INFO-VAX Thu, 15 Mar 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 148 Contents: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Re: AMD's well may be running dry Re: AMD's well may be running dry Re: AMD's well may be running dry Re: AMD's well may be running dry Re: AMD's well may be running dry Re: AMD's well may be running dry Re: AMD's well may be running dry Re: AMD's well may be running dry Re: AMD's well may be running dry Re: Climatology was: AMD's well may be running dry Re: found .jb files Re: INSTALL-E-NOINST64B, cannot install images with 64-bit image sections sectio Re: Oracle Standard Edition for VMS Re: OT: charges dropped against Patrica Dunn Re: OT: charges dropped against Patrica Dunn Re: OT: charges dropped against Patrica Dunn Re: output from cron ssh to VMS? Re: output from cron ssh to VMS? Re: Power Consumption Re: Power Consumption (was: Re: AMD's well may be running dry) Re: Power-on Sef-Test Code SCSI Terminal Server by Central Data - ST-1016 Re: Shopping cart that works on VMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 15 Mar 2007 09:11:50 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: In article <1173878833.128049.135800@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, bob@instantwhip.com writes: > ever hear of the real Mt Siani being discovered in Saudi Arabia? > all the events of the Bible are real. not just stories ... > archaeology is proving it every day ... > try these links and if you want to find out ... All of the stories in any mythology are connected to real places and usually real people. The actuall location of the Mt. Siani referred to in the Bible is unknown, and has been argued for generations. Even the actual location of Jesus' birth is claimed by two different sites in modern Bethlehem, you can visit both of them today. More than one site has been investigated and found to have some evidence of wooden remains that could have been an ark. Lots of things can be fit into existing stories, proving those things are the real evidence is much harder. The actual archeological evidence for floods at about the time of Noah is real, but looks very different from the literal picture described by the Bible. So are we going to trust the old stones and dug up records which provide some support to the stories and powerfull evidence of evolution, or are they just tricks left in place by a God who wants to test our faith? ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2007 09:21:23 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: In article <8660a3a10703140735pc010fecm6b77aa3d8bd8fd86@mail.gmail.com>, "William Webb" writes: > > Ratification of foreign treaties is a function of the United States Senate, > not of the President. > He can't sign what they haven't ratified. (Well, I guess he could, but it > would be a meaningless gesture, and would not have the force of law.) The Executive Branch negotiates and signs treaties with foreign powers, before the treaty is sent to the Senate. The treaty has no legal force unless the Senate ratifies it, but the Senate will not look at a treaty that isn't signed. Presidents can, and often do, set policy consistent with treaties that have not been ratified, as far as his authority to set policies allows, and existing law does not prevent. > The Senate did debate ratification of Kyoto, and they rejected it 95-0. > That's Democrats and Republicans there, folks. > > And this didn't happen under Bush, it was under Clinton. In a Republican Senate. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 06:23:05 -0800 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:17:47 -0800, Bill Todd wrote: > Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> Bill Todd wrote: >>> Larry Kilgallen wrote: >>>> From: >>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070311/ap_on_bi_ge/amd_intel_shifting_fortunes;_ylt=Aq92wST7yGqKfikqJHJ7jCNj24cA >>>> SAN JOSE, Calif. - The high-flying Advanced Micro Devices Inc. of 2006 >>>> has given way to a company in financial peril, saddled with debt and >>>> bleeding from a brutal price battle with its larger and suddenly >>>> resurgent >>>> Silicon Valley archrival, Intel Corp. >>> >>> Yeah, right - especially the part about Intel having passed AMD >>> technologically, let alone being likely to stay there. >> Ask any teenager and he can tell you that Core 2 is >> the "must have" today. > > I'm afraid that teenagers aren't at (or even close to) the top of my > list of reliable sources. Among other things, even if they have a clue > at all they tend to be completely fixated on some aspects of performance > to the exclusion of others - and their ability to understand anything > but the immediate present (if even that) tends to be extremely limited. > > While too many adults may suffer from