INFO-VAX Sun, 22 Apr 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 220
Contents:
Re: 64-bit: Intel Unveils New x86 Microarchitecture
Re: 64-bit: Intel Unveils New x86 Microarchitecture
Re: 64-bit: Intel Unveils New x86 Microarchitecture
Re: 64-bit: Intel Unveils New x86 Microarchitecture
Re: 64-bit: Intel Unveils New x86 Microarchitecture
Re: 64-bit: Intel Unveils New x86 Microarchitecture
Re: C++ Garbage Collector on VMS?
RE: C++ Garbage Collector on VMS?
Re: DCL Magic?
Re: DCL Magic?
Re: DCL Magic?
FC HBA for zx2000
Re: FC HBA for zx2000
Re: How to configure DECnet-over-IP only?
Re: How to configure DECnet-over-IP only?
Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2)
Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2)
Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2)
Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2)
Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2)
Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2)
Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2)
Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2)
Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2)
Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2)
Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2)
Re: looking for up-to-date LaTex etc for VMS
Problem with DCPS 2.6 VAX install from CD-ROM
[DECnet-Plus] How to configure DECnet-over-IP only?
[TCPIP V5.6] Comment lines in tools (like FTP)
Re: [TCPIP V5.6] Comment lines in tools (like FTP)
Re: [TCPIP V5.6] Comment lines in tools (like FTP)
Re: [TCPIP V5.6] Comment lines in tools (like FTP)
[TCPIP V5.6] Still no TFTP client?
[TCPIP V5.6] Still no TFTP client?
Re: [TCPIP V5.6] Still no TFTP client?
Re: [TCPIP V5.6] Still no TFTP client?
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 06:23:20 -0700
From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>
Subject: Re: 64-bit: Intel Unveils New x86 Microarchitecture
Message-ID: <op.tq6ss6fxtte90l@hyrrokkin>
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 04:34:15 -0700, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>
wrote:
> David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> writes:
>
>> "Michael D. Ober" wrote:
>
>>> The IA 64 (Itanic) architecture is deader than the Alpha.
>
>> SSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>> Don't tell HP!! HP bet their Enterprise/OpenVMS/UX farm on Itanic.
>
> So did SGI...
That is changing
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:45:39 -0500
From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>
Subject: Re: 64-bit: Intel Unveils New x86 Microarchitecture
Message-ID: <462B7513.E74A84D6@spam.comcast.net>
Tom Linden wrote:
>
> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 04:34:15 -0700, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>
> wrote:
>
> > David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> writes:
> >
> >> "Michael D. Ober" wrote:
> >
> >>> The IA 64 (Itanic) architecture is deader than the Alpha.
> >
> >> SSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >> Don't tell HP!! HP bet their Enterprise/OpenVMS/UX farm on Itanic.
> >
> > So did SGI...
> That is changing
(Donning dental smock)
...to what?
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 07:35:07 -0700
From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>
Subject: Re: 64-bit: Intel Unveils New x86 Microarchitecture
Message-ID: <op.tq6v4tr2tte90l@hyrrokkin>
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 07:45:39 -0700, David J Dachtera
<djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> wrote:
> Tom Linden wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 04:34:15 -0700, Paul Repacholi
>> <prep@prep.synonet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> writes:
>> >
>> >> "Michael D. Ober" wrote:
>> >
>> >>> The IA 64 (Itanic) architecture is deader than the Alpha.
>> >
>> >> SSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >
>> >> Don't tell HP!! HP bet their Enterprise/OpenVMS/UX farm on Itanic.
>> >
>> > So did SGI...
>> That is changing
>
> (Donning dental smock)
>
> ...to what?
What would you guess?
>
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 10:07:21 -0500
From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>
Subject: Re: 64-bit: Intel Unveils New x86 Microarchitecture
Message-ID: <462B7A29.F58E61EE@spam.comcast.net>
Tom Linden wrote:
>
> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 07:45:39 -0700, David J Dachtera
> <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Tom Linden wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 04:34:15 -0700, Paul Repacholi
> >> <prep@prep.synonet.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> writes:
> >> >
> >> >> "Michael D. Ober" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>> The IA 64 (Itanic) architecture is deader than the Alpha.
> >> >
> >> >> SSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >> >
> >> >> Don't tell HP!! HP bet their Enterprise/OpenVMS/UX farm on Itanic.
> >> >
> >> > So did SGI...
> >> That is changing
> >
> > (Donning dental smock)
> >
> > ...to what?
> What would you guess?
Based on available data, my guess would be Power-6. Hence the request for
clarification.
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:02:25 -0700
From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>
Subject: Re: 64-bit: Intel Unveils New x86 Microarchitecture
Message-ID: <op.tq6z6bpwtte90l@hyrrokkin>
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 08:07:21 -0700, David J Dachtera
<djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> wrote:
> Tom Linden wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 07:45:39 -0700, David J Dachtera
>> <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Tom Linden wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 04:34:15 -0700, Paul Repacholi
>> >> <prep@prep.synonet.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> writes:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Michael D. Ober" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>> The IA 64 (Itanic) architecture is deader than the Alpha.
>> >> >
>> >> >> SSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >> >
>> >> >> Don't tell HP!! HP bet their Enterprise/OpenVMS/UX farm on Itanic.
