INFO-VAX Sat, 21 Apr 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 217 Contents: Re: C++ Garbage Collector on VMS? Re: Digital lives: Mouse developped for VT220s ! Re: FREE DS10L Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Re: IT'S THAT TIME AGAIN - FREE DS10L OFFER Re: IT'S THAT TIME AGAIN - FREE DS10L OFFER Re: Now I've seen everything Re: Old VMS games Re: Old VMS games Re: Old VMS games Re: Old VMS games Re: Old VMS games Re: Old VMS games Re: Old VMS games Re: [OpenVMS V8.3] AUTOGEN Re: [OpenVMS] GNU C current status? Re: [OpenVMS] GNU C current status? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:14:23 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: C++ Garbage Collector on VMS? Message-ID: <4629491f$0$90268$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> sol gongola wrote: > Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> Tom Linden wrote: >>> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:18:57 -0700, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >>>> Tom Linden wrote: >>>>> I believe the first use of ref counts was in a paper by >>>>> Freiburghouse on >>>>> the Multics PL/I compiler, ca. 1967. Of course, it didn't have many >>>>> leaks :-) >>>> >>>> If it only uses reference counting it will be definition >>>> have memory leaks. >>> >>> You have a different paradigm in mind, I will find link and post it. >>> This was for a compiler, not interpreter so different rules. When >>> refernece count drops to 0 memory is freed >> >> Yes. >> >> But what does it do when object A point to object B and object B >> points to object A, but nothing else point to A and B ? > > If nothing points to A or B than both A and B are considered free > and should be garbage collected. I am trying to explain why deallocate when reference count becomes zero will not always work. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:32:52 -0400 From: "Neil Rieck" Subject: Re: Digital lives: Mouse developped for VT220s ! Message-ID: <4629413d$0$16321$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "JF Mezei" wrote in message news:50b92$46219de4$cef8887a$2197@TEKSAVVY.COM... > Last night, I found a mouse next to my old DEC VT220 terminal. It was > definitely a new one with wireless antenna in the back. And it was really > small. Perhaps 2cm long (the wireless antenna was longer). It was grey, > with a furry cover, and with two very small buttons in the front that > looked like eyes. (I assume the middle button would be achieved by > squeezing the mouse). > > This is proof that Digital is still alive and well, and continuing the > development of the venerable VT220 product line. Imagine, a wireless mouse > next to a VT terminal ! And talk about service/support, the mouse > installed itself , all by itself, next to the Vt terminal without my > having to lift a finger ! (*) > > I really should have taken a picture, it was really cute situation. And > just like the Mona Lisa, this DECmouse seemed to always be looking at me > whenever I moved :-) A work of art ! > > And this DECmouse is equipped with an incredible security measure: it runs > away when you try to grab it. I assume the one delivered to my VT terminal > had already been programmed for someone else's exclusive access. > > I finally managed to catch it and decided I should return it to where it > came from :-) > What happened when you squeezed its sides and tapped its nose? NSR -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:43:23 -0500 From: John Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Message-ID: <4629501B.3060608@tx.rr.com> Me thinks you are right! My stupid... Bill Gunshannon wrote: >In article <4628B720.7020808@tx.rr.com>, > John writes: > > >>norad869@tx.rr.com >>972-371-4172 >>John Brandon >> >> > >Somehow, I don't think sending it to the whole world was what Dave had >in mind. And I doubt that will get you into the drawing. > >bill > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:29:52 -0700 From: "Malcolm Dunnett" Subject: Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Message-ID: <4629063b$1@flight> wrote in message news:1177030383.478677.196160@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > On Apr 19, 8:15 pm, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> In article <1177023718.376996.258...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, >> gen...@marblecliff.com writes: >> >> >http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55273 >> >> http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/mphg/mphg.htm#Scene%2011 >> >> -- >> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker >> VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >> >> "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" > > Yours was more fun than Boob's. Bob's was just plain scary, beating your kid with a stick is child abuse!