INFO-VAX Wed, 16 May 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 267
Contents:
Another x86-64 price war is coming
Re: Another x86-64 price war is coming
Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet?
RE: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet?
Re: Digital *is* a Software Company? (Was Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE))
Re: Digital *is* a Software Company? (Was Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE))
Re: Digital *is* a Software Company? (Was Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE)) IDE))
Re: How can I get scanf to terminate on <CR> when the buffer is empty?
Re: How can I get scanf to terminate on <CR> when the buffer is empty?
Re: How can I get scanf to terminate on <CR> when the buffer is empty?
Re: How to reset X-window
Re: MicroVAX with KDA50, RQDX3 and KFQSA configuration ??
Need a PC Computer Info Portal?
OT: Google's study of web based malware
Re: OT: Polish language
Re: OT: Polish language
Re: OT: Polish language
Re: OT: Polish language
Re: sanface txt2pdf comments
Re: sanface txt2pdf comments
Re: Shouldn't we be helping HP ?
Re: Shouldn't we be helping HP ?
Re: Shouldn't we be helping HP ?
Re: SYSMAN problem
Re: SYSMAN problem
Re: TCPIP programming (sockaddr_in question)
Re: TCPIP programming questions
[OT] Re: Movie Promo for HP Partners Roundhouse in Nashua on Tuesday, May 22
Re: [OT] Re: Movie Promo for HP Partners Roundhouse in Nashua on Tuesday, May 2
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Date: 15 May 2007 19:42:46 -0700
From: Neil Rieck <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Another x86-64 price war is coming
Message-ID: <1179283366.650550.133540@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>
According to this article...
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=789466
...another price war is brewing between Intel and AMD and only
(x86-64)
customers will benefit. Intel's prices are scheduled to drop on
July-22.
###
In the most updated plan, Intel Quad-Core Core 2 Quad Q6600 (2.4GHz/
4MB L2 x2/1066MHzFSB) will be further cut to $266, a second drop
within 4 months since its release on March with 68.7% accumulated
price drop. For the original price segment of Core 2 Quad Q6600, now
it will be replaced by a new model Quad Q6700 (2.66GHz/4MB L2
x2/1066MHzFSB), pricing at $530.
###
Wow a 68% drop in price. This will result in market place pressures on
that
Itanic thing.
Neil Rieck
Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,
Ontario, Canada.
http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 00:30:06 -0400
From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Subject: Re: Another x86-64 price war is coming
Message-ID: <97bc6$464a88e9$cef8887a$27303@TEKSAVVY.COM>
Neil Rieck wrote:
> In the most updated plan, Intel Quad-Core Core 2 Quad Q6600 (2.4GHz/
> 4MB L2 x2/1066MHzFSB) will be further cut to $266, a second drop
> within 4 months since its release on March
AMD is about to release a true quad core chip. Intel will follow shortly
thereafter with its own true quad core. (its current offering is a
combination of 2 dial cores in the same package).
It is called competition. Intel no longer assumes it has automatic
rights to 90% of the market. So prices are diven down. Food for the market.
Carly/Culry's original predictions of commodity chips for the enterprise
will come true. It just won't be that IA64 thing.
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:05:15 -0400
From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet?
Message-ID: <c6f44$4649f654$cef8b3a6$1460@TEKSAVVY.COM-Free>
Main, Kerry wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]
>> Sent: May 14, 2007 4:03 PM
>> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com
>> Subject: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet?
>>
>
> [snip...]
>
>>> With respect to OpenVMS vs Wintel, the typical comparison is one app
>>> on Wintel vs one app on OpenVMS. However, what happens when you
>>> compare 10 apps to be consolidated vs 10 apps on OpenVMS?
>>>
>>> Know any Cust's who would do App stacking on Wintel? Not likely.
>>> Hence, you end up with 10 Wintel OS images to manage, license,
>>> monitor etc. With OpenVMS, you do not have the technical and
>>> cultural issues with App stacking as you do with Wintel/Linux. And
>>> OS image numbers are directly related to FTE counts - by far the
>>> biggest component of any IT budget.
>>>
>>> Based on the typical current state priorities one typically hears
>>> from CIO's today, it is usually along the lines of:
>>>
>>> - 60+% App / DB concerns
>>> - 30+% OS related (since app often takes advantage of and is
>>> integrated with OS features)
>>> - 10-% HW (and if OS hides issues with HW, and new HW can outperform
>>> current HW - regardless of whether its best on the block, then this
>>> concern becomes even less. Sun's server performance record in the
>>> past is a great example of this)
>>
>>
>> All true, but precious few current VMS customers/ISV's believe that
>> HP is
>> serious about the long-term future of VMS, never-mind prospective
>> customers.
>>
>> So Kerry, what's the count of new-to-VMS customers this year? Zero or
>> one?
>> Where are the 'big wins' for VMS? Or are the 'big wins" now being
>> viewed as
>> simply retaining a customer?
