INFO-VAX Mon, 07 May 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 249 Contents: Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Re: command file for use with sftp2 Re: Making LIB$*_VM_PAGE Caller's-mode safe Re: Multiple VAXcluster (SCS) ports Re: Multiple VAXcluster (SCS) ports New Skype 4.1 Alpha released for linux. SET CONF SMTP/QUEUES Re: SET CONF SMTP/QUEUES Re: SET CONF SMTP/QUEUES Re: Slightly OT:DS10L and router compatibility Re: Slightly OT:DS10L and router compatibility Re: Slightly OT:DS10L and router compatibility Re: Slightly OT:DS10L and router compatibility Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE) Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE) Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE) SYSMAN problem Re: SYSMAN problem ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 16:07:04 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Message-ID: <463E4378.E864E54B@spam.comcast.net> JF Mezei wrote: > > Since HP isn't willing to lift a finger to promote VMS, what if the user > community were to launch a jihad to promote VMS via the hobbyist programme ? > > We start telling popular news sites about it, make the CDs available for > download Fair chance to run afoul of HP, legally. > and promote the hell out of it, and use comp.os.vms as a > hobbyist support medium. I'd actually recommend a forum other than c.o.v. As we all know, the remaining denizens, while competent technologists, are also wont to expound profusely on any and all topics. Now, I'm as guilty as any; however, I'd recommend something with a better S/N ratio. > Now, if HP then turns around and tells us we can't do that, we also go > to the media and tell the world HP is unhappy with VMS being marketed. Given that HP is a major advertiser of a large cross section of the mainstream media, which publications/outltes would be likely to run the risk of incurring HP's wrath? > HP would have serious egg on its face. That's where HP seems to want to be in the o.s./enterprise space. I'm reminded of a scene with Michael Keaton and Gedde Watanabe(sp?) in the movie, "Gung Ho". Having both just emerged from the river, Keaton's character asks something to the effect of, "Don't you hate the feel of wet underwear?" and the other one says, "I actually kind of like it." > (especially when you look at how > Sun is making Solaris easy to get.) ...not to mention that Solaris runs on x86 (news:alt.solaris.x86), the most ubiquitous processor on the planet. > There are vendors out there (like the guy with british accent whose > secretary has a southern georgian accent :-) who have cheap Alphas. > > When you think about it, user-initiated marketing might be what is > needed because not only would it provide much needed marketing for VMS, > but it would also corner HP and force it to accept a popular VMS > operating system. Well, considering HP is currently the source of VMS, certain assumptions there seem a bit brash. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 18:09:22 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Message-ID: David J Dachtera wrote: > Fair chance to run afoul of HP, legally. Hence the use of the word "jihad". A battle to preserve, promote VMS against its lethargic owner. If we had the media's/IT community's ear, then HP would have to think twice before launching legal proceedings because that action would have a good chance of backfiring with public opinion turning against HP. Now, having on-line media is the current show stopper because HP's legal folks would then have a legitimate beef. But if we could get VMS management to agree to on-line media distribution for hobbyists, we would then have full potential to make as much noise as we could about the hobbyist programme outside of the VMS community. Or, we might be able to get Island to burn CDs and include them with those DS10Ls that are available are a fair price. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 18:33:01 -0400 From: "Neil Rieck" Subject: Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Message-ID: <463e4b26$0$16332$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "JF Mezei" wrote in message news:a3c3b$463e521d$cef8887a$24421@TEKSAVVY.COM... > David J Dachtera wrote: >> Fair chance to run afoul of HP, legally. > > > Hence the use of the word "jihad". A battle to preserve, promote VMS > against its lethargic owner. > Since Jihad means "holy war" maybe we should be using the word "Ijtihad" (ij-tee-had) which means "logical discussion and debate"? (or did you have "war" with HP management in mind? :-) NSR -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 18:58:27 -0400 From: "Neil