INFO-VAX Fri, 22 Jun 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 338 Contents: Re: And the question was? (Re: Amazing, two new articles on Computerworld.com a Re: And the question was? (Re: Amazing, two new articles on Computerworld.com ac Re: Application transparent file encryption (supported)? Re: Application transparent file encryption (supported)? Re: Application transparent file encryption (supported)? Re: Application transparent file encryption (supported)? Re: dns woes (ucx5.3, vms 7.3-1) Re: Dynamically loading/unloading libraries (dll/shared libs) Re: Dynamically loading/unloading libraries (dll/shared libs) I can view it! Was: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Re: I can view it! Was: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option I need some cleanings tips and advice. Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Re: Infiniband Re: NFS - what am I doing wrong? Re: NFS - what am I doing wrong? Re: NFS Startup error ? Re: NFS Startup error ? Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 08:30:46 +0200 From: "Dr. Dweeb" Subject: Re: And the question was? (Re: Amazing, two new articles on Computerworld.com a Message-ID: <467b6c9a$0$21924$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk> JF Mezei wrote: > AEF wrote: >> She's just saying the obvious: She wants to hold on to the customers >> by making them happy. > > Sorry, that doesn't work in real life. She should have responded with > something like: > > "We want to provide our customers with first quality service because > it not only ensures customers stay with HP but also attracts new > customers." > > Sorry, but Livermore's statement was an intentional message to the ISV > community. She took that opportunity to insert the message that HP > does not intent to grow the VMS marketplace and migrate customers > from VMS when she didn't need to mention this. This was intentional. > I would suggest that is "the corporate line" and was inserted in order to promote said corporate position. The reasons for this being the corporate line are of course open for conjecture, but here in cov, we have a pretty good handle on how it feels to be at the reciving end of HP and can guess at the HP intent. Dweeb > > Let me ask you this: if you had your own company, and one fo your > employees spoke to the press in such a way that it made you lose > millions in business, wouldn't you quickly go to the media and correct > this error and try to reduce the damage cause by your employee ? (and > possible demote/fire/side-mote that employee. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 07:13:56 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: And the question was? (Re: Amazing, two new articles on Computerworld.com ac Message-ID: <1182521636.688813.158100@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On Jun 21, 8:34 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > AEF wrote: > > She's just saying the obvious: She wants to hold on to the customers > > by making them happy. > > Sorry, that doesn't work in real life. She should have responded with > something like: > > "We want to provide our customers with first quality service because it > not only ensures customers stay with HP but also attracts new customers." If she said that you would claim she was lying. So what? > Sorry, but Livermore's statement was an intentional message to the ISV > community. She took that opportunity to insert the message that HP does > not intent to grow the VMS marketplace Yes, I'll give you that much. If HP is planning on growing the VMS market, you wouldn't get that impression from what she said. (But how then to explain the new video?) > and migrate customers from VMS when she didn't need to mention this. This was intentional. If she had said only "when", you'd be right. She said "if and when". I'm going by what she said. I'm not saying that's HP's true intentions. I'm only interpreting what she said at face value. If you don't take it at face value you can spin it anyway you want, so what's the point? I'm saying you're jumping to conclusions. That doesn't guarantee that you're wrong about HP's intentions with regard to VMS, but I find your argument rather weak. Besides, you been claiming VMS faced imminent death for years as Rob Young has pointed out months (years?) ago. What's different this time? > Let me ask you this: if you had your own company, and one fo your > employees spoke to the press in such a way that it made you lose > millions in business, wouldn't you quickly go to the media and correct > this error and try to reduce the damage cause by your employee ? (and > possible demote/fire/side-mote that employee. Yes, but is this really the case? Consider this: Why is VMS so prominent in the gas-explosion video only two clicks away from www.hp.com? Hey, they supposedly spent over $1M on that! I assume they're expecting to make more than that in profits as a result. AEF ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:36:39 +0200 From: "Gorazd Kikelj" Subject: Re: Application transparent file encryption (supported)? Message-ID: "Rich Jordan" wrote in message news:1182442811.984138.163670@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > I've got a customer who is looking for the ability to encrypt on-disk > data files in an application transparent manner; sort of the way some > peecee utilities can encrypt an entire disk but apps running on the > system are presented with a view of a normal unencrypted filesystem > and file data after authenticating. > > I know about the VMS encryption product, which can provide file > encryption and encrypted backups. However the docs imply that > encrypting an RMS indexed file would produce a file unusable until its > decrypted _outside_ of the application that needs it; the application > could not directly use the encrypted file. That would leave cleartext > data on disk, which is what we need to avoid. > > Is there anything currently available (and supported) for VMS on Alpha > or itanic? For data encryprion inside the file for ex.record, you can use ENCRYPT$ENCRYPT_ONE_RECORD and ENCRYPT$DECRYPT_ONE_RECORD but this is not realy what you are asking for :-( Don't know if Jur is interested to add encryption in LDDRIVER something like $LD CONNECT /ENCRYPT LDA1: dka0:[dir]container.raw and have no idea how dificult could it be. How about $MOUNT/ENCRIPT :-) as enhancement request? Best, Gorazd . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:54:44 +0200 From: Joseph Huber Subject: Re: Application transparent file encryption (supported)? Message-ID: Gorazd Kikelj wrote: > Don't know if Jur is interested to add encryption in LDDRIVER > something like > $LD CONNECT /ENCRYPT LDA1: dka0:[dir]container.raw > and have no idea how dificult could it be. > > How about $MOUNT/ENCRIPT :-) as enhancement request? > Well an encrypting virtual disk driver was already on some VMS SIG tape by Glenn Everhart around 1994 time. Myself I'm not really interested at, but have a look for FDDRV on the usually archives. (My copy is still at http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/vmssig/virt_disks/ ). -- Joseph Huber - http://www.huber-joseph.de ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 05:55:30 -0700 From: IanMiller Subject: Re: Application transparent file encryption (supported)? Message-ID: <1182516930.702983.327030@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> Glenn Everhart's VDDRIVER virtual disk (Freeware) driver could do want you want but who would you pay to support it? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:53:56 +0200 From: Jur van der Burg <"lddriver at digiater dot nl"> Subject: Re: Application transparent file encryption (supported)? Message-ID: <467c0cc3$0$321$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> I already got some questions about adding encryption support to LD, it was already on the wishlist. I might pull it forward as a popular feature. I might add compression on the fly as well, although that may be more complicated. Jur. Gorazd Kikelj wrote: > "Rich Jordan" wrote in message > news:1182442811.984138.163670@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... >> I've got a customer who is looking for the ability to encrypt on-disk >> data files in an application transparent manner; sort of the way some >> peecee utilities can encrypt an entire disk but apps running on the >> system are presented with a view of a normal unencrypted filesystem >> and file data after authenticating. >> >> I know about the VMS encryption product, which can provide file >> encryption and encrypted backups. However the docs imply that >> encrypting an RMS indexed file would produce a file unusable until its >> decrypted _outside_ of the application that needs it; the application >> could not directly use the encrypted file. That would leave cleartext >> data on disk, which is what we need to avoid. >> >> Is there anything currently available (and supported) for VMS on Alpha >> or itanic? > > For data encryprion inside the file for ex.record, > you can use ENCRYPT$ENCRYPT_ONE_RECORD > and ENCRYPT$DECRYPT_ONE_RECORD > > but this is not realy what you are asking for :-( > > Don't know if Jur is interested to add encryption in LDDRIVER > something like > $LD CONNECT /ENCRYPT LDA1: dka0:[dir]container.raw > and have no idea how dificult could it be. > > How about $MOUNT/ENCRIPT :-) as enhancement request? > > Best, Gorazd > > . > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:21:22 +0100 From: Chris Sharman Subject: Re: dns woes (ucx5.3, vms 7.3-1) Message-ID: JF Mezei wrote: > You would want to do the following: > > TCPIP>SET HOST dns.farawayplace.com 12.34.56.78 This one appears to be already done - just needs doing once, no conf or perm? > This creates the ability to locally resolve the host name of your > distant DNS server. > > TCPIP> SET CONF NAME /SERVER=dns.farawayplace.com/DOMAIN=mydomain.com > TCPIP> SET NAME/SERVER=dns.farawayplace.com/SYSTEM/DOMAIN=mydomain.com This was the missing piece, I think. > TCPIP> SET ROUTE/DEFAULT/GATEWAY=78.56.34.12/PERMANENT > TCPIP> SET ROUTE/DEFAULT/GATEWAY=78.56.34.12 This too, maybe. Seem to have two of these now (appearing as PN in the table) - should I remove the other (with set noroute) ? I'll monitor progress and report. So far, my hourly batch job has recorded the mysterious disappearance of a DH route to our DNS server, between 0:44 and 1:44 BST, and its reappearance (as AH) after the batch job to fix it ran at 5am. Many Thanks Chris ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jun 2007 08:05:21 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Dynamically loading/unloading libraries (dll/shared libs) Message-ID: In article , DoubleU writes: > > Well it is that I would like to be able to replace the old library with a > newer version containing the same symbol and replace all references to > the symbol in the unloaded version to references to the newly loaded > library lib$find_image_symbol returns an address, as long as you call that address you're getting that version. If you then do another lib$find_image_symbol on a newer image you'll get a different address and calls to that address will get the new version of the code. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:33:18 -0400 From: "FredK" Subject: Re: Dynamically loading/unloading libraries (dll/shared libs) Message-ID: "Bob Koehler" wrote in message news:0KIwpjMSO3SP@eisner.encompasserve.org... > In article , DoubleU writes: >> Hi all, >> > You might also be able to do something with $DELTVA, if you can > determine the address space the image was loaded into. I'm not > sure that will actually help since VMS doesn't like to unload > process address space. > The real problem is address space fragmentation. I personally like the idea of being able to "reload" a shareable image. That would be rather useful. A load/unload to say P2 space might be an interesting idea. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:33:48 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: I can view it! Was: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Message-ID: In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > > >In article <7b3ef$467b4ead$cef8887a$13922@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: >> >> >>John Santos wrote: >>> Sheesh! Borrow someone else's PC, wear latex gloves, wash thoroughly with an >>> antibacterial soap when done. You're very unlikely to catch anything serious. >> >> >>Sorry, but when someone has strong principles, that person will refuse >>to buckle to the pressure to confirm to non-standard formats. > >Hey, I resemble that remark! > > > >>If everyone were like VAXman (god forbid :-), then the world would have >>never accepted Microsoft's attempts at thrwarting standards and today, >>MPEG would be the standard for video. > >I have be busy update the radio station web site. I know more about NON- >STANDARD in M$IE than ever. I've been reading more and more DOM document- >ation and it seem Firefox (all of the Gecko engine browsers: FF, Mozille, >Netscape), Safari, and Opera all seem happy to conform to the standards. >It is that fester buttocks boil know as M$IE that is nothing but trouble. >I've tried coding for the differences according to what I've read Googling >the web but muck of it still does not work for the hapless listeners beta >testing it on M$IE. > > > >>Consider what is hapening to music. The RIAA/MPAA's insistance in that >>proprietary DRM has resulted in the business aspect of on-line music >>failing it potential. And now EMI has realised this and is slowly >>removing DRM. Had people fully refuse dto buy any DRM protected music, >>the industry would have moved to drm-free music much faster and would >>have accepted the fact that drop in music sales isn't due to the >>internet, but rather due to the fact that they were pushing a type of >>noise that people didn't want to spend money to listen to, period. > >Speaking of the RIAA. There is legislation pending on congress (which, as >we all know if the opposite of progress) to nullify the coercive pact made >between the RIAA and the Library of Congress Copyright Royalty judges. It >is known as H.R.2060/S.1353. If this resolution does not pass, internet >radio will cease. Please ask your representatives to support this bill. >The RIAA is not good for music! > > > >>The minute you stop protesting any use of non-standard technology, or >>terroible HTML coding (such as HP's use of 1 pixel GIF files instead of >>specifying that colour in the html itself), then it means that those who >>vroke the standards got away with it. > >What did that buy them anyway? More wasted space and a higher server load >to serve that 1pixel GIF. I just created a 1 pixel GIF. It totalled 35 >bytes. color:#RRGGBB; is 14 bytes. That is less than half the size and >it doesn't require an additional fetch from the server (assuming it isn't >in a linked style sheet). > > > >>It is the same with war crimes. If you don't prosecute those who suspend >> habeas corpus, hold innocent under-18 kidnapped in a concentration >>camp for years without due legal process, it sets a precedent to allow >>this to happen again and become acceptable practice. > >You have something in mind JF? ;) > > > >> There should be 0 >>tolereance for this. There should be 0 tolerance for companies not >>abiding to standards. > >Like Miniscule-n-flaccid up there in Redmond? Standards!? We dunt need >no steenkin' standards! I can view it! Tell Leo Demurs (who I recognised in the video) that I said he needs to get rid of some of that gray! I had to watch it twice to make certain it was him. I needed a newer release of the Flash plug-in. Went to Adobe and downloaded V9.0.r45. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:44:20 +1000 From: Jim Duff Subject: Re: I can view it! Was: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Message-ID: <467bc425@dnews.tpgi.com.au> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >[snip] > I can view it! Tell Leo Demurs (who I recognised in the video) that I said > he needs to get rid of some of that gray! I had to watch it twice to make > certain it was him. > Gray? Heh. Some blokes have all the luck. Gray hardly shows in blond hair, particularly when it's ponytailed... Jim -- www.eight-cubed.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:01:29 -0000 From: CleaningTips@gmail.com Subject: I need some cleanings tips and advice. Message-ID: <1182528089.321779.61390@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Me and my buddy made a website called www.CleaningTips.com, its basically a free forum and free blog driven web site dedicated as a source people can goto to find out how to clean and remove stains from pretty much anything. Problem is, as of yet, you couldn't find out how to clean anything right now cause the site is new and no one has found it yet. We don't know enough about cleaning and tips and tricks to really fill the site. Were looking to get more useful content so that the website eventually shows up in search results. If anyone here is interested, visit www.CleaningTips.com/forum.html, and if there is anything you could add to the site please feel free to do so. Email me at CleaningTips@gmail.com if you find anything that could improve the site or if something doesn't seem to be working properly. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:11:40 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Message-ID: In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > In article , "P. Sture" > writes: > > > > 'You may have been told that "thou" and "thee" were for familiar use, > > and "you" and "ye" were formal. This was not true originally, but it was > > true for about two centuries, roughly 1450-1650, including Shakespeare's > > time. The previously plural "you" was used in the singular to signify > > politeness and respect, which left "thou" and "thee" for all the other > > singular uses, ranging from endearing intimacy to bitter rudeness. > > Eventually, the politer "you" drove out nearly all uses of "thee" and > > "thou"; they survived mostly in poetry and religion.' > > Except that there's a very good reason to believe that "you" is just > a misreading of "thou" spelt with a thorn. > > Folks not familiar with the letter thorn often mistake it for Y. Thanks. As described at -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 08:00:50 -0500 From: "Craig A. Berry" Subject: Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Message-ID: In article , "P. Sture" wrote: > In article , > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > > > In article , "P. > > Sture" > > writes: > > > > > > 'You may have been told that "thou" and "thee" were for familiar use, > > > and "you" and "ye" were formal. This was not true originally, but it was > > > true for about two centuries, roughly 1450-1650, including Shakespeare's > > > time. The previously plural "you" was used in the singular to signify > > > politeness and respect, which left "thou" and "thee" for all the other > > > singular uses, ranging from endearing intimacy to bitter rudeness. > > > Eventually, the politer "you" drove out nearly all uses of "thee" and > > > "thou"; they survived mostly in poetry and religion.' > > > > Except that there's a very good reason to believe that "you" is just > > a misreading of "thou" spelt with a thorn. That's highly implausible since the separate forms existed before Old English was a written language, and when it was written, the "th" sound in thee/thou was as often as not spelled with an eth (which looks like d with a slash through it) as it was with thorn. > > Folks not familiar with the letter thorn often mistake it for Y. > > Thanks. As described at which says nothing about thorn, much less mistaking it for Y. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 06:16:10 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 06:00:50 -0700, Craig A. Berry wrote: > In article , > "P. Sture" wrote: > >> In article , >> koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: >> >> > In article , "P. >> > Sture" >> > writes: >> > > >> > > 'You may have been told that "thou" and "thee" were for familiar >> use, >> > > and "you" and "ye" were formal. This was not true originally, but >> it was >> > > true for about two centuries, roughly 1450-1650, including >> Shakespeare's >> > > time. The previously plural "you" was used in the singular to >> signify >> > > politeness and respect, which left "thou" and "thee" for all the >> other >> > > singular uses, ranging from endearing intimacy to bitter rudeness. >> > > Eventually, the politer "you" drove out nearly all uses of "thee" >> and >> > > "thou"; they survived mostly in poetry and religion.' >> > >> > Except that there's a very good reason to believe that "you" is >> just >> > a misreading of "thou" spelt with a thorn. > > That's highly implausible since the separate forms existed before Old > English was a written language, and when it was written, the "th" sound > in thee/thou was as often as not spelled with an eth (which looks like > d with a slash through it) as it was with thorn. > > >> > Folks not familiar with the letter thorn often mistake it for Y. >> >> Thanks. As described at > > which says nothing about thorn, much less mistaking it for Y. Read it again > -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:05:48 -0500 From: "Craig A. Berry" Subject: Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Message-ID: In article , "Tom Linden" wrote: > On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 06:00:50 -0700, Craig A. Berry > wrote: > >> Thanks. As described at > > > > > which says nothing about thorn, much less mistaking it for Y. > Read it again The link originally posted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/fi is about typographical ligatures and says nothing about the letter thorn no matter how many times I read it. The link you posted is invalid: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Though perhaps somewhere along the way a unicode character was substituted by its name. The link here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_%28letter%29 does discuss the letter thorn and the fact that its vestigial modern use in the definite article in phrases like "Ye Olde Soda Shoppe" is often mistaken for a form of "you". This has absolutely nothing to do with the historical shift from thee/thou to you for the second person pronoun. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 01:16:56 -0700 From: IanMiller Subject: Re: Infiniband Message-ID: <1182500216.361110.38120@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> in the current roadmap http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/roadmap slide 14 notes "New Cluster Interconnect - New IC Technologies - Starting in 2006/2007, OpenVMS will be working on support for the latest low- latency interconnect technologies, targeted at the Integrity Servers only. Current thinking is that RDMA/iWARP technologies are candidates, although the goal is to align the VMS support to the solution that will be embraced by the other HP O/S environments so a "standard" interconnect model is used. Delivery of this interconnect support is tentatively targeted at late 2007/early 2008." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 08:16:50 +0200 From: "J.Jansen" Subject: Re: NFS - what am I doing wrong? Message-ID: <5771$467b69d3$915e511b$24962@news2.tudelft.nl> David J Dachtera wrote: > Don wrote: >> Jan-Erik, >> >> I believe everything exists: >> >> TCPIP> SHOW SERV >> >> Service Port Proto Process Address >> State >> >> FTP 21 TCP TCPIP$FTP >> 0.0.0.0 Enabled >> MOUNT 10 TCP TCPIP$MOUNTD >> 0.0.0.0 Enabled >> NFS 2049 UDP TCPIP$NFS >> 0.0.0.0 Enabled >> PORTMAPPER 111 TCP,UDP TCPIP$PORTM >> 0.0.0.0 Enabled >> TELNET 23 TCP not defined >> 0.0.0.0 Enabled >> TCPIP> >> TCPIP> SHOW MAP >> Dynamic Filesystem Map >> Pathname Logical File System >> >> /SCORECARD DKA7: >> TCPIP> >> TCPIP> SHOW EXPORT >> >> File System Host name >> >> /SCORECARD/USER * >> TCPIP> >> TCPIP> MOUNT DNFS0: /PATH="/SCORECARD/USER"/HOST=127.0.0.1 >> %TCPIP$DNFSMOUNT-E-MOUNTFAIL, error mounting _DNFS20:[000000] >> -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHOBJ, network object is unknown at remote node >> TCPIP> > > O.K. Dumb question time: is 2049 the correct port number for NFS? > 2049 is the default port for the NFS, but it also uses some other ports, some (by default) dynamically assigned to a "random" port. This sometimes gives problems with firewalls. I have seen the above message when a "wrong" configured firewall was in place. The message also appears if the system on which the physical device resides does not give you the rights to mount the share. Jouk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 05:50:34 -0700 From: Don Subject: Re: NFS - what am I doing wrong? Message-ID: <1182516634.917954.321500@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com> Thanks to all who have answered so far, both in group and by e-mail. I don't seem to be getting anywhere fast. Major symptoms as I see them: - The mount service is enabled and started, but there aren't any processes with mount in the name (should there be?). The NFS client is enabled and started. - $TCPIP Show Device_Socket has TCP port 10 labelled as MOUNT service. This device belongs to process INETACP - When I do the mount, I get "-SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHOBJ". The operator log (REPLY/ENABLE) doesn't log any messages during the mount. The TCPTRACE shows only a message to Portmapper port 110 and a response from Portmapper. No other messages. I am trying the mount locally so that I don't yet need to deal with the (mis-)configuration of the companion system. I have tried the mount from a PC using nfsAxe without any more luck. Again, the help is really appreciated. Don ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:00:48 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: NFS Startup error ? Message-ID: In article <1c0e6$467a50af$cef8887a$26108@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei wrote: > VMS 8.3 Alpha. TCPIP Services 5.6 > > After an enable service NFS : > > (many opcom messages about related things) > > %%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 21-JUN-2007 06:02:52.88 %%%%%%%%%%% > Message from user INTERnet on CHAIN > INTERnet ACP Activate NFS Server > > $ > %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 21-JUN-2007 06:02:52.88 %%%%%%%%%%% > Message from user INTERnet on CHAIN > INTERnet ACP NOLISTEN Process creation success: Service - NFS > > $ > %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 21-JUN-2007 06:02:53.74 %%%%%%%%%%% > Message from user NFS Server on CHAIN > Process 00100073 configured as an NFS server > > $ > %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 21-JUN-2007 06:02:53.74 %%%%%%%%%%% > Message from user TCPIP$NFS on CHAIN > NFS memory (000B4000) at system virtual FFFFFFFF7DDA0000, user virtual > 000000000 > 03EE000 > > > There is TCPIP$NFS_x process still running. The opcom message appears > before the MAC even tries to connect. Is this some error/warning ? Or > just a normal happening ? > Does this thread at look like the same problem? Sorry, have to go out now - I'll look at it more closely later on. > > Mr Google made a vague reference to GH_EXEC_DATA being too low. (mine is > at the default 512 pages). Is this something that needs to be changed > (with reboot required) ? Something to try here... > Or is it a waste of time because NFS wonm't work anyways because MAC OS > (10.4.9) is incompatible with the software on VMS ? Going back to OS X 10.3, several of us managed to see a VMS NFS disk from the CLI (and I even got it auto-mounting), but not joy from within Finder (could see it with a No Entry sign). > I also tried to connect to an FTP file system from the MAC, and while > some FTP connection appears to be made, it is quickly killed. Anyone had > any success with that ? No problem getting that to work, although when trying to write a large backup saveset from VMS, it wraps - I suspect at the 4GB mark, but haven't nailed that down yet. To export an OS X directory via NFS: http://mactechnotes.blogspot.com/2005/09/mac-os-x-as-nfs-server.html then on the VMS side, something like: $TCPIP mount dnfs1:[downloads] /host="mac" - /path="/Users/jf/Downloads"/system PS OS X 10.4.10 is now available via the Software Update facility. -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jun 2007 08:02:27 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: NFS Startup error ? Message-ID: In article <467a8ac5@mvb.saic.com>, Mark Berryman writes: > > I serve NFS mount points to my Macs using Multinet NFS server and do not > have to do anything special. I simply tell folks to use "Connect to > server" in the Finder pull-down menu and enter: nfs://host/mountpoint > Which versions of Multinet and OS X? Mine are probably out of date. > > What's wrong with one that comes with OS X? I use it as both server and > client between Mac OS X and VMS. Where? Perhaps 10.4 or later? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:22:23 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Message-ID: In article <7b3ef$467b4ead$cef8887a$13922@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: > > >John Santos wrote: >> Sheesh! Borrow someone else's PC, wear latex gloves, wash thoroughly with an >> antibacterial soap when done. You're very unlikely to catch anything serious. > > >Sorry, but when someone has strong principles, that person will refuse >to buckle to the pressure to confirm to non-standard formats. Hey, I resemble that remark! >If everyone were like VAXman (god forbid :-), then the world would have >never accepted Microsoft's attempts at thrwarting standards and today, >MPEG would be the standard for video. I have be busy update the radio station web site. I know more about NON- STANDARD in M$IE than ever. I've been reading more and more DOM document- ation and it seem Firefox (all of the Gecko engine browsers: FF, Mozille, Netscape), Safari, and Opera all seem happy to conform to the standards. It is that fester buttocks boil know as M$IE that is nothing but trouble. I've tried coding for the differences according to what I've read Googling the web but muck of it still does not work for the hapless listeners beta testing it on M$IE. >Consider what is hapening to music. The RIAA/MPAA's insistance in that >proprietary DRM has resulted in the business aspect of on-line music >failing it potential. And now EMI has realised this and is slowly >removing DRM. Had people fully refuse dto buy any DRM protected music, >the industry would have moved to drm-free music much faster and would >have accepted the fact that drop in music sales isn't due to the >internet, but rather due to the fact that they were pushing a type of >noise that people didn't want to spend money to listen to, period. Speaking of the RIAA. There is legislation pending on congress (which, as we all know if the opposite of progress) to nullify the coercive pact made between the RIAA and the Library of Congress Copyright Royalty judges. It is known as H.R.2060/S.1353. If this resolution does not pass, internet radio will cease. Please ask your representatives to support this bill. The RIAA is not good for music! >The minute you stop protesting any use of non-standard technology, or >terroible HTML coding (such as HP's use of 1 pixel GIF files instead of >specifying that colour in the html itself), then it means that those who >vroke the standards got away with it. What did that buy them anyway? More wasted space and a higher server load to serve that 1pixel GIF. I just created a 1 pixel GIF. It totalled 35 bytes. color:#RRGGBB; is 14 bytes. That is less than half the size and it doesn't require an additional fetch from the server (assuming it isn't in a linked style sheet). >It is the same with war crimes. If you don't prosecute those who suspend > habeas corpus, hold innocent under-18 kidnapped in a concentration >camp for years without due legal process, it sets a precedent to allow >this to happen again and become acceptable practice. You have something in mind JF? ;) > There should be 0 >tolereance for this. There should be 0 tolerance for companies not >abiding to standards. Like Miniscule-n-flaccid up there in Redmond? Standards!? We dunt need no steenkin' standards! -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jun 2007 07:43:01 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Message-ID: In article <8cf1c$467afad0$cef8887a$590@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: > C.W.Holeman II wrote: >> In fact VMS is even listed with the other HP OSes: >> >> From http://www.hp.com/go/disasterproof: > [...] > Now, if HP mentions this URL in a real press release sent out the news > wires, then it is OK. But otherwise, unless there is a link from the HP > main pages, people won't stumble onto it. HP obviously put some time, effort, and money into this little production. They should plaster the clip all over the airwaves, including the next Super Bowl. But at least they are doing something. DEC has the oportunity after 9/11 when customers couldn't even tell systems they accessed were clusters partially housed in the World Trade Center. But instead DEC marketing took the occaision to show off thier stealth capability. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jun 2007 07:53:26 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Message-ID: In article <3lFei.156$hx5.85@newsfe12.lga>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > > Fish? > > Does somebody have a non-M$ version that I can watch? > From Firefox the clip plays in "Macromedia Flash Player", which is available for OS X (PPC or Intel), and is a product of Adobe Macromedia. For both Windows and OS X version 9,0,45,0 is listed as current. But if all else fails, let your wife bring it up for you on her PC (if you haven't succeeded in getting her rid of it). It's worth that much MS exposure to see the clip. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jun 2007 07:59:25 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Message-ID: In article , "P. Sture" writes: > > I'm afraid I didn't get the relevance of the fish. Was the one called > Sparky (getting blown out of the water) a reference to Sparc? Sparky, Blaze, and Little Smokey? Don't read too deep. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:12:19 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Message-ID: In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > > >In article <3lFei.156$hx5.85@newsfe12.lga>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >> >> Fish? >> >> Does somebody have a non-M$ version that I can watch? >> > > From Firefox the clip plays in "Macromedia Flash Player", which is > available for OS X (PPC or Intel), and is a product of Adobe > Macromedia. > > For both Windows and OS X version 9,0,45,0 is listed as current. > > But if all else fails, let your wife bring it up for you on her PC > (if you haven't succeeded in getting her rid of it). It's worth > that much MS exposure to see the clip. My wife uses a 20" iMac which is located on the desk in the bedroom. The only PeeCee she had was an IBM Think Pad (what a piece of shite too) from work. Since she's been on disability for the past year, the laptop has been with her employer. She's very happy with that arrangement and she does NOT miss Weendoze! -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jun 2007 08:16:31 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Message-ID: In article , JF Mezei writes: > > How have people dealt with water sprinklers in computer rooms ? By obeying applicable law. In one case we had a sprinkler in a federal government building which was required by local code. The federal government does not hold itself answerable to local government and had the water turned off for the computer rooms, but left it on for the offices. (There are cases where the federal government will volunteer to obey local code, which is how the sprinklers got there in the first place.) The federal government never aproved Halon for any facility I've worked in. For other customers we left the water enabled and hoped we'd never have a fire. In most cases damage done by water on the computer is much less than damage done by letting the building burn down. We've never had more than one fire supression system in a single building. Code probably does not require more than one. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 06:22:52 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Message-ID: <1182518572.248151.273620@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On Jun 21, 9:51 pm, "P. Sture" wrote: > In article , > > "FredK" wrote: > > "Cydrome Leader" wrote in message > >news:f5d12c$6hv$1@reader2.panix.com... > > > P. Sture wrote: > > > Oh come on you guys. For once be thrilled. HP shows off VMS. There were > > VMS guys there (recognize them?). OpenVMS was not only mentioned first, it > > was back online first, it wasn't an "Oh by the way". It wasn't a SAN > > failover it was a data center failover. It was cool. > > > Sheesh. > > Well, I did say "This was obviously theatre for the masses". > > I really do think that hp did a great job on this, and hope it gets a > wide audience. Ensuring that it gets in front of a few CEO/CIO types > would be an excellent move. Someone else mentioned the length of it, but > is it really too long to show in a prime business TV slot aimed at top > executives? > > -- > Paul Sture This could easily be edited down to 60 seconds (skip the "bulletproof" part for starters). Getting it down to 30 seconds might be tough, but perhaps still doable. Someone mentioned the Super Bowl for this. Great idea! AEF AEF ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:56:50 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Message-ID: <137nl92mfjv299d@news.supernews.com> Does anyone know where those destroyed systems are being stored. Anyone think they are worth buying for parts? ;0) DT "AEF" wrote in message news:1182477233.115255.236000@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 21, 6:51 pm, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 06:24:59PM -0400, JF Mezei wrote: >> > C.W.Holeman II wrote: >> > >In fact VMS is even listed with the other HP OSes: >> >> > > Fromhttp://www.hp.com/go/disasterproof: >> >> > Such links are not very useful. Unless you know it, you won't stumble >> > onto it. >> >> > Now, if HP mentions this URL in a real press release sent out the news >> > wires, then it is OK. But otherwise, unless there is a link from the HP >> > main pages, people won't stumble onto it. >> >> it is only 2 clicks from the main page: >> hp.com => >> (bottom left) New server, storage, software and services for the >> enterprise => >> (right column, under HP StorageWorks Conference) Watch the video >> >> I guess if you are interested in what HP have to offer for `enterprise >> business' you are likely to stumble onto it. > > This is a big improvement! Hurray!!! > >> I liked the video. My wife commented that it is a typical male thing, >> a woman would just swith the power off. Seriously though, is exploding >> any more damaging to availability than a power cut? > > Yes. You'll be down for far longer with a gas explosion than a power > outage. As soon as the power returns, you can bring everything back > up. You still have all your equipment and all your data on disk. With > a gas explosion your data center and your data are toast. Imagine how > long it would take to procure all new equipment, set it all up, and > restore your data from off-site storage! > > Which would you rather happen to your home? A temporary blackout, or > kaboom!!! > > OK, maybe it wouldn't matter for the results of this test, and I'd > rather not have seen $1M+ of equipment blown up, but it shows a worst > case scenario and has a lot more impact on the viewer who will be much > more likely to remember it! > > AEF > >> >> -- >> Anton Shterenlikht >> Room 2.6, Queen's Building >> Mech Eng Dept >> Bristol University >> University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK >> Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 >> Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:34:41 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Message-ID: <56Rei.11$NW3.3@newsfe12.lga> In article <137nl92mfjv299d@news.supernews.com>, "David Turner, Island Computers" writes: > > >Does anyone know where those destroyed systems are being stored. I would have destroyed set it up with HP stuff and kept the Alpha alive! -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:19:00 -0700 From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Message-ID: <1182529140.660965.96660@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On Jun 21, 11:30 pm, John Santos wrote: > johnhreinha...