>> >> >
>> >> > So did SGI...
>> >> That is changing
>> >
>> > (Donning dental smock)
>> >
>> > ...to what?
>> What would you guess?
>
> Based on available data, my guess would be Power-6. Hence the request for
> clarification.
>
I know a while back they were involved with x86, hadn't heard about Power,
will see what I can find. Cell might be a better fit.
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:26:29 -0400
From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Subject: Re: 64-bit: Intel Unveils New x86 Microarchitecture
Message-ID: <71639$462b9b04$cef8887a$440@TEKSAVVY.COM>
Tom Linden wrote:
>>> > So did SGI...
>>> That is changing
>>
>> (Donning dental smock)
>>
>> ...to what?
> What would you guess?
This just In:
SGI announces it has obtain the rights to the Alpha architecture, and
plans to move its business to Alpha and work on EV9 has already begun.
Furthermore, as a precondition to obtaining the rights to Alpha, SGI had
to agree to be be responsible for OpenVMS, ridding HP of this pesky
product with customers who refuse to go to HP's main products.
From now on, HP-OpenVMS will be known as SGI-VMS. The memo to all VMS
engineers will go out soon to ask then to (again) do a global change in
all the source code. SGI is expected to also instruct engineers to put
the company name in a variable that can easily be changed.
(It is april 1 on planet mars).
:-) :-) :-) :-)
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 05:43:11 -0700
From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>
Subject: Re: C++ Garbage Collector on VMS?
Message-ID: <op.tq6qx9h3tte90l@hyrrokkin>
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:20:26 -0700, Michael D. Ober
<obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam> wrote:
>
> "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote in message
> news:b763c$46251937$cef8887a$8658@TEKSAVVY.COM...
>>>> I have to ask: Why does a programming language (other than an
>>>> interpretive environment) need a "garbage collector"??!!
>>
>>
>> Not to get into a religious debate, but don't languages that do lots of
>> stuff behind the scenes "for you" tend to result in sloppy programming
>> because programmers lose some discipline ?
>>
>> To me, it seems essential that any routine that allocates memory for a
>> structure should have an accompanying one to deallocate that structure
>> (and any substructures attached to it).
>>
>>
>
> Actually, no. Many times you allocate memory but don't really know when
> the
> last reference to it is released. This happens when a routine allocates
> memory and then returns that memory as part of it's result.
Why can't the caller free the memory?
In these
> cases,
> a GC is the only way to go since it determines when the memory is no
> longer
> acessible by the program. A GC can also defragment your heap so that
> your
> program may actually uses less memory than an equivalent without a GC.
>
> Mike Ober.
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 10:14:49 -0400
From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>
Subject: RE: C++ Garbage Collector on VMS?
Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B8684022B9E9E@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arne Vajh=F8j [mailto:arne@vajhoej.dk]
> Sent: April 21, 2007 11:46 PM
> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com
> Subject: Re: C++ Garbage Collector on VMS?
>=20
> Main, Kerry wrote:
> > And there are numerous J2EE app's designed for mission critical
> > applications that in the end, do not scale anywhere near as high as
> > they were designed for and in the end they start throwing HW at the
> > final solution.
>=20
> They should scale great.
>=20
> Performance is not always as good as it could be.
>=20
> And HW is usually not a problem in th app tier. What does a
> HP box with two quad Xeon and RHEL cost ?
>=20
These days, HW cost is the smallest cost associated with a application =
environment. Its almost a rounding error. Especially with multiple tiers =
and multiple dev/test/QA environments. Each server needs to be =
monitored, patched, licensed etc. - not only for the app, but also the =
supporting apps as well e.g. backups, AV, batch, monitoring/mgmt agents =
etc. In addition, staffing costs are typically something like 60-70% of =
the typical IT budget today.
As I recall (but willing to be corrected) BEA alone charges USD $10K per =
CPU (list), Oracle charges USD $40K / cpu (enterprise) and $60K/ cpu =
with RAC. Now look at all these different server environments and when =
you add them up, it is significant.=20
To your question about the HW cost - lets look at real costs for SW for =
2 servers - RH Linux, any vendor box, quad Xeon cpu's. One for App =
server, one for DB.
BEA WLS - 1 servers x 4 cpu's =3D $40K (list)
Oracle - 1 servers x 4 cpus =3D $160K (list)=20
So, if we were talking typical J2EE App, RH Linux + BEA WLS + Oracle RAC =
=3D USD $200K for basic SW stack. This does not include support Apps as =
well (backup, AV, monitoring/mgmt agents) etc.
Now, say we needed HA, so we add 2 servers so that we have 2 App servers =
+ 2 DB servers.
BEA WLS - 2 servers x 4 cpu's =3D 8 x$10K =3D $80K (list) (Assume WLS =
clustering not involved here as I do not know how much that adds)
Oracle - 2 servers x 4 cpus with RAC =3D 8 x$60K =3D $480K (list)
Cost with HA =3D USD $560K.
And this is only one application in production environment. What about =
adding BEA WLI or other Oracle or Cognos products in as well?
Now - what about the Dev / Test / QA environments? Will they be similar =
to the production environment? If so, you can do the math.