>>
>> Oh, and as to Sun.....they still have a software portfolio of their
>> own, and
>> an ISV base for Solaris probably a couple orders of magnitude larger
>> than
>> that for VMS. And that sways a LOT of sales.
>>
>
> Phuleeease .. I will not say OpenVMS could not be marketed a tad
> better, but lets not start putting Sun/Solaris on some type of
> platter here.
>
> I work a great these days on large multi-platform, multi-vendor IT and
> DC consolidation engagements and rightfully or wrongly, almost every
> med-large DC Cust I run into with Solaris systems has the following
> strategy:
> - keep Solaris on SPARC for bigger Apps for now, but look at moving
> these to Linux at some point in the future.
> - move all other low-med Solaris apps to Linux.
>
> So, they are certainly not without their big issues these days ..
So how many of your customers are doing DC consolidation onto VMS? Certainly
none who currently use other operating systems ....oh, wait a minute, there
are lots but you can't disclose who they are due to competitive resons and
non-disclosures - silly me , I forgot about that. So perhaps euphamistically
you might say one of the top three companies in the XYZ industry in the USA,
or the UK, or globally just so you don't explicitly disclose the customer
identity.
As to VMS marketing efforts being "a tad better", that sort of statement
reminds me of the Monty Python 'Dead Parrot' skit.
Feel free to substitute "VMS" or "operating system from HP" wherever
"parrot" appears, although parroting the 'party' line @ HP seems to have
been refined to high art.
....
A customer enters a pet shop.
Customer: 'Ello, I wish to register a complaint.
(The owner does not respond.)
Customer: 'Ello, Miss?
Owner: What do you mean "miss"?
Customer: I'm sorry, I have a cold. I wish to make a complaint!
Owner: We're closin' for lunch.
Customer: Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this parrot what
I
purchased not half an hour ago from this very boutique.
Owner: Oh yes, the, uh, the Norwegian Blue...What's,uh...What's wrong with
it?
Customer: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. 'E's dead, that's
what's
wrong with it!
Owner: No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting.
Customer: Look, matey, I know a dead parrot when I see one, and I'm looking
at one right now.
Owner: No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'! Remarkable bird, the
Norwegian
Blue, idn'it, ay? Beautiful plumage!
Customer: The plumage don't enter into it. It's stone dead.
Owner: Nononono, no, no! 'E's resting!
Customer: All right then, if he's restin', I'll wake him up!
(shouting at the cage)
'Ello, Mister Polly Parrot! I've got a lovely fresh cuttle fish for you if
you show...(owner hits the cage)
Owner: There, he moved!
Customer: No, he didn't, that was you hitting the cage!
Owner: I never!!
Customer: Yes, you did!
Owner: I never, never did anything...
Customer: (yelling and hitting the cage repeatedly) 'ELLO POLLY!!!!!
Testing! Testing! Testing! Testing! This is your nine o'clock alarm call!
(Takes parrot out of the cage and thumps its head on the counter. Throws it
up
in the air and watches it plummet to the floor.)
Customer: Now that's what I call a dead parrot.
Owner: No, no.....No, 'e's stunned!
Customer: STUNNED?!?
Owner: Yeah! You stunned him, just as he was wakin' up! Norwegian Blues
stun easily, major.
Customer: Um...now look...now look, mate, I've definitely 'ad enough of
this.
That parrot is definitely deceased, and when I purchased it not 'alf an hour
ago, you assured me that its total lack of movement was due to it bein'
tired and shagged out following a prolonged squawk.
Owner: Well, he's...he's, ah...probably pining for the fjords.
Customer: PININ' for the FJORDS?!?!?!? What kind of talk is that?, look, why
did he fall flat on his back the moment I got 'im home?
Owner: The Norwegian Blue prefers kippin' on it's back! Remarkable bird,
id'nit,
squire? Lovely plumage!
Customer: Look, I took the liberty of examining that parrot when I got it
home,
and I discovered the only reason that it had been sitting on its perch in
the first place was that it had been NAILED there.
(pause)
Owner: Well, o'course it was nailed there! If I hadn't nailed that bird
down,
it would have nuzzled up to those bars, bent 'em apart with its beak, and
VOOM! Feeweeweewee!
Customer: "VOOM"?!? Mate, this bird wouldn't "voom" if you put four million
volts
through it! 'E's bleedin' demised!
Owner: No no! 'E's pining!
Customer: 'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This parrot is no more! He has
ceased
to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft
of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be
pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off
the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run
down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!!
THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!!
(pause)
Owner: Well, I'd better replace it, then.
(he takes a quick peek behind the counter)
Owner: Sorry squire, I've had a look 'round the back of the shop, and uh,
we're right out of parrots. Customer: I see. I see, I get the picture.
Owner: I got a slug.
.....
--
OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV
base.
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:28:54 -0400
From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>
Subject: RE: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet?
Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B868402369731@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]
> Sent: May 15, 2007 2:05 PM
> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com
> Subject: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet?
