INFO-VAX Thu, 03 May 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 241 Contents: Re: BASIC problem calling LIB$ RTL Re: BASIC problem calling LIB$ RTL Re: BASIC problem calling LIB$ RTL Re: BASIC problem calling LIB$ RTL Re: BASIC problem calling LIB$ RTL Re: BASIC problem calling LIB$ RTL Re: BASIC problem calling LIB$ RTL Re: Bob's brain missing. Was Re: Noahs ark found! Re: CC and stdlib.h Re: Disk Partitions Re: Disk Partitions Re: Free email account VMSUSER.COM List of VMS command file .COM domain names (was: Free email account VMSUSER.COM Re: Multiple VAXcluster (SCS) ports Re: OpenVMS Advanced Technical Boot Camp Attendance update Re: OT: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? Re: OT: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? Re: OT: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? OT: Putting a cease to Off-Topic Messages Re: Putting a cease to Off-Topic Messages Re: Putting a cease to Off-Topic Messages Re: Putting a cease to Off-Topic Messages Re: SIMH default boot device (was Re: SIMH Ethernet problem) Re: SIMH default boot device (was Re: SIMH Ethernet problem) Re: SIMH Ethernet problem Re: SSH Keys for a heterogeneous Environment WEBES 451 will only install on ODS-5 disk Re: WEBES 451 will only install on ODS-5 disk RE: WEBES 451 will only install on ODS-5 disk Re: [OT] Neocons destroying America ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 18:25:15 -0400 From: John Sauter Subject: Re: BASIC problem calling LIB$ RTL Message-ID: Well, I'm not a Macro-32 programmer, but I did write the VAX BASIC run-time library (in Bliss) and it still occupies a warm place in my heart, 30 years later, so I will try to answer. The error message you saw is from the VAX BASIC run-time library, in particular the part that sets up the frame. It has detected that the number of arguments passed to the VAX BASIC subroutine is not equal to the number that the subroutine was expecting to receive. Now I realize that you have declared the subroutine to have three arguments, and the caller is passing three arguments. I can only conclude that there must be a hidden argment, such as a return value. Fire up your debugger and step into the VAX BASIC code, including the part where it calls the run-time library to set up its frame. The code isn't very complex. John Sauter (J_Sauter@Empire.Net) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 10:11:24 +1000 From: Jim Duff Subject: Re: BASIC problem calling LIB$ RTL Message-ID: <463928ac$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > I'm not a BASIC programmer. Can somebody take a look at this and tell me > why calling LIB$RENAME_FILE returns %BAS-F-TOOFEWARG. The equivalent code > in Macro works. > > > === Begin: DESCRIP.MMS ================================== > .IFDEF DEBUG > MFLAGS = $(MFLAGS)/NOOPTIMIZE/DEBUG > BASFLAGS = $(BASFLAGS)/NOOPTIMIZE/DEBUG > LINKFLAGS = $(LINKFLAGS)/DEBUG > .ENDIF > > RF.EXE : MAIN.OBJ,RF.OBJ > LINK$(LINKFLAGS)/EXECUTABLE=$(MMS$TARGET) $(MMS$SOURCE_LIST) > > MAIN.OBJ : MAIN.MAR > > .IFDEF MAC > RF.OBJ : RF.MAR > .ELSE > RF.OBJ : RF.BAS > .ENDIF > === End: DESCRIP.MMS ==================================== > > > === Begin: MAIN.MAR ===================================== > $DSCDEF > $LIB$ROUTINESDEF > > .PSECT DATA,WRT,NOEXE,5 > FROM: .ASCID "OLDFILE.TXT" > .ALIGN LONG > TO: .ASCID "NEWFILE.TXT" > .ALIGN LONG > RESULT: .LONG >!- > >,0 > > .PSECT CODE,NOWRT,EXE,5 > .ENTRY GO,0 > PUSHAB RESULT > PUSHAB TO > PUSHAB FROM > CALLS #3,RENAME_FILE > > $LIB_PUT_OUTPUT_S - > MESSAGE_STRING=RESULT > > RET > .END GO > === End: MAIN.MAR ======================================= > > === Begin: RF.BAS ======================================= > %TITLE 'DEMO' > %IDENT 'V1.0' > > SUB RENAME_FILE(STRING FROM$,TO$,RESULT$) > EXTERNAL LONG FUNCTION LIB$RENAME_FILE > EXTERNAL LONG FUNCTION RENAME_ERROR > DECLARE LONG S% > S%=LIB$RENAME_FILE(FROM$,TO$, , , , ,RENAME_ERROR, , , ,RESULT$, ) > RESULT$=FROM$ UNLESS S% AND 1% > END SUB > > FUNCTION LONG RENAME_ERROR(STRING OLD$,NEW$,LONG STS%,STV%,SOURCE%,USER%) > RENAME_ERROR=STS% > END FUNCTION > === End: RF.BAS ========================================= > > === Begin: RF.MAR ======================================= > $LIB$ROUTINESDEF > > ;++ > .SBTTL Primitive program datum definitions > ;-- > ZERO = 0 ; |_ > BYTE = 1@0 ; |_|_ > WORD = 1@1 ; |___|___ > LONG = 1@2 ; |_______|_______ > QUAD = 1@3 ; |_______________|_______________ > OCTA = 1@4 ; |_______________|_______________| > PAGE = 1@9 ; VAX page ; Alpha & IA64 Pagelet > BLOCK= 1@9 ; Standard disk block size > > > $OFFSET 0,POSITIVE,<- > ,- > ,- > ,- > ,- > ,- > ,- > ,- > ,- > ,- > ,- > ,- > ,- > ,- > ,- > > > > $OFFSET LONG,POSITIVE,<- > ,- > ,- > ,- > > > > .ENTRY RENAME_FILE,^M > SUBL2 #LENGTH,SP > MOVC5 #0,#0,#0,#LENGTH,(SP) > MOVL #-1,ARGCNT(SP) > MOVL FROM(AP),OLDNAM(SP) > MOVL TO(AP),NEWNAM(SP) > MOVL RESULT(AP),NEWRES(SP) > CALLG (SP),LIB$RENAME_FILE > RET > > > $OFFSET LONG,POSITIVE,<- > ,- > ,- > ,- > ,- > ,- > ,- > > > > .ENTRY RENAME_ERROR,0 > MOVL STS(AP),R0 > RET > .END > === End: RF.MAR ========================================= > You need to change the call to LIB$RENAME_FILE to look like: S%=LIB$RENAME_FILE(FROM$,TO$, , , , ,LOC(RENAME_ERROR), , , ,RESULT$, ) Just as an aside, I'd add an OPTION TYPE=EXPLICIT into the BASIC code as well and include lib$routines like so: %INCLUDE "LIB$ROUTINES" %FROM %LIBRARY "SYS$LIBRARY:BASIC$STARLET.TLB" Cheers, Jim. -- www.eight-cubed.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 01:07:51 GMT From: "Jeffrey H. Coffield" Subject: Re: BASIC problem calling LIB$ RTL Message-ID: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > I'm not a BASIC programmer. Can somebody take a look at this and tell me > why calling LIB$RENAME_FILE returns %BAS-F-TOOFEWARG. The equivalent code > in Macro works. > Why not this? NAME FROM$ AS TO$ Also declaring all variables and compiling with /TYPE:EXPLICIT will catch a lot of problems. Jeff Coffield ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 01:19:40 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: BASIC problem calling LIB$ RTL Message-ID: <00A67088.0EF460F3@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , John Sauter writes: > > >Well, I'm not a Macro-32 programmer, but I did write the VAX BASIC >run-time library (in Bliss) and it still occupies a warm place in my >heart, 30 years later, so I will try to answer. > >The error message you saw is from the VAX BASIC run-time library, >in particular the part that sets up the frame. It has detected that >the number of arguments passed to the VAX BASIC subroutine >is not equal to the number that the subroutine was expecting to >receive. > >Now I realize that you have declared the subroutine to have three >arguments, and the caller is passing three arguments. I can only >conclude that there must be a hidden argment, such as a return >value. Fire up your debugger and step into the VAX BASIC code, >including the part where it calls the run-time library to set up its >frame. The code isn't very complex. > John Sauter (J_Sauter@Empire.Net) Not. The error was most definitely on the call to LIB$RENAME_FILE. What I did was to boil the code I posted down to the bare essentials. I found the problem later today when I started paring down the argument list passed to LIB$RENAME_FILE. This is code I was handed and apparently has worked for eons or the customer just never exercised this particular part of the code. The RENAME_ERROR routine needed to be passed using the LOC() function. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 01:21:47 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: BASIC problem calling LIB$ RTL Message-ID: <00A67088.5A7DE902@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , "Jeffrey H. Coffield" writes: > > >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> I'm not a BASIC programmer. Can somebody take a look at this and tell me >> why calling LIB$RENAME_FILE returns %BAS-F-TOOFEWARG. The equivalent code >> in Macro works. >> > >Why not this? > > NAME FROM$ AS TO$ > >Also declaring all variables and compiling with /TYPE:EXPLICIT will >catch a lot of problems. > >Jeff Coffield Again, I'm not a BASIC programmer and, as you have pointed out, neither was the person that authored this code. The %BAS-F-TOOFEWARG is misleading error. The problem was that a routine entry point was improperly passed to the LIB$RENAME_FILE RTL. I used the LOC() and fixed the problem. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 01:23:51 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: BASIC problem calling LIB$ RTL Message-ID: <00A67088.A496D9ED@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article <463928ac$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, Jim Duff writes: {...snip...} > S%=LIB$RENAME_FILE(FROM$,TO$, , , , ,LOC(RENAME_ERROR), , , ,RESULT$, ) Thanks Jim, I figured this out after I made my original post. The BASIC error code was misleading. How have you been? I hope you haven't had any more bicycle mishaps since our last meetup. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 13:00:00 +1000 From: Jim Duff Subject: Re: BASIC problem calling LIB$ RTL Message-ID: <46395030$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <463928ac$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, Jim Duff writes: > {...snip...} > >> S%=LIB$RENAME_FILE(FROM$,TO$, , , , ,LOC(RENAME_ERROR), , , ,RESULT$, ) > > Thanks Jim, I figured this out after I made my original post. The BASIC > error code was misleading. > > How have you been? I hope you haven't had any more bicycle mishaps since > our last meetup. > I've been good, thanks. And thank you no, no bike mishaps :-) Cheers, Jim. -- www.eight-cubed.com ------------------------------ Date: 2 May 2007 15:28:44 -0700 From: Agent Jones Subject: Re: Bob's brain missing. Was Re: Noahs ark found! Message-ID: <1178144924.832467.250730@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On Apr 30, 9:13 am, Dirk Munk wrote: > It may be that the story of Noah originated from > the flooding of theBlack Seabassin. > That happened thousands of years ago, and > traces of habbitation have been found > on the bottom of theBlack Sea. > It may well be that this event lived on in > the memory of the people in that area.- Dirk Munk: It was not on the bottom of the Black Sea, but in about 100 metres of water on the Turkish continental shelf, that Ballard claimed to have found a "habitation site". However, there was no real indication that what he found was not a shipwreck, and wood taken from the site dated to Napoleon's time. Ballard later admitted that he had not found the "smoking gun" evidence of a Noachian flood there. If the Black Sea did flood, it happened a millennium before Ballard thought that it had. There is no clear evidence of a catastrophic flooding of the Black sea basin. If you want more info and scientific references, I can supply them. - Daryl Krupa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 01:44:31 GMT From: "Ed Vogel" Subject: Re: CC and stdlib.h Message-ID: <38b_h.7571$Hd1.2331@trndny07> "RandyG271" wrote in message news:1177959359.889198.164430@c35g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > > #include > > where is the stdlib.h found? CC is set as follows... > Randy, One way to find out would be to compile /LIST/SHOW=INCLUDE. This will produce a .LIS file that contains all the included files. At the top of each page of the .LIS file is a two-line header. The second line will include information about the "current" source. So, if you find the part of the listing that corresponds to the stdlib.h file, you should be able to find where the compiler found it. As others have said, this is most likely a text library module. Hope this helps, Ed Vogel HP/Compaq/DEC C/C++ Engineering. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 14:10:31 -0400 From: Bill Todd Subject: Re: Disk Partitions Message-ID: B. Z. Lederman wrote: ... > I certainly have found mult-boot environments useful, and at > this moment have an Alpha that boots either OpenVMS or Linux. > I've done a number of systems like this before, at least one of > which booted OpenVMS, Linux (two flavors), and Tru64. However, > you REALLY don't want to put them on the same disk drive. I > can't think of any really good reason to put multiple Operating > Systems on a single disk drive, and I can think of lots of good > reasons not to. Well, I put multiple OSs on a single disk drive on every one of our home PCs, because that avoids the need for as many disks as there are OS instances and the need to go into the BIOS to switch OSs (you just change the active partition, reboot, and voila). This allows me to use a single additional (removable) drive to back up all the partitions on the first drive, too. Having common access from