Consider that most medium to large companies will literally have =
hundreds of applications (that is what is typically found in =
consolidation engagements) and you begin to see the scale of the IT =
problem facing large companies today.=20
And then there is all the regulatory compliance challenges associated =
with many of these servers as well.
And for Windows/Linux then you add in the 5-20 security patches per =
month recommended by each of these vendors. Now, consider the support =
costs of these monthly security patches - will you test your =
applications before releasing these patches or blindly install them and =
trust (hope) that no problems will occur?=20
Imho, when looking at servers today, the key criteria of the future will =
be not how much the server TCO is to run that one application, but =
rather how much is the server TCO if you put 5 or 10 applications on it?
When comparing OpenVMS vs Windows for example - how many Customers would =
put 5-10 separate Windows apps on the same server? With OpenVMS, this is =
common place. With Windows if you have 5-10 applications, you are =
typically looking at 5-10 servers (many more of course if you have =
N-tier in each case)
That will be the next big thing being requested by C levels to further =
reduce costs as this one-app, multiple server model is rapidly coming to =
an end.=20
Bottom line - Imho, the model is just way to expensive to license, =
support and to complex to maintain.=20
A sure sign of this is VMware virtualization literally flying off the =
shelves as companies try and consolidate all their HW. And IDC recently =
dropped their expected server numbers due to all the virtualization =
activities going on.
http://tinyurl.com/ys8dsu (see VMware notes)
Will that be a problem for OS platforms or App groups that are used to =
one app, many physical servers?=20
Yep.
> > Some might say it was the nature of OO which makes it more difficult
> > to design truly scalable, system specific optimized code,
>=20
> OO versus procedural is mostly relevant for source code. The
> impact on performance should be minimal. Often OO takes a bit
> of more memory, but generally no problem.
>=20
> > some might
> > say it was all the various tiers and associated network latencies
>=20
> It actually improves scalability. But it too many tiers can make
> it very hard to get acceptable latencies.
>=20
Compare the overall time to do a direct IO request with system level =
caching to a network IO request. Now look at this from a extremely busy =
App to DB server environment.
Who wins?
Tiers were a great concept when HW could not keep up with the processing =
required by each tier and network speeds were slow and unreliable. That =
is no longer the case as the typical Wintel/UNIX server today is only =
10-25% busy - in peak times!=20
> > (SAP now recommends tier consolidation putting App tier on same
> > server as DB tier)
>=20
> "tier consolidation" is a new term to me, but what it describes
> is a standard technique nowadays.
>=20
> I do not understand the point in the app tier db tier consolidation,
> because app servers are usually load sharing while database are
> usually failover. I which case it is impossible to consolidate
> those tiers.
>=20
Tier consolidation refers to the HW, so you may still have 10 App =
servers, but they will be running on 2 servers instead of 10. The next =
step would be tier rationalization where you crank down the number of =
App servers (depending on the App environment of course).
> > or perhaps it is at least partly do to with
> > "stuff" running in the background doing things that a well designed
> > app environment would not need to do.
>=20
> I have not seen many GC related performance problems. The typical
> business critical app involves database. GC is much faster than
> databases.
>=20
> > Both .Net and J2EE are OO based strategies and there is a lot of
> > market momentum to adopt one or both of these, but I am not
> convinced
> > that OO strategies are the best ones to adopt for very scalable,
> very
> > mission critical systems.
>=20
> I can not imagine anyone not using OO today.
>=20
See scenario above and the huge costs facing companies today with the =
one app, many server and multiple tier model.
> J2EE scales very nicely.
>=20
> J2EE or a .NET solution are rather obvious for a typical
> business applications.
>=20
In small to medium app environments, I would agree.
In large environments (and in consolidation of many small environments =
to fewer, but larger servers), it takes a lot of work and is very =
complex when troubleshooting many different components running on many =
different systems.
Again - if Wintel//Linux, then you also have the 5-20 security patches =
(not bug fixes, security) per month to review / test / apply in =
Dev/Qa/Test/Prod as well.
> Where they do not fit quite as well is in real time and embedded.
>=20
> > Sun and Microsoft and all of the supporting casts on both sides want
> > Cust's to pick one (.Net or J2EE) and ditch their current 3GL
> > environments (with all of the 10-20 year investments), but I just do
> > not believe it is the right way to go for the future. Picking either
> > approach is an App only driven strategy whereby I believe the future
> > for mission critical stuff will be much more solution driven i.e.
> > 3GL's or equiv prod's integrated with OS specific features.
>=20
> Both Java and C# are 3GL's.
>=20
> .NET has a very tight integration with one particular OS.
>=20
Well, as much as I hate to say it, I do think .Net has an advantage in =
this respect. Top to bottom integration optimized with one specific =
platform. The devil is in the details of course, but overall, I have to =
agree they have a good strategy in this respect. The .Net challenge is =
still the culture of one app, one (or more) servers.=20
While portability is often a bigger goal of small to med shops, that is =
not the case for large MC environments where they pick an OS they trust =
and then build their mission critical app environment around it for max =
scalability and availability.
>=20
> >> It is very good system design to consider the possibility that
> >> programmers make mistakes.
> >
> > Kind of like giving everyone a parachute when they board a plane
> > because "mechanics do make mistakes..."