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:23:25 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Message-ID: In article <4629063b$1@flight>, "Malcolm Dunnett" wrote: > wrote in message > news:1177030383.478677.196160@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > On Apr 19, 8:15 pm, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >> In article <1177023718.376996.258...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, > >> gen...@marblecliff.com writes: > >> > >> >http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55273 > >> > >> http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/mphg/mphg.htm#Scene%2011 > >> > >> -- > >> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker > >> VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > >> > >> "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" > > > > Yours was more fun than Boob's. > > Bob's was just plain scary, beating your kid with > a stick is child abuse!!! I hadn't bothered reading more than a couple of lines until you posted that... "This legislation actually bans the use of 'a stick, a rod, a switch, a belt' ­ tools often used by responsible parents in spanking disobedient children," England has said on the issue. "As a parent, I am angered that the government is declaring my disobedient child 'a victim' and intervening in the raising of my children." Unbelievable! -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 2007 16:43:42 -0700 From: genius@marblecliff.com Subject: Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Message-ID: <1177112622.823088.75590@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On Apr 20, 5:23 pm, "P. Sture" wrote: > In article <4629063b$1@flight>, > "Malcolm Dunnett" wrote: > > > > > > > wrote in message > >news:1177030383.478677.196160@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > > On Apr 19, 8:15 pm, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > > >> In article <1177023718.376996.258...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, > > >> gen...@marblecliff.com writes: > > > >> >http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=3D55273 > > > >>http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/mphg/mphg.htm#Scene%2011 > > > >> -- > > >> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker > > >> VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > > >> "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" > > > > Yours was more fun than Boob's. > > > Bob's was just plain scary, beating your kid with > > a stick is child abuse!!! > > I hadn't bothered reading more than a couple of lines until you posted > that... > > "This legislation actually bans the use of 'a stick, a rod, a switch, a > belt' =AD tools often used by responsible parents in spanking disobedient > children," England has said on the issue. "As a parent, I am angered > that the government is declaring my disobedient child 'a victim' and > intervening in the raising of my children." > > Unbelievable! from Proverbs King James Version 13:24 "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes" 22:15 "Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him." 23:13 "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die." 23:14 "Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell." 29:15 "The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame." and for those who are too ignorant to know the translation, beat means to correct ... here are the new international versions of Proverbs ... 13:24 "Those who spare the rod hate their children, but those who love them are careful to discipline them." 22:15 "Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far away." 23:13 "Do not withhold discipline from children; if you punish them with the rod, they will not die." 23:14 "Punish them with the rod and save them from death." 29:15 "A rod and a reprimand impart wisdom, but children left to themselves disgrace their mother." Once again I can see many here are ignorant of what God has to say ... TIME OUTS DO NOT WORK ... if you love your child, you will correct him the way God says to ... now a swat on the BEHIND is far different from hitting or punching them in the face! Even God would condem child abuse, but we have gotten away from Gods word and again society is paying a price for it with their children wild and out of control, and even shooting people! And from the words of many here, I can see they were not disciplined and now are impolite, rude, inconsiderate ... IF YOU LOVE YOUR CHILDREN, YOU WILL CORRECT THEM THE WAY GOD SAYS TO! ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 2007 16:54:07 -0700 From: genius@marblecliff.com Subject: Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Message-ID: <1177113247.294247.238140@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Apr 20, 7:43 pm, gen...@marblecliff.com wrote: > On Apr 20, 5:23 pm, "P. Sture" wrote: > > > > > > > In article <4629063b$1@flight>, > > "Malcolm Dunnett" wrote: > > > > wrote in message > > >news:1177030383.478677.196160@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > > > On Apr 19, 8:15 pm, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > > > >> In article <1177023718.376996.258...