INFO-VAX Wed, 23 May 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 281 Contents: Re: New Zealnders now laughing at global warming Re: New Zealnders now laughing at global warming Re: Noahs ark found! Re: Noahs ark found! Re: Noahs ark found! Re: problems with stack dump on itanium question on routers Re: question on routers Re: question on routers Re: question on routers Re: question on routers Re: question on routers Rename Volume Labels Re: Rename Volume Labels Re: Rename Volume Labels Re: Replacing LAT terminal servers Re: Replacing LAT terminal servers Re: Replacing LAT terminal servers Re: Replacing LAT terminal servers TCPIP glitch wih aliases Re: TCPIP programming (sockaddr_in question) Re: World's Fastest Processor? For Now, Anyway Re: World's Fastest Processor? For Now, Anyway Re: World's Fastest Processor? For Now, Anyway Re: World's Fastest Processor? For Now, Anyway Re: World's Fastest Processor? For Now, Anyway Re: World's Fastest Processor? For Now, Anyway Re: World's Fastest Processor? For Now, Anyway Re: World's Fastest Processor? For Now, Anyway RE: World's Fastest Processor? For Now, Anyway ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 21:31:03 -0400 From: Bill Todd Subject: Re: New Zealnders now laughing at global warming Message-ID: <1MmdnTEHpqzFBM7bnZ2dnUVZ_veinZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com> roger tucker wrote: > This discussion has very little to do with OpenVMS. > Please use other appropriate forums. > For a really good article that just came out today and a place to > discuss this see: > http://europe.theoildrum.com/node/2559 Good read, but the thesis (qualified though it was, this is largely what comes across) that AGW will take care of itself is flawed. First, it simply *assumes* that we will voluntarily reduce coal usage during the period when other fossil fuel is becoming increasingly expensive and scarce - behavior decidedly atypical in our current political climate, which takes the view that fossil fuel is there to be exploited, and let the future take care of itself. If (as seems far more likely unless our attitudes change significantly) coal is increasingly used to offset decreasing availability of other fossil fuels, we're still headed to CO2 concentrations approaching 600 ppm by 2100 (not that even 450 ppm is all that comfortable a number, given the uncertainties about exactly how much climate change and possible positive feedback it may cause). Second, it fails to discuss the question of whether the process of migrating to different energy sources (or, in a grimmer scenario, simply are forced by scarcity into far lower energy use overall) may affect the planet's ability to moderate CO2 build-up (e.g., by deforestation). So a multi-pronged approach wherein we aggressively seek to reduce *all* fossil fuel dependency (including oil use) is still required - not only to help curb CO2 build-up, but to make the inevitable adjustments easier (and more gradual) and leave more of these scarce resources available to future generations for uses that are harder to find substitutes for. Numbers that indicate that potential AGW due solely to oil and natural gas usage is limited, while interesting in the abstract and significant from the viewpoint of usage policy, don't tell the whole story (not even the whole AGW story). - bill ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 2007 20:20:12 -0700 From: Neil Rieck Subject: Re: New Zealnders now laughing at global warming Message-ID: <1179890412.224639.196720@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On May 20, 4:09 pm, JF Mezei wrote: [...snip...] > > Greenland's ice cap alone is capable of significant ocean level rise on > the planet. Remember that it is only water added to the top of oceans, > it has no relation to the water volume below current sea level (current > volume of water in oceans). > While I believe in man-made global warming, I disagree with this statement. I think it was Carl Sagan who said that if the earth was the size of a basket ball then our atmosphere would be no thicker than a layer of paint on that ball. Taken from this perspective we notice that Greenland's ice doesn't rise too far from the ocean's surface. This means the volume is low and, for the purpose of this discussion, we can get away with comparing the surface are of Greenland to the surface area of all the oceans; the resulting fraction is quite small. Don't take my conclusion the wrong way. Global warming is real and mankind must act now. BTW, the Antartic ice does rise quite a bit higher than Greenland although still not as high as any mountain made from rock. p.s. Today the BBC put a reporter on that 10 mile long 3 mile wide piece of ice that just broke away from Greenland. This thing is huge and the scientists being interviewed stated that we will all be screwed if this thing drifts into the oil rigs just off the coast of New Foundland. Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 2007 17:33:37 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: Noahs ark found! Message-ID: <1179880417.268547.226000@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On May 21, 11:56 am, "FredK" wrote: > "Andrew" wrote in message > > news:1179760297.803505.65120@36g2000prm.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On 30 Apr, 15:25, Dirk Munk wrote: > >> gen...@marblecliff.com wrote: > >> > the same researcher who helped bring about the discovery > >> > of Mount Sinai now believes he has found Noahs ark on a > >> > mountain in Iran ... scroll to the bottom and look at the > >> > pictures and video ... > > >> >http://www.arkfever.com/ > > >> This time Boob is right. What you see on the pictures is the stern of > >> the ark. On it they found the inscription "Noahs Ark - Monrovia" in > >> Hebrew. That proofs Boob is not mistaken this time. > > > Thats what you get if you register your ark under a flag of > > convenience, wildly off course and stuck up a mountain with no > > navigable water in site. > > That was the best thing ever written in this thread. > > Sigh. Why do people insist on discussing politics and religion in groups > like this? > > - I have not once seen someones mind changed. There could be someone sitting on the fence whose mind is changed and doesn't post to say so. > > - At best you get those who agree with you agreeing. I certainly hope so! > > - At worst, you will be exposed as an idiot. This is always a risk!!! 8-D > > There *are* forums devoted to almost anything. You can find lots of people > who agree with you, without risking ridicule from people you may need to > interact with professionally. But newsgroups for topics of great general interest are often filled with severely obnoxious posters. AEF ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 19:50:11 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: Noahs ark found! Message-ID: <07052219501124_202002DA@antinode.org> From: AEF > But newsgroups for topics of great general interest are often filled > with severely obnoxious posters. Sadly, this is hardly a distinguishing characteristic. One might ask why you waste space here to complain about junk elsewhere, instead of striving to reduce junk here (which can often be done simply by remaining silent). But I won't. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 21:02:50 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Noahs ark found! Message-ID: <465392BA.2040607@comcast.net> AEF wrote: > On May 21, 11:56 am, "FredK" wrote: > >>"Andrew" wrote in message >> >>news:1179760297.803505.65120@36g2000prm.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> >>>On 30 Apr, 15:25, Dirk Munk wrote: >>> >>>>gen...@marblecliff.com wrote: >>>> >>>>>the same researcher who helped bring about the discovery >>>>>of Mount Sinai now believes he has found Noahs ark on a > > > But newsgroups for topics of great general interest are often filled > with severely obnoxious posters. > > AEF > The same could be said of a newsgroup devoted an unmarketed O/S. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:07:52 -0400 From: "Ed Vogel" Subject: Re: problems with stack dump on itanium Message-ID: "John Vottero" wrote in message news:8mD4i.6785$RX.3448@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net... > Sorry but, that doesn't make sense to me. Did you mean to write "debug > and traceback line numbers will NOW be..."? > Yes.. I should have said "now"...thanks for finding the John. I'm very sorry for the confusion I caused. Ed ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 2007 13:29:06 -0700 From: rogv24@yahoo.com Subject: question on routers Message-ID: <1179865746.442383.261640@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> If I have two nodes on a network: "NODE A" with IP address 10.1.1.1 and "NODE B" with IP address 10.2.1.1. Is a router required to communicate between the two nodes? thanks RV ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 20:41:16 GMT From: Rob Brown Subject: Re: question on routers Message-ID: On Tue, 22 May 2007 rogv24@yahoo.com wrote: > If I have two nodes on a network: "NODE A" with IP address 10.1.1.1 > and "NODE B" with IP address 10.2.1.1. Is a router required to > communicate between the two nodes? It depends on your subnet mask. If your subnet mask has 14 or fewer <1>s (for example 255.0.0.0), then you will not need a router. If it has more than 14 <1>s (for example 255.255.0.0), then you will. (At least that is the way *I* think that it works.) -- Rob Brown b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m G. Michaels Consulting Ltd. (780)438-9343 (voice) Edmonton (780)437-3367 (FAX) http://gmcl.