> >
> > :-)
>=20
> Not parachutes when boarding just life jackets under
> the seats.
>=20
> > Reminds me of the well known airline exec speech to IBM field types
> > about the difference in focus on quality between the airline
> industry
> > vs. the computer industry. That speech was delivered in the middle
> > 1960's and the same speech today would not have to be changed much
> at
> > all.
>=20
> <joke>
> At a conference about quality in software engineering the speaker
> started by asking the audience "How many of you would get off a plan
> if you just before takeoff realized that your companies software
> was flying the plane?". All except one raised their hands. The
> speaker looked at the one guy not raising his hand and asked "So you
> create high quality software?". He answered "Not at all, but it is so
> bad that the plane will never get off the ground, so I am not
> worried!".
> </joke>
>=20
> Arne
:-) :-)
Hey, perhaps there is something to GC .. after all, planes require =
regular GC after each flight as well.
:-)
Kerry Main
Senior Consultant
HP Services Canada
Voice: 613-592-4660
Fax: 613-591-4477
kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom
(remove the DOT's and AT)=20
OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 05:57:29 -0700
From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>
Subject: Re: DCL Magic?
Message-ID: <op.tq6rl3iitte90l@hyrrokkin>
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:22:25 -0700, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson =
<myrkraverk@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> VAXman <VAXman...@sendspamhere.org> writes:
>
>> In article <m3slat6e08.fsf@jin.myrkraverk.com>, Johann 'Myrkraverk'
>> Oskarsson <myrkraverk@users.sourceforge.net> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Does DCL have hooks that execute before running a command (after
>>> reading it) and before printing the prompt?
>>>
>>> In unix, I use zsh's precmd() and preexec() functions for this to
>>> display the current working directory and the executing command in t=
he
>>> terminal title bar.
>>>
>>> That is, I'd like to display the current DEFAULT and NODE name in th=
e
>>> title, as well as the currently executing ... is job the term?
>>
>> I have a product which will do this. You can have it put the info
>> in the prompt (which is limited to 32 char), a 25th host writeable
>> status line or, if a DECterm, in the title bar.
>>
>> Contect me if interested.
>
> I'm not sure. At the moment, the only VMS systems I have access to is=
> deathrow and decus, and I'm reluctant to ask favors of the admins ;-P
>
I use PuTTY running on W2K system to connect using SSH, and keep one win=
dow
open for each cluster node, each with a different background color. The=
Node name appears on the title banner as well as in the dcl prompt.
$ set prompt=3D"''f$edit(f$getsyi("scsnode"),"trim")'> "
As for current location I use
$ pwd=3D=3D"show default"
$ cd =3D=3D"set default"
I prefer not to have the path in my prompt, it clutters up the display.
>
> Johann
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:58:51 -0500
From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>
Subject: Re: DCL Magic?
Message-ID: <462B782B.80F1D897@spam.comcast.net>
Tom Linden wrote:
>
> On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:22:25 -0700, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson
> <myrkraverk@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>
> > VAXman <VAXman...@sendspamhere.org> writes:
> >
> >> In article <m3slat6e08.fsf@jin.myrkraverk.com>, Johann 'Myrkraverk'
> >> Oskarsson <myrkraverk@users.sourceforge.net> writes:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> Does DCL have hooks that execute before running a command (after
> >>> reading it) and before printing the prompt?
> >>>
> >>> In unix, I use zsh's precmd() and preexec() functions for this to
> >>> display the current working directory and the executing command in the
> >>> terminal title bar.
> >>>
> >>> That is, I'd like to display the current DEFAULT and NODE name in the
> >>> title, as well as the currently executing ... is job the term?
> >>
> >> I have a product which will do this. You can have it put the info
> >> in the prompt (which is limited to 32 char), a 25th host writeable
> >> status line or, if a DECterm, in the title bar.
> >>
> >> Contect me if interested.
> >
> > I'm not sure. At the moment, the only VMS systems I have access to is
> > deathrow and decus, and I'm reluctant to ask favors of the admins ;-P
> >
>
> I use PuTTY running on W2K system to connect using SSH, and keep one window
> open for each cluster node, each with a different background color. The
> Node name appears on the title banner as well as in the dcl prompt.
I use Reflection. I have the node from the connection in the window title and
task bar.
I've never liked the separate colors thing because then I have to remember which
color is for which node.
Besides, my color perception is skewed slightly and some color combinations are
incompatible with my vision - dark blue on black, for example, is "invisible" to
me.
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 08:58:46 -0700
From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>
Subject: Re: DCL Magic?
Message-ID: <op.tq6zz8hntte90l@hyrrokkin>
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 07:58:51 -0700, David J Dachtera
<djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> wrote:
> Tom Linden wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:22:25 -0700, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson
>> <myrkraverk@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>>
>> > VAXman <VAXman...@sendspamhere.org> writes:
>> >
>> >> In article <m3slat6e08.fsf@jin.myrkraverk.com>, Johann 'Myrkraverk'
>> >> Oskarsson <myrkraverk@users.sourceforge.net> writes:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> Does DCL have hooks that execute before running a command (after
>> >>> reading it) and before printing the prompt?
>> >>>
>> >>> In unix, I use zsh's precmd() and preexec() functions for this to
>> >>> display the current working directory and the executing command in
>> the
>> >>> terminal title bar.