the multiple OSs to the additional data-only partitions on the disk is also convenient (and, at least with Windows, separating out the data partitions from the OS partition gives me a little more peace of mind). Virtualizing OSs makes such practices even easier (no need even to reboot); perhaps you missed the significant industry-wide interest in this mechanism. Hell, it can just be convenient to have a small second instance of the *same* OS on a disk for doing some operations on your primary OS instance that are more easily and/or quickly done if it's not the active OS. So I guess your imagination could be described as somewhat limited. - bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 02:16:06 +0800 From: Paul Repacholi Subject: Re: Disk Partitions Message-ID: <877irr147t.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com> "Cross Michael C Mr CIV USAF 53 CSS/SCN" writes: > Can disks be partitioned in OpenVMS like disks are partitioned in > UNIX? No. VMS can count above 2^16 blocks, so has never needed to. > If so, do you take a performance hit? VMS doesn't, with unix IO it is just another speed hump. ------------------------------ Date: 02 May 2007 18:35:31 GMT From: Doc Subject: Re: Free email account VMSUSER.COM Message-ID: "David Turner, Island Computers" wrote in news:133h7qcepn0ar65@news.supernews.com: > We own VMSUSER.COM > > If anyone would like a free webmail account (you would create a password > once set up) you are welcome to it > We have some good bandwidth so let me know Dave, if you want island@openvms-rocks.com we can give you that. ;-) I'm also happy to do firstname.lastname@openvms-rocks.com for anyone who registers an account on Deathrow. Mail can be collected via POP3 or webmail. Doc. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 17:14:45 -0800 From: "C.W.Holeman II" Subject: List of VMS command file .COM domain names (was: Free email account VMSUSER.COM Message-ID: <133idqs3vrncda2@corp.supernews.com> Doc wrote: > "David Turner, Island Computers" wrote in > news:133h7qcepn0ar65@news.supernews.com: > >> We own VMSUSER.COM Does anyone have a list VMS command file .COM domain names like: SYS$STARTUP.COM TCPIP$PWIP_DRIVER_STARTUP.COM -- C.W.Holeman II | cwhii@Julian5Locals.com-5 http://JulianLocals.com/cwhii To only a fraction of the human race does God give the privilege of earning one's bread doing what one would have gladly pursued free, for passion. I am very thankful. The Mythical Man-Month Epilogue/F.P.Brooks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 18:38:52 -0600 From: "news.hp.com" Subject: Re: Multiple VAXcluster (SCS) ports Message-ID: Vance Haemmerle wrote: > I have a VAXstation 4000/96 with a Nemonix 100Mbit Ethernet card. > It's the only computer in my network with two active ethernet interfaces > which are on the same Lan. The others are either 10 or 100. > Does it > hurt performance if SCS uses both the 10Mbit and 100Mbit ports? No, and it may help. But beware: if you are running DECnet Phase IV, that software will change the MAC address of both LAN adapters to the same AA-00-04-00-yy-xx MAC address value (based on the DECnet address) and if both LAN adapters are connected to the same LAN that can cause performance problems. > Might > it try to send traffic over the 10Mbit port to an Alpha with a 100Mbit > port? That's possible. PEDRIVER looks for and prefers links with lower latency, lower packet loss, and larger packet size potential. SHOW_PATHS_ECS.COM from the V6 Freeware CD directory [KP_CLUSTERTOOLS] will display the paths and which one(s) are in PEDRIVER's Equivalent Channel Set at any given point in time. > It makes two circuit connections to all the other cluster > members. Are both interfaces given the same weight? Since both 10-megabit and 100-megabit Ethernet have the same packet-size maximum of around 1500, preference will be based on latency (and packet loss, if that's occurring). If you had, for example, Gigabit Ethernet with Jumbo Packets enabled, that would be preferred over Fast or 10-megabit Ethernet. ------------------------------ Date: 2 May 2007 17:16:22 -0700 From: Sue Subject: Re: OpenVMS Advanced Technical Boot Camp Attendance update Message-ID: <1178151382.335146.44380@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On