INFO-VAX Thu, 08 Mar 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 133 Contents: Re: Backup VAX7.3 and ODS5 disks Re: DNS- What I'm NOT doing wrong Re: DNS- What I'm NOT doing wrong Re: DNS- What I'm NOT doing wrong Re: DNS- What I'm NOT doing wrong Re: DVD on zx2000 Re: DVD on zx2000 Re: DVD on zx2000 Free PC164 System Re: Free PC164 System Re: History of VMS and related operating systems Re: I need an MSA1000 FibreChannel IO Board (daugthercard) Re: NTP newbie questions Re: NTP newbie questions Re: OT: Ownership of Ethernet Re: OT: Proposed additions to the PDP11 instruction set Re: OT: Proposed additions to the PDP11 instruction set Re: OT: Proposed additions to the PDP11 instruction set Re: OT: Proposed additions to the PDP11 instruction set Re: OT: Proposed additions to the PDP11 instruction set Re: OT: Proposed additions to the PDP11 instruction set Re: Remove All print jobs from a Print Queue Re: Remove All print jobs from a Print Queue Re: SAMBA on OpenVMS with OS X client Re: SYSMAN IO SET EXCLUDE question Re: SYSMAN IO SET EXCLUDE question Re: SYSMAN IO SET EXCLUDE question Re: TCPIP, non-existent users, and backscatter-spam Re: Time zone/DST change question. Re: Time zone/DST change question. Re: Time zone/DST change question. Re: Time zone/DST change question. Re: Time zone/DST change question. Re: VMS and storage subsystems documentation ? Re: Weird default directory behaviour Weird default directory behaviour Re: Weird default directory behaviour Re: Weird default directory behaviour Re: Wierd MySQL 4.1.14 error on VMS Re: Wierd MySQL 4.1.14 error on VMS Re: Wierd MySQL 4.1.14 error on VMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 22:29:00 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Backup VAX7.3 and ODS5 disks Message-ID: David J Dachtera wrote: > It has been stated here and in other fora that OpenVMS-VAX does not support > ODS-5. VAX VMS 7.3 is able to mount ODS5 volumes and can access them transparently within the limits of ODS2. The directory I wanted to access contained only ODS2 compatible filenames. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2007 13:18:05 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: DNS- What I'm NOT doing wrong Message-ID: In article <45ECE2B5.6609A56F@spam.comcast.net>, David J Dachtera writes: > Marcin 'Rambo' Roguski wrote: >> I wonder, is there an implementation of VNC for VMS? > > O.k. I'll bite: What is VNC? > There is a VNC client for VMS, but not a server. The client might not run on VAXen, I ran it on an Alpha (the server is a port from UNIX which probably assumes the MIT X11 server, Alpha uses that but VAXen don't). VNC is not a "UNIX" term. VNC runs on UNIX, Windows, VMS, ... It's a toll which allows a grphics server to be accessed remotely from a second graphics server. For example, we brought up some Sun CDE based GUIs on our Windows systems by using the VNS server on the Sun and seting it to allow the VNC clients on the PCs. The mouse and keyboard inputs entered into the VNC client window become mouse and keyboard inputs on the server's display and the windows written to the server's display show up inside the client's VNS window. I was able to operate the Sun from my VXT2000+ via my Alpha with X11 ports blocked but the VNC port open. This capability is somewhat unecessary with X11 tunneling via ssh for many applications, but we were able to share access to an application which could only exist once on the Sun. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2007 13:43:05 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: DNS- What I'm NOT doing wrong Message-ID: In article <20070306175701.8c9af71d.m_roguski@yahoo.com>, Marcin 'Rambo' Roguski writes: > > Happy news, AS is now in its third day of uptime, > pretty good result for machine that was supposed > to be dead :) Have you put it on a network and given it a node name yet? Lazurus perhaps? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 15:07:03 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: DNS- What I'm NOT doing wrong Message-ID: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote on 03/07/2007 02:43:05 PM: > In article <20070306175701.8c9af71d.m_roguski@yahoo.com>, Marcin > 'Rambo' Roguski writes: > > > > Happy news, AS is now in its third day of uptime, > > pretty good result for machine that was supposed > > to be dead :) > > Have you put it on a network and given it a node name yet? > Lazurus perhaps? > .. or Dracula? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 04:36:55 GMT From: Tad Winters Subject: Re: DNS- What I'm NOT doing wrong Message-ID: David J Dachtera wrote in news:45EF7FD9.EE6E61B3@spam.comcast.net: > Paul Sture wrote: >> >> In article <45ECE2B5.6609A56F@spam.comcast.net>, >> David J Dachtera wrote: >> >> > O.k. I'll bite: What is VNC? >> > >> >> "Virtual Network Computing" from the University of Cambridge. You can >> control one system from another. > > Is that anything like Telnet? ...SET HOST (CTERM)? > >> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/research/dtg/attarchive/vnc/index.html > > Ah. Looks like a Terminal Services Client for non-M$ environments. > Actually, VNC gives you the actual console, not just *a* GUI. I used it from my Windows 2000 workstation at home to my Windows 2000 workstation at work for a few years before I had Windows XP at work (which has the remote desktop as a feature.) VNC comes in a number of variants. Some years ago, I used one of those variants called xVNC. I've searched for it since then, but was unable to find it. It worked well for Windows domain administrators. I did consulting work for a small company with a MicroVAX running VMS and they had 6 to 8 Windows 2000 workstations and 1 Windows 2000 server (as domain controller.) I installed xVNC on the domain controller. At night, I would connect to the domain controller (from home) with the remote desktop client. Then, I would start xVNC and it would populate a list with all the computers in the domain (that were reachable.) I could then select a workstation and connect. xVNC would perform an install of VNC on the workstation, setting a known password, and then fire up the viewer with a connection to the workstation. Now, it wouldn't log me in, but that was fine because that would allow me any error messages they might have left. Otherwise, I would just perform routine things like disk defragmentation, spyware scanning, and correcting problems that antivirus scanning choked on. As soon as I diskconnected, xVNC would uninstall VNC from the workstation. It was clean and was unnoticed by the users. VNC may not have much use in a strickly Windows environment, but with any environments that include other operating systems, it can make console work much easier. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2007 12:54:12 -0800 From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: DVD on zx2000 Message-ID: <1173300852.740728.207170@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com> On Mar 7, 8:13 am, "Tom Linden" wrote: > Have following, > HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Industry Standard 64 Version V5.6 > on an HP zx2000 (900MHz/1.5MB) running OpenVMS V8.3 > > Disk $5$DQA0: (ITANIC), device type HL-DT-STDVD-ROM GDR8160B, > > Does anyone know if Plextor 716A or 740A will work in place of above? I just put one in my ZX2000. I added a boot option for the drive but when I try to boot (anything) from it all I get is: Load of CD/DVD failed: Not Found Pause - press any key to continue Still looking into things. The DVD drive is readable when Windows Server 2003 boots on the system. I'm still new at this EFI thing so I figure I've done something wrong there. John H. Reinhardt ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2007 14:53:58 -0800 From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: DVD on zx2000 Message-ID: <1173308037.969375.104170@c51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On Mar 7, 3:54 pm, "johnhreinha...@yahoo.com" wrote: > On Mar 7, 8:13 am, "Tom Linden" wrote: > > > Have following, > > HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Industry Standard 64 Version V5.6 > > on an HP zx2000 (900MHz/1.5MB) running OpenVMS V8.3 > > > Disk $5$DQA0: (ITANIC), device type HL-DT-STDVD-ROM GDR8160B, > > > Does anyone know if Plextor 716A or 740A will work in place of above? > > I just put one in my ZX2000. I added a boot option for the drive but > when I try to boot (anything) from it all I get is: > Load of CD/DVD failed: Not Found > Pause - press any key to continue > > Still looking into things. The DVD drive is readable when Windows > Server 2003 boots on the system. I'm still new at this EFI thing so I > figure I've done something wrong there. > > John H. Reinhardt A Windows Server 2003 CD is bootable on both the CD drive that came with the ZX2000 and the PX-716a, but my OpenVMS 8.3 DVD is not. I made the DVD from instructions here and other places so it looks like I may have a problem there. I'll have to try again. I don't have access to any "factory built" IA64 OpenVMS media. John H. Reinhardt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:05:43 GMT From: "FredK" Subject: Re: DVD on zx2000 Message-ID: Ayup. You need to build the CD in a very specific way with a very specific joliet extension, with a some very specific files in specific places. You aren't going to (generally speaking) do it with the normal tools. Now, for the most part you should be able to pretty much backup a V8.3 IPF system disk to a CD and boot it on most platforms - because while the hybrid ISO/VMS disk we ship is how it is supposed to work - on the zx2000 a system with a legacy MBR and a EFI partition should boot (at least it used to). You probably need to back it up to a LD container, do a SETBOOT and then burn the CD from it. wrote in message news:1173308037.969375.104170@c51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 7, 3:54 pm, "johnhreinha...@yahoo.com" > wrote: >> On Mar 7, 8:13 am, "Tom Linden" wrote: >> >> > Have following, >> > HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Industry Standard 64 Version V5.6 >> > on an HP zx2000 (900MHz/1.5MB) running OpenVMS V8.3 >> >> > Disk $5$DQA0: (ITANIC), device type HL-DT-STDVD-ROM GDR8160B, >> >> > Does anyone know if Plextor 716A or 740A will work in place of above? >> >> I just put one in my ZX2000. I added a boot option for the drive but >> when I try to boot (anything) from it all I get is: >> Load of CD/DVD failed: Not Found >> Pause - press any key to continue >> >> Still looking into things. The DVD drive is readable when Windows >> Server 2003 boots on the system. I'm still new at this EFI thing so I >> figure I've done something wrong there. >> >> John H. Reinhardt > > A Windows Server 2003 CD is bootable on both the CD drive that came > with the ZX2000 and the PX-716a, but my OpenVMS 8.3 DVD is not. I > made the DVD from instructions here and other places so it looks like > I may have a problem there. I'll have to try again. I don't have > access to any "factory built" IA64 OpenVMS media. > > John H. Reinhardt > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:24:30 -0500 From: "Island Computers, D B Turner" Subject: Free PC164 System Message-ID: <12uu4aj3peovq5e@news.supernews.com> Send email with Free PC164 in header Some memory and disk included Only one - courtesy of Roland Hughes !!!!!!!!!!!!!! You pay shipping -- Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St Savannah GA 31404 Tel: 912 447 6622 x201 Mail: dturner-atnospam-islandco-com (You know what to do with the dashes) ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2007 13:05:58 -0800 From: yyyc186@hughes.net Subject: Re: Free PC164 System Message-ID: <1173301558.784839.78770@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On Mar 7, 1:24 pm, "Island Computers, D B Turner" wrote: > Send email with Free PC164 in header > Some memory and disk included > > Only one - courtesy of Roland Hughes !!!!!!!!!!!!!! > If anyone is interested, This is the same machine used to write "The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer", sans a couple of disks. It has a full 512 of RAM, CD-ROM, and 16 Gig drive, and yes, it used to run OpenVMS. Roland ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2007 13:27:18 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: History of VMS and related operating systems Message-ID: <254D$P8ispBJ@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <1173191118.727900.88370@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>, "UnderMine" writes: > > What exactly is the genealagy of VAXELN? > My understanding was that it originally branched from VMS and then > developed independantly. > VMS -> VAXELN (influence/code?) > VMS -> Project Mica (1986-1988) (influence/code?) > Mica -> NT (influence/code?) - http://www.businessreviewonline.com/blog/archives/2005/10/ballmer_microso.html MicroPower PASCAL (which ran on MicroPDP-11 and MicroVAX) begat VAXEln, according to those who talked at DECUS. The name change was in part due to the availability of languages other than PASCAL. VAXEln used only two modes and VAX chips were produced for embedded applications that supported only those two modes (and therefor couldn't run VMS). There was a printer vendor who worked very closely with DEC for a while, and used VAXEln to support both their print engine and thier LCD menu. If you looked quick,youl'd see the VAXEln version number on the LCD durin power on boot. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:37:02 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: I need an MSA1000 FibreChannel IO Board (daugthercard) Message-ID: <45EF84DE.C54DD179@spam.comcast.net> Malcolm Dunnett wrote: > > I have an MSA1000 controller module which won't talk to the > fibrechannel port in the box. I've determined the problem is > within in the controller module by swapping the controllers > (its a dual controller system) and FC IO modules around and > observing the problem move with the controller. > > Opening up the controller I notice a daughtercard which is > labelled 010677-001 and has "Fibre Channel_IO" etched into > the PCB. I would hazard a guess this is the failed part and > that the rest of the controller is fine. The card is just a > plug-in module so it's easily field replaceable ( no > different than swapping a cache module in the controller ). > > I've searched the HP Parts website but can't find this part > number listed. Does anyone know if it's possible to buy just > this daughtercard rather than an entire new MSA1000 ( it's out > of warranty and not on maintenance ). > > Anyone got a dead MSA1000 they'd be willing to sell me the > daughtercard out of cheap? Does it use replaceable GBICs? Any chance one's gone bad? -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 22:20:02 GMT From: Rick Jones Subject: Re: NTP newbie questions Message-ID: When you pick the three or more external servers, make sure you follow established protocol/conventions/ettiquette. I suspect links from http://ntp.isc.org/ will help with that. Just as your one system should have three or more time sources configured, you should probably have three or more internal sources of time at which you point the rest of your systems. That is, point three systems at the external servers so you have three internal servers synced to external time, and then sync the rest of your systems to those rather than just one. rick jones -- oxymoron n, Hummer H2 with California Save Our Coasts and Oceans plates these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :) feel free to post, OR email to rick.jones2 in hp.com but NOT BOTH... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 16:46:04 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: NTP newbie questions Message-ID: Rick Jones wrote: > When you pick the three or more external servers, make sure you follow > established protocol/conventions/ettiquette. I suspect links from > http://ntp.isc.org/ will help with that. yeah, I found 4 sources from 2 different locations in Canada. Only enabled 3. Seems to work, I have one node up and running as a server on my lan now. Will deploy at least another, I guess. What is the parameter in the .CONF file to change the interval a which I poll an external server? Right now, it seems to be doing this every hour. I would think once a day would be more than enough. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2007 13:50:38 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OT: Ownership of Ethernet Message-ID: In article <3f1bb$45edc873$cef8887a$11937@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: > It is my understanding that Ethernet was developped jointly by Digital, > Intel and Xerox. I think others were involved also. > Recently, I got a new ADSL modem and in it, it had a mention that Ethernet > was a trademark of Xerox corporation. > > If it were truly a "trademarked" product, shouldn't the caption mention > Intel and HP as well as Xerox ? Perhaps as part of development only Xerox tradmarked it. > (This was a Thompson Speedtouch modem). > > It was my understanding that Ethernet set out, right from the start, to be > an open standard without any royalties. Was that the case ? What is that standard? Can anybody build anything and claim it's Ethernet? Putting a trademark on it allows the developing group to prevent misuse of he name. It's like Sun's tradmark on Java. Anyone can write a Java compiler, JRE, and/or JIT. Most folks just start with Sun's code. But only Sun can say what Java is. So Microsoft got hauled to court when they made something else and called it Java. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 13:52:54 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: OT: Proposed additions to the PDP11 instruction set Message-ID: <24ff1$45ef0a1e$cef8887a$18322@TEKSAVVY.COM> davidc@montagar.com wrote: > One instruction that has been removed from hardware due to office > politics is the TSM (Trap Secretary and Mount) instruction. LOL ! Good one. I had not heard that one before. Could we ask FredK to implement this one in PALcode for hobbyist alphas ? ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2007 11:29:25 -0800 From: davidc@montagar.com Subject: Re: OT: Proposed additions to the PDP11 instruction set Message-ID: <1173295765.121929.108690@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> On Mar 7, 8:10 am, leder...@encompasserve.org (B. Z. Lederman) wrote: > Someone mentioned the "Rewind Printer" instruction. There were two things about some of the old band printers depending upon the carriage control tape loaded into them. You could actually backspace the printer 1 line, I think by including a "-" in the first column (carriage control) field rather than the typical space. Every now and again, someone would do that. Other fun things is the long loop of "1"'s, causing page ejects. One some of the really fast printers, you could almost shoot a fountain of greenbar up the ceiling. The last one I remember was repeatitively writing underscores across the page, which would eventually cut it in two, then do a bunch of page ejects. Since the paper wouldn't track right, it would all bunch up into a nice jam inside the printer. The other thing people would do (myself included) is print some of the "ASCII art" pictures (moon, spock, golden gate, kitten, etc). The Ops would hate it, everyone else would want you to print a copy for them. Those were the days... Some things just don't translate to a laser printer... ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2007 13:38:17 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OT: Proposed additions to the PDP11 instruction set Message-ID: In article , sol gongola writes: > > I remember some of these, and others from my old IBM OS/360 days. On our Sigma-7 (Xerox) we had a list of suggested additions to the IBM 360 instruction set that came out after IBM announced they were working on the 370 architecture (this paper had been there some time before I saw it). They included: XR - execute register XOP - execute operand XOPR - execute operator XOPRI - execute operator immediately RC - register clear RV - register to vote RN - register(ed) nurse BT - backspace tape BST - backspace and strech tape RT - rewind tape RST - rewind and strech tape NOPS - No-op short (do nothing, but hurry up about it) NOPL - No-op long (you get the idea) HALTF - Halt and set fire ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 16:14:14 -0500 From: "Richard B. gilbert" Subject: Re: OT: Proposed additions to the PDP11 instruction set Message-ID: <45EF2B26.1000805@comcast.net> JF Mezei wrote: > davidc@montagar.com wrote: > >> The other thing people would do (myself included) is print some of the >> "ASCII art" pictures (moon, spock, golden gate, kitten, etc). The Ops >> would hate it, everyone else would want you to print a copy for them. > > > There was one of the enterprise as well. > Sam Harbison (Princeton) was one of the pioneers at this. He borrowed an optical densitometer and measured the density of various overstrike combinations. He then wrote a program to scan and convert photographs and print them on the 1403N1 printer. I seem to recall that he got one of his creations on the cover of "Time". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:36:34 GMT From: Tad Winters Subject: Re: OT: Proposed additions to the PDP11 instruction set Message-ID: JF Mezei wrote in news:11c00$45ef2770$cef8887a$24825@TEKSAVVY.COM: > davidc@montagar.com wrote: >> The other thing people would do (myself included) is print some of >> the "ASCII art" pictures (moon, spock, golden gate, kitten, etc). >> The Ops would hate it, everyone else would want you to print a copy >> for them. > > There was one of the enterprise as well. > > And those things really slowed the printers down. I think it was > something to do with the band printers being designed to print letters > much faster than rarely used special characters. > > I worked with 1403 printers surrounded by 10/15 students waiting for > their listing. Once, students shouted "the're smoke coming out of the > printer", and indeed there was. Overheating caused some grease to > start generating smoke (no fire yet :-) > > One class (AI) had an assignment where students had to write a program > to generate a picture based on different characters being darker than > others. For that assignment, that poor 1403 printer was printing very > slowly with students waiting much longer for their listings. > > I remember having too much free time at a government job. We had a number of LG02 (line matrix) printers. The printer supported vector drawing and someone had figured out how to make large characters with it so that they could print names for the triangular wood blocks that were made for name plates. With all that time, I looked over the file the person was creating (by hand) for each person and I wrote a command procedure to prompt for a person's name and title and then generated the file and printed it. (I always printed to the same printer, even though we had at least 3 of them.) After 2 separate incidents of having DEC come out to replace a number of the print heads, I realized we needed to avoid repeated use of that routine. I haven't seen one of those printers since I left that job. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:30:55 GMT From: Rob Brown Subject: Re: OT: Proposed additions to the PDP11 instruction set Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 davidc@montagar.com wrote: > On Mar 7, 8:10 am, leder...@encompasserve.org (B. Z. Lederman) wrote: > > Other fun things is the long loop of "1"'s, causing page ejects. > One some of the really fast printers, you could almost shoot a > fountain of greenbar up the ceiling. On the IBM 1403 (I think) and earlier printers, the carriage control tape (for some reason) never had channel C punched. So if you requested skip to channel C on the printer, it would feed paper continuously looking for the appropriate hole in the tape. The printer had a stop button which stop at the end of current operation, which of course never completed in this case. The 1403 also had a "carriage stop" or some such button, which generated a forms check and stopped things immediately. Before the "carriage stop" button, you had to create your own forms check by tearing the paper. The story at my school was that somebody had a program that sent "Quick, put your foot in the box" to the system operator, and then skipped to channel C on the printer. The operator had to rush across the computer room and step in the box of paper feeding the printer, tearing the paper and causing a forms check, thereby stopping the cascading paper. They could see how quick the operator was by how much paper they got back. The more innocent way of causing the problem was by copying a FORTRAN program from the card reader to the printer. The first character on the line was the form control character. If there were any comments in the program, .... -- Rob Brown b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m G. Michaels Consulting Ltd. (780)438-9343 (voice) Edmonton (780)437-3367 (FAX) http://gmcl.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 03:59:15 GMT From: Tad Winters Subject: Re: Remove All print jobs from a Print Queue Message-ID: "Malcolm Dunnett" wrote in news:45ef6332$1 @flight: > wrote in message > news:1173278900.794168.276010@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... >> Hi All >> >> VMS 7.3.2 >> >> What is a quick command to remove/delete all pending print jobs from a >> VMS print queue? >> > > $INIT/QUE JUNK > $ASSIGN/MERGE JUNK > $DELETE/QUE JUNK > > > Or if this will be more than a 1 off and if your willing to take some time to create a command procedure, it could be made to take the queue name and optionally the status of the jobs and remove them one by one. As an example, I could see dumping all jobs that were pending because of stock mismatch. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:09:32 +0100 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: Remove All print jobs from a Print Queue Message-ID: <45ef1bfc.