>> >>>
>> >>> That is, I'd like to display the current DEFAULT and NODE name in
>> the
>> >>> title, as well as the currently executing ... is job the term?
>> >>
>> >> I have a product which will do this. You can have it put the info
>> >> in the prompt (which is limited to 32 char), a 25th host writeable
>> >> status line or, if a DECterm, in the title bar.
>> >>
>> >> Contect me if interested.
>> >
>> > I'm not sure. At the moment, the only VMS systems I have access to is
>> > deathrow and decus, and I'm reluctant to ask favors of the admins ;-P
>> >
>>
>> I use PuTTY running on W2K system to connect using SSH, and keep one
>> window
>> open for each cluster node, each with a different background color. The
>> Node name appears on the title banner as well as in the dcl prompt.
>
> I use Reflection. I have the node from the connection in the window
> title and
> task bar.
>
> I've never liked the separate colors thing because then I have to
> remember which
> color is for which node.
Well the node name appears in both the window title and prompt, but having
used the same colours for about 5 years, I find it handy. For example the
Itanium box has a greenish coloured background because it is envious of the
VAX and Alphas.
>
> Besides, my color perception is skewed slightly and some color
> combinations are
> incompatible with my vision - dark blue on black, for example, is
> "invisible" to
> me.
>
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:29:02 -0700
From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>
Subject: FC HBA for zx2000
Message-ID: <op.tq61eoaatte90l@hyrrokkin>
I use Emulex LP8000 in my Alphas. Anybody know if it will work in
HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Industry Standard 64 Version V5.6
on an HP zx2000 (900MHz/1.5MB) running OpenVMS V8.3
Also have newer HP HBAs, FCA2684, would that work?
Which begs a new question, how do you run wwidmgr on Itanium?
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Date: 22 Apr 2007 10:30:26 -0700
From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FC HBA for zx2000
Message-ID: <1177263026.196601.56930@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>
On Apr 22, 12:29 pm, "Tom Linden" <t...@kednos-remove.com> wrote:
> I use Emulex LP8000 in my Alphas. Anybody know if it will work in
>
> HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Industry Standard 64 Version V5.6
> on an HP zx2000 (900MHz/1.5MB) running OpenVMS V8.3
>
> Also have newer HP HBAs, FCA2684, would that work?
>
> Which begs a new question, how do you run wwidmgr on Itanium?
For HBA info see
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_frm/thread/728547a87763ba6a/837d7fb2907dfee8?lnk=gst&q=fibre+hba+&rnum=3#837d7fb2907dfee8
On Itanium you use the EFI instead of wwidmgr
See this
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_frm/thread/61382fcd3016b640/f07e4062f0e40ed0?lnk=gst&q=integrity+fibre&rnum=1#f07e4062f0e40ed0
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Date: 22 Apr 2007 02:52:11 -0700
From: Volker Halle <volker_halle@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: How to configure DECnet-over-IP only?
Message-ID: <1177235531.763247.246450@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
Peter,
just try to disable and delete the routing circuit and the csma-cd
station and/or remove the appropriate commands from the NET$*.NCL
files.
Volker.
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Date: 22 Apr 2007 19:22:13 +0200
From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER)
Subject: Re: How to configure DECnet-over-IP only?
Message-ID: <462bb5e5$1@news.langstoeger.at>
In article <1177235531.763247.246450@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Volker Halle <volker_halle@hotmail.com> writes:
>just try to disable and delete the routing circuit and the csma-cd
>station and/or remove the appropriate commands from the NET$*.NCL
>files.
This is what I just did (after I saw the %NET$CONFIGURE-F-NODEVICECONF abort)
Is this the way to go (or is there a NET$CONFIGURE method I overlooked)?
TIA
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 02:41:18 -0400
From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Subject: Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2)
Message-ID: <53b91$462b03ce$cef8887a$31329@TEKSAVVY.COM>
Michael Helmeste wrote:
> Sorry to contribute to the off-topicness, but perhaps this might be
> appropriate:
http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/miscellaneous_laws/ex23_19.html
This one is even funnier. It is labeled:
Exodus 23:19
'You will not boil a kid in its mother's milk.'
I think this is proof that either the old testament is mostly a farce,
or its translations are ludicrious.
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 04:47:05 -0400
From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>
Subject: Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2)
Message-ID: <At2dnXoI9IgZvbbbnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@libcom.com>
Dr. Dweeb wrote:
> genius@marblecliff.com wrote:
>> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55273
>
> Dr . Laura Schlessinger is a US radio personality who dispenses advice to
> people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that, as an
> observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to
> Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The
> following
> is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a US resident, which was posted on
> the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:
<snip>
After reading that post, and the letter, I have come to the conclusion
that the bible is a 'how to' for terrorists. How do we get this
terrorist tool banned? I'm sure the republicans will jump at the chance
if we put a plain brown cover on the book, so they cannot see it's the
bible.
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Date: 22 Apr 2007 05:57:04 -0700
From: genius@marblecliff.com
Subject: Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2)
Message-ID: <1177246624.245272.235660@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>
On Apr 21, 8:42 pm, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> gen...@marblecliff.com wrote:
> > different group of people (jews) different time period ...