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 15:47:24 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: question on routers Message-ID: <07052215472441_202002DA@antinode.org> From: rogv24@yahoo.com > If I have two nodes on a network: "NODE A" with IP address 10.1.1.1 > and "NODE B" with IP address 10.2.1.1. Is a router required to > communicate between the two nodes? It depends on whether they're on the same subnetwork. What's the netmask? With 255.0.0.0, all 10.x.y.z addresses are on the same subnet, so they should find each other with no trouble. With, say, 255.255.0.0, 10.1.u.v and 10.2.y.z will be on different subnets, so they won't. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 17:06:14 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: question on routers Message-ID: rogv24@yahoo.com wrote: > If I have two nodes on a network: "NODE A" with IP address 10.1.1.1 > and "NODE B" with IP address 10.2.1.1. Is a router required to > communicate between the two nodes? IF (the two nodes are on the same logical ethernet ) AND IF (the two nodes are on the same IP subnet) THEN (no router is needed) if you do $ifconfig -a on each node, you will see a netmask. > $ tcpip show int > Packets > Interface IP_Addr Network mask Receive Send MTU > > LO0 127.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 541 541 4096 > PP0 ? 0 0 1496 > WE0 10.0.0.11 255.255.0.0 982 627 1500 In this example, WE0's subnet is 16 bits long ( 255.255.0.0 = 11111111 11111111 00000000 00000000 ) So, to find out if 10.0.0.11 and 10.0.2.27 are in the same subnet: 10.0.0.11 AND 255.255.0.0 = 10.0.0.0 10.0.2.27 AND 255.255.0.0 = 10.0.0.0 Both are equal, so they are in the same subnet. However: 10.1.0.11 AND 255.255.0.0 = 10.1.0.0 and this is not part of the same subnet. In your case, if you have a 10.1.*.* and 10.2.*.* , your netmask must match exactly the first byte, and must match at most the first 6 bits of the second byte. So the following netmasks would allow 10.1.*.* and 10.2.*.* to coexist i the same subnet: 255.0.0.0 255.128.0.0 255.192.0.0 255.224.0.0 255.240.0.0 244.248.0.0 244.252.0.0 128 is 10000000 252 is 11111100 In the case of 252, the last 2 bits (the least significant ones) are not checked, so the ip of 1 (00000001) and 2 (00000010) are still equal when you only look at the first 6 bits. of that byte. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 17:52:42 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: question on routers Message-ID: <4653662A.8070209@comcast.net> rogv24@yahoo.com wrote: > If I have two nodes on a network: "NODE A" with IP address 10.1.1.1 > and "NODE B" with IP address 10.2.1.1. Is a router required to > communicate between the two nodes? > thanks RV > If your netmask is 255.0.0.0, you don't need a router as everybody will agree that they are on the same network. If the netmask is something other than 255.0.0.0 then you may have two or more separate networks and if so, you will need a router. ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 2007 19:58:51 -0700 From: rogv24@yahoo.com Subject: Re: question on routers Message-ID: <1179889131.057094.134410@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On May 22, 5:52 pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > rog...@yahoo.com wrote: > > If I have two nodes on a network: "NODE A" with IP address 10.1.1.1 > > and "NODE B" with IP address 10.2.1.1. Is a router required to > > communicate between the two nodes? > > thanks RV > > If your netmask is 255.0.0.0, you don't need a router as everybody will > agree that they are on the same network. > > If the netmask is something other than 255.0.0.0 then you may have two > or more separate networks and if so, you will need a router. Thank you all for your input ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:37:39 -0500 From: "Cross Michael C Mr CIV USAF 53 CSS/SCN" Subject: Rename Volume Labels Message-ID: <138449ECC94125418289A81B26BA97B858C6B4@VFEGMLEG01.Enterprise.afmc.ds.af.mil> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C79C7E.BF364D05 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How