>=20
[snip...]
>=20
> So how many of your customers are doing DC consolidation onto VMS?
Customer doing large DC / IT Consolidation are typically risk adverse
and are under extreme pressures to get it done quickly. Hence the
typical strategy is to do like-like platforms consolidation e.g. OpenVMS
to OpenVMS, Windows to Windows (on VMware where appropriate), Linux to
Linux, AIX to AIX etc.
The only possible exception to this is that a number of Cust's are
taking low priority Solaris (and in much less cases AIX, HP-UX) servers
and moving them to Linux. However, this is only if there is low risk and
low priority of the App's.
> Certainly
> none who currently use other operating systems ....oh, wait a minute,
> there
> are lots but you can't disclose who they are due to competitive resons
> and
> non-disclosures - silly me , I forgot about that. So perhaps
> euphamistically
> you might say one of the top three companies in the XYZ industry in
> the USA,
> or the UK, or globally just so you don't explicitly disclose the
> customer
> identity.
>=20
Well, if you want to see some ISV's, check out the Integrity ISV lists
at:
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/matrix/i64partner_A.html
(click on letter for each class of ISV's)
[big snip..]
Kerry Main
Senior Consultant
HP Services Canada
Voice: 613-592-4660
Fax: 613-591-4477
kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom
(remove the DOT's and AT)=20
OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:06:35 -0400
From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>
Subject: Re: Digital *is* a Software Company? (Was Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE))
Message-ID: <a79e4$4649f6a4$cef8b3a6$1552@TEKSAVVY.COM-Free>
Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> Martin Krischik wrote:
>> http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm
>
> I know that one reader here will think one language is
> missing ...
>
> Arne
APL ???
--
OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV
base.
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Date: 15 May 2007 18:11:49 GMT
From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)
Subject: Re: Digital *is* a Software Company? (Was Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE))
Message-ID: <5aubf5F2qlme6U1@mid.individual.net>
In article <a79e4$4649f6a4$cef8b3a6$1552@teksavvy.com-free>,
"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:
> Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> Martin Krischik wrote:
>>> http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm
>>
>> I know that one reader here will think one language is
>> missing ...
>>
>
> APL ???
>
Jovial ???
bill
--
Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves
bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
University of Scranton |
Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include <std.disclaimer.h>
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:35:31 -0400
From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Digital *is* a Software Company? (Was Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE)) IDE))
Message-ID: <4649FD73.7000500@comcast.net>
Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> In article <a79e4$4649f6a4$cef8b3a6$1552@teksavvy.com-free>,
> "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:
>
>>Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>
>>>Martin Krischik wrote:
>>>
>>>>http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm
>>>
>>>I know that one reader here will think one language is
>>>missing ...
>>>
>>
>>APL ???
>>
>
>
> Jovial ???
>
> bill
>
Coral?
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Date: 15 May 2007 16:29:30 -0500
From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)
Subject: Re: How can I get scanf to terminate on <CR> when the buffer is empty?
Message-ID: <QkqTm2ohWT2Z@eisner.encompasserve.org>
In article <1179227725.908916.139510@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Fatz <comedyox@yahoo.co.uk> writes:
> Hello,
>
> How can I get scanf to terminate on carriage-return when the buffer is
> empty?
Redefine the standard meaning of the scanf() routine and break
lots of other people's code. 8-(
Seriously, this is similar to a problem for lots of my coworkers when
they moved from Fortran to C. Fortran READ will flush the rest of an
input record so you can re-prompt and re-read after error. C scanf()
leaves the rest of the data in the buffer.
But checking for an empty record is simply not the same as checking
for end of file in any language.
In your case, either:
1) enter EOF, since that's what you're testing for (control-Z on
VMS)
2) test for length and content of input to detect entry of
\n only, since that seems to be what you really want to end
with
3) hire a programmer who already knows at least 2), that's pretty
basic stuff
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Date: 15 May 2007 15:29:13 -0700
From: daryljones@att.net
Subject: Re: How can I get scanf to terminate on <CR> when the buffer is empty?
Message-ID: <1179268153.480444.267190@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>
On May 15, 4:15 am, Fatz <comed...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> How can I get scanf to terminate on carriage-return when the buffer is
> empty?
>
> #include <stdio.h>
> #include <stdlib.h>
>
> int main()
> {
> char buf[10];
> printf("> ");
> if (scanf("%s", buf) == EOF) exit(1);
> if (strlen(buf) == 0) exit(1);
>
> }
>
> When I run this and hit return at the prompt, the new line is echoed
> and scanf keeps waiting for the string. How can I get scanf to
> terminate instead (other than using gets())?
>
> Thanks for any help,
>
> Fatz
> DEC C V5.6-003 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3
Programming in C
Third Edition
Stephen G. Kochan
ISBN 0-672-32666-3
Page 358, bottom of the page.