similar deficiencies (and while > this may be evident in AMD's stock-price gyrations), more responsible > individuals tend to dominate purchasing decisions in the areas most > important to AMD's continued health. IBM is going to 65nm for cell which is now being targeted to blades according to following http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=198000736 I believe that AMD and IBM have a technology sharing agreement, which could well result in much faster x86 chips from AMD > > - bill -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:26:39 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: <07031509263928_2020028F@antinode.org> From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) > In article <1173878833.128049.135800@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, bob@instantwhip.com writes: > > ever hear of the real Mt Siani being discovered in Saudi Arabia? > > [... more drool ...] > All of the stories in any mythology are connected to real places and > usually real people. [...] Mr. Koehler: 1. This is the wrong place for this discussion. Please take it elsewhere. 2. You don't seem to understand with what you're dealing here. For a good time, listen to this (one of my favorites): http://media.gospelcom.net/aig/Volume_072/31.mp3 For links to more: http://www.answersingenesis.org/answersmedia/searchProcess.aspx Against thinking ("thinking"?) like this, rational argument is powerless, hence pointless, and it only clutters this forum. You would be wise to give it up entirely, but I'd be satisfied if you'd just TAKE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. (Or are you just as dense as Bo[o]b?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:51:07 -0400 From: "William Webb" Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: <8660a3a10703150851m4325ded9t397dc3ce3625cc01@mail.gmail.com> ------=_Part_51174_23816039.1173973867876 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 15 Mar 2007 09:21:23 -0500, Bob Koehler < koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote: > > In article <8660a3a10703140735pc010fecm6b77aa3d8bd8fd86@mail.gmail.com>, > "William Webb" writes: > > > > Ratification of foreign treaties is a function of the United States > Senate, > > not of the President. > > He can't sign what they haven't ratified. (Well, I guess he could, but > it > > would be a meaningless gesture, and would not have the force of law.) > > The Executive Branch negotiates and signs treaties with foreign > powers, before the treaty is sent to the Senate. The treaty has > no legal force unless the Senate ratifies it, but the Senate > will not look at a treaty that isn't signed. Presidents can, and > often do, set policy consistent with treaties that have not been > ratified, as far as his authority to set policies allows, and > existing law does not prevent. > > > The Senate did debate ratification of Kyoto, and they rejected it 95-0. > > That's Democrats and Republicans there, folks. > > > > And this didn't happen under Bush, it was under Clinton. > > In a Republican Senate. Let's be precise here. It was a Senate with a slim Republican majority. In other words, not all 95 of those Senators were Republicans. Many of those votes against Kyoto were cast by some of the same Senators [of both parties] who are currently making the most sanctimonious statements about global warming. That's naked political hypocrisy, to say the least. WWWebb ------=_Part_51174_23816039.1173973867876 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On 15 Mar 2007 09:21:23 -0500, Bob Koehler <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote:
In article <8660a3a10703140735pc010fecm6b77aa3d8bd8fd86@mail.gmail.com >, "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> writes:
>
> Ratification of foreign treaties is a function of the United States Senate,
> not of the President.
> He can't sign what they haven't ratified.  (Well, I guess he could, but it
> would be a meaningless gesture, and would not have the force of law.)

  The Executive Branch negotiates and signs treaties with foreign
  powers, before the treaty is sent to the Senate.  The treaty has
  no legal force unless the Senate ratifies it, but the Senate
  will not look at a treaty that isn't signed.  Presidents can, and
  often do, set policy consistent with treaties that have not been
  ratified, as far as his authority to set policies allows, and
  existing law does not prevent.

> The Senate did debate ratification of Kyoto, and they rejected it 95-0.
> That's Democrats and Republicans there, folks.
>
> And this didn't happen under Bush, it was under Clinton.

  In a Republican Senate.
 
Let's be precise here.  It was a Senate with a slim Republican majority.
 
In other words, not all 95 of those Senators were Republicans.