easy is it to rename volume labels? What is the command syntax to do it? =20 Mike Cross 850-883-7309 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C79C7E.BF364D05 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C79C7E.BF364D05-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:26:44 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Rename Volume Labels Message-ID: <2860d$4653360c$cef8887a$1536@TEKSAVVY.COM> Cross Michael C Mr CIV USAF 53 CSS/SCN wrote: > How easy is it to rename volume labels? What is the command syntax to > do it? Make sure all files on that disk are closed. Aka SHOW DEV/FILES doesn't show any user files opened or installed, do this for every node in the cluster. $DISMOUNT/CLUSTER DKA200: $MOUNT DKA200: theoldlabel $temp_disk $SET VOLUME DKA200:/LABEL=mynewlabel $DISMOUNT DKA200: $MOUNT/CLUSTER/SYSTEM DKA200: mynewlabel $mylogical This is necessary because many logicals and locks are based on the volume label at the time the disk is mounted. If you do the SET VOLUME on a running disk, the old logical remain defined. When you mount the disk privately, you can change the label without fearing system-wide conflicts. (eg: if you want to swap labels from disk1 to disk2 and vice versa, you can mount disk1 privately and give it disk2's label while disk2 is still mounted/system/cluster. Then once you dismount disk2, you can mount disk1 systemwide. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:27:56 -0400 From: "Ken Robinson" Subject: Re: Rename Volume Labels Message-ID: <7dd80f60705221127p12ffe540o4c00b97ad2a30be1@mail.gmail.com> On 5/22/07, Cross Michael C Mr CIV USAF 53 CSS/SCN wrote: > How easy is it to rename volume labels? What is the command syntax to do > it? See $ help set volume /label Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:15:30 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Replacing LAT terminal servers Message-ID: <76038$4653336a$cef8887a$32145@TEKSAVVY.COM> Chris Sharman wrote: > We've got a bunch of terminal servers > > Maintenance & configuration is becoming a pain. In reality, would changing to TCPIP/Telnet really simplify the above ? Is the management problem due to having different brands/models of terminal servers ? If so, instead of replacing the whole fleet of terminal servers, why don't you choose the better model that you have now and replace only those that are different ? You would end up with a fleet of terminal servers that are all the same and configured in the same way. This would remove the need to change your application. And it would continue to make it harder to replace VMS at that shop since your servers and applications would continue to be LAT based :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 19:11:21 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Replacing LAT terminal servers Message-ID: JF Mezei wrote: > Chris Sharman wrote: >> We've got a bunch of terminal servers >> >> Maintenance & configuration is becoming a pain. > > In reality, would changing to TCPIP/Telnet really simplify the above ? > Actualy, it more or less boils down to simply open an TNAnnnn device instead of an LTAnnnn device from the application. The devices themselfs are defined in the LAT and Telnet startup files, and that is not part of the application code. Now, it did soundas you've made it a bit harder then needed by doing specific LAT API calls from the applications, right? Why not just define LAT (or telnet) ports and simply "open" them "as usual" from the applications? The rest of the code (doing the I/O to the opened port) should not need to change much at all. One thing that *does* change is the added administration of IP-addresses, of course... :-) All other things equal, *I* think a network of LAT based term-servers are easier to manage. Now telnet based server can be routed over larger networks, which sometimes is a big win. I help manage a system using 100's of mixed LAT and TNA ports, using > 100 serial devices like printers, barcode readers and other serial devices like presentation screens. No specific difference between the LAT and TNA ports. The longest distans barcode reader using a TNA port is about 700 Km away on that system. Using some kind of VPN link over the Internet, I think... Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 2007 19:00:20 -0700 From: Doug Phillips Subject: Re: Replacing LAT terminal servers Message-ID: <1179885620.578564.313240@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On May 22, 2:11 pm, Jan-Erik S=F6derholm wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: > > Chris Sharman wrote: > >> We've got a bunch of terminal servers > > >> Maintenance & configuration is becoming a pain. > > > In reality, would changing to TCPIP/Telnet really simplify the above ? > > Actualy, it more or less boils down to simply open an TNAnnnn device > instead of an LTAnnnn device from the application. The devices > themselfs are defined in the LAT and Telnet startup files, and > that is not part of the application code. > And, if the application uses logicals (as it should) it's even easier. The types/models of BC readers would be nice to know. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 03:08:30 GMT From: "John E. Malmberg" Subject: Re: Replacing LAT terminal servers Message-ID: Chris Sharman wrote: > [I'm back - consulting for a bit] > > We've got a bunch of terminal servers (various brands) running LAT, > mainly for a shop floor application running some 20-50 barcode scanners > (seasonal variation). > > Maintenance & configuration is becoming a pain. Both the Dec Terminal Servers and the Lantronix can be managed through Terminal Server Manager. I submitted updated scripts to the freeware CDs back about the year 2000. This include scripts that can be used to regularly back up the current configurations of all DecServers. It is real easy to adapt those DCL scripts for models that they do not understand. > What solution are people using these days? > > Our app uses the LAT specific calls as documented in the I/O Ref manual > to initiate dialogue with each scanner in turn. > > I'm guessing it wouldn't be too hard to change to telnet instead, or > similar? > > What would be the preferred hardware and software to multiplex 50 > scanners to a vms application? As I have posted a few times before, the major difference is that with LAT, when you get a network disconnection, the application will see a DATA-SET Hangup. With a TCP/IP raw socket connected by reverse Telnet, there is no notification. And were I was, we found that we had to delete the reverse Telnet port after a network event, and then recreate it before we could communicate with the remote device. I have seen scanners with all sorts of interfaces, including raw sockets, and wireless ethernet. Some can be programmed to actually do a telnet login. -John wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 16:40:37 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: TCPIP glitch wih aliases Message-ID: I needed to move the cluster alias IP from an alpha to a vax. I looked at the ifconfig command and issued ifconfig we0 10.0.0.50 down where the 10.0.0.50 is the cluster alias IP. The VAX instantly picked up responsability for 10.0.0.50. But the alpha found its IP stack rather unresponsive. Turns out the above command disabled all IPs on the WE0 interface, AND zapped the permanent routes from the active database. (why is that ?) doing IFCONFIG WE0 10.0.0.11 up seemed to work, but it did not restor the routes so that node had no way to reach IPs outside its subnet. Questions: I seem to recall a magical TCPIP> incantation which would copy the permanent routes back into the active routes. Could not find it. Does anyone know if there is such a command ? Also, is there a way to just disable the alias entry so it jumps to another node ? Or must one delete it and recreate it from scratch ? (I think what I should have done yesterday was: $ ifconfig WE0 -alias 10.0.0.50 $ ifconfig we0 alias 10.0.0.50 netmask 255.255.0.0 But this requires I know the exact parameters to feed to recreate that interface. I would rather have those parameters stored in one single place as extra commands to execure during TCPIP startup and not have to worry about recreating them whenever I wish to move the alias to another node. this si why I though the "down" command would be neat since I expected it to just disable the alias without deleteing it, but it ended up zapping it and disabling the primary interface. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 10:01:05 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: TCPIP programming (sockaddr_in question) Message-ID: wrote in message news:00A67DA8.2B0F9C71@SendSpamHere.ORG... > In article , "John Gemignani, Jr." writes: > > > > > > > > wrote in message > >news:00A67CAA.A1C5C707@SendSpamHere.ORG... > >> In article , "Richard Maher" > >> writes: > >>> > >>> > >>>Hi Brian, > >>> > >>>I'll re-read the whole thread again tonight but do these changes yeild the > >>>result you're after? > >>> > >>>PEER: .WORD 16,0 > >>>..ADDRESS P_ADR > >>>..ADDRESS P_LEN > >>>..LONG 0 > >>> > >>>P_LEN: .LONG 0 > >>>P_ADR: > >>>addr_dom: .word 0 > >>>port_num: .word 0 > >>>host_adr: .byte 0[4] > >>> .blkb 8 > > > > This area is too small. The SIN4 is 16 bytes and the SIN6 is much > >larger, like 24-32. > > There should be symbol definitions for these in $INETDEF. In C, I would > >often code > > up the sockaddr as a union of a sin4 and sin6. It is important to note > >that you can get > > an IPv4 encapsulated address using the IPv6 interfaces (there are C > >macros that check > > certain IPv6 address fields for the appropriate FF's that indicate > >such). > > Please quote properly. That which you have attributed to me I did not post. > > I originally set the size of the structure to 8 longwords. 