"To read an entire line from the termnal into the character "buf", you
can specifiy that the newline character at the end of the line is your
string terminator"
scanf("%[^\n]\n", buf)
I hope this helps,
Daryl Jones
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 09:21:17 +1000
From: Jim Duff <spam.this@127.0.0.1>
Subject: Re: How can I get scanf to terminate on <CR> when the buffer is empty?
Message-ID: <464a406d$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au>
daryljones@att.net wrote:
>
>
> Programming in C
> Third Edition
> Stephen G. Kochan
> ISBN 0-672-32666-3
>
> Page 358, bottom of the page.
>
> "To read an entire line from the termnal into the character "buf", you
> can specifiy that the newline character at the end of the line is your
> string terminator"
>
> scanf("%[^\n]\n", buf)
>
> I hope this helps,
> Daryl Jones
>
Wow, learn something new every day! I was unaware of this format
convention. It would be a good idea to specify a maximum width on it,
however:
"%10[^\n]\n"
Having said that, if I was programing for VMS, I'd still choose a more
robust input method over the C RTL as irregardless of the maximum width
spec, scanf() still continues reading characters until it sees a \n,
which could be 5, 50, or 5000 characters down the track.
Jim.
--
www.eight-cubed.com
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:50:36 -0700
From: Fred Bach <bach@triumf.ca>
Subject: Re: How to reset X-window
Message-ID: <f2d6es$vmd$1@aioe.org>
Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER wrote:
> In article <op.tr70lga5tte90l@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> writes:
>> PuTTY SSH window on W2K to Alpha 7.3 ran program with garbage output to
>> display causing it to go into funny state, printing odd chars. It is a
>> simple enough matter to kill the display and open a new one, but is there
>> a way to reset it? It appears that characters have been remapped.
>
> Try then a simple
>
> $ esc[0,8]=27
> $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT esc, "(B"
>
> and tell us if this helps
>
> Maybe you need also (or only ;-) a
>
> $ so[0,8]=15
> $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT so
>
> -EPLAN
>
> PS: And if this fixes your problems you could make the solution permanent
> by stuffing it in your DCL prompt (only when on a DEC_CRT) with eg:
>
> ...
I take it that what is missing here is:
$ node = f$getsyi("nodename")
$ user = f$edit(f$getjpi("","username"),"trim")
$ sy_len = f$length(node)
$ us_len = f$length(user)
> $ sy_str = F$EX (0, 1, node) + F$ED (F$EX (1, sy_len, node), "LOWERCASE")
> $ us_str = F$EX (0, 1, user) + F$ED (F$EX (1, us_len, user), "LOWERCASE")
> $ pr_str = sy_str + "/" + us_str
> ...
> $ prompt = esc + "(B" + esc + "[4l" + esc + "7" + esc + "[r" + esc + "8"
> $ prompt = prompt + esc + "[1m" + pr_str + esc + "[m"
> ...
> $ IF .NOT. F$GETDVI ("TT", "TT_DECCRT") THEN prompt = pr_str + "$"
> $ SET PROMPT = "''prompt' "
The Prompt string is limited to 32 characters. In my case my nodename is
too long (6 chars), and the last 3 letters are all that is needed to identify
the node, so I start at letter 4 in the nodename. If you comment out the
"show sym prompt" you get something like this:
PROMPT = ".(B.[4l.7.[r.8.[1mBn2/Bach.[m
where each dot (".") is an escape character. Here is my code. Note that I
add a ">" character in the last line:
$ node = f$getsyi("nodename")
$ user = f$edit(f$getjpi("","username"),"trim")
$ sy_len = f$length(node)
$ us_len = f$length(user)
$ sy_str = F$EX (3, 1, node) + F$ED (F$EX (4, sy_len, node), "LOWERCASE")
$ us_str = F$EX (0, 1, user) + F$ED (F$EX (1, us_len, user), "LOWERCASE")
$ pr_str = sy_str + "/" + us_str
$ prompt = esc + "(B" + esc + "[4l" + esc + "7" + esc + "[r" + esc + "8"
$ prompt = prompt + esc + "[1m" + pr_str + esc + "[m"
$! show sym prompt
$! write sys$output f$length(prompt)
$ IF .NOT. F$GETDVI ("TT", "TT_DECCRT") THEN prompt = pr_str + "$"
$ SET PROMPT = "''prompt'> "
... Fred Bach m u s i c at t r i u m f dot ca
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Date: 15 May 2007 16:15:48 -0500
From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)
Subject: Re: MicroVAX with KDA50, RQDX3 and KFQSA configuration ??
Message-ID: <gfxT04gpgCuF@eisner.encompasserve.org>
In article <1179198477.918196.148720@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, Bob Armstrong <bob@jfcl.com> writes:
>
>
> It's most convenient if the KDA50 remains the primary MSCP
> controller, and since the KFQSA only supports two CSR addresses for
> the card itself, I guess it'll have to get the secondary address at
> 760334 and the RQDX3 will have to move to the tertiary address. So
> I'll have something like
>
> KDA50 772150 (primary, drives DUA0, 1, etc...)