Apr 30, 9:30 pm, Sue wrote: > Dear Newsgroup, > > I sent the attached out earlier today the number of available seats is > now under 50 but I wanted to keep you posted and I also have to add > Australia as a country on the list we also have a person coming from > Malysia but they have not officially registered yet. > > Sue > > ---------------------- > Dear Distribution lists, > > I am pleased to send you the following Boot Camp update. > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/symposium/index.html > > Please note that the hotel registration has been extended until May > 10th. > > ****All Pre Week Seminars are full. > > Current Boot Camp Stats are as follows > > Available Seats > 55 out of 200 remaining this includes 5 outstanding scholarships that > have not been awarded yet. > > If you wonder if you are registered just send me email. > > Countries Represented (in no order) > > Spain 1 > Hungary 1 > Greece 1 > Germany 11 > Netherlands 7 > Sweden 15 > England 5 > Ireland 1 > Canada 6 > France 1 (I know that there are 2 but there is a problem with the > registration) Austria 3 Belgium 1 US all the rest > > Attendees: Please note if you are traveling from Europe: > > Be sure you check the pricing for flights to Boston as well as to > Manchester. Otherwise you might not only spend an extra nine hours > traveling and waiting for a connection, but you could also spend more > than $200 above the price of a non-stop flight to Boston just to see > another airport. Many of the airlines seem to route folks through > Philadelphia and Washington DC which is not even close and include for > the extra $200 a few extra hours in the airport. > > Dress is casual for this event - blue jeans and a shirt are fine > > Sue Just keeping folks updated we are down to 38 available seats this is so cool, if my guess is correct we are running about 40% new attendees. Sue ------------------------------ Date: 02 May 2007 18:27:02 GMT From: Doc Subject: Re: OT: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? Message-ID: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote in news:59rjgsF2lbqjrU2 @mid.individual.net: > In article <1178111178.087330.113690@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, > davidc@montagar.com writes: >> On May 2, 7:21 am, Ian Miller wrote: >>> Bladerunner - although how that could be used in a VMS promo I don't >>> know. >> >> Windows is just a replicant of OpenVMS... > > Well, they could always have Decker being sent out to terminate Blue > Men. :-) I've not seen one movie mentioned that I didn't enjoy watching, but Bladerunner was always one of my favourites. Like 2001 it is one of these movies that benefits from also having read the book. Doc. ------------------------------ Date: 2 May 2007 13:30:46 -0700 From: davidc@montagar.com Subject: Re: OT: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? Message-ID: <1178137846.527451.297350@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On May 2, 8:24 am, sol gongola wrote: > In an promo showing the ability to host different > operating environments concurrently (aka galaxy). Galaxy Quest! Adventures of the VMSNA Protectorate. Subtitled in Thermian. How much to get Signourney Weaver to the event? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 20:08:58 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: OT: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? Message-ID: <4639362A.3FC87563@spam.comcast.net> davidc@montagar.com wrote: > [snip] > Of course, I also have a personal affection for the movie "Wizards"... "Master loves Larry! Master feeds Larry!" -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 23:17:20 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: OT: Putting a cease to Off-Topic Messages Message-ID: <3d132$46395494$cef8887a$19589@TEKSAVVY.COM> Stanley F. Quayle wrote: > Just as long as they put "OT" in the subject, my mail system will > automatically junk it. Stanley, I am your father Sorry you won't see this life changing message. :-) ;-) :-) :-) :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 14:13:40 -0400 From: Bill Todd Subject: Re: Putting a cease to Off-Topic Messages Message-ID: Barry.Treahy@EmersonNetworkPower.com wrote: > Is anyone else getting as annoyed, as I am, with the