Rieck" Subject: Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Message-ID: <463e511b$0$16381$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "David J Dachtera" wrote in message news:463E4378.E864E54B@spam.comcast.net... > JF Mezei wrote: >> >> Since HP isn't willing to lift a finger to promote VMS, what if the user >> community were to launch a jihad to promote VMS via the hobbyist >> programme ? >> >> We start telling popular news sites about it, make the CDs available for >> download > That would be illegal and not many people would be willing to break the law to compensate for corporate stupidity. HP needs to rethink "their" enterprise strategy. Maybe they don't know that developers can freely download quality Sun operating systems and compliers. With regard to my other thread "Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE)" I should point out that every Spring since 2003, I have been downloading and installing both Fedora Core (a.k.a. Red Hat Linux) and Sun-Solaris on my home PC. It's just that this year I was totally blown away by Sun's latest efforts and decided to pass the information on to my NG friends. Sun seems to have turned the corner and HP had better watch out. But let's not underestimate the contributions of Intel to Sun's recent success. My new Pentium-D is dual core, 64-bit, and supports XD (execute disable) so in many respects it is becoming very mini-computer like. Maybe OpenVMS ran like a dog on x86 way back when but today's x86-64 is a whole different animal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Pentium_D_microprocessors Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 23:17:43 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Message-ID: In article , JF Mezei writes: > David J Dachtera wrote: > > Fair chance to run afoul of HP, legally. > > Hence the use of the word "jihad". A battle to preserve, promote VMS > against its lethargic owner. > > If we had the media's/IT community's ear, then HP would have to think > twice before launching legal proceedings because that action would have > a good chance of backfiring with public opinion turning against HP. > > Now, having on-line media is the current show stopper because HP's legal > folks would then have a legitimate beef. But if we could get VMS > management to agree to on-line media distribution for hobbyists, we > would then have full potential to make as much noise as we could about > the hobbyist programme outside of the VMS community. > > Or, we might be able to get Island to burn CDs and include them with > those DS10Ls that are available are a fair price. If HP doesn't want to promote VMS the way you would like them to, why should they do to enable you to force them to promote VMS the way you would like them to? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 20:15:43 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Message-ID: <463E6FAF.1060206@comcast.net> Neil Rieck wrote: > > "JF Mezei" wrote in message > news:a3c3b$463e521d$cef8887a$24421@TEKSAVVY.COM... > >> David J Dachtera wrote: >> >>> Fair chance to run afoul of HP, legally. >> >> >> >> Hence the use of the word "jihad". A battle to preserve, promote VMS >> against its lethargic owner. >> > > Since Jihad means "holy war" maybe we should be using the word "Ijtihad" > (ij-tee-had) which means "logical discussion and debate"? (or did you > have "war" with HP management in mind? :-) > > NSR > > > "Jihad" does NOT mean "holy war". Its literal meaning is more like "struggle" in the sense that, say, giving up smoking can be a jihad. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 20:35:13 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Message-ID: <463E8251.87FA7276@spam.comcast.net> Neil Rieck wrote: > > "David J Dachtera" wrote in message > news:463E4378.E864E54B@spam.comcast.net... > > JF Mezei wrote: > >> > >> Since HP isn't willing to lift a finger to promote VMS, what if the user > >> community were to launch a jihad to promote VMS via the hobbyist > >> programme ? > >> > >> We start telling popular news sites about it, make the CDs available for > >> download > > > > That would be illegal and not many people would be willing to break the law > to compensate for corporate stupidity. > > HP needs to rethink "their" enterprise strategy. Maybe they don't know that > developers can freely download quality Sun operating systems and compliers. > > With regard to my other thread "Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE)" I should point > out that every Spring since 2003, I have been downloading and installing > both Fedora Core (a.k.a. Red Hat Linux) and Sun-Solaris on my home PC. It's > just that this year I was totally blown away by Sun's latest efforts and > decided to pass the information on to my NG friends. Sun seems to have > turned the corner and HP had better watch out. Sun and HP remain on more or less even footing until Sun gets Solaris on Intel to scale beyond VMS on GS1280. Until then, HP has the upper hand, IMO. > But let's not underestimate the contributions of Intel to Sun's recent > success. My new Pentium-D is dual core, 64-bit, and supports XD (execute > disable) so in many respects it is becoming very mini-computer like. Maybe > OpenVMS ran like a dog on x86 way back when but today's x86-64 is a whole > different animal. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Pentium_D_microprocessors The issue then was the effort required to overcome the architectural limitations of both the CPU and the hardware platform. "emerald" wasn't a must the way the Itanic port was; so, the more difficult aspects more easily scuttled the whole project. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 20:43:27 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Message-ID: <463E843F.3E26C526@spam.comcast.net> JF Mezei wrote: > > David J Dachtera wrote: > > Fair chance to run afoul of HP, legally. > > Hence the use of the word "jihad". A battle to preserve, promote VMS > against its lethargic owner. So long as HP controls VMS, its fate will remain sealed. > If we had the media's/IT community's ear, then HP would have to think > twice before launching legal proceedings because that action would have > a good chance of backfiring with public opinion turning against HP. Why would HP care about public opinion? The only opinion HP needs to care about is their stockholders - and possibly the SEC. > Now, having on-line media is the current show stopper because HP's legal > folks would then have a legitimate beef. But if we could get VMS > management to agree to on-line media distribution for hobbyists, we > would then have full potential to make as much noise as we could about > the hobbyist programme outside of the VMS community. > > Or, we might be able to get Island to burn CDs and include them with > those DS10Ls that are available are a fair price. Islandco need only sell official media with the machines. I see no reason (other than provable action by HP to prevent it) why they could not simply buy media kits, mark them up (slightly!) and sell them along with the machine. Plagiarizing OpenVMS media would, no doubt, destroy their existing partnership as a reseller of HP. Even in the after-market world where Alpha will live out its remaining days, months, years, ..., the risks are not justified. ...not to mention that this whole thread could be brought up in a meeting room at HP and be used as cause to shutdown what John W. worked so hard to establish! -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 21:48:14 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: command file for use with sftp2 Message-ID: In article <1178445291.095723.185990@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, Ian Miller writes: > did you quote the -B > ie. > > sftp2 "-B" ... I think I tried all combinations of upper and lower case, quoting the switch, the entire parameter, the entire string after the command etc. > What is the error message? None; it just doesn't do anything. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:16:03 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: Making LIB$*_VM_PAGE Caller's-mode safe Message-ID: Hi Ian, > What you are proposing appears to be technically a good idea but > where's the money in it? Dangling the carrot is certainly one tactic for opening the HP purse strings, and if it comes to the issue of bundling Tier3/hotTIP with VMS then I'll be prepared to go not only to PowerPoint presentations with revenue growth projections and a cool sound-track, but also to show-case the "carrot" on a bed of crushed-ice, next to the beach, accompanied by a cheeky bottle of sav. blanc! But that is not what I'm talking about here; what we're discussing is purely a case of "stick-side" economics. I have sought (and I can see absolutely no reason why I would not have been successful) to *compel* VMS engineering to create a project-code, cost-centre, (whatever they need to book time to) to fix several existing security holes with System Services. It is the ability to piggy-back my lib$*vm changes onto that Project Code that makes complete sense, is appealing to *any* pro-active engineer, and allows the bean-counters to use words such as synergy and change-consolidation. The regression-testing, the kitting, the shipping, are going to have to happen regardless, so why not seize on this opportunity to include a very small change to the LIB RTL at the same time? Dont forget that it is a change that would be made optional through the use of logical names; existing behaviour can be preserved for those who require it. Let's have a quick recap of the problems at hand that require immediate fixing. 