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, > > > >> gen...@marblecliff.com writes: > > > > >> >http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=3D55273 > > > > >>http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/mphg/mphg.htm#Scene%2011 > > > > >> -- > > > >> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker > > > >> VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > > > >> "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" > > > > > Yours was more fun than Boob's. > > > > Bob's was just plain scary, beating your kid with > > > a stick is child abuse!!! > > > I hadn't bothered reading more than a couple of lines until you posted > > that... > > > "This legislation actually bans the use of 'a stick, a rod, a switch, a > > belt' =AD tools often used by responsible parents in spanking disobedie= nt > > children," England has said on the issue. "As a parent, I am angered > > that the government is declaring my disobedient child 'a victim' and > > intervening in the raising of my children." > > > Unbelievable! > > from Proverbs King James Version > > 13:24 "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him > chasteneth him betimes" > > 22:15 "Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of > correction shall drive it far from him." > > 23:13 "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest > him with the rod, he shall not die." > > 23:14 "Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul > from hell." > > 29:15 "The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself > bringeth his mother to shame." > > and for those who are too ignorant to know the translation, beat > means to correct ... here are the new international versions of > Proverbs ... > > 13:24 "Those who spare the rod hate their children, but those who > love them are careful to discipline them." > > 22:15 "Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of > discipline will drive it far away." > > 23:13 "Do not withhold discipline from children; if you punish them > with the rod, they will not die." > > 23:14 "Punish them with the rod and save them from death." > > 29:15 "A rod and a reprimand impart wisdom, but children left to > themselves disgrace their mother." > > Once again I can see many here are ignorant of what God has > to say ... TIME OUTS DO NOT WORK ... if you love your child, > you will correct him the way God says to ... now a swat on the > BEHIND is far different from hitting or punching them in the face! > > Even God would condem child abuse, but we have gotten away > from Gods word and again society is paying a price for it with > their children wild and out of control, and even shooting people! > > And from the words of many here, I can see they were not > disciplined and now are impolite, rude, inconsiderate ... > IF YOU LOVE YOUR CHILDREN, YOU WILL CORRECT > THEM THE WAY GOD SAYS TO!- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - we had paddles in our school ... everyone else used to too ... now we have time outs and look at the kids ... hoodlems! When there was old fashioned discipline the way the bible suggests, things were a lot different years ago ... now kids disrespect adults, each other and carry guns ... I do not know about you, but I will take the good old days of discipline, and I thank my parents for it ... If I did not listen, I got a swat on the behind ... that is not child abuse ... that is discipline from a LOVING parent who is listening to God and the bible and does not want you to end up in hell ... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:59:52 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Message-ID: <07042018595203_202002DA@antinode.org> From: genius@marblecliff.com > from Proverbs King James Version > [...] > IF YOU LOVE YOUR CHILDREN, YOU WILL CORRECT > THEM THE WAY GOD SAYS TO! As you seem to be an expert on such things, perhaps you should consider how your God would suggest (command?) that an adult should correct an apparent child who continues to post inappropriate religious drool to a VMS news group. > If I did not listen, I got a swat on the behind ... [...] Your listening ability seems not to have been improved by the experience. If you have any better ideas, please try them on yourself, while the world hopes and/or prays for your success in self-stiflement. About as wise, and loads more entertaining: http://www.venganza.org/ Praised be His Noodly Appendage, I always say. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 2007 11:23:03 -0700 From: Doug Phillips Subject: Re: IT'S THAT TIME AGAIN - FREE DS10L OFFER Message-ID: <1177093383.704806.87940@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On Apr 19, 7:09 pm, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article , "David Turner, Island Computers" writes: > > > > >SEND US YR EMAIL ADDRESS, > > VAXman at "term for the interjection of a word in a compound word" dot com > > > TEL# > > 732.363.PINT > > >AND > >NAME OF COURSE IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY > > I've always liked the math courses. How about... > > Tensor Calculus Wow! Impressive! Here I had it narrowed down to St.Andrews and Pebble Beach of all the thousands of courses I haven't already... Must be the weather;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:28:43 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: IT'S THAT TIME AGAIN - FREE DS10L OFFER Message-ID: <00A666F9.CE7FF984@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article <1177093383.704806.87940@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Doug Phillips writes: > > >On Apr 19, 7:09 pm, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> In article , "David Turner, Island Computers" writes: >> >> >> >> >SEND US YR EMAIL ADDRESS, >> >> VAXman at "term for the interjection of a word in a compound word" dot com >> >> > TEL# >> >> 732.363.PINT >> >> >AND >> >NAME OF COURSE IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY >> >> I've always liked the math courses. How about... >> >> Tensor Calculus > >Wow! Impressive! Here I had it narrowed down to St.Andrews and Pebble >Beach of all the thousands of courses I haven't already... > >Must be the weather;-) My son has been playing golf on the jr. circuit. Personally, I find it boring and an expensive waste of time. However, my son might find himself a way to college on a golf scholarship so I've been supportive of his pastime. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:03:45 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Now I've seen everything Message-ID: <46297F11.2FD5FF38@spam.comcast.net> Marc Van Dyck wrote: > > After serious thinking David J Dachtera wrote : > > > > Any chance you have a URL? Tried searching OpenVMS.org and Encompass/US and > > came up empty. Even tried searching my e-mail archive of VMS SIG e-mail - no > > schmae. > > > > Goto http://www.hp-interex.be/wiki/index.php/Main_Page and follow the > appropriate links. That page is in english. Not sure what you're referring to then. Slide 18 of "performance_cookbook.ppt" clearly shows that an I64 SuperDome with 16 CPUs is still almost 50% slower at memory access than a 16 CPU Alpha GS1280. Until that gets corrected (50% faster than Alpha, or at least achieve parity), I64 SuperDomes will still be lack-lustre, at best. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:46:00 +0200 From: Michiel Erens Subject: Re: Old VMS games Message-ID: <46290a09@news.nb.nu> Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER wrote: > In article , > "Lukas Th. Hey" writes: >> rumor has it that you'll find the desired software at: >> >> http://vms.tuwien.ac.at/freewarev40/000000/ > > It seems, that this is a copy of the VMS Freeware v4 collection > which is also at the HP site. It contains a X11 game SNAKE4, but not > that VT game I referred to, and (so far) no sign of QIX (also VT) either... Although it is on a BSD site, this directory looks VMS-like : http://ftp2.de.freebsd.org/pub/vms/ -- ME Posted by news://news.nb.nu (http://www.nb.nu) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:04:58 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: Old VMS games Message-ID: In article <46291239$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) wrote: > Can some kind soul drop me a copy of QIX and SNAKE (or point me to a source) > > Many TIA If you have a problem accessing those, please drop me an email at lastname at encompasserve.org -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:17:32 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: Old VMS games Message-ID: In article <46291918$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) wrote: > In article , "Lukas Th. Hey" > writes: > >rumor has it that you'll find the desired software at: > > > > http://vms.tuwien.ac.at/freewarev40/000000/ > > It seems, that this is a copy of the VMS Freeware v4 collection > which is also at the HP site. It contains a X11 game SNAKE4, but not > that VT game I referred to, and (so far) no sign of QIX (also VT) either... > Sorry, I sent you a link to SNAKE4. If you telnet to manson.vistech.net and log in using GAMES/PRESSPLAY, is that the SNAKE you are thinking of? -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 2007 22:38:02 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: Old VMS games Message-ID: <462940ca$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article <46290a09@news.nb.nu>, Michiel Erens writes: >Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER wrote: >> In article , >> "Lukas Th. Hey" writes: >>> rumor has it that you'll find the desired software at: >>> >>> http://vms.tuwien.ac.at/freewarev40/000000/ >> >> It seems, that this is a copy of the VMS Freeware v4 collection >> which is also at the HP site. It contains a X11 game SNAKE4, but not >> that VT game I referred to, and (so far) no sign of QIX (also VT) either... > >Although it is on a BSD site, this directory looks VMS-like : > http://ftp2.de.freebsd.org/pub/vms/ Bingo. QIX is there. Thanks a lot -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 