drastic increase of off-topic (read: non-VMS) related discussions over the past months? > > Noah's Ark > Favorite Movies > Bob's missing brain > Faked Moon landings > > Come on folks; put the chat somewhere else as it doesn't belong here... > > Just my two cents... Your two cents would better have been contributed to the extensive discussion in this area that occurred not long ago. If you missed it, perhaps visiting it now will help bring you up to date on where things stand. - bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 15:47:55 -0400 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" Subject: Re: Putting a cease to Off-Topic Messages Message-ID: <4638B2AB.15025.1050CA0E@squayle.insight.rr.com> On 2 May 2007 at 13:42, Barry.Treahy@EmersonNetworkPower.com wrote: > Is anyone else getting as annoyed, as I am, with the drastic increase > of off-topic (read: non-VMS) related discussions over the past months? Just as long as they put "OT" in the subject, my mail system will automatically junk it. I'm not annoyed, just disappointed. --Stan Quayle Quayle Consulting Inc. ---------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ Toll free: 1-888-I-LUV-VAX 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH 43147 USA stan-at-stanq-dot-com http://www.stanq.com/charon-vax.html "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 00:00:55 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Putting a cease to Off-Topic Messages Message-ID: In article <63A4454BFCE1C048B2683DBB63A3633301823DEC@ETP-CIN-US-EX01.etp1.com>, writes: >Is anyone else getting as annoyed, as I am, with the drastic increase of = >off-topic (read: non-VMS) related discussions over the past months? > > Noah's Ark > Favorite Movies > Bob's missing brain > Faked Moon landings > Well the Favourite Movies was flagged as OT but was somewhat on topic anyway :- " So, what are your top three favorite movies, VMSophiles? We need a promo for the upcoming HP Partners Roundhouse in Nashua, and we would love your input. Thanks! " Noahs Ark found, Moon Landings faked and Bob's brain missing all appear to be pretty much the same discussion. Though looking at the discussion on google it doesn't appear that anyone who changed it's subject ever thought to put OT in the subject. Since I contributed to that discussion myself I apologise for not noticing that sooner and making that change myself. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University PS. Is the disclaimer at the end of your post supposed to be an ironic comment on such disclaimers or do you really not want anyone to read your posting to a public newsgroup ? >Come on folks; put the chat somewhere else as it doesn't belong here... > >Just my two cents... > >Barry Treahy, Jr =20 >Vice President/CIO >Midwest Microwave, Inc. >Emerson Network Power Connectivity Solutions >E-mail: Barry.Treahy@EmersonNetworkPower.com >Phone:=A0 480/314-1320 >Cell: 480/216-9568 >Fax: 480/661-7028 > > ... but it's a DRY HEAT! > >This e-mail is intended only for the addressee named above. >As this e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information, >if you are not the named addressee, you are not authorized to >retain, read, copy or disseminate this message or any part of it. >=0D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 13:08:41 -0500 From: Dan Foster Subject: Re: SIMH default boot device (was Re: SIMH Ethernet problem) Message-ID: In article , Hunter Goatley wrote: > One more question, please: I'm trying to set up SIMH so it automatically > boots VMS when it's launched. I know about using "dep bdr 0" to not > stop at the console prompt, but it never remembers the default boot > device. If I do SET BOOT DUA0 and then BOOT, it works as expected, > but the next time I run SIMH, it no longer knows to boot from DUA0:. > > How do you tell the VAX console what the default boot device is so > that it remembers it? I think you want to store the NVRAM contents in a file. e.g.: attach nvr nvram.bin -Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 14:48:09 -0500 From: Hunter Goatley Subject: Re: SIMH default boot device (was Re: SIMH Ethernet problem) Message-ID: Dan Foster wrote: >> How do you tell the VAX console what the default boot device is so >> that it remembers it? > > I