4*8 is, or at > least was, 32 whan I went to school. SIN6$K_LENGTH is 28 so there's AMPLE > space to store a SIN$, SIN44$ or SIN6$ sockaddr_in definition. > > Using the P3 parameter in the $QIO returns the size of data filled in the > sockaddr_in. The first byte can also be used to determine the type of the > sockaddr_in data returned. > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" Hi Brian, John OK as I've re-read the thread and didn't twig the first time that you were using IPV6 (even though you told us :-) > Using the P3 parameter in the $QIO returns the size of data filled in the > sockaddr_in. The first byte can also be used to determine the type of the > sockaddr_in data returned. Sounds like you've already got the answer but I was curious why you were getting a V6 structure when you hadn't explicitly specified the io$m_extend modifier with your io$_sensemode. So I went looking to see what happens and I'm leaning heavily towards "bug" at the moment and would love to know what Multinet or TCPWare BG drivers do! FWIW here are my thoughts: - - I'm using UCX 5.1 on Alpha VMS 7.2-2 - ucx show dev bg3705 STREAM 1024 49226 1.2.3.6 <---IPV4 bg3707 STREAM 49226 1024 1.2.3.6 <---IPV6 - If I'm listening on a V4 Socket and receive a connection from a V6 client then UCX gives me a 16 byte V4 Socket Addr Structure for the remote client (Port and IP address are peachy. I used the ::ffff.1.2.3.4 format when connecting. Not a real example perhaps?) - If I try to use Brian's sensmode example (but with V4 16 bytes only) on the local BG device, naturally it works - If I try to use it on the remote BG device I get the addr_dom filled in with 26 (IPV6) the Port set to 0004 and the rest set to zero - If I try to use a 28 byte IPV6 Structure (*no* io$m_extend) I get the addr_dom is set to zero and the length set to the "26" (address_dom) the address is ::ffff.1.2.3.6 but the port number is still "0004" - If I try to use a IPV6 Structure (with io$m_extend) I get the addr_dom and length bytes left alone (or rewritten with the same thing) the address is ::ffff.1.2.3.6 and the port number is still "0004" - From above you can see the port number is 49926 Are you guys seeing different results? Where is the port number? Whats the four for? If UCX can translate/massage a IPV6 address into IPV4 format for an accept then why can't it to the same for a sensemode? (What does it do with a "real" V6 address? Just last four bytes regardless? Can BIND/DNS work with that?) If I haven't explicitly specified io$m_extend with my io$_sensemode then why am I getting a IPv6 Structure? Am I seeing things? Is it a Bug? Am I floundering? All of the above? I suppose I too just want to know what is the correct procedure or rules-of-engagement for IPV6 addresses. (And yes I am re-reading the fine manual :-) Cheers Richard Maher ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 2007 11:44:21 -0700 From: R Boyd Subject: Re: World's Fastest Processor? For Now, Anyway Message-ID: <1179844418.137855.83260@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com> On May 21, 10:16 pm, Neil Rieck wrote: > World's Fastest Processor? For Now, Anyway > > > The POWER6 supposedly is the first UNIX microprocessor able to > calculate decimal floating-point arithmetic in hardware. Until now, > calculations involving decimal numbers with floating decimal points > were done using software. The built-in decimal floating-point > capability gives advantage to enterprises running complex tax, > financial, and ERP programs, among others. What kind basis do they have for making this claim that it's the first one to do it in hardware? Haven't there been a number of microprocessors that did this long ago? ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 2007 19:22:12 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: World's Fastest Processor? For Now, Anyway Message-ID: <5bgu74F2rqpirU1@mid.individual.net> In article <1179844418.137855.83260@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, R Boyd writes: > On May 21, 10:16 pm, Neil Rieck wrote: >> World's Fastest Processor? For Now, Anyway >> > >> >> The POWER6 supposedly is the first UNIX microprocessor able to >> calculate decimal floating-point arithmetic in hardware. Until now, >> calculations involving decimal numbers with floating decimal points >> were done using software. The built-in decimal floating-point >> capability gives advantage to enterprises running complex tax, >> financial, and ERP programs, among others. > > What kind basis do they have for making this claim that it's the first > one to do it in hardware? Haven't there been a number of > microprocessors that did this long ago? Feel free to dispute the claim. What processor did you have in mind? I can't think of any that did this in the past 30 or so years. Use decimal numbers, yes, but not floating point. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 2007 15:15:24 -0700 From: ultradwc@gmail.com Subject: Re: World's Fastest Processor? For Now, Anyway Message-ID: <1179872124.267204.109700@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On May 21, 10:16 pm, Neil Rieck wrote: > World's Fastest Processor? For Now, Anyway > > http://www.ddj.com/dept/64bit/199700333?cid > > A multi-core processor that increases the speed, while keeping energy > consumption the same > IBM has launched what it claims is the fastest microprocessor ever > built -- the 4.7-GHz, dual-core POWER6. According to IBM, the > processor doubles the speed of the previous generation POWER5 which, > in a new kind of benchmark, delivers enough bandwidth to download the > entire iTunes catalog in 60 seconds. That tops out at 300 gigabytes > per second -- 30 times faster than HP's Itanium, according to IBM. The > processor also uses nearly the same amount of electricity as the > POWER5. > > The POWER6 supposedly is the first UNIX microprocessor able to > calculate decimal floating-point arithmetic in hardware. Until now, > calculations involving decimal numbers with floating decimal points > were done using software. The built-in decimal floating-point > capability gives advantage to enterprises running complex tax, > financial, and ERP programs, among others. > > The POWER6 processor is built using IBM's state-of-the-art 65 > nanometer process technology. Coming at a time when some experts have > predicted an end to Moore's Law, which holds that processor speed > doubles every 18 months, the IBM processor is driven by a number of > technical advances scored during the five-year research and > development effort to develop the POWER6 chip. These include: > > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, > Ontario, Canada.http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ with probably some stolen alpha designs ... unfortunately, it does not run vms ... IBM thinks it is outdated ... what a waste of a processor ... no os to run the best clustering and security on it ... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 01:23:13 +0200 From: Michael Kraemer Subject: Re: World's Fastest Processor? For Now, Anyway Message-ID: Tom Linden schrieb: > > Unfortunately they already have their own, with OO extensions and > builtin XML parser. but apparently it has a very low profile, last time I checked it did not show up on their AIX pages. They have a separate PL/I page where one can learn that there's also PL/I for AIX, but one has to dig for it. And, BTW, the respective link on the Kednos page is invalid, thanks to IBM reshuffling their web pages every now and then. ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 2007 21:49:20 -0500 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: World's Fastest Processor? For Now, Anyway Message-ID: <66dfp8Idh60R@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <1179844418.137855.83260@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, R Boyd writes: > On May 21, 10:16 pm, Neil Rieck wrote: >> World's Fastest Processor? For Now, Anyway >> > >> >> The POWER6 supposedly is the first UNIX microprocessor able to >> calculate decimal floating-point arithmetic in hardware. Until now, >> calculations involving decimal numbers with floating decimal points >> were done using software. The built-in decimal floating-point >> capability gives advantage to enterprises running complex tax, >> financial, and ERP programs, among others. > > What kind basis do they have for making this claim that it's the first > one to do it in hardware? Haven't there been a number of > microprocessors that did this