2007 22:39:12 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: Old VMS games Message-ID: <46294110$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article , "P. Sture" writes: >Sorry, I sent you a link to SNAKE4. If you telnet to manson.vistech.net >and log in using GAMES/PRESSPLAY, is that the SNAKE you are thinking of? Nope. It was single user only. But thanks for the link. Nice food for my bookmarks -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:34:06 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: Old VMS games Message-ID: In article <46294110$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) wrote: > In article , "P. Sture" > writes: > >Sorry, I sent you a link to SNAKE4. If you telnet to manson.vistech.net > >and log in using GAMES/PRESSPLAY, is that the SNAKE you are thinking of? > > Nope. It was single user only. > But thanks for the link. Nice food for my bookmarks More games are available there on the Alpha system: gein.vistech.net -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 2007 23:43:42 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com Subject: Re: Old VMS games Message-ID: Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER wrote: > Can some kind soul drop me a copy of QIX and SNAKE (or point me to a source) The best place I'm aware of to obtain such things is the virtually impossible to obtain "VAX/VMS Hobbyist V1" CD-ROM. I treat my CD like the precious object it is! Zane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:13:37 GMT From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: [OpenVMS V8.3] AUTOGEN Message-ID: In article , "P. Sture" wrote: >In article <4628d393$1@news.langstoeger.at>, > peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) wrote: > >> In OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 there was/is an annoyance with running AUTOGEN >> bringing a >> >> ****************** >> %AUTOGEN-W-REPORT, please read AUTOGEN warnings in >> SYS$SYSTEM:AGEN$PARAMS.REPORT >> ****************** >> >> in addition to a >> >> %AUTOGEN-I-REPORT, AUTOGEN has produced some informational messages which >> have been stored in the file SYS$SYSTEM:AGEN$PARAMS.REPORT. You may >> wich to review the information in that file >> >> while in the said SYS$SYSTEM:AGEN$PARAMS.REPORT there is only a ** Note ** >> but no warning at all. >> >> Does anyone know if OpenVMS V8.3 has this fixed already? >> >> TIA > >No. A brief look at AUTOGEN.COM shows that something like: > >-------- >The following concerns were detected within MODPARAMS.DAT > >** Note ** - Multiple MIN values found for MIN_GBLSECTIONS. > Using MODPARAMS value (1000) which is superseding VMS value (600) >-------- > >will define the logical name agen$warning_message as 1, and trigger the >%AUTOGEN-W-REPORT message. There's been an ongoing effort to stamp out these spurious messages. If some have crept back in, they are bugs and should be fixed. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:24:34 -0500 From: "Craig A. Berry" Subject: Re: [OpenVMS] GNU C current status? Message-ID: In article <4628e6c9$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) wrote: > Does anybody know the current status of GNU C on OpenVMS? Aside from a very old VAX port, I've never heard of anything viable available for free. Ada Core Technologies maintains enough of GCC on OpenVMS Alpha and Itanium to build their Ada compiler, but I don't think they make it available separately and it would probably need boatloads of additional work on headers and libraries to provide a fully functioning C or C++ environment. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 2007 16:08:21 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: [OpenVMS] GNU C current status? Message-ID: In article <4628e6c9$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) writes: > Does anybody know the current status of GNU C on OpenVMS? > > Is it considered useless (eg. because of the DEC C compiler quality)? > Is it matured (last version I know of was from folks at progis.de. > (about VMS V6 times) as I can't find it on the HP VMS freeware pages > and some more of the usual places (but I continue searching ;-) > > I was asked for GNU C (and GNU C++) for OpenVMS Alpha (V8.3) but have to > ask you now (and I don't know yet if DEC C/CXX would suffice for him). The last time I stuck some GNU code into DEC C it complained about a syntax error for a GNU feature "not yet implemented". I thought it was interesting that it could parse far enough to recognise the feature. Unless you need some gnu-ism that DEC C doesn't have, you'll be happier with the code DEC C generates. The last time I looked the gnu site still had a pointer to the progis port. But with the hobbyist program there's very little interest in maintaining a free compiler. The current round of the gnu compiler collection has not been ported that I've heard of. I don't think the gnu C has been ported to VMS on Itanium, either. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.217 ************************