think you want to store the NVRAM contents in a file. e.g.: > > attach nvr nvram.bin > Thanks, Dan. Other posts had led me to believe that it should happen automagically, but it didn't. Using what you suggested, I created a *new* nvram file, booted the CPU, set the default boot device, then exited back to the SimH console. When I exited SimH, it updated the new nvram file, and now the device has been saved. Thanks! -- Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ PreciseMail Anti-Spam Gateway for OpenVMS, Tru64, Solaris, & Linux goathunter@goatley.com http://www.goatley.com/hunter/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 18:19:34 +0000 (UTC) From: "Lukas Th. Hey" Subject: Re: SIMH Ethernet problem Message-ID: Hi there! > Using eth1, which I did try yesterday, didn't give any error, but > DECnet and MultiNet didn't work once it was booted. I noticed this problem before - especially inside a switched LAN. Shared LAN was ok. Since I use the same MAC address as the host has, I never again encountered this problem. Lukas -- DECADENCE IS: USING A CORDLESS PHONE TO HOOK IT UP TO YOUR ACOUSTIC COUPLER ASK FOR FREE GPG/PGP KEY FOR FURTHER CORRESPONDENCE TO HAVE SIGNED EMAILS AT NO ADDITIONAL COSTS OR FETCH 0x06F586B1 FROM YOUR LOCAL PUBLIC PGP KEYSERVER ------------------------------ Date: 02 May 2007 19:27:41 -0400 From: "Richard E. Silverman" Subject: Re: SSH Keys for a heterogeneous Environment Message-ID: >>>>> "MK" == Martin Krischik writes: MK> Hello, If you are from the vms group you probably saw my other MK> post but I start again fresh. MK> I need some ssh keys which work in a heterogeneous MK> environment. Now I have a set which works everywhere - except the MK> private keys won't work with VMS. MK> But since we use cascaded logins and secure copy from here to MK> there and everywhere it is not enough to propagate the just the MK> public keys. MK> Now I tried a lot but I am kind of stuck so few questions to get MK> me going again: MK> 1) Is there a Windows/Linux based tool which can check the format MK> of a key? There seem to be at least four key formats (X.509, SSH2, MK> OpenSSH, RFC 4716). MK> 2) Which brings me to: Is there a list/description of the MK> available key formats. MK> 3) And now the ultimate question: Is there a tool which can MK> convert keys? Thanks to c.o.vms I now know that ssh-keygen is MK> supposed to be able to do this. But hey, look at this: MK> ------------------------------------------- >> ssh-keygen -i -f vms_dsa MK> unsupported cipher 3des-cbc decode blob failed. MK> ------------------------------------------- MK> It seems that ssh-keygen is a bit limited in it's abilities. The input key must be unencrypted; this is mentioned in the man page. MK> Martin -- Richard Silverman res@qoxp.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 23:47:27 +0000 (UTC) From: Dale Dellutri Subject: WEBES 451 will only install on ODS-5 disk Message-ID: So I'm setting up an OpenVMS 8.3 from scratch on an ES40. During a very early part of the install, it asks if I want to format the system disk ODS-2 or ODS-5. So I pick ODS-2 because I haven't found any need for ODS-5 yet, and I didn't know what gotchas I might encounter with all our command procedures to automate stuff on the system disk. So I'm right at the end of my 6 pages of single-spaced notes about all the stuff that has to be done, including everything in the Upgrade and Install manual chapters 1, 2, 3 and 7, and a lot of stuff that's specific to our shop, plus licenses, layered products, and 9 patches requiring 6 reboots. All together: about 12 hours of work. Then I download WEBES 451 and begin the install and it says: WEBES 4.5-1 can only be installed on ODS-5 disk. You have selected a non ODS-5 disk, hence exiting the WEBES installation. Ouch! No, the WEBES 451 install manual does not say anything about needing ODS-5. Luckily I still have my WEBES 443 files, so I installed that instead. I hope that it works OK. I thought you might like to know. -- Dale Dellutri (lose the Q's) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 20:15:28 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: WEBES 451 will only install on ODS-5 disk Message-ID: <463937B0.385414C3@spam.comcast.net> Dale Dellutri wrote: > > So I'm setting