1) The System Services reference manual says it is possible and supported to call sys$persona_create in Kernel Mode and that service calls lib$get_vm but does not warn that if you're creating an RTL then the LIB$*VM inventory is vulnerable and is a loaded gun whose kernel trigger you're about to pull. 2) LIB$GET_VM_PAGE was deliberately changed so as to hard-code PSL$C_USER for page ownership when calling $EXPREG. VMS Engineering knows very well (and has know for some time!) that people are calling lib$get_vm from inner-modes and also knows that, without my changes, the practice is unsafe. (Why was money allocated for that change Ian? Why are those arguments (customers/dollars) no longer valid?) 3) sys$getuai says "Here, look after this RMS IFI for me and make sure you give me back the same one, Ok?" I don't know what impact passing the IFI from another inner-mode File could possibly have on the correct operation of that second file, but the simple fact is this is just plain wrong! You *never* ask outer-mode code to be guardian of your inner-mode context. Why not now make the context global between $getuai and $setuai? It's about time someone finished those routines don't you think? 4) Neither SYS$CREATE_USER_PROFILE or SYS$CHECK_ACCESS Probe caller-access to the "context" parameter before passing it on to subsequent routines and ultimately SYS$GETUAI (for writing/corrupting). By the time it gets to $getuai PRVMOD is Exec Mode rather than User Mode so (depending on how many RMS files you'd like to open first) you can place a deterministic longword into Exec protected pages. These routines need to fully probe their own argument lists before passing them on to any other services. Anyway, don't take my word for it, just ask in the Bootcamp's Andy Goldstein session if I'm talking crap. Maybe Fred "She'll be right" Kleinsorge contends that it'll never happen and that the threat is too small to be worth worrying about? There was a time, not so long ago, on VMS where bugs like this got fixed. All I'm saying is, while the trench is open for one set of cables why not put my set of lib$*vm changes down thre with 'em? Cheers Richard Maher "Ian Miller" wrote in message news:1178196803.235672.39670@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... > I think you have a good technical case but I've not seen any argument > in terms of money. HP, like other large companies such as the one I am > employed by, are run by beancounters and management that follow > fashion. > > As VMS is not fashionable then there needs to be a business case based > on money. > > What you are proposing appears to be technically a good idea but > where's the money in it? > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 22:07:26 GMT From: Vance Haemmerle Subject: Re: Multiple VAXcluster (SCS) ports Message-ID: <463E5FCD.3080302@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US> Volker Halle wrote: > Vance, > > depending on the version of OpenVMS VAX running, you could check with > MC SCACP SHOW CHANNEL or SHOW LAN_DEVICE. > > On older versions, you would need to use ANAL/SYS > > SDA> SHOW PORT > SDA> SHOW PORT/ADDR=PE_PDT/VC/CHAN > > and look for the 'preferred channel'. I don't see a preferred channel listed. Each channel has a load class of 100 and priority of 0. > > OpenVMS should find the 'faster' channel and use it. Newer versions > can split traffic over all available channels. You could also manually > control, which channel is being used by using priorities with SCACP. When I run it on VMS 7.3, both are listed with Line speed of 10. > > Volker. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 00:56:28 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: Multiple VAXcluster (SCS) ports Message-ID: Vance Haemmerle writes: >Volker Halle wrote: >> Vance, >> >> depending on the version of OpenVMS VAX running, you could check with >> MC SCACP SHOW CHANNEL or SHOW LAN_DEVICE. >> >> On older versions, you would need to use ANAL/SYS >> >> SDA> SHOW PORT >> SDA> SHOW PORT/ADDR=PE_PDT/VC/CHAN >> >> and look for the 'preferred channel'. > I don't see a preferred channel listed. Each channel has a load class >of 100 and priority of 0. >> >> OpenVMS should find the 'faster' channel and use it. Newer versions >> can split traffic over all available channels. You could also manually >> control, which channel is being used by using priorities with SCACP. >When I run it on VMS 7.3, both are listed with Line speed of 10. VMS will use both ports, and when it figures out one of them has a better response or lower error rate, it will favor it. I'd expect you to see it using both ports, but the 100M port much more heavily. ------------------------------ Date: 6 May 2007 16:27:56 -0700 From: foziabeshre@yahoo.com Subject: New Skype 4.1 Alpha released for linux. Message-ID: <1178494076.796292.136700@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Skype 4.1 Alpha has been released for linux users. It has all the usual features but some has unresolved bugs. http://www.speedateauction.com/blog/blog_detail?blog_id=74315&user_id=1356 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 22:14:36 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: SET CONF SMTP/QUEUES Message-ID: SET CONFIGURATION SMTP /QUEUES /QUEUES=n Optional. Default: 1. Number of execution queues for the specified nodes. Use this qualifier only on nodes that own the SMTP queues - that is, nodes not using clusterwide SMTP queues or managing SMTP clusterwide queues for other nodes. Apart from the obvious question---what's the purpose of having a generic queue with only 1 execution queue---does anyone have this set to a number higher than 1? I've been seeing this recently: SMTP_RECV_MAIL: getpeername failed: vaxc$errno: %SYSTEM-F-NOLINKS, maximum network logical links exceeded It is on ALPHA despite vaxc$errno. Could increasing the number of queues help? Do I need to increase the number of logical links as well? If so, how? A possibly related question: After an unplanned cluster reboot (one VAX, which hosts one of the members of an important disk, spontaneously rebooted a few times and put the shadow set (the whole thing, not a member) into mount verification and a cluster reboot was the only way out), I have a job stuck in an SMTP queue on the one ALPHA in the cluster (which also has the TCPIP cluster alias, so that I can use more anti-spam features than are possible on VAX). I don't know why it is stuck and the obvious ways to get rid of it don't work. Would an additional queue here be of any help? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 19:53:55 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: SET CONF SMTP/QUEUES Message-ID: Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > Apart from the obvious question---what's the purpose of having a generic > queue with only 1 execution queue---does anyone have this set to a > number higher than 1? In my case, I have define the generic queues on nodes velo and bike to point to the execution queue on node chain. The TCPIP software still insists on having an execution queue on VELO and BIKE, but those are never used. Sending SMTP emails on BIKE or VELO results in the symbiont on CHAIN processing the message. Unfortunatly, SET CONF SMTP/QUEUES does not accept a value of 0. It would be logical to have all workstations have a value of 0 and have any outbound mail processed by a central SMTP server queue. The general structure is there, but the management commands don't seem to support this. > SMTP_RECV_MAIL: getpeername failed: vaxc$errno: %SYSTEM-F-NOLINKS, > maximum network logical links exceeded This would have nothing to do with the queues. This is related to DNS queries. HELP/MESSAGE %SYSTEM-F-NOLINKS discusses only DECNET with NCP (so it is rather dated). What you can do is to limit the number of concurrent receivers. ($TCPIP SET SERVICE SMTP/LIMIT=5 for instance). > It is on ALPHA despite vaxc$errno. That is because of a huge secret nobody knows about: inside every alpha CPU s actually a VAX cpu :-) > anti-spam features than are possible on VAX). I don't know why it is > stuck and the obvious ways to get rid of it don't work. Would an > additional queue here be of any help? It might allow you to bypass the stuck queue and get messages processed by the new second queue while the first one remains in "stuck" state. I think the original intent of having many queues was for performance reasons when you have very high load of messages. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 20:51:34 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: SET CONF SMTP/QUEUES Message-ID: <463E8626.9BCAB530@spam.comcast.net> Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > > SET > > CONFIGURATION > > SMTP > > /QUEUES > > /QUEUES=n > > Optional. Default: 1. > > Number of execution queues for the specified nodes. > > Use this qualifier only on nodes that own the SMTP queues - that > is, nodes not using clusterwide SMTP queues or managing SMTP > clusterwide queues for other nodes. > > Apart from the obvious question---what's the purpose of having a generic > queue with only 1 execution queue---does anyone have this set to a > number higher than 1? > > I've been seeing this recently: > > SMTP_RECV_MAIL: getpeername failed: vaxc$errno: %SYSTEM-F-NOLINKS, > maximum network logical links exceeded > > It is on ALPHA despite vaxc$errno. > > Could increasing the number of queues help? > > Do I need to increase the number of logical links as well? If so, how? See the help for SYSCONFIG: $ UCX TCPIP> HELP SYSCONFIG ..., especially for "-r socket somaxconn" and related parameters. You may need to refer to the on-line documentation or the hard-copy documentation as the on-line HELP does not list all the modifiable parameters. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: 6 May 2007 11:11:06 -0700 From: H Vlems Subject: Re: Slightly OT:DS10L and router compatibility Message-ID: <1178475066.053280.242180@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On 5 mei, 10:31, "Gremlin" wrote: > I have a DS10L happily running behind a Netgear router - port 80 forwarding > from the router to the DS10L - all good for about the last 3 years. > > Because of VoIP issues, I need to change the router and there isn't a > Netgear available that will do VPN, VoIP and QoS, so I now have a Billion > 7404VGO-M. The problem is, on the Billion router, I can forward port 80 to > any server *except* the DS10L - I have pushed it to various Windoze servers > and it works fine, but as soon as I point it to the DS10L - nothing. > > Replacing the Billion with the Netgear makes everything work as usual, > except I don't get VoIP operating properly due to QoS issues. > > So, anyone have some suggestions? Billion are no help, have already > reflashed/upgraded/swore at the router etc. Key point seems to be, port 80 > to anything *except* the DS10L is fine on the Billion, port80 to the DS10L > is fine on the Netgear, so..... What IP network do you use on the internal LAN? If it's 10.0.0.0 (or 172.16.0.0) you might want to compare the mask used on both routers. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 15:50:07 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Slightly OT:DS10L and router compatibility Message-ID: <463E3F7F.69698FF0@spam.comcast.net> JF Mezei wrote: > > David J Dachtera wrote: > > I'm with Peter. If the DS10L's ARP cache hasn't expired, flush it and try again. > > You'd also need to flush the router's arp cache. Gremlin wrote: > [snip] > - haven't cleared APR cache on the DS10L, but the router's ARP cache shows > the MAC of the DS10L -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 12:34:00 +1000 From: "Gremlin" Subject: Re: Slightly OT:DS10L and router compatibility Message-ID: <133t40se4e78f1f@corp.supernews.com> Many thanks for everyone's suggestions. It appears that an unlikely combination of suggestions has partially worked - and I don't know why. So, I checked the connections, could ping outside the local network from the DS10L, cleared the ARP cache - no joy from any of these. Finally, pretended it wasn't VMS and rebooted it. System came back up and was now accessible - perhaps a restart of TCPIP would have been enough - but I only connect to the box via telnet, so reboot it was. I had imagined that VMS/TCPIP was able to cope with a change like that - clearly the ARP clearing had no effect because I could ping the router and ping outside, just not get the router to forward to the DS10L successfully. Now it does and all I dod was reboot VMS - so perhaps the culprit in somewhere in VMS/HP TCPIP? Cheers "Gremlin" wrote in message news:133og6mvosa54c@corp.supernews.com... >I have a DS10L happily running behind a Netgear router - port 80 forwarding >from the router to the DS10L - all good for about the last 3 years. > > Because of VoIP issues, I need to change the router and there isn't a > Netgear available that will do VPN, VoIP and QoS, so I now have a Billion > 7404VGO-M. The problem is, on the Billion router, I can forward port 80 > to any server *except* the DS10L - I have pushed it to various Windoze > servers and it works fine, but as soon as I point it to the DS10L - > nothing. > > Replacing the Billion with the Netgear makes everything work as usual, > except I don't get VoIP operating properly due to QoS issues. > > So, anyone have some suggestions? Billion are no help, have already > reflashed/upgraded/swore at the router etc. Key point seems to be, port > 80 to anything *except* the DS10L is fine on the Billion, port80 to the > DS10L is fine on the Netgear, so..... > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:00:24 +1000 From: "Gremlin" Subject: Re: Slightly OT:DS10L and router compatibility Message-ID: <133tcj9fgqhea7d@corp.supernews.com> Hi Default route exisited - new router was same IP address, an ARp showed VMS had the new MAC address, but RIP may have been confused I suppose - can't tell now! "JF Mezei" wrote in message news:448d2$463ea6b8$cef8887a$2636@TEKSAVVY.COM... > Gremlin wrote: >> Now it does and all I dod was reboot VMS - so perhaps the culprit in >> somewhere in VMS/HP TCPIP? > > > Perhaps your routing table was off. > > ($TCPIP SHOW ROUTE ) > > When you switched your routers, did the new router have the same IP > address as the old one ? > > Had you programmed a default route on the VMS system ? > > $ tcpip show route > DYNAMIC > Type Destination Gateway > AN 0.0.0.0 10.0.0.1 > > > If not, it may have picked up default route from the router via protocols > such as RIP, OPSF etc, and might have been confused. ------------------------------ Date: 6 May 2007 11:01:10 -0700 From: Rambo Subject: Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE) Message-ID: <1178474470.667999.109560@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> > but while I was asking HP about Hobbyist HP-UX, I put in an order for my > free Solaris medium kit. That's $0, plus $0 S&H. It (three DVD-ROMs in > a nice box) arrived a few days later, sooner than I could get a firm > "no" from HP on HP-UX. Likewise, the HP-UX product manager is a real pinhead, BSC people though were very nice. I finally sticked tongue at HP-UX product manager, firmly asked to pass the rant about "people who turn into IT professionals- you'll be wondering who's gonna do the decision-making stuff" (I know I'll throw HP guy, offering me a server, out the window :), and mind you: I'm network admin in one of University of Warsaw institutes). Bought Foundation OE for 19 bucks (opened, original media), my three ws' are my license, so they can get screwed. Rambo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 14:21:51 -0400 From: "Neil Rieck" Subject: Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE) Message-ID: <463e1048$0$16365$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "JF Mezei" wrote in message news:aabae$463e090f$cef8887a$15052@TEKSAVVY.COM... [...snip...] > > > This can only mean that HP has no real interest in "enterprise" operating > systems. > It's funny you mention this because I just bought this brand new (but really inexpensive) Compaq Presario to install Solaris-11. This is the first time I've "personally" bought something from DEC/Compaq/HP and they really seemed to do a good job offering things like "an upgrade to Vista" and "a 90-day MS-Office trial" during the Compaq registration process. HPQ always envied Dell's success and now they must have be saying their prayers because they seem to have become a commodity PC company. Always go for the low hanging fruit I guess. (which makes me wonder "why IBM transferred all that low margin PC crap to Lenovo while keeping the Enterprise business for themselves"? Hmmm...) Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 15:53:52 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE) Message-ID: <463E4060.B12DCEB2@spam.comcast.net> Neil Rieck wrote: > [snip] > During all this I kept > asking myself "what is HP doing to promote OpenVMS?" Pushing UX, as evidenced by comments to me from executive-level management of multiple ISVs. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 23:19:49 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: SYSMAN problem Message-ID: From node A I can execute commands via SYSMAN on nodes A, B and C (all are in a cluster). However, from nodes B and C, commands can be executed only on nodes B and C, not on node A, which gives: %SYSMAN-I-NODERR, error returned from node A -SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachable The SMI server is running on node A. Any ideas? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 20:52:39 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: SYSMAN problem Message-ID: <463E8667.11679E04@spam.comcast.net> Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > > From node A I can execute commands via SYSMAN on nodes A, B and C (all > are in a cluster). However, from nodes B and C, commands can be > executed only on nodes B and C, not on node A, which gives: > > %SYSMAN-I-NODERR, error returned from node A > -SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachable > > The SMI server is running on node A. > > Any ideas? Try: $ TYPE A::NL: ...and see if it returns a similar result. If so, troubleshoot DECnet. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.249 ************************