> KFQSA 760334 (secondary)
> RQDX3 760340 (tertiary, drives DUC0, DUC1, etc...)
> DSSI drive #1 760344 (will VMS call this DIA0?)
> DSSI drive #2 760350 (DIA1?)
> DSSI drive #3 760354 ...
> ... etc ...
I don't know what you've got now, but Qbus addresses aren't simple.
The best way I know is to use SYSGEN SHOW CONFIG to find out
what you've got now, work with SYSGEN CONFIG until you can reproduce
that, then run SYSGEN CONFIG one more time with exactly the same input
plus the new card.
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Date: 15 May 2007 14:03:53 -0700
From: lawsfaq2@yahoo.com
Subject: Need a PC Computer Info Portal?
Message-ID: <1179263033.676658.25660@e51g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>
Personal Computers (PC's) contains a lot of info that the average user
doesn't usually know. At http://PCTermDefinitions.com there is
extensive infomation related to this topic (all free). Along with a
link portal to other PC computer related sites.
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 00:35:02 -0400
From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Subject: OT: Google's study of web based malware
Message-ID: <8a4f1$464a8a11$cef8887a$27809@TEKSAVVY.COM>
A good PDF document (9 pages) that outlines the growth of HTTP to
transfer malware to microsoft desktops.
While the few remaining hobbyist VMS desktops are not affected by the
windows executables, VMS web server and web pages can be made to serve
directly or indirectly such malware, so it is important to know how it
is done.
(for instance, vms based web server whose web pages include javascript
or iframes that pull in advertising from a 3rd party are vulnerable to
such exploits).
Google has found hat about 10% of sites already serve malware.
CNET article:
>http://news.com.com/Google+10+percent+of+sites+are+dangerous/2100-7349_3-6183818.html?tag=nefd.top
The PDF document:
http://www.usenix.org/events/hotbots07/tech/full_papers/provos/provos.pdf
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Date: 15 May 2007 16:32:51 -0500
From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)
Subject: Re: OT: Polish language
Message-ID: <u1KKxutFfcOp@eisner.encompasserve.org>
In article <4649CB44.1060103@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:
>
> I can, of course, pronounce "sh" and "ch" but not "shch"; I need a vowel
> or two!
Gee, I'm a native English spearker and didn't find that hard. Try
saying "mush chuck" three times fast, then trim it down to "shch"
one phoneme at a time.
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Date: 15 May 2007 16:33:48 -0500
From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)
Subject: Re: OT: Polish language
Message-ID: <PwKNlFnM6fpO@eisner.encompasserve.org>
In article <op.tsdh9ptdtte90l@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> writes:
>
> cabbage cheese, last phonem of the first word with first of the second,
> now try to
> isolate them
IMHO you have some pretty odd cabbage.
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:28:22 -0700
From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Polish language
Message-ID: <op.tsd3dkjette90l@hyrrokkin>
On Tue, 15 May 2007 14:33:48 -0700, Bob Koehler
<koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote:
> In article <op.tsdh9ptdtte90l@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden"
> <tom@kednos-remove.com> writes:
>>
>> cabbage cheese, last phonem of the first word with first of the second,
>> now try to
>> isolate them
>
> IMHO you have some pretty odd cabbage.
>
You know, I meant to write cottage cheese and from some reason it
became cabbage cheese, I guess I am guilty of ethnic profiling.
--
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 00:00:22 GMT
From: Roger Ivie <rivie@ridgenet.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Polish language
Message-ID: <slrnf4kicm.e35.rivie@stench.no.domain>
On 2007-05-15, Tom Linden <tom@kednos-remove.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 15 May 2007 14:33:48 -0700, Bob Koehler
><koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote:
>
>> In article <op.tsdh9ptdtte90l@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden"
>> <tom@kednos-remove.com> writes:
>>>
>>> cabbage cheese, last phonem of the first word with first of the second,
>>> now try to
>>> isolate them
>>
>> IMHO you have some pretty odd cabbage.
>>
> You know, I meant to write cottage cheese and from some reason it
> became cabbage cheese, I guess I am guilty of ethnic profiling.
Ah, well, I figured cabbage cheese was a rash choice, anyway.
--
roger ivie
rivie@ridgenet.net
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Date: 15 May 2007 13:01:52 -0700
From: Bob Gezelter <gezelter@rlgsc.com>
Subject: Re: sanface txt2pdf comments
Message-ID: <1179259312.617392.190850@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
On May 15, 10:44 am, "Jerry Alan Braga" <jerry.br...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Is anyone using this out there in openVMS 8.3 on alpha land. I currently
> have the need to convert txt to pdf documents including adding watermarks
> etc. I am using a different utility I found for vms but it is very basic
> and cannot adder background watermarks etc. I also need one from some of my
> windows apps being perl I could run it on both.