>
> Dear Mr Genius,
>
> You cannot selectively use portions of the old testament that fit your
> agenda, and then claim the old testament doesn't apply to christians.
Dear Mr. Ignorant,
I did not say it was not relevant ... the 10 commandments
still are, but many of the old testament laws and customs
were specific to the jewish people, not the gentiles ...
the recommendations and principles that God stated are,
but Christ has freed us from the old law because He
frees us from sin ... please take some bible study courses
at a church!
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 06:08:19 -0700
From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>
Subject: Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2)
Message-ID: <op.tq6r35q7tte90l@hyrrokkin>
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 04:50:45 -0700, VAXman- <@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote:
> In article <07042018595203_202002DA@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org
> (Steven M. Schweda) writes:
>>
>>
>> From: genius@marblecliff.com
>>
>>> from Proverbs King James Version
>>> [...]
>>> IF YOU LOVE YOUR CHILDREN, YOU WILL CORRECT
>>> THEM THE WAY GOD SAYS TO!
>>
>> As you seem to be an expert on such things, perhaps you should
>> consider how your God would suggest (command?) that an adult should
>> correct an apparent child who continues to post inappropriate religious
>> drool to a VMS news group.
>
> ...and god spaketh unto the bretheren of comp.os.vms and commandeth:
>
> Bob, Thou hast blastphemed the comp.os.vms newsgroup. Ye shall be
> remanded to Weendoze and Weendoze newsgroups for all eternity.
>
Thou is singular, ye is plural.
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:47:46 -0500
From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>
Subject: Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2)
Message-ID: <462B7592.FA15D2ED@spam.comcast.net>
Michael Helmeste wrote:
>
> On 2007-04-20 16:59:52 -0700, sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) said:
>
> > From: genius@marblecliff.com
> >
> >> from Proverbs King James Version
> >> [...]
> >> IF YOU LOVE YOUR CHILDREN, YOU WILL CORRECT
> >> THEM THE WAY GOD SAYS TO!
> >
> > As you seem to be an expert on such things, perhaps you should
> > consider how your God would suggest (command?) that an adult should
> > correct an apparent child who continues to post inappropriate religious
> > drool to a VMS news group.
>
> Sorry to contribute to the off-topicness, but perhaps this might be
> appropriate:
>
> http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/when_to_stone_your_children/dt21_18a.html
<levity>
Oh! Is THAT what Dylan meant when he sang, "EVERYbody must get stoned!"?
</levity>
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 07:36:37 -0700
From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>
Subject: Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2)
Message-ID: <op.tq6v7be1tte90l@hyrrokkin>
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 07:47:46 -0700, David J Dachtera
<djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> wrote:
> Michael Helmeste wrote:
>>
>> On 2007-04-20 16:59:52 -0700, sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) said:
>>
>> > From: genius@marblecliff.com
>> >
>> >> from Proverbs King James Version
>> >> [...]
>> >> IF YOU LOVE YOUR CHILDREN, YOU WILL CORRECT
>> >> THEM THE WAY GOD SAYS TO!
>> >
>> > As you seem to be an expert on such things, perhaps you should
>> > consider how your God would suggest (command?) that an adult should
>> > correct an apparent child who continues to post inappropriate
>> religious
>> > drool to a VMS news group.
>>
>> Sorry to contribute to the off-topicness, but perhaps this might be
>> appropriate:
>>
>> http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/when_to_stone_your_children/dt21_18a.html
>
> <levity>
>
> Oh! Is THAT what Dylan meant when he sang, "EVERYbody must get stoned!"?
That is almost Russell's paradox. Who shall cast the last stone?
> </levity>
>
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:54:13 -0500
From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>
Subject: Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2)
Message-ID: <462B7715.7DF2D2EE@spam.comcast.net>
genius@marblecliff.com wrote:
> [snip]
> ... please go to a church and learn
> if you really want to find God!
Rev. Bob,
We come here seeking answers about [Open]VMS. Someone who might "really want to
find God" would be more likely to lurk on one of the alt.religion.* NGs or
something...
FWIW...
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Date: 22 Apr 2007 14:56:29 GMT
From: Doc <doc@openvms-rocks.com>
Subject: Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2)
Message-ID: <Xns991AAC57A63E1docopenvmsrockscom@195.238.0.229>
genius@marblecliff.com wrote in news:1177246624.245272.235660
@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
<snip>
Should you be posting on the Sabbath Boob?
> the recommendations and principles that God stated are,
> but Christ has freed us from the old law because He
> frees us from sin ... please take some bible study courses
> at a church!
Where they will teach you to be as an accomplished hypocrite as Bob.
Doc.
------------------------------
Date: 22 Apr 2007 15:00:09 GMT
From: Doc <doc@openvms-rocks.com>
Subject: Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2)
Message-ID: <Xns991AACF74D81Edocopenvmsrockscom@195.238.0.229>
"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> wrote in
news:op.tq6v7be1tte90l@hyrrokkin:
> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 07:47:46 -0700, David J Dachtera
> <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> wrote:
<snip>
>> Oh! Is THAT what Dylan meant when he sang, "EVERYbody must get
>> stoned!"?
>
> That is almost Russell's paradox. Who shall cast the last stone?