up an OpenVMS 8.3 from scratch on an ES40. During > a very early part of the install, it asks if I want to format > the system disk ODS-2 or ODS-5. So I pick ODS-2 because I > haven't found any need for ODS-5 yet, and I didn't know what > gotchas I might encounter with all our command procedures to > automate stuff on the system disk. > > So I'm right at the end of my 6 pages of single-spaced notes > about all the stuff that has to be done, including everything > in the Upgrade and Install manual chapters 1, 2, 3 and 7, and > a lot of stuff that's specific to our shop, plus licenses, > layered products, and 9 patches requiring 6 reboots. > > All together: about 12 hours of work. > > Then I download WEBES 451 and begin the install and it says: > WEBES 4.5-1 can only be installed on ODS-5 disk. You have > selected a non ODS-5 disk, hence exiting the WEBES > installation. > > Ouch! > > No, the WEBES 451 install manual does not say anything about > needing ODS-5. > > Luckily I still have my WEBES 443 files, so I installed that > instead. I hope that it works OK. > > I thought you might like to know. Thanx for the heads-up, Dale! -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 22:27:50 -0400 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: WEBES 451 will only install on ODS-5 disk Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Dellutri [mailto:ddelQQQlutr@panQQQix.com] > Sent: May 2, 2007 7:47 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: WEBES 451 will only install on ODS-5 disk >=20 > So I'm setting up an OpenVMS 8.3 from scratch on an ES40. During > a very early part of the install, it asks if I want to format > the system disk ODS-2 or ODS-5. So I pick ODS-2 because I > haven't found any need for ODS-5 yet, and I didn't know what > gotchas I might encounter with all our command procedures to > automate stuff on the system disk. >=20 > So I'm right at the end of my 6 pages of single-spaced notes > about all the stuff that has to be done, including everything > in the Upgrade and Install manual chapters 1, 2, 3 and 7, and > a lot of stuff that's specific to our shop, plus licenses, > layered products, and 9 patches requiring 6 reboots. >=20 > All together: about 12 hours of work. >=20 > Then I download WEBES 451 and begin the install and it says: > WEBES 4.5-1 can only be installed on ODS-5 disk. You have > selected a non ODS-5 disk, hence exiting the WEBES > installation. >=20 > Ouch! >=20 > No, the WEBES 451 install manual does not say anything about > needing ODS-5. >=20 > Luckily I still have my WEBES 443 files, so I installed that > instead. I hope that it works OK. >=20 > I thought you might like to know. >=20 Dale, Why not just convert the volume? As an example: $ set volume $1$dqa0:/struct=3D5 I have been using ODS5 system disk for a long time and have not had any issues yet. Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: 02 May 2007 18:13:22 GMT From: Doc Subject: Re: [OT] Neocons destroying America Message-ID: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in news:2jbVVaY$WuuQ@eisner.encompasserve.org: > In article , JF Mezei > writes: >> Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>> "I vas chust following orders" didn't work at Nuremburg and it >>> certainly won't work now. >> >> It worked for the american grunts who were charged with torture at >> Abu Graib and the US government/army refused to follow the trail up >> the chain to find out who had condoned those actions, who had held >> onto the video tapes and had done nothing of it. > > No, it didn't work for those grunts. Several of them are in prison > for what they did. > > The failure to follow the trail shows that the US Military learned > nothing from Lt.Calley at My Lai except how to cover its tracks. I agree with this psot! What a significant portion of the world outside the United States believes is that they shouldn't bother working their way up the chain of command. The people of the U.S. should just impeach the commander in chimp and be done with it. Can any of the people like Dr Dweeb who don't think he's a war criminal explain why you still want him to represent you when the rest of the world despises him? Doc. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.241 ************************