>
> Any comments or suggestions, thanks
Jerry,
I have done this several times by redefining the PostScript showpage
operator outside the context of the particular file. What tool are you
using to produce the PDF documents in the first place?
- Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 20:35:08 GMT
From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jerry.braga@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: sanface txt2pdf comments
Message-ID: <0Qo2i.14168$g63.11343@edtnps82>
I found small utility C application on the net that read stdin writes
stdout. I wrap that around a command file that checks the max length of the
file to convert and then passes that as another parameter to the c
application that then determines page size and spaces. the output if very
bare bones pdf
"Bob Gezelter" <gezelter@rlgsc.com> wrote in message
news:1179259312.617392.190850@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On May 15, 10:44 am, "Jerry Alan Braga" <jerry.br...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Is anyone using this out there in openVMS 8.3 on alpha land. I currently
>> have the need to convert txt to pdf documents including adding watermarks
>> etc. I am using a different utility I found for vms but it is very basic
>> and cannot adder background watermarks etc. I also need one from some of
>> my
>> windows apps being perl I could run it on both.
>>
>> Any comments or suggestions, thanks
>
> Jerry,
>
> I have done this several times by redefining the PostScript showpage
> operator outside the context of the particular file. What tool are you
> using to produce the PDF documents in the first place?
>
> - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com
>
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 03:01:10 +0200
From: "Dr. Dweeb" <spam@dweeb.net>
Subject: Re: Shouldn't we be helping HP ?
Message-ID: <464a56be$0$7611$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>
JF Mezei wrote:
> Is it really worth fighting against HP for the survival of VMS ?
>
> What would happen if the VMS community were to start to help HP in
> very visible and public ways and convince the press and people that
> HP is truly winding down VMS and expecting people to switch to HP-UX ?
>
> The community has been fighting actively for the last 15 years, and
> while the various owners may not have had the guts to officially
> retire VMS, the community has not been succesful at changing the
> owner's minds on the concept of promoting and growing VMS.
>
> The Cerner bit about moving from VMS to HP-UX really shows that the
> Stallards of HP are having they ways and that the original May 7th
> 2002 memo has always been HP's strategy towards VMS and that HP has
> worked behind the scenes to slowly implement it.
>
> is it really worth fighting ?
>
> When you consider that many VMS engineers are leaving one by one,
> (like rats leaving a sinking ship), and you consider the Cerner
> issue, perhaps VMS is now truly terminal ?
>
> VMS has been attacked by the Palmer cancer, by Compaq and now folks
> like Stallard et all at HP. The community may have been able to slow
> the cancer's growth, but eventually it does grow to a point where you
> can't control its downfall anymore, at which point, you give the
> patient morphine for a peaceful death.
>
> When it gets to that point, you do not wish to prolong life.
>
> Is there really a point in fighting for VMS ?
Nope. I have bailed for good after 20+ years - cest la vie
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 03:04:24 +0200
From: "Dr. Dweeb" <spam@dweeb.net>
Subject: Re: Shouldn't we be helping HP ?
Message-ID: <464a5780$0$7608$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>
genius@marblecliff.com wrote:
> On May 11, 12:59 pm, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>> Is it really worth fighting against HP for the survival of VMS ?
>>
>> What would happen if the VMS community were to start to help HP in
>> very visible and public ways and convince the press and people that
>> HP is truly winding down VMS and expecting people to switch to HP-UX
>> ?
>>
>> The community has been fighting actively for the last 15 years, and
>> while the various owners may not have had the guts to officially
>> retire VMS, the community has not been succesful at changing the
>> owner's minds on the concept of promoting and growing VMS.
>>
>> The Cerner bit about moving from VMS to HP-UX really shows that the
>> Stallards of HP are having they ways and that the original May 7th
>> 2002 memo has always been HP's strategy towards VMS and that HP has
>> worked behind the scenes to slowly implement it.
>>
>> is it really worth fighting ?
>>
>> When you consider that many VMS engineers are leaving one by one,
>> (like rats leaving a sinking ship), and you consider the Cerner
>> issue, perhaps VMS is now truly terminal ?
>>
>> VMS has been attacked by the Palmer cancer, by Compaq and now folks
>> like Stallard et all at HP. The community may have been able to slow
>> the cancer's growth, but eventually it does grow to a point where
>> you can't control its downfall anymore, at which point, you give the
>> patient morphine for a peaceful death.
>>
>> When it gets to that point, you do not wish to prolong life.
>>
>> Is there really a point in fighting for VMS ?
>
> they should not be lying to customers! And if HP does not want
> VMS then you should tell them to sell it to someone who has
> the goal of making it the number one os where it should be ...
>
> you tell them like we have that we have a lot invested in vms and
> we are not leaving, and if forced to we will go to IBM and NEVER
> buy another HP product (incl. ink cartridges) again!
Well, donøt buy an Epson either. I just printed several hundred black text
pages, it now tells me my 5 colour cartridges are empty and will print
nothing.
ALL printer manufacturers are thieves and rogues - sadly there are no good
choices.
