to SOA or be lost forever", but they have no idea of how really tough this is and/or the huge culture shift in their entire business that this requires. Way to much hype, but "modern" App folks are off saying "we need SOA tools, we need SOA technologies ..we need SOA staff .." Reality check - think about the issues that DCE and common data dictionary initiatives had. Anyone ever experienced how difficult it is for multiple App groups to share stds, processes, and agree on data models? SOA is all this with even more process and culture changes required. And all this at a time when the business is demanding massive cuts in IT spending. Anyway, perhaps a bit OT and not so much related to OpenVMS, but when ever I hear this "modern developer" term, it starts my blood boiling. At some point, someone has to tell the King (industry "modern developer") they are wearing no clothes. Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 08:41:37 +0100 From: "R.A.Omond" Subject: [Change topic] Practical use for an otherwise unused NIC Message-ID: P. Sture wrote: > > [...snip...] > > PS. I have 2 NICs on this system. Can anyone suggest a practical use for > the second one? Teergrube practical enough Paul ? :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 18:52:53 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: [Change topic] Practical use for an otherwise unused NIC Message-ID: In article , "R.A.Omond" wrote: > P. Sture wrote: > > > > [...snip...] > > > > PS. I have 2 NICs on this system. Can anyone suggest a practical use for > > the second one? > > Teergrube practical enough Paul ? :-) Ooer... -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.342 ************************