And - as Boob should be aware - the Bible claims Jesus said only those
without sin should be the ones throwing stones. Seems Boob must be perfect
as he's stoning all of us with verbal abuse for being heretics.
Doc.
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 10:08:49 -0500
From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>
Subject: Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2)
Message-ID: <462B7A81.947454A0@spam.comcast.net>
Tom Linden wrote:
>
> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 07:47:46 -0700, David J Dachtera
> <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Michael Helmeste wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2007-04-20 16:59:52 -0700, sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) said:
> >>
> >> > From: genius@marblecliff.com
> >> >
> >> >> from Proverbs King James Version
> >> >> [...]
> >> >> IF YOU LOVE YOUR CHILDREN, YOU WILL CORRECT
> >> >> THEM THE WAY GOD SAYS TO!
> >> >
> >> > As you seem to be an expert on such things, perhaps you should
> >> > consider how your God would suggest (command?) that an adult should
> >> > correct an apparent child who continues to post inappropriate
> >> religious
> >> > drool to a VMS news group.
> >>
> >> Sorry to contribute to the off-topicness, but perhaps this might be
> >> appropriate:
> >>
> >> http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/when_to_stone_your_children/dt21_18a.html
> >
> > <levity>
> >
> > Oh! Is THAT what Dylan meant when he sang, "EVERYbody must get stoned!"?
>
> That is almost Russell's paradox. Who shall cast the last stone?
> > </levity>
The last one standing, I should think...
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:35:56 +0200
From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>
Subject: Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2)
Message-ID: <f0g6ds$dv7$1@news5.zwoll1.ov.home.nl>
David J Dachtera wrote:
> genius@marblecliff.com wrote:
>> [snip]
>> ... please go to a church and learn
>> if you really want to find God!
>
> Rev. Bob,
>
> We come here seeking answers about [Open]VMS. Someone who might "really want to
> find God" would be more likely to lurk on one of the alt.religion.* NGs or
> something...
On the other hand, someone once called OpenVMS "God's own operating
system". Maybe Boob thinks he is the system manager of God's own OpenVMS
cluster?
>
> FWIW...
>
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:56:24 +0800
From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>
Subject: Re: looking for up-to-date LaTex etc for VMS
Message-ID: <87lkgk39nb.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>
helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:
> I've asked about this here from time to time, but never got the answer I
> was hoping for. Now the time has come to ask once again and, if the
> response is still the same, bite the bullet and do it myself.
> Does anyone have an up-to-date LaTeX, Metafont etc working on VMS?
Either of the TeX kits from the CDs is 99% up to date.
> I used to update my LaTeX semi-regularly from CTAN, which worked OK.
> However, since it has now been 7 years or so since the last update, that
> is probably not a viable approach.
Get LaTeX from CTAN and build it with the CD TeX exes. Works fine. Have fun
working out what other packages you want to use as well, and what fonts.
> If it IS a viable approach, where do I start? What files do I need and
> what do I need to do?
> Has LaTeX split up into several different directions now, what with PDF
> and everything? (I can generate PDF from LaTeX via DVIPS and GS now,
> but I think more modern software can generate--probably better--PDF
> files directly.) If I have to start over again, where is the best place
> to start and what are the pros and cons of the various options?
The changes to LaTeX are pretty minor, so I have not bothered to update
for some time except for Memior and a few others.
Why anyone would want to even THINK of wading in the sewer of GNV unixisms
and its brain damage when you have a working Pascal compiler and an OS that
works is behond explanation.
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 10:10:39 GMT
From: Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US>
Subject: Problem with DCPS 2.6 VAX install from CD-ROM
Message-ID: <zwGWh.1567$H_.844@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>
I found a defect with the PCSI install of VAX DCPS 2.6. I tried
to install it on a VAX running VMS 7.2 and DCPS 2.2. Soon after the
start of the installation, after it was checking the system environment,
it had an error, an undefined symbol "NUMBER_OF_NODES", and then
terminated. It did this several times.
I dumped the PCSI file into a directory, located DCPS$PCSI_CONFIGURE.COM
and looked at the relevant code. It uses SYSMAN to find all the nodes in
a cluster and the system disks used to find out which NODES boot up from
the upgraded system disk. It looked alright. When I cut out the portion
in question as a separate command file it correctly set NUMBER_OF_NODES to 1.
However, I noticed that unlike the command file to stop the queue
(DCPS$PCSI_QUEUES.COM) which is written to SYS$SCRATCH, the temporary files
used to save the SYSMAN info and the node names (DCPS$PCSI_SYSMAN.TXT,
DCPS$PCSI_NODES.TXT) are written to the current default. Thus if you run
the PRODUCT command from the CD-ROM directory these temporary files cannot
be created and no error is issued to the screen since SYS$ERROR is set to NL:.
So NUMBER_OF_NODES never gets set, is an undefined symbol and the error
terminates the PCSI install.
When running PRODUCT from a directory that is writable (and using /SOURCE)
then the install works. Perhaps that should be in the install guide.
--
Vance Haemmerle
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Date: 22 Apr 2007 09:31:11 +0200
From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER)
Subject: [DECnet-Plus] How to configure DECnet-over-IP only?