Dr. Dweeb
ps: yes I acquired a chip resetter to solve my problem, but the fact stands
that Epson disable the printer and require you to buy new cartridges to
replace ones that have never printed a drop of ink, unless one resorts to
the unauthorised use of electronic chip resetters, which I could only find
in Asia. This is true of every RX and similar printer from Epson.
HP are no better
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 21:26:44 -0500
From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Shouldn't we be helping HP ?
Message-ID: <464A6BE4.ED543188@spam.comcast.net>
"Dr. Dweeb" wrote:
>
> genius@marblecliff.com wrote:
> > On May 11, 12:59 pm, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> >> Is it really worth fighting against HP for the survival of VMS ?
> >>
> >> What would happen if the VMS community were to start to help HP in
> >> very visible and public ways and convince the press and people that
> >> HP is truly winding down VMS and expecting people to switch to HP-UX
> >> ?
> >>
> >> The community has been fighting actively for the last 15 years, and
> >> while the various owners may not have had the guts to officially
> >> retire VMS, the community has not been succesful at changing the
> >> owner's minds on the concept of promoting and growing VMS.
> >>
> >> The Cerner bit about moving from VMS to HP-UX really shows that the
> >> Stallards of HP are having they ways and that the original May 7th
> >> 2002 memo has always been HP's strategy towards VMS and that HP has
> >> worked behind the scenes to slowly implement it.
> >>
> >> is it really worth fighting ?
> >>
> >> When you consider that many VMS engineers are leaving one by one,
> >> (like rats leaving a sinking ship), and you consider the Cerner
> >> issue, perhaps VMS is now truly terminal ?
> >>
> >> VMS has been attacked by the Palmer cancer, by Compaq and now folks
> >> like Stallard et all at HP. The community may have been able to slow
> >> the cancer's growth, but eventually it does grow to a point where
> >> you can't control its downfall anymore, at which point, you give the
> >> patient morphine for a peaceful death.
> >>
> >> When it gets to that point, you do not wish to prolong life.
> >>
> >> Is there really a point in fighting for VMS ?
> >
> > they should not be lying to customers! And if HP does not want
> > VMS then you should tell them to sell it to someone who has
> > the goal of making it the number one os where it should be ...
> >
> > you tell them like we have that we have a lot invested in vms and
> > we are not leaving, and if forced to we will go to IBM and NEVER
> > buy another HP product (incl. ink cartridges) again!
>
> Well, donøt buy an Epson either. I just printed several hundred black text
> pages, it now tells me my 5 colour cartridges are empty and will print
> nothing.
>
> ALL printer manufacturers are thieves and rogues - sadly there are no good
> choices.
Laser printer for B&W?
--
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dba DJE Systems
http://www.djesys.com/
Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page
http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/
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http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/
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http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/
Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:
http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 23:11:27 -0500
From: John <norad869@tx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: SYSMAN problem
Message-ID: <464A846F.8030907@tx.rr.com>
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Doc wrote:
>"news.hp.com" <keithparris_nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in news:f2a0o4$i12$1
>@usenet01.boi.hp.com:
>
><snip>
>
>>t is to meet needs of customers like these that there is a project
>>underway in OpenVMS Engineering (and noted in the OpenVMS Roadmap) to
>>allow SCS communications over IP as an additional OpenVMS cluster
>>interconnect option.
>>
>>
>The sooner you have that the better. Hobbyists can start having
>competitions over who can form the largest geographical cluster. :)
>Doc.
>
>
I can only see that leading to how many times they can circle the globe
with a single cluster... LOL
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<pre wrap="">t is to meet needs of customers like these that there is a project
underway in OpenVMS Engineering (and noted in the OpenVMS Roadmap) to
allow SCS communications over IP as an additional OpenVMS cluster
interconnect option.
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<pre wrap=""><!---->The sooner you have that the better. Hobbyists can start having
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I can only see that leading to how many times they can circle the globe
with a single cluster... LOL<br>
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 23:11:39 -0500
From: John <norad869@tx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: SYSMAN problem
Message-ID: <464A847B.3020609@tx.rr.com>
Doc wrote:
>"news.hp.com" <keithparris_nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in news:f2a0o4$i12$1
>@usenet01.boi.hp.com:
>
><snip>
>
>>t is to meet needs of customers like these that there is a project
>>underway in OpenVMS Engineering (and noted in the OpenVMS Roadmap) to
>>allow SCS communications over IP as an additional OpenVMS cluster
>>interconnect option.
>>
>>
>The sooner you have that the better. Hobbyists can start having
>competitions over who can form the largest geographical cluster. :)
>Doc.
>
>
I can only see that leading to how many times they can circle the globe
with a single cluster... LOL
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 21:45:34 -0700
From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@nfw-invalid.cibtrikker.com>
Subject: Re: TCPIP programming (sockaddr_in question)
Message-ID: <DvWdnV4HjbTsEdfbnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@dls.net>
<VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message
news:00A67A7C.E34FD775@SendSpamHere.ORG...
