INFO-VAX Thu, 04 Jan 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 8 Contents: Re: %APB-F-NOIOVEC Re: DECNet over IP pointers Re: DECNet over IP pointers Re: DECNet over IP pointers Re: DECNet over IP pointers SWS 2.1.1 questions TLZ06 cleaning cycle Re: TLZ06 cleaning cycle Re: TLZ06 cleaning cycle Re: US Military bans HTML in emails Re: What method(s) to connect to VMS from Mac OS X through X11? Why are some updates skipped during 7.3.2 UPDATE patch? Re: Why are some updates skipped during 7.3.2 UPDATE patch? Re: Why are some updates skipped during 7.3.2 UPDATE patch? Re: ZX6000 server with hung system firmware ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Jan 2007 07:02:18 -0800 From: "mb301@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: %APB-F-NOIOVEC Message-ID: <1167922938.444003.94080@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com> Camiel wrote: > I'm still trying to emulate an AlphaServer, and I've got the SRM > console up and running. I can issue various show commands, set > environment variables, buildfru, etc... However, when I try booting, I > get an error message "%APB-F-NOIOVEC Failed to create IOVEC". I'm > trying to figure out the cause of this, but it would really help if I > know what this message means, and what could cause it on a real > AlphaServer. Has anyone ever seen this message? I can't find it with > HELP/MESSAGE, nor with Google. > > Camiel. What emulator are you using? have you tried getting some more information by doing a conversational bootstrap Flags? 0 0,1 CONV Conversational bootstrap 1 0,2 DEBUG Load SYSTEM_DEBUG.EXE (XDELTA) 2 0,4 INIBPT Stop at initial system breakpoints 16 0,10000 DBG_INIT Enable verbose bootstrap messages 17 0,20000 USER_MSGS Enable additional bootstrap messages <<< a good start! 17 0,200000 ? Request for a bootstrap from USB keydisk >>> boot x,20000 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 23:31:29 -0800 From: DeanW Subject: Re: DECNet over IP pointers Message-ID: <3f119ada0701032331v2ff9997aga02794397a13270c@mail.gmail.com> On 1/3/07, John Santos wrote: > DECnet-plus-over-IP requires the Domain name service, Ah- that helped. Got it fixed. It doesn't have to be running bind, or even have valid external name servers- but TCPIP name service has to be available. That took a reboot. (I might have gotten away with just shutting down & restarting TCPIP, but this machine is ~1200 miles away...) > using the IP address instead of the node name *might* work.) It seems to, if there's a name service running. It will *not* if there isn't. Thanks for the clue! ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jan 2007 01:18:51 -0800 From: "Ian Miller" Subject: Re: DECNet over IP pointers Message-ID: <1167902331.112114.137970@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com> I find CDI TRACE handy for this sort of thing. Do MCR CDI$TRACE then in another session do the SET HOST and you will see how its translating the name. It has to translate the name to an IP address for DECnet/IP to work. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jan 2007 02:50:18 -0800 From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: DECNet over IP pointers Message-ID: <1167907818.388299.258800@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Couple of things I don't see mentioned so far... MC NCL FLUSH SESSION CONTROL NAMING CACHE ENTRY "*" to clear out the caches of DECnet node names on the DECnet plus side. It was a pain until I found that because nodes would cache details of other nodes - even across reboots. $ SET HOST IP$ipaddress e.g. $ SET HOST IP$10.1.2.3 or DIR IP$10.5.4.3:: The IP$ipaddress is available as a nodename for another node that is also running DECnet over IP. It can help to verify whether it's a naming issue ("I don't have that name so I can't get there") or a transport issue. Steve DeanW wrote: > On 1/3/07, John Santos wrote: > > DECnet-plus-over-IP requires the Domain name service, > > Ah- that helped. Got it fixed. It doesn't have to be running bind, or > even have valid external name servers- but TCPIP name service has to > be available. That took a reboot. (I might have gotten away with just > shutting down & restarting TCPIP, but this machine is ~1200 miles > away...) > > > using the IP address instead of the node name *might* work.) > > It seems to, if there's a name service running. It will *not* if there isn't. > > Thanks for the clue! ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jan 2007 04:34:33 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com Subject: Re: DECNet over IP pointers Message-ID: <1167914073.213698.258390@6g2000cwy.googlegroups.com> DeanW wrote: > I'm having a little DECNet over IP issue that has me baffled. ever try TCPware phase IV over IP ... a lot simpler to configure and maintain ... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 14:36:18 GMT From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing) Subject: SWS 2.1.1 questions Message-ID: <00A61353.1ABC77DA@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> DS20E SWS 2.1.1 with update VMS 8.3 with Update 1 We upgraded from CSWS 1.3. I manually integrated stuff from the sample CONF file with our existing CONF file. Most things work. (It was interesting that userdirs broke on the disk where the very top level directory had W:E access and started working again with W:RE.) Some third-party applications (Listserv 14.5's web interface is a big challenging one) no longer work well. WA.EXE displays the first screen, but if you try to do anything on Firefox, you get to see a whole HTTP session (headers and all, and the raw HTML) rather than the rendered page. On IE, this sort of works, until WA tries to set a cookie; then you get to see the cookie-setting code and it doesn't actually work. I presume something funny is going on with carriage returns and that Firefox is more standards-compliant than IE and, getting a malformed header, assumes it's getting a plain text stream. What can I do about this? Is there some configuration thing that will fix it, or do I just need to hassle the vendors to fix their code? Thanks, -- Alan ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jan 2007 08:12:20 -0800 From: "tadamsmar" Subject: TLZ06 cleaning cycle Message-ID: <1167927140.556552.161290@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> How often should a TLZ06 be cleaned? How may 90 M tapes can you fill before you need to clean? I tend to clean when I do an image backup, but that might be too often, only a couple of 90 M tapes are filled between image backups on some of my systems. I hear that cleaning tends to wear out the heads. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jan 2007 11:36:57 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: TLZ06 cleaning cycle Message-ID: In article <1167927140.556552.161290@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>, "tadamsmar" writes: > How often should a TLZ06 be cleaned? > > How may 90 M tapes can you fill before you need to clean? > > I tend to clean when I do an image backup, but that might be too often, > only a couple of > 90 M tapes are filled between image backups on some of my systems. > > I hear that cleaning tends to wear out the heads. > I clean all my 4mm only when BACKUP fails due to parity errors. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jan 2007 10:03:29 -0800 From: "Doug Phillips" Subject: Re: TLZ06 cleaning cycle Message-ID: <1167933809.545427.99580@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> tadamsmar wrote: > How often should a TLZ06 be cleaned? > > How may 90 M tapes can you fill before you need to clean? > > I tend to clean when I do an image backup, but that might be too often, > only a couple of > 90 M tapes are filled between image backups on some of my systems. > > I hear that cleaning tends to wear out the heads. DEC recommended running a cleaning tape every 2 weeks or after every 50 hours of usage, and the cleaning tapes I've used are good for only 25 cleanings. Cleaning too often does wear out the heads and this usually manifests itself first by showing positioning errors, maybe along with parity errors that don't go away when you clean, then complete failure to mount. All TLZ06's available today are refurbs --- and you could go through a couple before finding a reliable one, even if the seller has tested them thoroughly. You'd probably want a newer drive, i.e. TLZ10, for a replacement. Parity errors seem to be a good indicator of dirty heads, but by then (if you're running unattended) you've potentially lost a backup. I've found 50 hours to be too close to max, and usually clean after 30 to 40 hours. That works out to monthly for me. Cleaning every 2 weeks could be way too often if usage is light, unless you have a "dirty" environment. If you log your usage, it shouldn't be hard to determine your cleaning cycle. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jan 2007 08:00:29 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: US Military bans HTML in emails Message-ID: In article , Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: > In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > >> Right. Just keep changing that digit. You get ten of them to cycle >> through, that's enough to get past most password histories. Lots of >> people know that one. AIX has (had?) an algorithm to prevent this, >> but IIRC it used a reversable encryption which meant that it shipped >> with the decrypt algorithm built in somewhere (no, thanks). > > At the VMS password policy callout, without reversibly encrypting the > password, the code has access to both the old password and the proposed > new password. At that point arbitrary rules can be imposed such as that > more than one character change, that the changing characters not all be > numbers, that the characters being replaced be more than one value away > from their replacements, that all characters must change (from characters > previously in that position), etc. Hm, I didn't realise the old password was passed in (it's been a long time since I wrote my password filter using the callout). I think I'll have to add that to my filter. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jan 2007 07:52:44 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: What method(s) to connect to VMS from Mac OS X through X11? Message-ID: In article <1167839953.107057.69930@n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" writes: > Okay all you Mac OS X and VMS fans. What is your way of connecting the > two using X11 on OS X to DECWindows/CDE on VMS? Do you use XDM or > fix up a set of scripts/DCL procedures or something else? > Mac X11 on the Mac and any one of a couple Mac SSH clients. After I ssh to the VMS machine I just "mcr vue$master". I do the same from PC's using cygwin's X server and PuTTY's ssh. Once vue$master is running on the X server I can do anything I want on the VMS X client. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jan 2007 07:45:51 -0800 From: "tadamsmar" Subject: Why are some updates skipped during 7.3.2 UPDATE patch? Message-ID: <1167925551.438055.210170@i15g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> I got these messages during running the UPDATE patch version 9: %PCSI-I-OBJSKP, file [SYSEXE]DDTM$XG_SERVER.EXE pertains to an option that was not selected; file update skipped %PCSI-I-OBJSKP, file [SYSEXE]TPSERV.EXE pertains to an option that was not selected; file update skipped %PCSI-I-OBJSKP, file [SYSHLP.EXAMPLES]DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM pertains to an option that was not selected; file update skipped %PCSI-I-OBJSKP, file [SYSLIB]SYS$LIB_C.TLB pertains to an option that was not selected; file update skipped %PCSI-I-OBJSKP, file [SYSLIB]SYS$STARLET_C.TLB pertains to an option that was not selected; file update skipped I can't find any command options that these messages could refer to. The DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM one is particularly confusing. I am putting on this patch to get the updeated DST processing. What options are they referring to? Here is the command I used: $PROD INSTALL/OPTI=NOCONF/save VMS732_UPDATE It did not ask any questions about install options. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jan 2007 10:37:09 -0800 From: "tadamsmar" Subject: Re: Why are some updates skipped during 7.3.2 UPDATE patch? Message-ID: <1167935829.332568.275030@i15g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Paul Sture wrote: > In article <1167925551.438055.210170@i15g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, > "tadamsmar" wrote: > > > Here is the command I used: > > > > $PROD INSTALL/OPTI=NOCONF/save VMS732_UPDATE > > > > It did not ask any questions about install options. > > What is the /OPTI=NOCONF doing? > Boy...that's a good question. It was from an old command file. I thought it got rid of some confirmation prompts, but that is wrong for the current PRODUCT command at least. I guess it does nothing and I just get default current configuation. The only interpretation that makes sense is that it would reverse an earlier /CONF qualifier, but I don't have one. > -- > Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jan 2007 10:51:25 -0800 From: "tadamsmar" Subject: Re: Why are some updates skipped during 7.3.2 UPDATE patch? Message-ID: <1167936685.278263.130030@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Paul Sture wrote: > In article <1167925551.438055.210170@i15g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, > "tadamsmar" wrote: > > > Here is the command I used: > > > > $PROD INSTALL/OPTI=NOCONF/save VMS732_UPDATE > > > > It did not ask any questions about install options. > > What is the /OPTI=NOCONF doing? Eliminates some confirmation prompts. I don't think it defines any options > > -- > Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 08:38:40 -0800 From: "Malcolm Dunnett" Subject: Re: ZX6000 server with hung system firmware Message-ID: <459d2cd6$1@flight> "Robert Deininger" wrote in message news:rdeininger-0401070043260001@dialup- >>tried both power modules on the single CPU, no difference. I thought of >>the >>"both CPUs dead" but I agree that seems less likely than bad firmware. If >>I go into command mode and do a DF command it finds all the components. >>I'm >>thinking it shouldn't call out the CPU if it was bad or if its power >>module >>was no good. > > No, DF will find components even if they are mostly dead. I moved the two CPUs and their power modules into an RX2600 and they work just fine there. I think I've exhausted all possibilities other than the system board :-( ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.008 ************************