Message-ID: <462b2b5f$1@news.langstoeger.at>
DECnet-Plus offers the DECnet-over-IP feature (RFC1006+, via TCP Port 102
and TCP Port 399) which allows to remove the DECnet protocol from your net.
But how to configure DN5 to run *ONLY* DECnet-over-IP?
If you answer "NONE" for every interface in NET$CONFIGURE, you end with
%NET$CONFIGURE-F-NODEVICECONF, no devices configured
No Changes Made
Currently it seems, that I need to configure at least one interface
(though not using it then) to get DECnet-Plus configured/running.
But if I need to keep DECnet totally out of the LAN (and I only have
one interface in the machine), what to do then?
Just curious
--
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Date: 22 Apr 2007 10:12:26 +0200
From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER)
Subject: [TCPIP V5.6] Comment lines in tools (like FTP)
Message-ID: <462b350a$1@news.langstoeger.at>
Some tools (like FTP client) have still unexpected behaviour with comments
in the command line. eg.
FTP>!
%CLI-W-NOCOMD, no command on line - reenter with alphabetic first character
FTP>
while other tools behave correctly
TELNET>!
TELNET>
Can we please finally have a consistent/well behaviour in all TCPIP tools.
TIA
--
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 10:04:03 -0500
From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [TCPIP V5.6] Comment lines in tools (like FTP)
Message-ID: <462B7963.7C86DB43@spam.comcast.net>
Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER wrote:
>
> Some tools (like FTP client) have still unexpected behaviour with comments
> in the command line. eg.
>
> FTP>!
> %CLI-W-NOCOMD, no command on line - reenter with alphabetic first character
> FTP>
>
> while other tools behave correctly
>
> TELNET>!
> TELNET>
>
> Can we please finally have a consistent/well behaviour in all TCPIP tools.
What other FTP clients tolerate "comments" on the stdin stream?
The point being that UCX's FTP client is probably consistent with other FTP
clients, VMS and otherwise, even if it does not conform to VMS conventions re:
comment delimiters.
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Date: 22 Apr 2007 19:28:54 +0200
From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER)
Subject: Re: [TCPIP V5.6] Comment lines in tools (like FTP)
Message-ID: <462bb776$1@news.langstoeger.at>
In article <462B7963.7C86DB43@spam.comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> writes:
>What other FTP clients tolerate "comments" on the stdin stream?
If you'd bet, you'd won: TCPware's FTP client of course
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------------------------------
Date: 22 Apr 2007 19:31:16 +0200
From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER)
Subject: Re: [TCPIP V5.6] Comment lines in tools (like FTP)
Message-ID: <462bb804$1@news.langstoeger.at>
In article <462bb776$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) writes:
>In article <462B7963.7C86DB43@spam.comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> writes:
>>What other FTP clients tolerate "comments" on the stdin stream?
>
>If you'd bet, you'd won: TCPware's FTP client of course
Ooops. Forgot the other: MadGoat FTP client
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Date: 22 Apr 2007 10:13:59 +0200
From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER)
Subject: [TCPIP V5.6] Still no TFTP client?
Message-ID: <462b3567$1@news.langstoeger.at>
Is this correct that there is still no TFTP client in the most current
version V5.6 of TCPIP/UCX product included?
TIA
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Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER
Network and OpenVMS system specialist
E-mail peter@langstoeger.at
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 03:34:31 -0500 (CDT)
From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)
Subject: [TCPIP V5.6] Still no TFTP client?
Message-ID: <07042203343182_202002DA@antinode.org>
From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER)
> Is this correct that there is still no TFTP client in the most current
> version V5.6 of TCPIP/UCX product included?
I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me. The last time I wanted
one, I looked around and found one written by Ruslan R. Laishev
(14-MAY-2004), made some changes (2004-09-08), used it for whatever I
was trying to do, and then forgot all about it. Almost. I did leave a
copy of the code with my changes at:
http://antinode.org/ftp/misc/tftp/
You can tell that I'm especially proud of this one, because it's not
even mentioned in the software section of the VMS Web page. But it
still carries my usual guarantee: Double your money back if you're not
completely satisfied.
Or were you just whining about the quality of TCPIP (again)?
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 11:32:18 +0200
From: "P. Sture" <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch>
Subject: Re: [TCPIP V5.6] Still no TFTP client?
Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-8CA555.11321822042007@mac.sture.ch>
In article <462b3567$1@news.langstoeger.at>,
peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) wrote:
> Is this correct that there is still no TFTP client in the most current
> version V5.6 of TCPIP/UCX product included?
>
> TIA
I can't see one here, either on the system or the documentation.
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Paul Sture
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Date: 22 Apr 2007 19:19:01 +0200
From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER)
Subject: Re: [TCPIP V5.6] Still no TFTP client?
Message-ID: <462bb525$1@news.langstoeger.at>
In article <07042203343182_202002DA@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) writes:
> Or were you just whining about the quality of TCPIP (again)?
Yes and no.
*) I've a TFTP client (with TCPware)
*) Yes, I can't believe what bugs/omission are still in TCPIP
-) OTOH, there is still no BIND 9 in TCPware
*) No, I only wanted to raise the signal to noise ratio here ;-)
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Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER
Network and OpenVMS system specialist
E-mail peter@langstoeger.at
A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist
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