> In article <00A67A68.F7818E9B@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-
> @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:
>>{...snip...}
>
> A little more info... the socket name structures are documented on section
> 5.5 of
> the HP TCPIP Services "Sockets API and System Services Programming";
> particularly
> in figures 5.8, 5.9 and 5.10.
>
> When using the IO$_SENSEMODE, is there anyway to enforce one format over
> another?
>
> --
> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker
> VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM
>
> "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"
I coded up the QIO interface when TCPIP added support for IPv6. This
required the BSD 4.4 interface which included the new length field. To use
the BSD 4.4 interface (SIN44$), you need to set a special bit in the QIO
modifiers. I think it was something like the IO$M_EXTEND bit. Otherwise a
BSD 4.3 block (SIN$) is returned.
Note how the data is encoded ... the old 4.3 SIN had a 16-bit address
family. The 4.4 SIN carves this into an 8-bit length and 8-bit family and
can return IPv4 or IPv6 addresses. The SIN6 overlays the SIN44 and describes
the IPv6 details.
Don't set extend and you get a SIN$. Set extend and you get a SIN44$. Check
the SIN44$B_FAMILY and if it's AF_SIN6 (TCPIP$C_SIN6?) then it's a SIN6.
Keep in mind that IPv4 addresses can be encoded in IPv6 format.
When compiling C modules, you select SIN44 by including the following line
before your includes (check the underscores):
#define _SOCKADDR_LEN
Sorry that I can't recall the exact modifier, but it should not be hard to
find.
John
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Date: 15 May 2007 16:22:20 -0500
From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)
Subject: Re: TCPIP programming questions
Message-ID: <3+4mC5gDZdeT@eisner.encompasserve.org>
In article <1179219314.804144.49040@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au writes:
>
> On the XP Clients if I close the application by the read cross ( top
> right corner) - I get a SS$_CONNECFAIL as the IOSB status word in the
> readvblk completion AST. If I look in the TCP programming manual I do
> not see SS$_CONNECFAIL as a condition value.
>
> Should I see this error code?
>
> If I close the application via a socket shutdown programmatically on
> the client I get the IOSB status code of SS$_LINKDISCON.
>
> What is the difference between SS$_LINKDISCON and SS$_CONNECFAIL?
You will get condition codes from VMS that are not in the
documented list. Often this is because of nesting (returning errors
verbatum from lower levels).
You can take advantage of the layout of the condition code (which
results in all good conditions having lsb 1 and all bad conditions
having lsb 0). You can also use lib$match_condition to match only
the identifying bits of a codition.
As far as these two, one is a shutdown of the network link and
one is a failure of the network link:
$ help/message linkdiscon
LINKDISCON, network partner disconnected logical link
Facility: SYSTEM, System Services
Explanation: The remote process disconnected the logical link. This is an
expected action.
User Action: None.
$ help/message connecfail
CONNECFAIL, connect to network object timed-out or failed
Facility: SYSTEM, System Services
Explanation: The remote node did not respond to the connection request.
User Action: If you are using DECdtm services in a Phase IV DECnet
environment, verify that the remote node is reachable and
try again.
If you are using DECdtm services in a DECnet-Plus network, do
one of the following:
o Verify that the remote node is reachable and try again.
o Make sure that the local node name is not identical to
another node name. For information about doing this, see
the DECdns Management manual.
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Date: 15 May 2007 14:04:47 -0400
From: Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com>
Subject: [OT] Re: Movie Promo for HP Partners Roundhouse in Nashua on Tuesday, May 22
Message-ID: <mddy7jqrmio.fsf_-_@panix5.panix.com>
John Santos <john@egh.com> writes:
> Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
>> Chris Scheers wrote:
>>> I think a more likely movie candidate would be "The Moon is a Harsh
>>> Mistress", because it is from Heinlein and the movie could have lots
>>> of explosions.
>> Who would you cast as "Mike"?
> Majel Barrett? :-)
More likely Julia Ormond. Remember that Mike has multiple personalities, and
the female is French (as described in a scene with Wyoming Knott).
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:31:54 -0400
From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Movie Promo for HP Partners Roundhouse in Nashua on Tuesday, May 2
Message-ID: <4649FC9A.3010000@comcast.net>
Rich Alderson wrote:
> John Santos <john@egh.com> writes:
>
>
>>Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
>>
>>>Chris Scheers wrote:
>>
>
>>>>I think a more likely movie candidate would be "The Moon is a Harsh
>>>>Mistress", because it is from Heinlein and the movie could have lots
>>>>of explosions.
>>>
>
>>>Who would you cast as "Mike"?
>>
>
>>Majel Barrett? :-)
>
>
> More likely Julia Ormond. Remember that Mike has multiple personalities, and
> the female is French (as described in a scene with Wyoming Knott).
>
ISTR that Mike's feminine alter eqo was Michelle!
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