INFO-VAX Thu, 29 Mar 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 176 Contents: Re: Capturing and using NT login for security with Apache HP drops its DEC line of Media Center PCs Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 on DEC 3000/600 with PMAGD-BA Graphics Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 on DEC 3000/600 with PMAGD-BA Graphics Re: OT Rules of Engagement WAS: Time for C.O.V.subgroups ? Re: OT: Re: Phoenix electric cars Re: OT: Re: Phoenix electric cars Re: OT: Re: Phoenix electric cars Re: OT: 216 Billion Americans Squirrels Are Scientifically Illiterate (Part 36) Re: OT: Re: Rules of Engagement WAS: Time for C.O.V.subgroups ? Re: Suitable news readers - Was: Re: COV: Time change during boot after system change Re: Time change during boot after system change RE: Time change during boot after system change Re: Time change during boot after system change Re: Time change during boot after system change Re: Time for C.O.V.subgroups ? VMS suitable terminal emulators, was: Re: Suitable news readers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:23:34 GMT From: "Colin Butcher" Subject: Re: Capturing and using NT login for security with Apache Message-ID: If you use TOMCAT ("server-side Java") to generate the pages then there's a way to have Users authenticate against the server system by "logging in". I don't know the specifics as I've not done it myself, but I've seen it done. There's also this useful looking chunk of information about Apache and .HTACCESS files with what looks like VMS authentication at http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/docs/openvms_notes_apache.html ... AllowOverride AuthConfig <-- lets .HTACCESS take over Options ExecCGI Order allow,deny Allow from all 1.. File ".HTACCESS" after modification AuthType Basic AuthAuthoritative On AuthName "ICSIS Bell-ATS Authentication" AuthOpenVMSUser On AuthOpenVMSAuthoritative On require valid-user ... -- Cheers, Colin. Legacy = Stuff that works properly! ------------------------------ Date: 29 Mar 2007 06:56:54 -0700 From: "gruisinger" Subject: HP drops its DEC line of Media Center PCs Message-ID: <1175176614.070785.112440@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> the headline here confused me for a second: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070328-hp-drops-its-dec-line-of-media-center-pcs.html HP drops its DEC line of Media Center PCs By Jeremy Reimer | Published: March 28, 2007 - 07:56PM CT CE Pro has reported that Hewlett-Packard is abandoning its Digital Entertainment Center (DEC) business unit, which produced computers running Windows Media Center Edition (MCE) in living room-friendly form factors. HP confirmed the report, but added that the company is still selling computers with Vista Home Premium and Vista Ultimate Edition installed, both of which come with MCE software. HP now plans to focus their efforts on the company's MediaSmart line of televisions that come bundled with HP's own media playback and Internet video streaming software. HP channel development manager Doug Robert said "This not a statement about Media Center PCs. It doesn't mean Media Center isn't going to be successful. It's just that we're discontinuing development." Regardless of this statement, it is clear that Media Center's penetration of the living room has been somewhat less than a success. Microsoft, for its part, claimed last May that over 10 million copies of MCE had been sold, at a rate of a million units per month. However, this figure includes all PCs sold with the MCE version of Windows included-most of these PCs do not include TV tuner cards and thus cannot record and play back television programs, a key function of MCE itself. Many people purchase PCs bundled with Media Center and never even know that the functionality is available. Why hasn't MCE taken off in the living room? The main issue has been one of price. PC retailers have tried to take advantage of the "wow" factor of MCE and fancy VCR-like cases to sell MCE machines at a high markup. MCE itself does not require a very powerful machine to operate- it can run on as slow as a 1GHz CPU-but these MCE boxes were typically sold as high-end units. The general public is used to paying very little for recording devices such as VCRs, and even TiVo has been forced to subsidize the cost of its recording device with monthly subscription fees. The other problem preventing widespread adoption of MCE has been a lack of public awareness about what it actually does. Most people whom I have shown my Media Center to have been impressed, and some have gone on to obtain MCE PCs of their own after seeing a demonstration. However, all of these people-including myself-built said MCE systems from parts, saving a considerable amount over purchasing a complete unit at retail. Unfortunately for DIY enthusiasts, this option only works for non-HD setups-devices such as the ATI Digital Cable Tuner are only available bundled with a retail MCE PC. Such moves have essentially locked the DYI crowd into less attractive options, and the net effect is that the early adopters Microsoft so badly needs are all turned away by these sad limitations. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Mar 2007 02:59:04 -0700 From: "urbancamo" Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 on DEC 3000/600 with PMAGD-BA Graphics Message-ID: <1175162344.031273.306450@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> > So, better install OpenVMS Alpha V8.3 (which has 2D drivers for a lot > of the older graphic cards) and forget OPEN3D (and therefor 3D at all). > Peter, Thanks for the info. How would I go about getting installation media for OpenVMS V8.3? Regards, Mark. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Mar 2007 08:48:44 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 on DEC 3000/600 with PMAGD-BA Graphics Message-ID: In article <1175099572.278365.53020@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, "urbancamo" writes: > Hi, > > I've search the newsgroups but can't get a definitive answer to my > question. > > Will the hobby version of OpenVMS (7.3-1) I believe for Alpha/AXP > install on a DEC 3000 Model 600 with a PMAGD-BA (also known as ZLX-E2) > 24-bit plane graphics card? There is no such thing as a hobby version. Hobbyists use the real thing. > >>From my searches it would appear that I may need to install the Open3D > product to get an X-Window display. If this is the case, do I require > a license for this as it would appear that the standard hobbyiest > license pack does not include a license for Open3D. If I ould require > 2D operation, will the base operating system install a working X- > Server for this graphics card. Ah, so you want to know if the hobbyist license covers this option. That's a more accurate question. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Mar 2007 08:25:12 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OT Rules of Engagement WAS: Time for C.O.V.subgroups ? Message-ID: In article <32d27$460a7119$cef8887a$6977@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: > Bob Koehler wrote: >>> (Are you breathlessly waiting for someone to ask what 'MG' stands for? >>> I certainly don't know...) >> >> Motors General. My brother owned one, and it convinced me to be >> wary of things both mechanical and British. > > Starting this week, MG is now chinese. They have physically transported the last > MG plant from the UK to china. I think it is Nanjing Motors who is the new owner > and production of new MGs ha begun this week in china. BBC showed some of the > original equipment, including the fuel pumps that load the first fuel into the > car, and still very british with the price of fuel in british currency :-) Nanjing Motors? Are they the ones who want to export under the name Cherry? Remind me to find out and avoid any product inheriting so much as a bolt from MG. I'd much rather they'd scarfed up Delorian, at least those are usefull in movie making. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:10:13 -0500 From: "Island Computers, D B Turner" Subject: Re: OT: Re: Phoenix electric cars Message-ID: <130nek4ocvc658c@news.supernews.com> Sounds like you need to move to another city ! -- Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St Savannah GA 31404 Tel: 912 447 6622 x201 Mail: dturner-atnospam-islandco-com (You know what to do with the dashes) "David J Dachtera" wrote in message news:460B1BBE.19B3E890@spam.comcast.net... > "Island Computers, D B Turner" wrote: > > > > Only problem > > > > They start at $45000 > > ...now. As their suppliers begin to experience economies of scale, I'd expect > that to come down closer to $30,000 which is comparable to many "nice" cars and > a fair number of SUVs. > > Actually, I'm hoping these will be available before my 2003 Taurus reaches its > own EOL (or gets totalled - it's been hit three times since I've had it: a bad > right-turn, an uninsured illegal and a drunk, just last night). > > -- > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems > http://www.djesys.com/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page > http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ > > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: 29 Mar 2007 08:39:15 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OT: Re: Phoenix electric cars Message-ID: In article <56vgfkF2a1kmeU1@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > > That was the peice I couldn't find that I was waiting for. Kind of like > the Hydrogen Fuel Cell car that debuted at the Tokyo Auto Show. Hype > said it would revolutionize the car industry. Pricetag: $150,000 > Yeah, I can see everybody running right out to buy one of them. You don't have to buy your hydrgen car, you can rent one. There's a specialist shop in Florida which will rent you an H powered Hummer for your vacation visit. But don't plan on using it for anything more than airport to/from hotel. It has a 60 mile range and the rental shop is the only available refueling station. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Mar 2007 08:42:52 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OT: Re: Phoenix electric cars Message-ID: In article <130kvp5en1urdf0@news.supernews.com>, "Island Computers, D B Turner" writes: > Only problem > > They start at $45000 IIRC the H2 was priced at $48K to compete directly with the Lincoln Aviator. Of course, the pictures on the Phoenix web site show something a little smaller in the SUV line. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Mar 2007 08:35:41 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OT: 216 Billion Americans Squirrels Are Scientifically Illiterate (Part 36) Message-ID: <49vXe8lcbBif@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <56v7fnF29prb2U1@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > Supposedly, diesels polute less than cars. Burning less fuel gives them a significant advantage here. But burning diesel fuel has caused them to emit much higher levels of NO. Recent tehnoogy, including new fuel blends, have significantly cut down the NO, but not as low as gas engines. NO issues are location dependent. Here the NO is checked during the emissions test because we live in a area that has issues, friends in another county don't even get their NO measured. Right now I think diesels don't get measured for NO, that may have to change if diesels become more popular. So I'll consider a diesel next time I buy a car (I grew up with diesels), but I'm keeping an eye on electrics. There have been two promising tchnologies announced recently that may make an electric commuter car a reality (right now what I've seen is sticktly fr running around downtown and nothing looks promising for long distance). ------------------------------ Date: 29 Mar 2007 10:22:31 GMT From: Doc Subject: Re: OT: Re: Rules of Engagement WAS: Time for C.O.V.subgroups ? Message-ID: JF Mezei wrote in news:460aef86$0$14416$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com: > Since we are discussing rules of engagement here, does this mean that > the Geneva Convention applies to this battle of wits in COV ? > > If so, I would like to remind everyone that duct taping prisoners and > threathening then with Dave Froble's baseball bats would not be > allowed :-) Unwrapping is the nasty part. http://www.schlockmercenary.com/d/20030418.html Doc. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Mar 2007 08:44:30 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Suitable news readers - Was: Re: COV: Message-ID: In article <56vrfdF2ai3ctU1@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > > Have you looked at putty? I have no idea how it work on a MAc, but it > seems to work OK on PC's. Of course I also haven't tried it with any > program as terminal dependant as, say, LSE. But it is definitely beter > than Xterm. :-) > puTTY is available for Mac now? I'll have to look into that. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:02:50 -0400 From: "Jeff Goodwin" Subject: Time change during boot after system change Message-ID: <460bc713$0$24733$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> We've just replaced a leased ES45 with a DS25 on March 28th. The DS25 booted to the same system disk/root that the ES45 used. During the boot process, the time advanced one hour ahead. %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 28-MAR-2007 12:22:18.38 %%%%%%%%%%% Message from user SYSTEM on XXXXXX %SECSRV-I-CIASTARTINGUP, breakin detection and evasion processing now starting up %STARTUP-I-AUDITCONTINUE, audit server initialization complete %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 28-MAR-2007 13:22:25.81 %%%%%%%%%%% Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on XXXXXX Security alarm (SECURITY) and security audit (SECURITY) on XXXXXX, system id: 15373 Auditable event: Audit server starting up Event time: 28-MAR-2007 13:22:25.77 PID: 24C00805 Username: SYSTEM The SYS$TIMEZONE_NAME/_DIFFERENTIAL logicals were also wrong as they were set to EST, not EDT. The SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE was correct in that it contained the new DST rules. I've run UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM to correct the issue on the running system. The ES45 system was set up for AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV and it did weather the time change properly in March. All patches as of 12/2006 were installed on this OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 system. I'm at a loss as to what happened. Anyone have any ideas? -Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:59:55 -0400 From: "Jeff Goodwin" Subject: Re: Time change during boot after system change Message-ID: <460be282$0$17165$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER" wrote in message news:460bf9c9$1@news.langstoeger.at... > In article <460bc713$0$24733$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, "Jeff Goodwin" > writes: >>I'm at a loss as to what happened. Anyone have any ideas? > > Only the obvious: Did you boot it into the same root of the system disk? yes > > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER > Network and OpenVMS system specialist > E-mail peter@langstoeger.at > A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:09:43 -0400 From: "Koska, John C. \(LNG-ALB\)" Subject: RE: Time change during boot after system change Message-ID: Was UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM in SYS$MANAGER area run after TZ patch? I am thinking it should have, if it was not; and with the proper data inputs for your zone to get the desired effect. :) jck=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Goodwin [mailto:jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com]=20 > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 12:00 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Time change during boot after system change >=20 >=20 > "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER" wrote in=20 > message news:460bf9c9$1@news.langstoeger.at... > > In article <460bc713$0$24733$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,=20 > "Jeff Goodwin"=20 > > writes: > >>I'm at a loss as to what happened. Anyone have any ideas? > > > > Only the obvious: Did you boot it into the same root of the=20 > system disk? >=20 > yes >=20 > > > > -- > > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER > > Network and OpenVMS system specialist > > E-mail peter@langstoeger.at > > A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist,=20 > I'm a realist=20 >=20 >=20 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:58:29 +0200 From: Paul Sture Subject: Re: Time change during boot after system change Message-ID: In article <460bc713$0$24733$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, "Jeff Goodwin" wrote: > We've just replaced a leased ES45 with a DS25 on March 28th. The DS25 > booted to the same system disk/root that the ES45 used. During the boot > process, the time advanced one hour ahead. > > %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 28-MAR-2007 12:22:18.38 %%%%%%%%%%% > Message from user SYSTEM on XXXXXX > %SECSRV-I-CIASTARTINGUP, breakin detection and evasion processing now > starting up > > %STARTUP-I-AUDITCONTINUE, audit server initialization complete > > %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 28-MAR-2007 13:22:25.81 %%%%%%%%%%% > Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on XXXXXX > Security alarm (SECURITY) and security audit (SECURITY) on XXXXXX, system > id: 15373 > Auditable event: Audit server starting up > Event time: 28-MAR-2007 13:22:25.77 > PID: 24C00805 > Username: SYSTEM > > The SYS$TIMEZONE_NAME/_DIFFERENTIAL logicals were also wrong as they were > set to EST, not EDT. The SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE was correct in that it contained > the new DST rules. I've run UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM to correct the issue on the > running system. > > The ES45 system was set up for AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV and it did weather the time > change properly in March. All patches as of 12/2006 were installed on this > OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 system. > > I'm at a loss as to what happened. Anyone have any ideas? > Not sure if this is related but last October, a couple of days after upgrading to V8.3, a reboot caused my system to spring forward an hour, and a second reboot did the same. Did you see messages similar to the following? ---- %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  22-OCT-2006 15:16:10.52  %%%%%%%%%%% Message from user SYSTEM on MYNODE TDF-I-SETTDF TDF set new timezone differential %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  22-OCT-2006 16:16:11.11  %%%%%%%%%%% Message from user SYSTEM on MYNODE %TDF-I-TDFSET, Summer time or standard time changeover - new SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL=7200/old=3600. ---- Running UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM also fixed this for me. -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:09:13 -0400 From: "Jeff Goodwin" Subject: Re: Time change during boot after system change Message-ID: <460be4b1$0$18886$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> "Paul Sture" wrote in message news:paul.sture.nospam-62114D.17582929032007@mac.sture.ch... > In article <460bc713$0$24733$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, > "Jeff Goodwin" wrote: > .snip. > Not sure if this is related but last October, a couple of days after > upgrading to V8.3, a reboot caused my system to spring forward an hour, > and a second reboot did the same. Did you see messages similar to the > following? > > ---- > %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 22-OCT-2006 15:16:10.52 %%%%%%%%%%% > Message from user SYSTEM on MYNODE > TDF-I-SETTDF TDF set new timezone differential > > %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 22-OCT-2006 16:16:11.11 %%%%%%%%%%% > Message from user SYSTEM on MYNODE > %TDF-I-TDFSET, Summer time or standard time changeover - new > SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL=7200/old=3600. > ---- I rechecked my console logs. I have no such messages. - Jeff > > Running UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM also fixed this for me. > > -- > Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: 29 Mar 2007 10:19:12 -0700 From: "Doug Phillips" Subject: Re: Time for C.O.V.subgroups ? Message-ID: <1175188752.770576.96970@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Mar 28, 7:21 am, Mark Daniel wrote: > Bill Todd wrote: > > Mark Daniel wrote: > > > ... > > >> My regrets over sounding like a weasle-wording moralizer. > > > No problem: those of us with differing opinions likely won't pay any > > more attention to yours than you seem to be paying to ours. > > > But just in case you're able to accept a clue when offered one: the > > Argumentum ad hominem - used all too frequently in this one-time > technical forum. > As if those users actually understand debate. Oh, and ad hominem seems to be used just as often in many purely technical discussions. > > > > problem is simple - c.o.v. doesn't have nearly enough technical volume > > to keep large portions of its denizens interested. Most of us stick > > around not because there's anything significant going on here but just > > in case there might be (and those without great patience and/or optimism > > in this regard left long ago). > Some people left after VMS became irrelevant to them. Some left after being shouted down or insulted by the techno-bigots and pedants. Some passed away. Some are still here. Some still arrive. Some never came. > > So when something interesting even if off-topic comes along, it's > > entirely natural for such people (who formed a community long ago) to > > bat it around. If you don't like it, just ignore it - just as others of > > us manage to ignore areas that we don't find relevant (that, by the way, > > is also a form of discipline - I've never needed any help from killfiles > > or similar mechanisms to ignore subjects, or people, I found > > uninteresting). > > > Or not. But don't expect your personal preferences to govern the > > conduct of others, or to be respected any more than you respect those of > > others. A lot of us have been around here for long enough that we're > > entirely comfortable making our own decisions about how to interact, > > thank you - and it's crystal-clear that a non-negligible portion of the > > populace (those threads you've got a hair across your ass about have > > *lots* of contributors) just plain don't agree with you and aren't in > > the least bothered by that. > > > - bill > > My mistake. The original posting sounded like a request for comment. > It was. > It is all well and good to suggest that off-topic posts be ignored but > there comes a point where the signal-to-noise ratio becomes so low (and > a complimentary measure, ego-to-signal ratio becoming so high) as to > make the application of a filter pointless. > Your only effective filter is you. > I'd still suggest c.o.v has a charter as a technical forum, I can't find the c.o.v. charter. Link please? > substantially for discussion of topics related to VMS, and that those > flagrantly disregarding this constitution are the ones flouting the > original mores of this informal society. Times change. Of course > c.o.v. is an unmoderated group, and therefore self-moderated, and by > implication regulated by the inclinations of the society that has formed > within it. > > I do not believe I appealed to my personal preferences as the basis of > c.o.v. conduct but to the original USENET charter. Obviously without Okay, I looked again and the USENET and big 8 charter references I find aren't all that specific about conduct or content and leave it to individual group moderators and feed providers to do any discrimination. Got a link? > further substantiation of this position by the denizens of c.o.v. I am > the one out-of-step. Considering this I will withdraw my participation. > As you, Bill are the self-appointed spokesman for what is or is not > acceptable comment within c.o.v. I tender the resignation to yourself. > Please stick around. I, for one, would miss your contributions. There is no c.o.v. boss who can take your resignation, regardless of what some might think and say. > I would suggest that this further dilution of the technical content of > the group may go unnoticed and unmeasured but is a technical dilution > all the same. I would have imagined that the shrinking technical > community within VMS should be concerned about further contraction. > Apparently it is more interested in heat-pumps. > C.o.v is a diverse group of people. Going to alt.something.heat-pumps might find an expert on heat-pumps, but to have input from Doctors, Lawyers, Physicists, Chemists, Manufacturers, Clergymen, Musicians, Office Managers, Builders, Salesmen, Technicians, (Forgive me if I've left you out) and people who cover practically every area of interest imaginable, and write not only of the mechanics but of the philosophy and value of pumping heat, and maybe someone will have some VMS software to control heat-pumps, well, that's more interesting, to me anyway. That some might make inappropriate remarks is just the nature of any free discussion, even technical ones. Even moderated ones. The fact that we have that freedom should not be considered trivial. > Enjoy your chat-room. > > For the second time today I shake the dust from my feet. > Hey, stick around. There's still some technical stuff here. My purpose for posing the question was certainly not to drive anyone away! ------------------------------ Date: 29 Mar 2007 06:59:27 -0500 From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) Subject: VMS suitable terminal emulators, was: Re: Suitable news readers Message-ID: <49aTcPZ2XQlX@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <56vrfdF2ai3ctU1@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > > Have you looked at putty? I have no idea how it work on a MAc, but it > seems to work OK on PC's. Of course I also haven't tried it with any > program as terminal dependant as, say, LSE. But it is definitely beter > than Xterm. :-) > I use both xterm and putty under Linux. I have not come across any other viable Linux based emulation options when access to VMS systems, or use of the EDT keypad locally, is required. xterm does a good emulation, but it's user interface is appalling, especially the way that you have to click to scroll through the session history. It's keyboard mapping left a bit to be desired in old versions, but I understand that it's improved in recent versions (but I haven't tried it because I still use a keyboard mapping script that I came across a few years ago). Putty does an excellent emulation out of the box, including keyboard mapping, and works just fine with TPU (I'm using it under Linux to connect to Eisner to write this post). It's downsides are that it requires GTK version 1 and that it doesn't appear to use the line drawing character set, but the latter hasn't annoyed me enough to track down why this is the case. Putty's other downside, BTW, is that it doesn't do local sessions, otherwise I would be using it instead of xterm for that purpose. Simon. -- Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP Microsoft: Bringing you 1980's technology to a 21st century world ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.176 ************************