 
Many of those votes against Kyoto were cast by some of the same Senators [of both parties] who are currently making the most sanctimonious statements about global warming.
 
That's naked political hypocrisy, to say the least.
 
WWWebb

 
------=_Part_51174_23816039.1173973867876-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:56:03 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: In article <1173917804.273795.156230@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, bob@instantwhip.com writes: >On Mar 14, 6:37 pm, "Neil Rieck" wrote: >> >> But when religion and science clash, I usually believe science. > >and your scientists are slowly discrediting evolution and proving >creation ... > Which scientists are slowly discrediting evolution ? >they have found that if even one star was out of order, Is this supposed to be a reference to the fine-tuning problem ? The fact that current scientific theories of the origin of the Universe have to have some very very constrained initial conditions set to allow Suns, planets and life to come into existence. There are three possible answers to that 1) God 2) Anthropomorthic principle together with an infinite number of possible universes 3) The current theories are incomplete and future theories will explain how the many initial conditions are linked. For instance if in a future theory the only initial condition needed, which then forced the values of all the currently required initial conditions, was zero then that might well be viewed as perfectly natural. >the whole >universe would be in chaos, > and in genetics they have reversed the >gene pool and proven we all came from the same man and woman >initially ... Not really. Go back 50 generations and you will not find that you have 2^50 ancestors (10^15 ie more than the current population on the earth). Go back far enough and you probably have genetic material from just about everybody alive at that time who had descendants. It is difficult to trace back most genetic material but two particular types can be traced back. Mitochondrial DNA is just passed down the maternal line and the Y chromosome is just passed down the male line. Because a Woman may only have sons and a Man might only father daughters mitochondrial DNA variations and Y chromosome variations may die out over time. Mitochondrial Eve was not the only women alive when she lived she just happens to be the bearer of the last mutation in the mitochondrial DNA which is common to all Humans alive today (as far as is known). Those females alive at the same time as her with different mitochondrial DNA all had descendents who at sometime dead-ended by producing either no descendants or just sons. Similarly for Y chromosonal Adam. However those other Men and Women who had descendents would have provided other genetic material to those living today. Mitochondrial Eve is estimated to have lived about 140,000 years ago whereas Y chromosonal Adam is estimated to have lived only 60,000 years ago. ie This Adam and this Eve were not alive at the same time. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University > >science is proving the Bible, not disproving it ... > ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2007 11:59:45 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: In article <45F88DDC.8CEC5D6D@spam.comcast.net>, David J Dachtera writes: > david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: (lost attribution?) >> >> http://www.hydrogen.co.uk/h2_now/journal/articles/3_Methane.htm > > Nothing new. > > Neither is climatic change. It's going to happen. Would have happened even if > humans had not evolved or developed mechanized industry. Yep, climate change is inevitable and woul have happened even if we weren't here. That doesn't mean we have to contribute to it, or sit back and ignore what we can do about it. What's the point of evolving if we're just going to let nature kill our children off? > It will run its course. This is inevitable and inescapable. So is rain, drought, and wind. We've been doing things about them for ages. I don't think we can grossly overcome changes due to major cycles of solar activity, but we can consider doing some things. > Let's all just get over it and get back to business providing for our families. Keeping my descendants alive is providing for them, even if it's a matter of centuries from now. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2007 12:01:55 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: In article <1173917804.273795.156230@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, bob@instantwhip.com writes: > On Mar 14, 6:37 pm, "Neil Rieck" wrote: >> >> But when religion and science clash, I usually believe science. > > and your scientists are slowly discrediting evolution and proving > creation ... BULL. > they have found that if even one star was out of order, the whole > universe would be in chaos, and in genetics they have reversed the > gene pool and proven we all came from the same man and woman > initially ... That is the most ridiculous thing I've read today. > science is proving the Bible, not disproving it ... Faith is not provable, and most of the important points of the Bible aren't, either. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2007 12:05:26 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: In article <1173959513.942059.98020@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, bob@instantwhip.com writes: > > I will trust God on these matters since He wrote the Bible ... > science knows NOTHING about the universe, they can't even > figure out things here yet ... According to the Bible, human beings wrote the Bible. One of them has even been identified by position (as he wrote in the Bible), and by name (as discovered by historians). Or don't you believe what the Bible says? ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2007 12:13:43 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: In article <07031509263928_2020028F@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) writes: > 2. You don't seem to understand with what you're dealing here. For > a good time, listen to this (one of my favorites): I know exactly how clueless these people can be. If you don't care to see this drivel here, then you should probably killfile the thread. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2007 09:13:26 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Climatology was: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: In article , "Tom Linden" writes: > > Now, these guys are invetment advisors, and they are simply lookin at it > from > the point of view, whether there is an financial opportunity in the global > warming debate. Never-the-less, interesting reading. Right, we should all get our scientific advice from Wall Street. IMHO they have even less credibility than politicians. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2007 09:14:39 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: found .jb files Message-ID: In article <45f8007e_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net>, "chris" writes: > Ive found some old .jb files and .cd files in an old directory on our > cluster > what are .jb files and can i view them , (apart from edt or type)? These are not standard tyes in VMS lingo. I'd use dump first to see whether or not they contain ASCII data, and if they do then I'd use type. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:13:43 +0100 From: Albrecht Schlosser Subject: Re: INSTALL-E-NOINST64B, cannot install images with 64-bit image sections sectio Message-ID: <2f4oc4-oo1.ln1@news.hus-software.de> John Reagan wrote: > Albrecht Schlosser wrote: > >> >> Yes, COMMON blocks, i.e. data. Something like: >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> COMMON /MVECOM/ MDMVER >> C >> C 64-Bit-Adressraum >> C >> CDEC$ ATTRIBUTES ADDRESS64 :: MVECOM >> ------------------------------------------- >> >> and a linker option: >> >> PSECT_ATTRIBUTES = MVECOM,NOSHR,NOWRT,PAGE >> > > Thanks! I've asked the INSTALL person if a newer OpenVMS Alpha would help. Thanks again for asking, but has there been an answer since ? Albrecht ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:12:09 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: Oracle Standard Edition for VMS Message-ID: Hi Malcom, > I thought the principle was that Oracle EE and Rdb were priced > identically, That is/was my understanding also (emphasis on the first "E" of EE). > Are you > saying that has changed or is it just the announcement of "per chip" vs > "per core" licensing for Oracle that concerns you. Is Oracle not offering > the same deal for Rdb on Itanium. If not I would expect their Rdb customers > to lean on them to do so. Me too, but I expect the per-chip/per-core to be a global, philisopical, sea-change type of event and would be surprised if Rdb differed from Orrible in this regard. > fwiw Oracle EE costs $40,000/processor (read "chip" here I guess ) or > $800/named user (prices from the oraclestore website). What are Rdb prices > these days? > > otoh Oracle SE retails for $15,000/processor and offers about 90% of the > functionality of EE ( YMMV depending on which features you consider > important ). > > Oracle prices are the same for all architectures/operating systems. > > Does that help or have I completely missed the point? > More *great* news! I personally have never seen Oracle Rdb "S"tandard "E"dition, but if you tell me that Kevin Duffy is now down the market selling Rdb out of his suitcase for $15k a pop then I'm absolutely over the bloody moon! Up until your soothing words I had feared that Oracle's carrot-and-bludgeon approach to the VMS DBMS market place meant that the Orrible Granny-Smith would be selling for 35% of the cost of the Rdb Pink-Lady, all on VMS's new commodity hardware, consolidated servers. Surely such a disparity would have put Rdb in its grave and spat on it on the way down :-( So now with Rdb SE, what goes into Rdb EE? Does Hot Standby and Parallel Backup (and all the other stuff that