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de> brucebrown100@yahoo.com wrote: > VMS 7.3.2 > > What is a quick command to remove/delete all pending print jobs from a > VMS print queue? There is no single command to do do it. The easiest way I have seen is: - Create a dummy queue : $ INIT/QUEUE dummy - Requeue the print jobs: $ ASSIGN/MERGE dummy your_queue - Delete the dummy queue: $ DELETE/QUEUE dummy cu, Martin -- OpenVMS: | Martin Vorlaender | OpenVMS rules! The operating system | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de God runs the | http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ earth simulation on. | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:48:30 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: SAMBA on OpenVMS with OS X client Message-ID: <00A64460.E613A567@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , Paul Sture writes: > > >In article <00A64411.E11860C9@SendSpamHere.ORG>, > VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >> I am completely perplex as to why I can use the TextEdit on an ODS-2 >> share and not on the ODS-5 share. > >I've reproduced the problem, and I am willing to bet that the >ODS-2/ODS-5 thing is just a red herring. > >Consider the following: > >My Samba share is directory [STUREP], and STUREP is the account I set up >for Samba (only NETMBX,TMPMBX privileges, and unique UIC Group number) > >However, I had a subdirectory in there "zk.dir" with wo:r access, >belonging to another user. I couldn't see any of the files in it from >either Finder or the CLI, as they had no world access. > >Navigate there from the OS X CLI and I could create test.txt. > >Open that in TextEdit, change then try to save, and we get > >Couldn¹t save document as ³test.txt² in folder ³zk². > >Give zk.dir World:RW on the VMS side, and TextEdit can then save the >file. > >Better still, remove world:write, and change the owner of zk.dir to >[STUREP]. > >I think that should get you going. If not, please let me know. No, It's not an owner or protection thing. Here is the ODS-2 drive, directories and files in question: I have a logical for user's default directory. It is SYS$USER: and it's define as: $ SHOW LOGICAL SYS$USER "SYS$USER" = "DKA0:[USER.]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) $ DIRECTORY/SECURITY DKA0:[000000]USER.DIR Directory DKA0:[000000] USER.DIR;1 [DEFAULT] (RWE,RWE,RE,E) $ DIRECTORY/SECURITY SYS$USER:[000000] Directory SYS$USER:[000000] .DS_STORE;1 [DEFAULT] (RWD,RWD,R,) HCAULFIELD.DIR;1 [EXTERNAL,JOHNOAKHURST] (RWE,RWE,RE,E) KRISTOFFER.DIR;1 [FAMILY,KRIS] (RWE,RWE,RE,E) JOHNOAKHURST.DIR;1 [EXTERNAL,JOHNOAKHURST] (RWE,RWE,RE,E) MARTHA.DIR;1 [FAMILY,MARTHA] (RWE,RWE,RE,E) SILASGREEP.DIR;1 [EXTERNAL,SILASGREEP] (RWE,RWE,RE,E) SQUYRM.DIR;1 [FAMILY,SQUYRM] (RWE,RWE,RE,E) STEFFEN.DIR;1 [FAMILY,STEFFEN] (RWE,RWE,RE,E) (some names have been change to protect certain financial interests) $ DIRECTORY/SECURITY SYS$USER:[SQUYRM]TEST.TXT Directory SYS$USER:[SQUYRM] TEST.TXT;1 [FAMILY,SQUYRM] (RWD,RWD,R,RWD) And here is the ODS-5 drive, directories and files in question: $ DIRECTORY/SECURITY DSA5:[000000]GigsOfPixOfGigs.dir Directory DSA5:[000000] GigsOfPixOfGigs.DIR;1 [DEFAULT] (RWE,RWE,RE,RE) $ DIRECTORY/SECURITY DSA5:[GigsOfPixOfGigs] Directory DSA5:[GigsOfPixOfGigs] INDEX.HTML;2 [SYSMGTGRP,SYSTEM] (RWED,RWED,RE,) Martha.DIR;1 [FAMILY,MARTHA] (RWE,RWE,RE,RE) Nadina.DIR;1 [EXTERNAL,NADINA] (RWE,RWE,RE,RE) Squyrm.DIR;1 [FAMILY,SQUYRM] (RWE,RWE,RE,RE) Test.DIR;1 [SYSMGTGRP,SYSTEM] (RWE,RWE,RE,RE) Thor.DIR;1 [EXTERNAL,THOR] (RWE,RWE,RE,RE) Vonorn.dir;1 [SYSMGTGRP,SYSTEM] (RWE,RWE,RE,E) $ DIRECTORY/SECURITY DSA5:[GigsOfPixOfGigs.Squyrm]test.txt Directory DSA5:[GigsOfPixOfGigs.Squyrm] test.txt;1 [FAMILY,SQUYRM] (RWD,RWD,RWD,RWD) Looks, from a protection/access point of view like both are more or less identical. In fact, the ODS-5 protection masks are even less strict. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2007 20:00:34 +0100 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: SYSMAN IO SET EXCLUDE question Message-ID: <45ef19e2$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article <130e5$45eee4ac$cef8887a$27376@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: >Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER wrote: >> But obviously doesn't work (at least with IDE). >> Have you contacted HP? > >It has worked fine for me until I rebooted one of my 2 alphas with the patch. Ok. Then it must have been an ECO longer ago in my case... I tested this on a V7.3-2 XP1000 with UPDATE V9 (UPDATE V10 is current now) -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:35:28 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: SYSMAN IO SET EXCLUDE question Message-ID: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) wrote on 03/07/2007 02:00:34 PM: > In article <130e5$45eee4ac$cef8887a$27376@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei > writes: > >Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER wrote: > >> But obviously doesn't work (at least with IDE). > >> Have you contacted HP? > > > >It has worked fine for me until I rebooted one of my 2 alphas with the patch. > > Ok. Then it must have been an ECO longer ago in my case... > I tested this on a V7.3-2 XP1000 with UPDATE V9 > (UPDATE V10 is current now) Except that UPDATE V10 has been removed early 3/07 a.m. (maybe just to put its release notes back into it :-( ). > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER > Network and OpenVMS system specialist > E-mail peter@langstoeger.at > A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2007 12:59:55 -0800 From: "Ian Miller" Subject: Re: SYSMAN IO SET EXCLUDE question Message-ID: <1173301195.736854.194870@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com> VMS 7.3-2 UPDATE V10 is on hold ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:36:11 +0100 From: Jur van der Burg <"vdburg at hotmail dot com"> Subject: Re: TCPIP, non-existent users, and backscatter-spam Message-ID: <45ef2245$0$333$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> In all the talk about spam I rarely see one technique mentioned that has done wonders for me: greylisting (see www.greylisting.org). Quote (from that webpage): In name, as well as operation, greylisting is related to whitelisting and blacklisting. What happen is that each time a given mailbox receives an email from an unknown contact (ip), that mail is rejected with a "try again later"-message (This happens at the SMTP layer and is transparent to the end user). This, in the short run, means that all mail gets delayed at least until the sender tries again - but this is where spam loses out! Most spam is not sent out using RFC compliant MTAs; the spamming software will not try again later. I implemented this on my FreeBSD based mailserver, and since I implemented this (end of Jan) the daily spams dropped from around 10-20 a day to.... ZERO. And yes, I still get the regular mail. Maybe one of the implementations can be ported to VMS. Fwiw, Jur. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2007 18:53:06 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Time zone/DST change question. Message-ID: <558g0hF242mvjU2@mid.individual.net> In article <45eef71f$0$16321$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>, "Neil Rieck" writes: > "Jerry Alan Braga" wrote in message > news:fzBHh.24385$lY6.22076@edtnps90... >> what timezone should be used for the southwestern Ontario Region >> >> America/Toronto or Canada/Eastern >> > [...snip...] > > Ontario should use Canada/Eastern but I think this is the same as > US/Eastern. > > p.s. because of some UNIX application problems (the old DST rules are baked > into the apps) I will need to change to GMT-4 on March 11. > Well, it took me less that 5 minutes to verify which of my BSD machines needed fixing and actually do it. Of course, I suspect the Ultrix-11 and Ultrix-32 machines are going to have a problem this weekend. :-) bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 15:17:29 -0500 From: "Neil Rieck" Subject: Re: Time zone/DST change question. Message-ID: <45ef1148$0$30102$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "Bill Gunshannon" wrote in message news:558g0hF242mvjU2@mid.individual.net... > In article <45eef71f$0$16321$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>, [...snip...] > > Well, it took me less that 5 minutes to verify which of my BSD machines > needed fixing and actually do it. Of course, I suspect the Ultrix-11 > and Ultrix-32 machines are going to have a problem this weekend. :-) > > bill > I know of at least three Tru64 machines in Canada that are going to have problems. It's not like somebody couldn't figure out a work-around but support for these machines has been out-sourced to a contractor. I suspect the contractor is going to wait for somebody to phone in for $upport on $unday or Monday Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 20:35:56 -0500 From: bradhamilton Subject: Re: Time zone/DST change question. Message-ID: <45EF687C.9000006@comcast.net> Neil Rieck wrote: [...] Well, let me add to the confusion... :-) I installed the patch, and read the release notes, which _seem_ to state that I needed to change my TDF from -5:00 to +5:00. I used UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM to effect the change, and lo and behold, my current system time reads: RABBIT::SYSTEM$ show time 7-MAR-2007 10:30:15 instead of the "expected" 20:30:15. Have I mis-read the release notes (as was hinted earlier in this thread)? I've already applied the relevant (for me) DRIVERS and NTP patches in TCPWARE, and rebooted after the patch application. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:07:16 -0500 From: bradhamilton Subject: Re: Time zone/DST change question. Message-ID: <45EF6FD4.4070002@comcast.net> bradhamilton wrote: "Bad form", but here goes: After re-reading the release notes for the Nth time, I finally realized that "GMT-" and GMTPLUS" referred to menu options in UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM that I have never used; therefore the notes were not relevant to my situation. Whoever decided to change a standard to mean the exact opposite of its previous meaning should be forced to split rocks for the remainder of their natural lives. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:08:35 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Time zone/DST change question. Message-ID: <467a0$45ef9a6b$cef8887a$5803@TEKSAVVY.COM> Checked the VAX VMS 7.3 patches, and there is nothing there about the time zone changes. Should there be any patch ? If not, is it possible to copy the timezone sources over to the vax system disk and compile them there ? Any documentation on what would be needed ? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:23:13 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: VMS and storage subsystems documentation ? Message-ID: <45EF81A1.3812C959@spam.comcast.net> JF Mezei wrote: > > David J Dachtera wrote: > >> Does this mean that a utility such as RZDISK could be used against a drive > >> on VMS > > > > Why would you want to? What "problem" are you trying to solve? > > Just trying to understand to what extent the storage array fakes a scsi drive to > VMS. It doesn't "fake" anything. A LUN is presented which complies with applicable standards such that VMS(, UN*X, Linux, WhineBloze, ...) can INITIALIZE it, MOUNT it, read it, write it, ... > > Again, remember: what's "behind" the LUN is now a virtual concept > > But to VMS, it looks like, smells like and behaves like a real drive, doesn't it ? Within limits. > > Probably the closest example of virtual storage to you would be connecting a > > container file to an LD device. > > But the LD driver isn't a SCSI class driver and devices. Didn't say it was. Just using an analogy. > My old Dilog SCSI-QBUS card on VAX makes a scsi disk appear as an RA drive on > VMS. It makes it smell, feel, act as an RA82 drive, but reports larger size. > And the card provided an MSCP interface to VMS so VMS didn't need any special > drivers to access SCSI drives. However, because it appeared as a RA82 drive, I > could not use any "SCSI" applications such as RZDISK or the CDaudio player. Incompatibility cannot be masked through emulation. I'd be doubtful of an MSCP-served DVD writer working as expected, also. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2007 13:47:56 -0800 From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: Weird default directory behaviour Message-ID: <1173304075.828510.173170@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On Mar 7, 4:36 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > Alpha VMS 8.3: (also behaves the same on VAX VMS 7.3) > > $ show def > TCPIP$TFTP_ROOT:[SWITCH1] > > $ cd sys$tzdir: > > $ show def > SYS$TZDIR:[SWITCH1] > = SYS$COMMON:[SYS$ZONEINFO.USER] > = SYS$COMMON:[SYS$ZONEINFO.SYSTEM] > > $ show log sys$tzdir/full > "SYS$TZDIR" [exec] = "SYS$SYSROOT:[SYS$ZONEINFO.USER]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) > = "SYS$SYSROOT:[SYS$ZONEINFO.SYSTEM]" > > $ cd sys$manager > $ show def > SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR] > = SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR] > = SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR] > $ > > Can anyone explain why the original directory "SWITCH1" remains after I have > changed to SYS$TZDIR ? Shouldn't behave just like SYS$MANAGER ? > > consider the following: > > $ cd sys$tzdir: > $ show def > SYS$TZDIR:[SYSMGR] > = SYS$COMMON:[SYS$ZONEINFO.USER] > = SYS$COMMON:[SYS$ZONEINFO.SYSTEM] > > $ dir *.dir > > Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYS$ZONEINFO.USER] > SOURCES.DIR;1 > Total of 1 file. > > Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYS$ZONEINFO.SYSTEM] > AFRICA.DIR;1 AMERICA.DIR;1 ANTARCTICA.DIR;1 ARCTIC.DIR;1 > ASIA.DIR;1 ATLANTIC.DIR;1 AUSTRALIA.DIR;1 BRAZIL.DIR;1 > CANADA.DIR;1 CHILE.DIR;1 ETC.DIR;1 EUROPE.DIR;1 > INDIAN.DIR;1 MEXICO.DIR;1 MIDEAST.DIR;1 PACIFIC.DIR;1 > SOURCES.DIR;1 US.DIR;1 > Total of 18 files. > > $ dir [.antarctica] > %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR.ANTARCTICA]*.*;* as input > -RMS-E-DNF, directory not found > -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file > > Looks to me like a big bug. A DIRECTORY command works as expected and ignores > the [SYSMGR] that remains from the previous default directory, but trying to set > def to a subdirectory fails because it then uses the [SYSMGR] and discards the > real current location. We won't be able to tell you what's wrong until you tell us what that "cd" command does. It don't look VMSish to me... ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 16:36:37 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Weird default directory behaviour Message-ID: <87603$45ef307d$cef8887a$30731@TEKSAVVY.COM> Alpha VMS 8.3: (also behaves the same on VAX VMS 7.3) $ show def TCPIP$TFTP_ROOT:[SWITCH1] $ cd sys$tzdir: $ show def SYS$TZDIR:[SWITCH1] = SYS$COMMON:[SYS$ZONEINFO.USER] = SYS$COMMON:[SYS$ZONEINFO.SYSTEM] $ show log sys$tzdir/full "SYS$TZDIR" [exec] = "SYS$SYSROOT:[SYS$ZONEINFO.USER]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) = "SYS$SYSROOT:[SYS$ZONEINFO.SYSTEM]" $ cd sys$manager $ show def SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR] = SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR] = SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR] $ Can anyone explain why the original directory "SWITCH1" remains after I have changed to SYS$TZDIR ? Shouldn't behave just like SYS$MANAGER ? consider the following: $ cd sys$tzdir: $ show def SYS$TZDIR:[SYSMGR] = SYS$COMMON:[SYS$ZONEINFO.USER] = SYS$COMMON:[SYS$ZONEINFO.SYSTEM] $ dir *.dir Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYS$ZONEINFO.USER] SOURCES.DIR;1 Total of 1 file. Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYS$ZONEINFO.SYSTEM] AFRICA.DIR;1 AMERICA.DIR;1 ANTARCTICA.DIR;1 ARCTIC.DIR;1 ASIA.DIR;1 ATLANTIC.DIR;1 AUSTRALIA.DIR;1 BRAZIL.DIR;1 CANADA.DIR;1 CHILE.DIR;1 ETC.DIR;1 EUROPE.DIR;1 INDIAN.DIR;1 MEXICO.DIR;1 MIDEAST.DIR;1 PACIFIC.DIR;1 SOURCES.DIR;1 US.DIR;1 Total of 18 files. $ dir [.antarctica] %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR.ANTARCTICA]*.*;* as input -RMS-E-DNF, directory not found -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file Looks to me like a big bug. A DIRECTORY command works as expected and ignores the [SYSMGR] that remains from the previous default directory, but trying to set def to a subdirectory fails because it then uses the [SYSMGR] and discards the real current location. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 22:28:59 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Weird default directory behaviour Message-ID: One thing... sys$tzdir is search list, not ? sys$manager is not... (sys$sysroot is, but not sys$manager...) Jan-Eirk. JF Mezei wrote: > Alpha VMS 8.3: (also behaves the same on VAX VMS 7.3) > > $ show def > TCPIP$TFTP_ROOT:[SWITCH1] > > $ cd sys$tzdir: > > $ show def > SYS$TZDIR:[SWITCH1] > = SYS$COMMON:[SYS$ZONEINFO.USER] > = SYS$COMMON:[SYS$ZONEINFO.SYSTEM] > > $ show log sys$tzdir/full > "SYS$TZDIR" [exec] = "SYS$SYSROOT:[SYS$ZONEINFO.USER]" > (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) > = "SYS$SYSROOT:[SYS$ZONEINFO.SYSTEM]" > > $ cd sys$manager > $ show def > SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR] > = SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR] > = SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR] > $ > > > Can anyone explain why the original directory "SWITCH1" remains after I > have changed to SYS$TZDIR ? Shouldn't behave just like SYS$MANAGER ? > > consider the following: > > $ cd sys$tzdir: > $ show def > SYS$TZDIR:[SYSMGR] > = SYS$COMMON:[SYS$ZONEINFO.USER] > = SYS$COMMON:[SYS$ZONEINFO.SYSTEM] > > $ dir *.dir > > Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYS$ZONEINFO.USER] > SOURCES.DIR;1 > Total of 1 file. > > Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYS$ZONEINFO.SYSTEM] > AFRICA.DIR;1 AMERICA.DIR;1 ANTARCTICA.DIR;1 ARCTIC.DIR;1 > ASIA.DIR;1 ATLANTIC.DIR;1 AUSTRALIA.DIR;1 BRAZIL.DIR;1 > CANADA.DIR;1 CHILE.DIR;1 ETC.DIR;1 EUROPE.DIR;1 > INDIAN.DIR;1 MEXICO.DIR;1 MIDEAST.DIR;1 PACIFIC.DIR;1 > SOURCES.DIR;1 US.DIR;1 > Total of 18 files. > > $ dir [.antarctica] > %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR.ANTARCTICA]*.*;* as > input > -RMS-E-DNF, directory not found > -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file > > Looks to me like a big bug. A DIRECTORY command works as expected and > ignores the [SYSMGR] that remains from the previous default directory, > but trying to set def to a subdirectory fails because it then uses the > [SYSMGR] and discards the real current location. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2007 15:07:41 -0800 From: "AEF" Subject: Re: Weird default directory behaviour Message-ID: <1173308861.232828.205690@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com> On Mar 7, 4:36 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > Alpha VMS 8.3: (also behaves the same on VAX VMS 7.3) > > $ show def > TCPIP$TFTP_ROOT:[SWITCH1] > > $ cd sys$tzdir: > > $ show def > SYS$TZDIR:[SWITCH1] > = SYS$COMMON:[SYS$ZONEINFO.USER] > = SYS$COMMON:[SYS$ZONEINFO.SYSTEM] > > $ show log sys$tzdir/full > "SYS$TZDIR" [exec] = "SYS$SYSROOT:[SYS$ZONEINFO.USER]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) > = "SYS$SYSROOT:[SYS$ZONEINFO.SYSTEM]" > > $ cd sys$manager > $ show def > SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR] > = SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR] > = SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR] > $ > > Can anyone explain why the original directory "SWITCH1" remains after I have > changed to SYS$TZDIR ? Shouldn't behave just like SYS$MANAGER ? Yes. No. Oh, you want the explanation! OK. SYS$TZDIR is a search list of two defaults (a default being a device and a directory together). SYS$MANAGER, OTOH, is a device and a directory with the device being a search list. So SYS$MANAGER itself is not a search list. This makes all the difference in the world. So in the first case, SYS$DISK is set to (DEFINE-ed to be) dir1, dir2. In the case of SYS$MANAGER, SYS$DISK is defined to be SYS$SYSROOT: whilst the "default directory" is set to [SYSMGR]. The second and third instances of [SYSMGR] in the SHOW DEFAULT output are a direct consequence of the default directory being [SYSMGR]. That's how search lists work. That's normal. It's always been this way AFAIK, going back to at least V4 or V5. > > consider the following: > > $ cd sys$tzdir: > $ show def > SYS$TZDIR:[SYSMGR] > = SYS$COMMON:[SYS$ZONEINFO.USER] > = SYS$COMMON:[SYS$ZONEINFO.SYSTEM] > > $ dir *.dir > > Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYS$ZONEINFO.USER] > SOURCES.DIR;1 > Total of 1 file. > > Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYS$ZONEINFO.SYSTEM] > AFRICA.DIR;1 AMERICA.DIR;1 ANTARCTICA.DIR;1 ARCTIC.DIR;1 > ASIA.DIR;1 ATLANTIC.DIR;1 AUSTRALIA.DIR;1 BRAZIL.DIR;1 > CANADA.DIR;1 CHILE.DIR;1 ETC.DIR;1 EUROPE.DIR;1 > INDIAN.DIR;1 MEXICO.DIR;1 MIDEAST.DIR;1 PACIFIC.DIR;1 > SOURCES.DIR;1 US.DIR;1 > Total of 18 files. > > $ dir [.antarctica] > %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR.ANTARCTICA]*.*;* as input > -RMS-E-DNF, directory not found > -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file > > Looks to me like a big bug. A DIRECTORY command works as expected and ignores > the [SYSMGR] that remains from the previous default directory, but trying to set > def to a subdirectory fails because it then uses the [SYSMGR] and discards the > real current location. This is just how search lists work. In the *.dir case you didn't specify a directory, so DIR first goes to SYS$DISK. Since it contains directories, it uses those. When you specified DIR [.ANTARCTICA], you explicitly specified a directory, so that overrode the directory in SYS $DISK. Try the same thing but instead of DIR *.DIR run DIR []*.DIR and you will see that the two are different because [] means the default directory which is [SYSMGR]. That's just how search lists work: If your file-spec doesn't include brackets, the directory comes from SYS$DISK. If your file spec *does* include brackets, the directory comes from the "default directory" which is given in the first line of the output from SHOW DEFAULT. BTW, this is actually explained in the examples for SET DEFAULT and SHOW DEFAULT, so it's even documented! AEF ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2007 19:29:12 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com Subject: Re: Wierd MySQL 4.1.14 error on VMS Message-ID: issinoho wrote: > wrote in message > news:eshidk115rj@enews2.newsguy.com... > > For some reason MySQL is no longer starting automatically on my system. > > I've managed to figure out that MYSQL_ROOT:[VMS]mysql_startup.com does > > nothing, but if the stars are right, > > MYSQL_ROOT:[VMS.MYSQL]start_mysqld.com > > will start it up. If that doesn't work, it seems like I can start it > > using > > MYSQL_ROOT:[VMS.MYSQL]run_mysqld.com, then shut it down (using the > > shutdown > > 3 times rather than 2), and then I can run > > MYSQL_ROOT:[VMS.MYSQL]start_mysqld.com > > > > Has anyone seen anything like this? > > > > Zane > > > > > This will usually end up being down to something in your sylogin.com that is > blowing up the login sequence for the MySQL batch job. Try putting an exit > at the top of your sylogin.com and retrying. I've so far managed to narrow this down to a problem submitting submitting start_mysqld.com to SYS$BATCH to allow running it as the user MYSQL_SERVER. Zane ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2007 22:37:44 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com Subject: Re: Wierd MySQL 4.1.14 error on VMS Message-ID: healyzh@aracnet.com wrote: > issinoho wrote: > > This will usually end up being down to something in your sylogin.com > > that is blowing up the login sequence for the MySQL batch job. Try > > putting an exit at the top of your sylogin.com and retrying. > I've so far managed to narrow this down to a problem submitting submitting > start_mysqld.com to SYS$BATCH to allow running it as the user MYSQL_SERVER. I should add that adding the EXIT at the top of my SYLOGIN.COM file doesn't do any good. I seem to be having some sort of problem with privileges. 527 start_mysqld MYSQL_SERVER Retained on error %RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation -SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object protection violation Submitted 7-MAR-2007 07:02:27.47 /KEEP /NOPRINT /PRIORITY=100 File: _$1$DKC0:[VMS$COMMON.MYSQL.VMS.MYSQL]start_mysqld.com;11 Completed 7-MAR-2007 07:02:27.58 on queue SYS$BATCH Zane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 16:58:57 -0700 From: - Subject: Re: Wierd MySQL 4.1.14 error on VMS Message-ID: healyzh@aracnet.com wrote: > healyzh@aracnet.com wrote: >> issinoho wrote: > >>> This will usually end up being down to something in your sylogin.com >>> that is blowing up the login sequence for the MySQL batch job. Try >>> putting an exit at the top of your sylogin.com and retrying. > >> I've so far managed to narrow this down to a problem submitting submitting >> start_mysqld.com to SYS$BATCH to allow running it as the user MYSQL_SERVER. > > I should add that adding the EXIT at the top of my SYLOGIN.COM file doesn't > do any good. I seem to be having some sort of problem with privileges. > > 527 start_mysqld MYSQL_SERVER Retained on error > %RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation > -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation > -SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object protection > violation > Submitted 7-MAR-2007 07:02:27.47 /KEEP /NOPRINT /PRIORITY=100 > File: _$1$DKC0:[VMS$COMMON.MYSQL.VMS.MYSQL]start_mysqld.com;11 > Completed 7-MAR-2007 07:02:27.58 on queue SYS$BATCH > > Zane > > create a script that enables command echo & submit it as the mysql server. Also, check the authorization entry to see what script is run during the login process. Make sure you can run that script as the mysql server. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.133 ************************