long ago? Perhaps they were not _UNIX_ microprocessors, like this one is :-) ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 2007 20:03:22 -0700 From: Neil Rieck Subject: Re: World's Fastest Processor? For Now, Anyway Message-ID: <1179889402.226703.125720@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On May 22, 2:44 pm, R Boyd wrote: > On May 21, 10:16 pm, Neil Rieck wrote: > [...snip...] > > What kind basis do they have for making this claim that it's the first > one to do it in hardware? Haven't there been a number of > microprocessors that did this long ago? > This brings back memories of my early PDP days where you could purchase a commercial instruction set option which included (if memory serves) decimal math instructions. All this cool stuff was turfed from hardware when the industry decided to swing to RISC (Relegate Important Stuff to the Compiler?). Now along comes IBM with POWER6 and they are starting to sneak some cool CISC stuff back into RISC. What's next? INSQUE and REMQUE ? Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 19:52:46 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: World's Fastest Processor? For Now, Anyway Message-ID: On Tue, 22 May 2007 16:23:13 -0700, Michael Kraemer wrote: > Tom Linden schrieb: >> Unfortunately they already have their own, with OO extensions and >> builtin XML parser. > > but apparently it has a very low profile, > last time I checked it did not show up on their AIX > pages. They have a separate PL/I page where one can > learn that there's also PL/I for AIX, but one has to dig for it. > And, BTW, the respective link on the Kednos page is invalid, > thanks to IBM reshuffling their web pages every now and then. Which link was thar? I wil fix that. > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 00:47:33 -0400 From: Bill Todd Subject: Re: World's Fastest Processor? For Now, Anyway Message-ID: Neil Rieck wrote: > On May 22, 2:44 pm, R Boyd wrote: >> On May 21, 10:16 pm, Neil Rieck wrote: >> > [...snip...] >> What kind basis do they have for making this claim that it's the first >> one to do it in hardware? Haven't there been a number of >> microprocessors that did this long ago? >> > > This brings back memories of my early PDP days where you could > purchase a commercial instruction set option which included (if memory > serves) decimal math instructions. My recollection is that CIS involved decimal *integer* instructions (supposedly useful for COBOL), not decimal *FP* instructions (as POWER6 supports). For that matter, good old x86 has supported a few decimal *integer* instructions since Day 1. My guess is that decimal FP may be useful in providing decimal-oriented rounding behavior - certainly significant for financial calculations, and perhaps elsewhere. It's a bit difficult for me to imagine that a sufficient market for high-speed decimal FP exists to justify its cost in silicon, but given how on-target IBM has been with the rest of its POWER designs I'm not about to disparage it. - bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 00:53:30 -0400 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: World's Fastest Processor? For Now, Anyway Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu [mailto:bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu] On > Behalf Of Bill Gunshannon > Sent: May 22, 2007 3:22 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: World's Fastest Processor? For Now, Anyway >=20 > In article <1179844418.137855.83260@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, > R Boyd writes: > > On May 21, 10:16 pm, Neil Rieck wrote: > >> World's Fastest Processor? For Now, Anyway > >> > > > >> > >> The POWER6 supposedly is the first UNIX microprocessor able to > >> calculate decimal floating-point arithmetic in hardware. Until now, > >> calculations involving decimal numbers with floating decimal points > >> were done using software. The built-in decimal floating-point > >> capability gives advantage to enterprises running complex tax, > >> financial, and ERP programs, among others. > > > > What kind basis do they have for making this claim that it's the > first > > one to do it in hardware? Haven't there been a number of > > microprocessors that did this long ago? >=20 > Feel free to dispute the claim. What processor did you have in mind? > I can't think of any that did this in the past 30 or so years. Use > decimal numbers, yes, but not floating point. >=20 > bill >=20 VAX 11780/11785/11750 ..all had FP HW options ..=20 :-) Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.281 ************************