you had to buy the high-performance Mut's-Nuts package for) now form the basis of Rdb EE at the old "JustRdb" price? Cheers Richard Maher "Malcolm Dunnett" wrote in message news:45f87b20$1@flight... > "Richard Maher" wrote in message > news:et9q2b$8du$1@news-01.bur.connect.com.au... > > > Only a complete misery guts could find *any* fault with these developments > > but a slight sour point here *could* be the chasm-like void developing > > between Rdb and Orrible Oracle pricing on VMS :-( Even if list prices are > > only a guide, does someone have a brief comparison of the new 10g -vs- Rdb > > prices on VMS? > > I thought the principle was that Oracle EE and Rdb were priced > identically, > that was the case when I had both (but that was some years ago). Are you > saying that has changed or is it just the announcement of "per chip" vs > "per core" licensing for Oracle that concerns you. Is Oracle not offering > the same deal for Rdb on Itanium. If not I would expect their Rdb customers > to lean on them to do so. > > fwiw Oracle EE costs $40,000/processor (read "chip" here I guess ) or > $800/named user (prices from the oraclestore website). What are Rdb prices > these days? > > otoh Oracle SE retails for $15,000/processor and offers about 90% of the > functionality of EE ( YMMV depending on which features you consider > important ). > > Oracle prices are the same for all architectures/operating systems. > > Does that help or have I completely missed the point? > > ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2007 00:53:18 -0700 From: "Bob Gezelter" Subject: Re: OT: charges dropped against Patrica Dunn Message-ID: <1173945198.598417.62200@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Mar 14, 5:21 pm, "Ian Miller" wrote: > "Criminal charges have been dropped against former Hewlett Packard > (HP) chairwoman Patricia Dunn in connection with a corporate spying > scandal." > > Read more on BBC newshttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6451843.stm Ian, Actually, the story on this side of the pond (see http://money.cnn.com/2007/03/14/technology/hpq/index.htm?postversion=2007031419 ), is that the California Attorney General's office presented the charges and the judge dropped them. with the concurrence of the Attorney General, in light of Ms. Dunn's medical condition (four bouts with cancer since 2000, the latest ovarian cancer in 2004; with a liver malignancy "last year"). For those international readers not intimately familiar with the US legal system, there is still a federal inquiry into the matter. That is completely separate from the California matter. This is a far more complex situation than the prosecutor just "dropping the charges". I will not editorialize, but I suggest that people read the CNN Money article referenced in this posting. - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2007 02:43:24 -0700 From: "Ian Miller" Subject: Re: OT: charges dropped against Patrica Dunn Message-ID: <1173951804.308656.179110@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> I realise that this will be reported in varying amounts of detail in the UK and USA and from different points of view. This is a good thing. I posted the BBC link as I had not seen any mention of this development in a case much discussed in this place previously. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2007 12:07:32 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OT: charges dropped against Patrica Dunn Message-ID: In article <45f88dce$0$90262$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= writes: > Ian Miller wrote: >> "Criminal charges have been dropped against former Hewlett Packard >> (HP) chairwoman Patricia Dunn in connection with a corporate spying >> scandal." >> >> Read more on BBC news >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6451843.stm > > Not knowing what what was going on may be good enough > to walk free in a trial. > > But not exactly a good recommendation for a leader. The defense says that the charges were dropped because she is not guilty. The prosecutors say the charges were dropped because she has a serious case of ovarian cancer. I think it was the prosecutors who had to convince the judge to allow the charges be dropped. I would much rather that she be healthy and prosecuted. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2007 10:14:28 -0400 From: colonel@monmouth.com (World's Largest Leprechaun) Subject: Re: output from cron ssh to VMS? Message-ID: In , koehler@eisner.aspm.encompasserve.org wrote: > > cron capabilities and features vary widely across UNIX, and I don't > know the Linux cron very well. That being said, I try a few quick > cron jobs to find out what username the job is really running under, > it may not be the same one you're using interactively. > > Security auditing on the VMS system may give you a clue as to > failures related to coming in as the wrong username. Accounting > records can give you the exit status if the connection is being made > to the VMS system but failing for some other reason. That's a good idea, but ssh works for this task in other respects. The DCL script that I run with ssh to the remote VMS host runs and compiles our software. I just get no output from ssh. I suspect that it's a limitation of VMS. I may experiment with VMS batch jobs to see whether they too lose the output of ssh. -:- 'PATAGEOMETRY, n.: The study of those mathematical properties which are invariant under brain transplants. -- Col. G. L. Sicherman home: colonel@mail.monmouth.com work: George.Sicherman@Netrics.com web: ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2007 12:12:16 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: output from cron ssh to VMS? Message-ID: In article , colonel@monmouth.com (World's Largest Leprechaun) writes: > > That's a good idea, but ssh works for this task in other respects. > The DCL script that I run with ssh to the remote VMS host runs and > compiles our software. I just get no output from ssh. I suspect > that it's a limitation of VMS. I may experiment with VMS batch jobs > to see whether they too lose the output of ssh. I don't think VMS has the foggiest idea of whether you started the ssh on your Linux system interatively or from cron unless that changes the username or the output mapping on the Linux end. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:59:54 +0100 From: Paul Sture Subject: Re: Power Consumption Message-ID: In article <89e91$45f8413f$cef8887a$22487@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei wrote: > Stephen Hoffman wrote: > > It's as much about competition and marketing as anything else. > > Consider the advent of LCD displays and how quickly they have permeated just > about every computer display (and now consumer TV sets). Those consume about > 1/10s the power of their older CRT brothers, and even less when iddle. If you > have 100 employees, that is a HUGE savings on not only electricity to drive > the > displays, but also airconditioning load on the office space. > > The next step is to make computers more energy efficient. We could also take one step back from the electrical equipment itself and look at power bricks, certainly for home and small office environments. I currently have the following equipment, each with its own power brick: In full time use: cable modem router hub LCD monitor laptop 2 firewire drives Only plugged in when recharging: phone charger camera battery charger general battery recharger I know that other folks have more. It would make sense to have a common standard for such electrical equipment so that you could have one power brick which could supply n devices, at the voltage each requires and with an adequate power rating to supply the lot. As things stand at the moment, this isn't practical, as the instructions for most equipment usually include dire warnings about warranty being voided if you use something other than the manufacturer supplied power supply. Understandable from their point of view, as voltages and power consumption vary. But if a common standard were implemented to make this feasible, I predict that sales of a common poser supply would be quite large, simply for the convenience factor. If I get another computer related piece of kit which comes with a bulky power supply, I'm going to need yet another power strip... BTW, there is at least one manufacturer who has addressed the physical problem of power supplies too bulky to live with others on the same power strip or wall outlet, but I assume these are only suitable for US plugs and sockets. http://powersquid.net/ -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2007 06:47:47 -0700 From: "Andrew" Subject: Re: Power Consumption (was: Re: AMD's well may be running dry) Message-ID: <1173966467.401821.43900@e1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On 14 Mar, 18:16, Stephen Hoffman wrote: > Andrew wrote: > > Now you can understand Sun's motivation in this. The T1000/T2000 are > > very very very likely to score whatever the highest efficiency grade > > is... > > It's as much about competition and marketing as anything else. Does it matter. The fact is that many large corporations are running out of datacenter power and cooling capacity (not space) some are restricting the new servers going into their datacenter based on power characteristics and not physical size. I saw a couple of large HPC wins got to Sun rather than Dell who had the lowest cost bid because when you factored in the power and cooling costs the Dell boxes were more expensive over 1 year than the AMD based Sun's. Google is a great example of this, they pay great attention to the power/performance ratio. So there is a big market out there already for power efficient systems the only thing that the market lacks is a good way of measuring the relative efficiency of each platform. You can bet your bottom dollar that when that measure arrives that HP etc will start designing systems to get the best result for that metric in the same way that they do today for performance benchmarks. You