@yahoo.com wrote: > > On Jun 20, 9:37 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > > >>I too am setting up a new mac with OS-X and it is quite the learning > >>curve and headaches since Apple decided to widthdraw support for > >>Appletalk and I cannot copy files from my 8.6 system to the new system, > >>and the user interface between 8.6 and 10.x is akin to decwindows and > >>CDE. One was very simple and easily customisable to fit your > >>organisational needs, the other is cute, but a lot harder to customise > >>and much less natural to use. > > > Yeah. There have been a LOT of complaints about that. I'll even > > agree with some of them. The new "Finder" in OS X 10.5 is supposed to > > fix at least some of these problems. Though I finally upgraded from > > an OS 9 system to OS X 10.4 last year without too much problem. Now > > all I have left in the Windows area is my wife's PC (I'm working on > > that) and a Windows 2000 server that I share files on and have to keep > > because its required to administer my HP EVA5000 SAN storage > > controllers. > > >>Now, having clicked on the wrong button, I have set it to use my mouse's > >>button as the main button... but my mouse has only one button and it has > >>rendered the system useless. > > > How new is this "new" Mac? Unless its a Mac Mini (which you have to > > provide your own keyboard and mouse) you should have at least a 2- > > button mouse. Apple hasn't packaged a 1-button mouse with a Mac in > > years now. I didn't even know you could get a 1-button USB mouse (it > > has to be a USB mouse since Apple dropped the ADB interface several > > generations of systems ago. None of the ADB Mac are even supported > > for OS X anymore as far as I know). > > Does the touchpad on my PowerBook count as a 1-button mouse? > Well, I was thinking external mice... Some touchpads have separate areas which work as scroll wheels, etc. I've never had a Mac laptop so I can't say much about them. John H. Reinhardt. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:29:34 -0700 From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Message-ID: <1182529774.508836.87900@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Jun 21, 5:50 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > johnhreinha...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > How new is this "new" Mac? Unless its a Mac Mini (which you have to > > provide your own keyboard and mouse) you should have at least a 2- > > button mouse. Apple hasn't packaged a 1-button mouse with a Mac in > > years now. > > This is a used mac from ebay. It has both USB and ADB. This will allow > me to use my old ADB keyboard with french layout on it. (And I have to > figure out how to convert/transfer my "Classic" keyboard layout that > matches an LK201 layout over to OS-X). > So it's a used-new Mac. What model? Even my 2001 G4 Digital Audio model doesn't have ADB on it. I went from a 1997 SuperMac S900 (clone) to the G4 at the beginning of 2006. I got it on Ebay for a fairly reasonable $364 plus shipping, but then I put a dual 1.6GHz G4 processor board into it (an upgrade to the 733MHz single board) and a 160Gb SATA disk. > And Apple has has one button mice for some time even with USB. Those > tiny hocket puck mice for Imacs are 1 button mice. > I guess it *has* only been a year or so that Apple started shipping the SuperMouse with all of it's desktops (except the Mini). > Having gotten so used to the 3 button mouse with scroll wheel support on > VMS, it is really really strange to return to the 1 button mouse on the > mac. Steve Jobs had argued so much that one button mouse was the way to > go that I am susprised that he would have relented to support > multibutton mouse. > > In terms of the problem I had, there was no way out. There are > keystrokes to generate "right click". Eg; ALT-[LEFT MOUSE] generates a > [RIGHT MOUSE]. But if your mouse only generates a [RIGHT MOUSE] there > are no keystrokes to associate with [RIGHT MOUSE] to generate a [LEFT MOUSE] > > I SSHed into my mac from VMS, and used "mv" to rename my preferences > folder and rebooted. Had to rebuild all my preferences. (I couldn't tell > in which file that preference was stored). > > > None of the ADB Mac are even supported > > > for OS X anymore as far as I know). > > Yep, support for ADB is still there. That was one of the reasons I chose > those older macs to make the replacement of the lightning-damaged mac > easier. I know ADB support is still in the OS, but most of the systems which had only ADB (and no built in USB) have been slowly de-supported as the versions of OS X have been released. I forgot about the earlier iMacs though. Most of them are still supported although running OS X 10.4 on a 333MHz G3 is somewhat painful to imagine. John H. Reinhardt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 18:15:58 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Message-ID: In article <56Rei.11$NW3.3@newsfe12.lga>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <137nl92mfjv299d@news.supernews.com>, "David Turner, Island > Computers" writes: > > > > > >Does anyone know where those destroyed systems are being stored. > > I would have destroyed set it up with HP stuff and kept the Alpha > alive! My idea would have been to put some PCs running CHARON-VAX in an empty Alpha cab, and do a swap when nobody was looking. Any chance that they'll do a repeat? A location in Central Europe sounds ideal to me... :-) -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jun 2007 12:13:12 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Message-ID: In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > > The only PeeCee she had was an IBM Think Pad (what a piece of shite too) > from work. Since she's been on disability for the past year, the laptop > has been with her employer. She's very happy with that arrangement and > she does NOT miss Weendoze! Sorry to hear about the disability, but the lack of Windows in the home sounds good. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:42:42 -0400 From: "FredK" Subject: Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Message-ID: wrote in message news:XhEei.3037$6S.2763@newsfe12.lga... > In article , "FredK" > writes: > HP Integrity rx2600... out to lunch and not coming back > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker > VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > I haven't experienced any hardware failures with the Integrity servers I have. My original rx2600 is still steaming away when needed. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.338 ************************