can also bet your bottom dollar that customers will start deciding on which vendors platform to buy based on the metric much as consumers do today with A-G energy ratings. > Yes, efficiency factors in just like having a portable operating > system platform definition has its benefits, but making money and > marketeering factor in, too. > > If a vendor lock-out or a vendor lock-in exists or can be created, it > will almost certainly be used in a competitive situation. And these may > or may not be green -- there have been examples of so-called green > initiatives that have been inefficient, wasteful, energy-intensive or > polluting. > Of course but it rather difficult to see how measuring the performance/ watt of a server and then getting manufacturers to build systems that get the best performance on this metric will have a negative environmental impact. > Eco-friendly has turned into the antiseptic hand soap or the latest > in the colored-ribbon-for-something marketeering. Usually with just > enough of a fig leaf involved to avoid charges of crass commercialism. > > "Oh, how can so-and-so be against [insert strawman]?" > > So what percentage of power would be reduced by, say, solid state > disks replacing mechanical disks, or by better-integrated water cooling > or other technologies into new systems. The vendor marketeering of late > often focuses on the processors, but where's all the power really going > inside a typical computer? > You would be entirely wrong to think that processors are the only focus for energy saving. Recent Flash/Disk hybrid drives use a combination of large flash caches and conventional disk technology to improve performance and reduce power consumption. There is no need to write through the disk cache for reliability allowing the drive to spin down and spin up again when the cache reaches a high water mark and performance is improved by having a large NV cache on the disk. In the large array market at least one new entry is concentrating on technology that actively reduces the power footprint for storage systems. http://www.copansys.com/architecture/maid_technology.shtml > Spinning down disks, or moving to more efficient technologies, or > approaches such as the efficiencies gained from shared infrastructures > -- bigger fans or power supplies at efficient loads, for instance. > > And then there are the occasional design "surprises." Halting a > processor can require more power than running it an idle loop, for instance. > Possibly but the approach now being used is to adjust the clock speed of each individual core based on load this is one technique that AMD's Barcelona 4 core module uses to keep its power budget down to 95 watts. Regards Andrew Harrison ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:27:58 +0000 From: baldrick Subject: Re: Power-on Sef-Test Code Message-ID: <45f949da$0$8733$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net> Dr. Otto Titze wrote: > VAX4300/4500. The VAX4500 crashed today and at power-on it remains in > step code "B". Unfortunately my successor doesn't find the proper > manuals and I have no documentation here at home anymore. > > Can someone explain what "B" means or where I can fin the description of > the self-test codes. This is details in the KAnnn CPU maintenance guide, never appeared in the VAX operational or other documentation sadly. B - O bit memory, interval timer and virtual mode tests At a guess something fundamental is wrong with your main CPU board or possibly console. The crash was most likely initiated by that fault and if they still have the log of the crash from the console that may help in the detailed diagnosis. http://deathrow.vistech.net/~cvisors/DEC94MDS/ has an index and look for the KA655 CPU System Maintenance for a full list of codes and explanations. There are other possibilities, I've seen power supply LEDs "lie" about the PSU condition, and replacing that can fix power on faults. Nic -- aka. Mr. C. P. Charges, nclews "at" csc dot c o m ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2007 02:05:00 -0700 From: "da9000" <4donis@gmail.com> Subject: SCSI Terminal Server by Central Data - ST-1016 Message-ID: <1173949500.588173.122630@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> Take a look at the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290094448028 Thanks for looking! ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2007 10:05:44 -0700 From: "Keith Cayemberg" Subject: Re: Shopping cart that works on VMS Message-ID: <1173978343.954163.249950@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Mar 13, 3:14 pm, Chuck Aaron wrote: > If anyone is running web applications on VMS and using > a shopping cart, can you tell me what shopping cart you > are using or might recommend? > > Thanks. Please see... http://www.oscommerce.com/ http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware80/OSCOMMERCE/ http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_9482.html Cheers! 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